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@To the MS doubters
They do not want to hear it old chap. They just want to scream and howl about Micro$oft. Regardless of what, in reality, might or might not happen. We will see what the future holds.
A happy but unbiased Desire Z owner.
Non, je ne regrette rien
That is the reality folks, let us be quite realistic about what they actually mean.
Oh I take your point Neil, I was of course generalising. When it comes to producers SE's recent mea culpa with regard to upgrades and the fact that HTC have clearly been getting their finger out with regard to the Desire family are positive straws in the wind. Furthermore, some of the smaller carriers may well also be attempting to differentiate themselves from the big boys when it comes to the way they treat their customers. My impression is that *some* of (although by no means all) of the worst offenders are some of the big American carriers - at least to judge by the howling I have read at some sites like Engadget! The issue with updates is IMO about control - many of the carriers see upgrades as a way to maintain a firm grip on their customer's gonads - the fact that many of their customers dislike such eye-watering experiences is perhaps something that is at last dawning on some of these companies!
With regard to WP 7
I think that you will find that it is not MS (spelt with or without dollar-sign - up to you) who are preventing punters from getting their up-grade, at least not in the direct sense. When you have used this tool to enable your phone, where are you getting the up-grade? From MS obviously. This whole business effects customers who have bought their phones on contract via a carrier. The agreement between the carriers and MS is that they can delay one upgrade cycle in order to ensure that they do not fuck up the update when they pass it on to their customers. As far as I can see the carriers are exploiting this for all it is worth (in the same way they do with the Android os). If you have bought your phone sim-free you will get your update as soon as it is released by MS. This is a perennial problem for all owners of either WP7 phones or (as in my case, a largely happy Desire Z owner) Android phones. The carriers take the piss out of their customers big time. That is one very good reason why I personally prefer to (terribly old fashioned of me) save up and buy my phones outright. I have not bought a mob via a carrier for at least ten years and I have no intention of changing that!
Modern mobile communication, one of the most extraordinary..........
.............of human history's technological achievements and what do millions use it for? Arsebook and Shitter. It makes you want to cry.
I'm not bloody surprised.
I'd be terminally depressed if I listened to the shit they listen to day in and day out............
Shuffles off into the distance mumbling to himself "in my day ......."
Looking at the interesting down-vote pattern........
......here I am tempted to assume that there are some Vodaphone directors lurking here in the shadows on this thread, apparently as shy about actually *posting* as they are about paying their taxes. Oh and yes, they are of course tax-avoiding scum - now their stealth clad astroturfers can down-vote me as well.
"RPX is an operation that seeks to help its clients reduce their patent litigation, and it does so by building a patent portfolio of its own and allowing clients to license the portfolio for an annual fee. "
I.E. They are cuddly patent trolls that will allow you to sign an annual feeding agreement.
Well I'll be blowed! You must have......
........been reading my mind.
I think we are being a little unfair here towards.......
...........many ordinary punters - they are not all Pavlov's mutts. An awful lot of people just ignore the ads *unless* they are actually on the lookout for a specific category of wares. I hate to spoil (for example) El Reg's day but I take absolutely no notice of the ads when I read here if they are not advertising something that I am *already* looking for. I am not saying that these buggers should not be kept on a reasonably short leash, I am just pointing out that the punter can contribute (and many do) by utterly ignoring any advertising that is not of immediate and genuine use to them. You can to a considerable extent control how far you can be used as click-bait. However, in general terms I do agree that advertising execs belong in the scorpion pits - just on principle, you understand.
The battery is not "customer" removeable?
You have to plug the bloody thing into a wall-socket? I realise that these are prototypes but which dickhead came up with those elements of the design?
No, their mistake.
Only the Patrician owns the scorpion pits.
No no - much to good for them.
"Shut the company down and jail all owners for life."
Send them to the scorpion pits.
I have to assume that this is either the......
...........release candidate or the relief candidate?
