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The Democrats and Keynes Mr Otellini?
Whose version of capitalism brought us the two biggest economic disasters in the history of capitalism, roughly about eighty years apart? The second of which blew in about two years ago? I'll give you a little clue, Keynesianism had nothing to do with it. J M Keynes' analysis arose as a _response_ to the first time the bastards succeeding in frakking us all over on a global scale and his thoughts were/are completely rejected by their politcal/economic greatgrandchildren who frakked us all over on a global scale for the _second_ time recently.
I say this without any hostility chr0m4t1c, but I do not think that anyone on this thread has been saying that other companies would not do the same given the opportunity. I believe that the point here is that Apple have gone further, sooner in this area than other companies. The point being, I believe, that we have to stop the rot now if we can.
@Robocat with regard to "Hello sock puppet"
"I'm afraid that whether a representative of MS is the most credible source of information is exactly the point."
No it is not. Most intelligent people are capable of understanding the difference between the message and the messenger. Furthermore it is usually regarded as a sign of a lack of genuine ammunition when one descends to the level of such childish personal abuse as such appellations as "sock puppet". I suggest that you reconsider how you conduct yourself in debate. If you are capable of that degree of grownup thinking, which on the basis of that pathetic personal assault I very much doubt.
"Wow...Microsoft attacking their competitors with FUD. They must really be scared of Apple especially now that Windows Phone 7 is about to go head-to-head with iPhone 4."
@So long as you are an idot
"/smiles as he surfs the Internet on his Linux box recognizing I am the biggest threat to my computer"
Now that is an attitude I agree with 100%! Regardless of ones choice of OS it is the user him/herself who is the greatest threat to their pc. Anyone can make a mistake but if one behaves like a plonker then one ends up........
The International what community?
"Either this is a deliberately clumsy distraction or conspiracy theorists everywhere really need to re-evaluate their beliefs about the abilities of the international intelligence community."
The phrase intelligence community is an oxymoron. Hardly amazing really given that they do seem to employ an awful lot of morons. There are any number of examples of the less than "George Smiley" level of these tossers' performance of their "duties". That they might be involved in a less than amazingly skillful attempt to smear somebody is scarcely surprising.
Are the marketin geniuses from you know who........
..........really calling this "iAds"? I must say that Steve Jobs really has an infectious sense of humour!
I would further recommend that you keep your fingers crossed that the percentage of computer users who use a Mac remains extremely low and thereby ensures that macs are of little interest to the bad guys. If macs actually became popular you would find yourself up to your hips in it. In fact I would also recommend that you write to Mr Jobs and beg him to put mac prices up even further thus ensuring your continued immunity. As long as macs remain an expensive tiny minority sport you will continue to be reasonably safe.
I suggest you actually read my post instead....
....of replying to what you choose to believe I meant. Nowhere did I say or imply that pupils today are so much smarter than you were when you left some 20 years ago. I simply tried to illustrate that these "evaluations" we have seen in this thread are VERY subjective. Indeed I get the impression (if I willfully choose to interpret your posting in that way) that you consider yourself LOADS smarter than pupils today. You might of course protest that you did not say that - I did not say that which you accused me of either, but it did not seem to stop you, hmmm?
@Or using your own logic
I was simply pointing out that much of this kind of comment is based on highly subjective evaluations and a good deal of the "grass wer greener when I wer a lad" kind thinking. That ought to have been reasonably obvious. That fact that this kind of criticism has occurred year in and year out for at least half a century really ought to give you some pause for thought. That which is sadly lacking in any debate of this kind is any attempt at objective analysis, it usually degenerates into the "granny`s body on the roof rack" urban myth.
The same old same
Like the first cuckoo in spring we hear every year the same old chorus about the A-level results. Particularly in maths. I can remember the same whinging by the "it was so much harder in my day"-brigade when I was about sixteen (and that is a long time ago!). The interesting thing about that is if it was/is true every year for the last half century or so that implies that if we extrapolate backwards in time that kids must have been doing masters degree level maths in the sixth form in the early sixties......hmm?
@AC "Yup. I meant to add.."
Yes, that is in fact my impression and despite the fact that I am no great fan of the company I am not an enemy either (despite what some might think!) I do not understand what the hell they are playing at. They have made a considerable contribution in many areas within the technology that so many of us that post here are interested in, it just does not make sense to me.
@I think you answered your own question
You may of course, regretably, be right. If that is the case then I have to say that the company, in the longer term, is on the road to nowhere. The take-home message should be "take care of the engineering, the marketing, AND your customers". The whole gemillah hangs together, you cannot do any of it properly in isolation. The whole is by definition greater than the sum of the parts that I refer to - all those parts have to be present for that synergy to work. One cannot do it by marketing alone and rely on your customers not knowing any better. The irony of this in my case is that I have a certain wholly genuine respect for Apple's hardware but the marketing really makes me cringe!
