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@Code Monkey. re. Correlation
Well I was going to say that if they are willing to pay Apple's prices..........but you kind of beat to it.
@akr re. "Oh please"
Let me see if I understand this, you bought not 1, not 2 but 3 Android phones that you say were total crap. I regret that I am almost forced to paraphrase an expression that our compadres across the pond are fond of. Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, THREE times makes you a....D'''head - if they actually were that bad....hmmm? I must obviously tell my good lady to throw her "rubbish" Desire in the bin now that I have read your words of wisdom.
Some people never learn.
Milliband did not have any choice about giving that chump a "job" in the current shadow cabinet because the places in the shadow cabinet are elected by the PLP. Burnham is an unreconstructed Blairite (although he would almost certainly deny it) and was undoubtedly boosted by those members of the PLP who have not quite worked out that times have changed - or, in teeth of the clear evidence, that the whole scheme was a political road accident.
@mhoulden. I agree entirely.
Indeed I cannot understand why or how something that is a non-physical variant of various marketing techniques that have been used for years can possibly be patentable. I realise that US patent law is different from the EU in general and the UK in particular but I cannot believe that it possible that the US patent office would accept this as a patent application? I mean, seriously?
@Ian Emery. You are quite right of course.
However let us be fair and punish according to the gravity of the respective offenses. Two dozen at the mainmast for endangering other passengers lives. For the truly heinous offense however of using an Apple product I fear that there can be no mercy. The yardarm awaits.
It would have been even better had the aforementioned pensioner had.......
............mugged him for his iPhone - how cool would that have been at school? Talk about street cred - or errrr perhaps not!
@56young: I could not agree more mate!
I note that some clearly feel that the kid's "freedom" was being imposed on or that they disagree with the rules about electronic equipment on planes. Well my view on this is that at the age of fifteen you cannot be held _fully_ accountable under the law for your actions. Unless our young "freedom lover" is willing to accept adult responsibility under the law for his actions OR his parents are willing to accept that responsibility (including accepting jail time themselves if he commits an offense that would be mean jail if an adult committed it) then he is NOT entitled to do as he likes. He is not in a position to take the view that the rules about electronic equipment are bollocks AND accept the legal consequences thereafter - he is a child. In fact he appears to be spectacularly spoil t child (high end smart phone at fifteen my arse!).
Why does my hand start to itch when I read about.........
...............a FIFTEEN year old with a fucking iPhone (how has some nauseating little teeny got his revolting mitts on a high-end smart phone?) and the fact that he ignored the cabin crew's instructions? Why am I really sorry that our pensioner did not give him a real smack where it would do most good? Furthermore why do I want to give that NASTY little toe-rag's parents a bloody good kicking?
Excuse me, I think I had better lie down for a while - in a darkened room with a wet towel on my forehead.
@The elephant in the room. I realise that your post was intended to be satire but......
........my problem is that I found by self agreeing with it. Can young people be sentenced to eat their iPads if they play them too loudly?
Even more disgusted of iBridge
@Super Tim. Re "give away"
"I just object to the ludicrous price for what is a big ipod."
I agree. That indeed is my main beef with the iPad, the price is a liberty. I note also that we see certain enthusiasts (note how polite I am - haven't said a word about f'* b''s. -:)) defend the Apple-premium by referring to what Samsung are asking for the Tab. Of course Samsung are trying to get the same sort of money for the Tab as Apple are getting for the Pad as long as they think that they can get away with it, any manufacturer would if they thought they could. That does not however IMO mean that it is remotely sensible spending that kind of dosh on such products this early in the development of the pad-segment. There are several medium-high to high-end manufacturers lining up to release kit in 2011 with specs that will make both the Pad and the Tab look ordinary with regard to functionality etc and with so many heavy hitters in the market the prices will begin to fall - big time. Anybody who has bought either of those two products in 2010 has paid a very high price for being an "early adopter". I am looking at getting a tablet of some kind towards the back end of the coming year and I confidently predict that a large choice of kit *at least* as good as the two aforementioned or better will be available and at lower prices.
I agree with every golden word.
Got a third gen Kindle myself and I have to say that it is within in its price point and use context an absolutely brilliant piece of kit. I am not at all surprised that they are "storming off the shelves" at Amazon. I will probably be in the market for a tablet towards the back half of next year, but that will be for other reasons. Kindle et al have their place.
That of course implies that Apple.....
....were so stupid in (according to this hypothesis) adopting the external antenna that they deserve to be sued and lose. Somehow I doubt that St SJ's cognoscenti would agree with this view!
As far as I am aware.......
....Nokia's reputation does not include "patent trolling" as we normally understand the expression.. Given their hinterland from the earliest days of the smartphone era (somewhat before Apple even dreamed the dream about iPhone) I suspect that Nokia would only be willing to go to the mattresses in this situation if they genuinely believed that they had a good case.
I really think that in order to be "mislead" by those ads........
