2225 posts • joined 6 Nov 2009
" they want it for their own shit and they don't want Bing to have it."
Translation: They want to use/abuse their market dominant position to lock out
Microsoft their competitors. Oh the irony. Do no evil? Can we please have a truce when it comes to the tribalism shit? They will all do it, given half a chance. That is after all what "BigCorp" does if we do not keep a very tight grip on their gonads......hmm?
Well, it was only a matter of time......
..........when Google would conclude that the tail was wagging the dog from their point of view.
"Today they must be weighing their options – and the daunting cost of creating a joint competing brand to Google's Silver."
In practice it is only Samsung that could do this (i.e. Fork Android and go it alone.). They are probably the only Android OEM with brand name recognition on the scale that would be necessary to take that step. Their "skin" (Touchwiz) is sufficiently "dense" that the visual change for the ordinary consumer would probably not be in any way "jarring" but there is, of course, a fly in that particular brand of ointment. If I may be permitted to quote/paraphrase a exhortation used by one of Bill Clinton's election advisers, "it's the apps, stupid". Indeed, Google Play is Mountain View's not so secret weapon when it comes to maintaining a firm grip on Sammy's organs of generation. As long as you do not have that kind of facility (Amazon was able to do it with its "Fire" range but Amazon has software and content coming out of its ears) you are stuffed.
On a side note, if The Demon Spawn of Redmond, AKA M$ or Windoze (or whatever tired and unimaginative insults you can come up with) had announced plans to do this to their OEMs (or if they were to do so in future), what do you imagine would have been/will be posted on a thread like this one....hmm?
@Greg D "....this bint..…?
Pardon? The "bint" deserved a slap? Thank God you are not the husband of my daughter or the father of my granddaughter. I absolutely promise that if that were the case you would be the one getting the slap. That I can absolutely guarentee you.
I think that on the basis of the comments I have seen so far.....
..…….95% of Brit tech bosses just can't get the staff these days, claims........"
.........the businesses concerned might with advantage examine the conditions under which they are employing tech-staff, hmm..…?
@Don Jefe A very interesting perspective.
I will admit that the possibility that at least some of the senior managements within the industry might not think that game was worth the candle is a thought that had not occurred to me.
"My guess is that Microsoft know the carriers will not tolerate Windows Phone being successful on their networks. The carriers understand that being locked into Microsoft technology leads to becoming a Microsoft Partner (then it's bend over and trouser down while Microsoft empties your pockets)."
Given that the US carriers have bent over to take up the back passage from Cupertino ever since the first iPhone was released one would assume that having to reach for the vaseline was something they were entirely used to.
.............and they bought Macs?*
*Sorry boys, I just could not resist it.
@M75 Thank you. A calm and rationally argued post.
Not as common an occurrence as one would wish on some threads. See icon.
@Ledswinger "Wow. Geek bird, you lucky chap."
Actually, so far from giving me a slap, she absolutely roared with laughter when I read your post out to her just now! No, she is in all seriousness absolutely delighted and very much looking forward to getting her mitts on it when it arrives.
"Very nice piece of kit." I have in fact just ordered the aforementioned........
.......and La Senora is well pleased. Our supplier should have them in on the 6th May which is just about perfect for my good lady's birthday. Look forward to setting it up (well I have got to have some chance to play with it.....hmm?).
Very nice piece of kit.
La Senora has an important birthday coming up and this fella is a definite contender - very nice indeed. A couple of small points: I can't say that I feel that 163 g is over the top weight wise given the size of the phone and as far as the built in speakers are concerned my good lady would (and I suspect this is true for a lot of customers) be using the earphones.
Re: James Watt introduced many advances..........
Indeed he did. His advances were key to the development of manufacturing and transport at the heart of the industrial revolution. The importance of his contribution cannot be emphasised too much.
@Graham Marsden Re:"Or leaked...."
Indeed. I realise that El Reg has to earn its crust like the rest of us. However, I do think that they could, now and then, restrain themselves from giving the publicity hungry corporate troll the meal it so evidently desires. After all, in this case, El Reg have little to lose - hmmm?
"Redmond told The Reg......... "
Well that is at least a little bit better than the attitude of "A Certain Well Known Mobile Phone Producer" who usually refuses to respond to any questions that El Reg might wish to put.*
*No, do restrain yourselves fanbois, I am absolutely not praising "The Demon Spawn of Redmond" regardless of my choice of icon.
"One puzzle is why the 930 will take so long to arrive..........."