By buying Macs? I am not slagging off Macs quality-wise (I use one in the lab at work, fine machine) but the buy-in/set-up/support/adoption costs are prohibitive when compared to similarly specced Windows pcs of decent build quality. Especially when they are being slotted in to an existing system. The guy is just mouthing off about something he knows very little about. Another example of the same type of thinking here in Brass monkey land. The firm Mm Arctic Fox works for has just bought all their admin-staff and the senior management iPads claiming that they can justify this on the grounds of improved productivity! They asked her if she wanted one - she pointed out that as a senior research scientist any applications she needs to run in order to be productive are rather more serious pieces of soft kit than those needed by personnel and marketing! This guy is just another senior manager opening his mouth and inserting both feet in it at one and the same time - impressive in the acrobatic sense but otherwise not much of a contribution in the greater scheme of things.
If they let this one through........
.........then the attitude of the competition authorities in the US can only be described as the same joke in poor taste as that of the equivalent in the UK. This should be a no-brainer, so much so that it should have been the case that AT&T wouldn't even have attempted this merger let alone had serious hopes of getting it approved. Given the increasing importance of mobile communication and data transfer in the lives of the vast majority of ordinary Americans it is a disgrace that it is even possible that this could be accepted.
Lewis old chap, I (as a cautious supporter of nuclear power).......
........would say that you should tone down the triumphalism in your articles a touch - you are damaging the cause you wish to serve.
I beg your pardon? "Only"?
........."was protected only by a Griffin Motif TPU case and an aftermarket metal backing"?
Are you quite sure that it was not also equipped with its own "Kevlar tactical vest with optional shoulder, collar & groin protection" plus parachute (available at your local Apple Store now!) - just that you forgot to mention it?
To all practical intents and purposes this story would only.......
.........be relevant instead of nitpicking if the author has evidence that Google intends to *permanently* hold back Honeycomb. I would be most interested in seeing such evidence.
@Rich 30: On Win 7's limitations
I have to say that I agree about the limitations of a tab loaded with Win 7 (that is of course part of the reason for the appalling battery life), it is not a touch screen os and no amount of "skinning" from any of the OEMs will achieve very much. For those wanting a Windows based tab they are just going to have to wait and see what the Win 8 (ARM) os is like. That should (combined with decent and appropriate hardware, natch) address the user friendliness issues with regard to touch and (I hope) battery life. If it does not then I am afraid MS can kiss the tab market goodbye - which would be a pity since a genuine workhorse tab (as well as the current sofa/horizontal/cup-of-tea/content consumption tabs) would also have a place in the market. All about choice and all that. When and if they market tabs that are *both* replacement *and* supplement devices (such that I can wave my HP lappie bye-bye) I will be entirely willing to pony up serious readies.
Real Player is bad?
Well, yes indeed it is. It is many a long year since I was foolish enough to allow that garbage anywhere near a machine I own. However I have to say that it is entertaining to hear criticism from the Cupertinies on this thread given iTunes, hmm? When it comes to garbage software iTunes belongs in the same bin as RealPlayer, for much the same reasons.
Actually I neither think it will be necessary or indeed wise for Amazon to start a "war" with Apple, why would they want to? The tablet market IMO is in its infancy and still far smaller than its potential. Android/Honeycomb tablets are going to be raining from the skies in the next few months at that is just a beginning. Amazon is aiming at what it believes will be a much expanded market for Android apps on both phones and tabs. If (and it is still an *IF*) Amazon elects to sell an own-brand tablet it will be as part of their strategy to compete for a share of the *Android* content market which they clearly believe has a very large potential. It is becoming increasingly likely that the table market is going to be several times the size it is today and it is likely that a hefty slice of that will be Android. That is where Amazon are aiming. Unless one believes that Apple has some kind of permanent lien on the tab market it is obvious that with the coming likely explosive growth in that market that Apple's market share will fall although their share will still be a large one of a MUCH larger market (which implies that Apple will be making even more money on tabs than they do now). This gives plenty of room for a major like Amazon to do a lot of good business. As to any expectation that Amazon would try and force Apple out of the market I can assure you that I do not share any such expectation. For such a thing to happen one would have to posit that the iPad will shortly become a big flop with Android taking over completely - clearly a total fantasy that I do not share. The tablet market is likely to be huge, there is plenty of room out there.
I would be utterly amazed if Amazon was not.........