Up to a point
I would agree with the thesis that a significant proportion of Apple's consumers of "fun electronics" do have a tendency to think that way although I have to say that I do know plenty of serious people who use *mac* kit proffesionally and are very pleased with it without displaying the symtoms that we observe amongst those who really do deserve the appelation "fanbois". However, if it is the case that Apple are relying on the uncritical admiration of a significant proportion of those who buy what we may call their lifestyle electronics to avoid what by any standards is only sound common sense in tending to their customer base properly then I believe that they, sooner or later, may end up paying a significant price for that attitude. They indeed may start paying that price rather sooner than they expect - which is bloody stupid given that they should realise that their reputation with *all* their customers (not just the fashion/self-image obsessed element) is the bedrock of their business.
Paris because she doesn't work either if you hold her the wrong way.
I am puzzled
Why is it that a company that in many other ways is as good at marketing as Apple apparently does not understand that this type of behaviour is very damaging for their reputation. Just about every public relations consultent on the face of the planet would warn them that concealment and denial significantly increases the damage done to a company. Openess and ready rectification is the standard advice that you get from those who work with what we can call "reputation protection". And no, this is not an "I hate Apple" rant, I genuinely do not understand why one of the sharpest and cleverest marketing companies within consumer electronics does not, seemingly, understand these elementary issues.
All, and I mean all cold-calling advertising by phone, fax, snailmail or e-mail should be made a criminal offence. The sheer scale of the unsolicited advertising industry is now a major problem for society all over the world and cannot be said to have any form of upside whatsover. The large majority of it ranges from at least dodgy (usurious loan offers etc) through to a large amount of directly criminal behaviour.
Nor am I.
However, what does surprise me is that we apparently cannot do anything about the behaviour of the stores involved. How about a public service ad campaign after such a case and pillory the shops concerned. One could have some fun could one not? Film a Macy gift-card and queue voice-over, "Macy's gift-card, the gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving......."
On a more serious note we know that companies that get ripped off directly are often very unwilling to tell the police or to cooperate when the police contact them. If I as an ordinary citizen conceal knowledge of a criminal offence (even though I myself have neither comitted it or benefited from it) I have (under British law at any rate) broken the law and can be punished. Why cannot we do something similar to companies that hide fraud and the like because they wish to save face?
With regard to spamming, which..........
............country is the largest source of unsolicited e-mails on the face of the planet? I'll give you a clue, it is not an east european country or an asian country. It is the good old US of A whose legislators still refuse to pass any SERIOUS legislation against the spammers yet at the same time want to retain US control of the internet. When one considers that somewhere between 85 and 90 % of all e-mail traffic in world is spam it is a shame that the country that insists on retaining the power won't take the responsiblity of actually doing something *efffective* about it.
....I was very pleased to see that news. It is about time that shareholders REALLY understood that their interests and those of the senior management/directors in the company concerned are usually not the same and very often in direct conflict. We have often seen in recent years the managerati downright pillage companies to enrich themselves whilst conning the shareholders into accepting this by claiming that unless they permit it they will not get "star quality" directors/managers. It is about time that institutional and large private shareholders called the bluff of this gang of overpaid thieves. If THAT became the common attitude amongs shareholders, where would these "stars" get employed? They would still be *very* well paid in comparison to ordinary mortals, their days however of downright robbing the industry/company they are employed in would be numbered.
......the interesting thing with so many of these situations is that even though where the company concerned (whoever/whichever it may be) might be thought to have very good (and legally watertight) grounds to sack *without* compensation, they choose not to do so. I do not think that we have to be unduly cynical in wondering whether there is some kind of "gentleman's agreement" involved in these situations - the kind of "understanding" that we mere mortals would call a "thieves bargain".
I would agree that........
........it does very much depend on which phone you have and how you use it/set it up as well as if you have a "locked" phone. I would however point out that these issues are first and foremost connected to what the individual manufacturer has put "on top off" Android. Sony's UI is somewhat thirsty and I have heard others commenting Timescape and what they had to say was not exactly complimentary! Personally I use a Wildfire and have no trouble gettin about three days out of it.
With all respect what...........
.......people are talking about here are Android phones which are *not* currently locked into Vodaphone or whoever it might be. If you buy a phone with a contract then you will of course discover there are restrictions. The point is perhaps that even when you pay full price for an iPhone there are *still* such restrictions, hmm? Or have I misunderstood?
Indeed this might explain the recent survey which......
......claimed that certain customers of a certain company had more sex than other smartphone owners. We now understand that the question is "more sex with what"? What might we call it "autophone"?
The interesting thing is that I have not...........
........yet seen our Antipodean compadres comment this expression "to root ones phone". Is it because they believe that it is an activity confined to certain fanbois of a certain company who are "busy" defining "the love that durst not speak its name" and is therebye something no selfrespecting Aussie bloke would have anything to do with?
Thanks I appreciate it........
.......and further to your point about visitors I know of at least two companies (R n' D) who insist that any visitors switch off their phones and hand them over until they leave!