........you would have you would have to be so brain dead that you would have difficulty walking and breathing at the same time, let alone have any idea what a pc was. I say that without taking any position concerning the quality of the advertisements per se. The Famous Eight remind very strongly of those supporters (two men and dog) the late Mary Whitehouse had who always managed to fined _something_ offensive to complain about even if it was the weather forecast.
Better make sure that it........
. is a phone that actually has top class call quality and does not have a tendency to drop calls if the coverage is anything less than first class. I wonder which phone that might eliminate from any short list?
Hang on a moment....
"But Microsoft is not helping its own chances. Windows Phone 7 is only available on 12 handsets running on two carriers - AT&T and T-Mobile"
Firstly MS is the _os_ manufacturer _not_ a mob producer. It is for the likes of HC, LG, Samsung etc to decide how many they are going to make for WP7 and how frequently - and I do not think that 12 different high-medium to high end handsets in the last six weeks or so since launch can be described as amazingly slow. Secondly this is very US-centric and whilst America is without question a crucial market it is not the be all and end all of the smartphone market.
@Lost all faith You are quite right.....
................I wrote my post a little too fast being on my way out the door at the time. What I meant was the protection of intellectual property rights in general - which I am sure you would agree covers both copyright _and_ patent rights.
.....in the US is patently broken. I am not suggesting BTW that it is perfect in Europe (that would be a ridiculous assertion) however, the American system in this area appears to fail to protect genuine intellectual property rights whilst at the same time provides a huge number of opportunities for legalised bullying and trolling that contribute nothing to the US economy. On the contrary the system as practiced "over there" is actually damaging to America's interests as a nation. This kind of vexatious litigation ought to be thrown out by the judge of the first instance as a matter of course with full legal costs being awarded to the defendant, only then would Trollcorp think again.
I admit that I am puzzled........
...........as to why any producer is releasing high end phones without either a _lot_ of inbuilt storage or the capacity to utilise SD cards (or both, let us be greedy!). It seems especially puzzling in this case since Android (I believe I right in saying this) has had the capacity to run apps from SD storage since 2.2 was released. Given how many people seem to love installing as many apps as they can get their mitts on, one has to wonder.......?
"This provides full access to the user’s account and allows malware to be persisted on the client, something which was not possible from low integrity whilst in Protected Mode.”
"Persisted on the client"? I realise that the development of terminology often involves giving words a meaning that they did not have before, but that is downright UGLY. Far be it from me to bang on about the language of Milton and Shakespeare but there are all the same limits to how much abuse our mother tongue can take!
Ah, now that's a thought......
"And unlike the garbage software industry most of the porn we have is made in the usa keeping the jobs here."
.............that would surely imply that the desire to watch someone else having sex with your wife could be classified as outsourcing.
Not to worry........
"Perhaps the topper is the 2002 tale of a scientist who burned his penis after placing his notebook on his lap for an hour."
......If he did not notice it burning for an hour then then he did not have much use for it in the first place.
Excuse me, must go, my eyes are watering.
Alternatvely we could....
................boil every single spammer in oil - especially the viagra/penis extension bandits. That would deal with at least 90 %-age points of that overload!
Funny, I just heard the slamming sound of a................
.............stable door being hurridly bolted.
Just discovered the answer to my own question.
Anandtech have just published a short review that includes read/write speed tests highly relevant to this drives use as an _external_ storage drive.
My thanks to El Reg for a very timely heads up on this piece of kit - think I know what I will be asking Santa for now!
"I really don't understand the handset makers, their job is to produce hardware for the software. "
I think that a big part of the problem is that they are very keen on keeping the cellcos happy. Result is that the producers first naff around with the basic os build, then the cellcos naff around with it. Thereafter, depending on which cellco is far enough in bed with the given producer, you _may_ as a contract customer get your upgrade/update. If of course, like me, you have been silly enough to buy sim-free you will slowly discover that hell will be gradually freezing over before the given producer releases to you. If one then takes into account that the producers would _far_ rather you bought a new phone in order to get the next version of the os we can see why this process can end up really pissing customers off. I have a wildfire with 2.1 - I am very pleased with it but when it comes to upgrading to a high end phone next year......? Am I really going to spend four hundred pounds or so to be treated like that? I think not. Not because I am unhappy with the phones or the os per se, I am however _very_ unhappy with the way the "food chain" is organised.
@Henry Wertz 1
"Windows Phone 7 *is* a version 1.0 product; instead of modernizing Windows Mobile 6, they essentially gutted it entirely and started over, both with the kernel and the interface. I don't know if WinMo *could* have been reasonably modernized, but the fact of the matter is they didn't."
I would guess myself that they probably tried to learn from Nokia's mistake in trying to overhaul an os not really designed as a smartmob os (in the sense that we would now recognise such an os) at the outset. The hardware that is available now and the expectations of the customer (in relation to, for example, touch screen performance or os "navigation" etc) probably convinced MS that the back to the drawing board approach was the way forward.
Very interesting and....
...thought provoking article. Not sure I agree that MS is doing more than merely stroking the cellcos. The company is well aware that even owners of Android kit (like myself, Wildfire and very pleased with it as far as the os and hardware - for the price - are concerned) who are very pleased with their mob are piss tired of the very long delays in upgrading. Especially if you paid full price buying sim-free - then you really are at the back of the queue. I think MS will want to avoid that marketing downside if they in any way can.