......exploring precisely that option. Their tactic in selling the Kindle at what looks something like cost has paid off big time and whilst a repeat success with a full song with choruses Honeycomb tablet is not guaranteed by any manner of means, it would be fairly astonishing if they were not at least tempted by the prospect. Decently built and specced tablet(s) populating the price-segments between £300 to £500 with perhaps the next Honeycomb build on board combined with their well established retail content operation (music, films, books and soon apps) would stand a very good chance of cleaning up. Indeed, if I were in charge at Cupertino I would be watching Amazon very closely, in fact I might even be looking at something fairly dramatic with regard to the acquisition of a major content provider - Apple have after all a fairly substantial "war chest" available them.
PS We may end up having to ask for an Amazon icon, with or without horns!
Well actually it is not the dog that is doing the shitting.
It is the "customer" who is shitting all over the sidewalk regardless of how often one tries to explain that they should keep it in their pants. How many articles in how many mainstream media publications warning said "customers" about downloading programmes of a certain type is it going to take before the brain dead finally realise that they are doing something silly? Interesting that many of us criticise (correctly in my view) Apple's walled garden on the grounds of freedom and choice, whilst at the same time many log on here to howl about "M$" on the grounds that they do not succeed in preventing said braindeads from fucking everything up. Do not misunderstand me, MS could clearly do a lot more to improve security (and I suspect they are aware of that) but I am piss tired of the fact that as long as the Great Satan From Redmond is involved many immediately find it convenient to forget that the biggest threat to a pc is the dickhead at the keyboard. Precisely how is "M$" supposed to stop these plonkers downloading that kind of shit without taking the kind of measures that would have us all howling a blue fit? So yes, the customer is NOT always right - sometimes they are completely wrong and ought to take some responsibility (that goes with freedom, right?) for their own behaviour.
@Ragarath You have got to understand the rules old chap.
When Microsoft are the subject of an article the following rules apply.
1. If MS have done something wrong, log on and howl.
2. If MS have done something right, log on and howl.
(Make sure you say that it was all their fault in the first place whether that is wholly true, partly true or not true at all.)
3. If MS are mentioned however peripherally, even if your posting is not even in orbit around the same planet as the article concerned let alone on topic, log on and howl.
4. Do remember to spell the Great Satan's name with a $-sign as often as possible whilst you howl.
As far as the subject of this article is concerned I am glad to see that MS appear to be taking their responsibilities seriously. I personally feel that they should have been moving in this way a considerable while ago but I am reasonably impressed with the sheer scale of the operation involving as it did MS officials, the Feds, the US courts and national compliance and policing authorities in several countries (including China's own CNERT-team believe or not!). So yes, on this occasion I am also willing to give Redmond a cautious thumbs up.
RE no-brainers just don't 'get' freedom
You appear to have got off at the wrong stop old chap. The Daily Heil is just down the road on your right.
Good point. One can just imagine their reaction to being told that their religious orientation is a disease and that impressionable young children should not be allowed to read the bible on the grounds that it "promotes" this degenerate lifestyle.
Granted I haven't thought on this too long yet, but
I have been musing upon that possibility since I first got my hands on my Kindle 3 (about 6 months ago) and I have to say that I would be amazed if Amazon had not at least considered the idea. The droid tabs are just now beginning to come on stream and Honeycomb appears to be coming along nicely. If it were technically feasible to equip a tab with a screen that could switch between a conventional display and something that had the visual characteristics of e-ink I think that Amazon (and their OEM) might have a major winner on their hands. Such a combination might very well give Cupertino a run for their money - and from a very unexpected direction as well!
I appreciate the reply. Had not thought of that aspect of it.
What's Intel asking for their chips?
"But do those machines ship? Most do not."
I do not claim to know, I am just wondering. Are they maybe being greedy over what they expect the OEMs to pony up for that Intel kit?
Apparently the incompetence theory is doing the rounds
It looks like leading Apple supporters are not so impressed with Cupertino this time. They do not of course buy the "they did it on purpose" theory but they are not exactly kindly in their criticism of the Fruit Store. The criticism we can see here: ( http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple?tag=mantle_skin;content ) from Jason D. O'Grady & David Morgenstern (two Appleheads from way back when) at ZDNet is just one example of the feelings amongst many of the company's keenest supporters that are circulating on the net.