I think that one important point here is........
the Germans wish to prevent "others" evesdropping on some government employees. They are not "banning" these phones nor are they (in contrast to certain other nations) demanding the right to intercept communications that go via these phones on pain of shutting down the phone network concerned in the whole of Germany if the company concerned does not comply. They are simply ensuring, on the basis of what we see in this article, that security and confidentiality are protected within certain government institutions. Advising employees to be carefull about which phones they use and how they use them is common sense is it not? I know of many private companies that impose VERY strict limits on how "smart" the phones that their staff use are and the degree to which these phones are permitted to interact with company systems.
I suspect that El Reg and the rest of us will give it a rest when......
........Apple cut out the "born again" "happy clappy" marketing that most of the rest of us find crucifyingly embarassing and in fact gave rise to the appellation "jesusphone" and when they admit that they did not get it quiiiiiiiiiiiiite right with Judasphone 4. In other words when Apple stop bloody well begging for it we might consider stopping it .
Way to go
"You see, what you have to remember - or - you just don't know, is that the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were the vanguard of their generation."
Yeah - thats what some of those posting here very clearly do not have a clue about. Plus the fact of those bands influence on a good deal of the music which the "younger generation" rave about today. (The Stones included even though I was first and foremost a Beatles fan!). Bands like that were a massive game changer in an era when the massproduction of recorded popular music really took off. The sixties was the decade when a "record player" in every home was something completely new, something that many blogging here do not have a clue about (not even sure whether some of them would understand the expression "record player"!).
Ah, you mean the way that......
....Leon Trotsky dissapeared from so many photographs when Stalin took over? Was Mr Papermaster told by the company's senior management *before* he noticed via the web that he had become a nonperson? Must be really weird to vanish like that.
Moral hazard anyone?
Amazing, the guy engages in the kind of creative acounting with regard to expenses that would get any ordinary employee fired on the spot with no notice or references and he gets to resign and gets how much....? I have to assume that the reason why his type do not get sacked even when caught bending is that far too many top managers and directors think (in their heart of hearts) "there but for the grace of God go I". In not dealing with him they are protecting themselves.
If ignorance is bliss then a posting like that.......
indicates a very happy little bunny. The Beatles are arguably the most important pop-band of all time. Their combined sales alone indicate their influence. When the remastered collection was launched a while back it had huge sales and is continuing to do extremely well. Lennon and Macartney are widely regarded as two of the most influential popular music writers of the entire 20th Century. Anything more you wanted to bleat?
Re: Any effect on IT systems etc? Under those circumstances ......
...........the iPhone 4 owner may discover that term "death grip" has a reality he has so far been unwilling to concede and that he has indeed purchased a "jesusphone" inasmuch our lucky fanboy is now a lot closer to Him than he was expecting to be.
For frakk's sake!
Instead of arguing/howling like a bunch of ferrets in a sack why cannot we for once see what we could *agree* on in this context. Those who believe that human generated emissions are a primary driver of climate change want, at the very least, a move towards lower impact, more efficient technologies. Those who believe that the human contribution has been exagerated will all the same recognise that competition for scarce resourses is going to be an increasing problem leading to the destabalisation of whole societies and regions on this planet with a consequent dramatic increase in warfare economic or military. Far more efficient economic development (which almost by definition means reduced environmental impact) is in the interests of all of us regardless of who or what we wish to "blame" for the challanges humankind faces. The two extremes, the "its our Godgiven right to piss all over this planet" and the "humanity is the source of all evil" brigades can go fuck themselves.
Well 'ard reset 'Arry.
Had to google the phrase to understand. Two forced shutdowns in a row? Cures the problem apparently? And then "it just works"? I think its a little bit much when a company recommends the update for your phone and you end up having to kick it in the arse repeatedly to get it to work properly.
RE: The operating system that refuses to die
"Windows 7 is better, but it’s still dreadful compared to XP. People realise this."
No, they do not believe that. "People" are buying Win 7 in large numbers. Personally, I do not believe it is the Second Coming as far as OS dev goes but your comment is arrant rubbish.
Unspecified deity on a prosthetic!
Those prices, OMG! Haven't lived in the UK for 12 years (if you take a look at my handle you can make a fair guess about where I live) and have not kept up with the developments in telecom pricing. Where I am I get the equivalent to 250 min free and 5 Gb for about 30 quid. The UK has a much larger market with (one would suppose) much greater competition, how in hell are they getting away with prices like that?
Why I will not buy...
..........an iPhone despite the fact that in many ways it is a very good piece of kit (albeit one which includes a pretty epic technical fail whatever Archpriest SJ may have to say).
1. Costs too much.
2. 2 year "Lock in".
3. External antenna.
4. I refuse to be associated with a customer group a significant number of whom behave like a bunch of screaming teenage girls at a 60's pop concert every time Apple release new kit. The company's marketing has no "cool factor" for me, just an intense cringe factor.
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