@AC "Arctic Fox, my apologies":
I fear that we are definitely _not_ talking about the same thing at all. I was discussing as objectively as I could what the likely prospects were (on the basis of what we currently know from the market) for WP7. I pointed out that we in fact (IMO) have very limited reliable information and it is currently very difficult to make any reliable estimates. I repeat my question from my previous posting - what the devil does that have to do with MS' corporate culture? We are talking (well _I_ was even if _you_ clearly are not) about ANALYSIS of the current market performance of WP7. What on earth do you mean in _that_ context by saying "I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt."? I assume that you do not mean by that you reserve the right to make statements about an os' sales figures that you _know_ (or suspect) are cobblers simply because you do not like the company concerned? With regard to some of your other points in your posting I do not actually disagree with you, although I think it is blindly bloody obvious that (as you note yourself) they apply to many more large companies than merely MS. The main problem in fact with your posting(s) is that, given that the topic was the prospects for WP7 in the market, they are largely as far off topic as it is possible to get. What you may or may not feel about MS has _bugger all_ to do with how WP7 is going to fare commercially.
I agree that the reading speed is significantly slower than a typical internal drive but the sequential writing speed is in fact somewhat faster than my Intel 80 Gb X25 (by most of 30 Mb/sec). As an external storage drive the read/write performance balance is pretty reasonable - as long as the price is of course!
I have a question though, might be a bit dimwitted but here we go. TRIM-support, does it have it and how does the mob support it? Anyone know?
"In the US sales were reportedly at around 40,000 over a weekend or something like that. In the European market - supposedly they were around 200,000+ which isnt too shabby."
Indeed, the contrast is in fact instructive. In the American market iPhone is unquestionably the dominant force - that is obvious. In the European market this is much less the case and it may very well be that WP7 will have a _relatively_ easier launch period in Europe than it is having in the US. I have my self talked to a number of friends and acquaintances within the retail trade in Europe and they are saying that whilst WP7 is in no way setting the world on fire the interest and sales they are experiencing in no way supports the "WP7 as disaster" story that so many are trying to sell us. I honestly do not _begin_ to be able to predict/guess what this os is going to end up doing in the market place - I just wish certain people were willing to discuss the issues instead of beginning to howl and scream the moment MS' name is mentioned.
@AC Pardon, do you actually read my post?
Who is talking about about being "nice" to MS? All I was talking about was trying a little bit of analysis and logic instead of the howling we so often read. What has an attempt to estimate _realistically_ what WP7's current situation is got to do with the MS' past monopolistic practices? Some of you people are utterly incapable of discussing anything concerning that company without beginning to churn out a series of slogans based on your attitude to the company. What the hell has that got to do with whether or not WP7 is going to work in the marketplace or not? Do us all a favour and grow up.
I do not know whether or not anyone is indulging in "astroturfing" but.........
.........it is very clear from the downvote pattern that someone is most definitely pursuing an agenda! Other than that I can only agree with El Reg and some of those who have posted on this thread. It is way too early to make any worthwhile predictions concerning the fate of WP7. What we do know is that it has been launched on some good pieces of kit and will get a great deal of what folks have said is missing from the release version of the OS when "SP1" comes down the pipe in Q1 next year. Then, and only then (when we have some reliable actual _sales-figures_ as well) will we begin to get a reliable indication regarding the future for WP7. At the moment the discussion appears to be largely based on hot air and the desire of some people that WP7 should fail, _regardless_ of any merits the os might or might not have - that at least is very obvious from threads like this. Oh, and before certain people start to howl and downvote, I am no MS fanboi. In addition to Windows we have both Ubuntu and Android (depending on what kit is involved) at home - horses for courses is our motto when it comes to the old homestead's IT requirements. Furthermore, when I upgrade my personal "coms" next year I will first and foremost be evaluating what Nokia can offer with Meego before I look further down the list. I find quite frankly the high-pitched whine of axe-grinding in this type of thread _very_ tedious.
I re-read my opening line and can see that is was ambiguous. What I meant was that for the 10" it would for me be an interesting choice between Android (as my phone is) and Win 7 (as our home systems are) dependent upon to what degree the touch screen on the Win 7 version was reasonable and whether the presence of a physical keyboard was a genuine plus contra the version equipped with the very latest Android. I am definitely going to have to have a good look at both - first time that I have been really interested in a "fondle slab"! Does it have USB ports and SSD expansion BTW?
Sounds interesting whether wer're talking.....
...............Android or Win 7 - though that depends on whether or not Acer has done/can do something to improve Win 7 at UI level in the context of touch screens - although if its coming with a slide-out (?) physical keyboard Acer may be coppering their bets! Great that they have WiFi. I suspect that for those for whom the touch screen is alpha and omega of such a choice then the 10" with Honeycomb should be a real winner. One question - USB? Oh and of course, how soon will we find out how much!
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