Basically you can pick your theory; *deliberate tactic* or *major league incompetence* on this occasion.
@Neoc Re: Re:Artificial scarcity
Indeed, it is difficult to believe that is not what they did. Well knowing that a certain proportion of their supporters would behave in the desperate way we are now seeing with the consequent loads of publicity around these stories of people paying 2 - 3 times the retail price on the "black market". It serves their publicity purpose of portraying the iPad at the absolute must-have shiney. Nothing could serve that aim more than the stories we are now seeing. The alternative is to believe that the production and marketing people at Apple are grotesquely incompetent in regard to several of their key tasks: predicting, managing and meeting demand. What ever one might say about Apple, THAT I just do not believe. Given the (largely well deserved, I have no problem saying that) huge success they have had with iPad 1 and the expectations that were building up ahead of a pretty much simultaneous world-wide launch of iPad 2 (in comparison to the "roll out" approach they used with iPad 1, USA first, natch) we are expected to believe that they thought that an initial production run of 500 K was going to be enough? My only response to anyone asserting that is "get out of here"!
Re Nefarious? Indeed, it does not seem in principle......
..........any different from what has been Apple's usual pricing policy - screw the market for what you can get. In this instance much facilitated by the company's apparent inability to produce even a ballpark guess concerning initial sales with the result that there are massive shortages. Though it has to be said that if someone is so sad that they are willing to part with up to 2000 dollars they almost deserve to be ripped off. The new iPad seems to be a decent piece of kit (not my kind of thing but each to their own and all that) and Apple's own pricing this time somewhat less of a piss-take. However if they release before they have ensured adequate supplies their loyal/deranged punters are going to get screwed.
Yes, artificial - Apple's Fail.
Companies like Apple do a lot of market research to ensure they do not make a fuck-up like this. It is not possible to believe that Cupertino simply based a rough guess on the number of iPad 1s they sold. Either it was deliberate or Mr Jobs should fire the entire marketing dept because they are clearly not doing their Jobs (pun committed with malice aforethought).
First time I've ever used this icon but this time I am in no doubts that they deserve it on this occasion. A marketing fuck-up like this from a company famous for its marketing expertise? No, it was deliberate.
This communication with the past being limited to the earliest moment in our future when this particle is, perhaps, discovered and the necessary communications devices are, perhaps, developed. This, for the very simple reason that no-one except someone in our future would (with the aforementioned kit) be able to recieve any messages from someone who had not yet developed the aforementioned kit...........are you still with me? In short this past that could be communicated with must by definition post-date the first point in time when this kit is developed, or something like that. Oh bollocks I need a drink.
The authorities tried to do the same with........
.........printing when it was invented (in Europe at any rate) in the mid-fifteenth and of course we all know how successful that was do we not?
My gob has never been so smacked.
Planning a system incompatible with other standards with millions of locked in customers, well I'll go to the foot of our stairs! I am sure that that nice Mr Jobs would not dream of doing such a thing.
NB: Irony alert in relation to icon use.
SPs always make me nervous.
I run Win 7 hp 64-bit at home on two machines. A few days before the update was released I ran full system backup manually on both of them and then took backup off schedule. Happily when Redmond sent SP1 down the pipe to yours truly it installed in both cases without giving any noticeable problems. Had I experienced problems I could not find a work-around to I would have switched off Windows update, formatted the drives, restored from the drive image and then kept that monkey (AKA Windows updat) off-line until it was clear that a safe version was available. I've been burned before!
Part deux of my rant.
Furthermore, to paraphrase one of Bill Clinton's advisers from the 90s, "its the infrastructure, stupid". That's right, the big pipe in the sky. If we start shoving everything up there so that everybody's shineys are a rather expensive collection of "thin clients" (in the software sense), how the hell are we going to get the bandwidth? The infrastructure investment required in the years ahead by the carriers is already humungous, can you imagine the sums of money involved if it is largely cloud-based? Who's going to pay for that? The poor bloody punter of course through his/her data-plan and/or tax slip. What a wonderful idea! We tell the punter that he/she is a plank if they want locally stored applications and then we charge them an arm and a leg for an alternative that the punter has so far showed no great signs of wanting. As far as I am concerned they can stick it.
@bojennett Re: "It's because HTML sucks, dude"
"You HTML5 people... you need to get over yourselves. The fact that you can make it work at all as an application framework is truly commendable. You've done the equivalent of bolting a jet engine onto a bicycle bike frame. The fact that the bike doesn't blow up is awesome - but that doesn't mean I want to ride it."
Do you mind! I laughed so hard at that image that I almost ended up with my breakfast coffee in my lap.
All this seems to assume is that........
..............your interaction with content must be cloud and social network based. Quite apart from the practicalities of the customer being hostage to having a live connection _and_ the carriers data plans in order to be able to use content and facilities on his/her mob/pad, it also assumes that everybody wants to be involved with Twitter, Arsebook etc in order to "share" this experience. How about those propagandising for cloud/web based solutions recognise that under certain circumstances lack of locally installed facilities is in fact a _lack_ of freedom for the punter. Plus a very simple and age old aspect of being human - people like feeling they own something real, "solid" if you like, that they have bought; locally installed apps play to this feeling. This whole cloud/web based shtick sounds like a wonderful deal for web designers and the carriers - where do the customers _real_ interests fit into all of this? Why does it, apparently, have to be either or? Why cannot customers choose between locally installed and web based according how _they_ want to organise that aspect of their lives? Particularly without being told that their preferred solution is "inferior" - just because it does not happen to suit certain agendas.
The downvoters should be ashamed of themselves.
The guy has a legitimate point - what are you all doing, whistling loudly in the dark?
@AC re Uh! And the Man From Cupertino will probably try.......
...........to insist that you use a non-standard connector only available from your local Apple Store!
More patent trolling?
Are they actually trying to patent a genuine device (if so, where is the physical example of such a device accompanying this application?) or simply a very generalised series of concepts intended as nothing more than a judicial minefield for any competitors in the field of consumer electronics? A clearer example of deliberate market poisoning would be hard to find. Apple make very good kit that is deservedly very popular but their taste for using their legal department to dream up schemes designed to cripple any future competition reminds me very strongly of Microsoft at its very worst in the 1990s.
@DT re Penetration of the market.
Highly relevant point. Seems that xbox owners (I am not one) are highly enthusiastic. That the sales of kinect within that market (xbox owners by definition) should exhibit a take-up that can be compared with other best-selling devices which do not require pre-ownership of another device is fairly eye-crossing. What will be very interesting from a marketing point of view is in what degree new xboxes are being bought with kinect and whether kinect will now accelerate sales of xbox per se. The combined package cannot be dismissed as a "100 buck peripheral", representing as it does a fairly significant investment in ones home entertainment system. We will no doubt have a clearer picture of that possible phenomenon by Q3 or so.
Stock is money - sitting there doing nothing.
The issue for Tescos and Asda (or whoever) is simply that they can carry iThingy cases because they all fit the one phone. To meet your needs (and mine - Desire Z) and those of other Android customers they would have to stock a considerable range of cases. However if Android sales are really taking off for them they may well begin to do so now.
The Desire HD (scarcely a poorly specced phone) is about 40% cheaper than the cheapest iPhone 4 (sim-free Amazon.co.uk).
.......and probably reads magazines like.....
.........."Topless Benchmarks for Men".
Let me see now....
.....if you install this you need ear plugs, several 14 cm case fans, an industrial grade psu and you can also heat the office with it. As far as the private market goes we are of course talking financially well heeled obsessive gamer who still lives in the cellar at his mum's, are we not?
On a general point in this context
A point which applies to all such companies (carrier or producer), ie attempts to create or maintain some kind of lock-in. They all do it, we can all think of many examples and many companies. The common factor is of course the desire to avoid be subjected to any greater degree of genuine competition that can in fact be avoided. All such strategies *whoever* is deploying them are aimed at evading competition without risking a direct confrontation with the competition authorities. In other words they all see OUR interests as the very antithesis of theirs. A thought to be born in mind when one feels the impulse to post defending ones favourite company - whoever they are. The only side they are on is their own.
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