I seem to recall that they negotiated some kind of time limited exclusivity deal with Verizon did they not? Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
I am obliged to admit that I wimped out and could not bring myself.......
.........to actually watch the video. However, it is indeed an astonishing medical/scientific achievement and I cannot express too strongly my admiration for the team involved.
I think that we should avoid too much gloating hmm...?
I would however like to make a point directed towards a certain type of Penguinista. Every time a softie fanboi logs on here to howl about the miniscule size of Linux on the desktop you reply stating, quite rightly, that its "parent" Unix is the basis of server architecture all over known space. Your problem now is that some black hats have also woken up to this. Time to think about the challenge rather than respond on auto here, hmm?
Why is it that I get the impression that these people...........
...........were not exactly the crème de la crème of the criminal fraternity?
@Pet Peeve Re: "Was any of that necessary?"
Apparently so. He clearly needed to get his rancid contempt for all those lower down the food-chain than he is off his chest. One is of course entitled to wonder what the hell that has to do with the DRAM price-fixing ring. However, his personality problems are indeed his problem and not ours - praise be!
Vultures are very interesting birds and........
......a damn sight more attractive than that gentleman.
Unfortunately although we may not like it.....
.......there are a lot out there who do, God help us all. Whether it's that ignoramus of a marketing manager or the retail market populated by those whose response to RTFM is to grizzle and whine "why doesn't it just work?" - it is big business with a lot of the folding riding on it. I for one am not looking forward to this brave new world.
@ecofeco and Don Jefe.
Thank you gentlemen - very informative.
I am curious.
Just how much is/was stolen by means of the illicit use of this information? Just how profitable is this type of crime? I, personally speaking have no idea. Anyone got a clearer picture?
My eyes were already bleeding.......
........by the time I had read his title. I am also not sure that letting him loose again on that post would improve the situation.
I do not think that Lenovo are fools.
Let us just see what they do with this purchase before we start to amuse ourselves at their expense, hmm?.
@Chris G I am very definitely looking at them with interest.
What really surprises me is how fast they came out of the starting blocks (three years?) as far as hardware design and build quality go. They at the top of my watch list as far as Android based kit is concerned.
I have to say that I entirely agree that Huawei are worth watching.
After her indoors nicked my Desire Z (long story, won't bore you) I looked around for a replacement (I ran it in tandem with my Lumia 820 - cloned sims) and stumbled across the Huawei P6 Ascend. Quite astonishing value at a little over the 250 spons mark. Very nice build quality indeed (regardless of price point) and very decent performance plus a really nice 5 inch screen. In terms of the visual I do not much like the way they have skinned the os but the hardware is very impressive indeed at that price point.
I think that we may see the mother of all cage fights in the US market.
After all the mobile operators are not going to sit still for this and they have some of the best politicians money can buy in their pockets.
To be honest Trevor I have never seen anyone post arguing that we should. I fairly certain about that because I do not believe that I would have missed the massed howls of laughter if anyone had posted something like that. The rhetorical question "Can anyone trust Microsoft?" is in reality an Aunt Sally question. Anyone who actually trusts any example of "BigCorp" really should get out in the sunlight more often.
@James 51 "..... full sized usb3 port to my list of things......."
I entirely agree. In fact I am a little surprised that Toshiba did not take advantage of this tablets thickness to do just that. I understand the use of mini ports (usb and hdmi) where one of the crucial design themes is slimness but I do not understand it here.
Apple and Google agree on something?
Now I really am scared.
Re: And of course Foxconn ONLY make kit for Apple don't they?
I hate to have to break this to you old chap but El Reg's subbies specialise in wind up sub-headings - and no, the "fruity company" is not the only victim. Any excuse to take the piss is their modus vivendi and they do not much care who they are extracting the urine from. That is their stock in trade, end of.
I have to say that I am enjoying this thread.
The good manners and the experience in these posts is something that I am learning a great deal from. A big upvote to you all.
Re: Think of yourself ten years ago...
Words of wisdom old chap, major thumbs up.
Useful, i.e. constructive criticism, is not usually couched in the form of personal abuse. Whatever Nadella's merits or demerits may be (and I am not in a position to have a worthwhile opinion on them) Kempin's approach sounds like the settling of old scores.
I strongly suspect that that would only be the case in a year that it was clear that all divisions were firing on all cylinders and MS had set a new company record as far as fiscal performance was concerned - anyone predicting that for any company in this industry currently?
"SharePoint Conference? Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate ....."
...........La speranza eterna, hmm?
mystic megs got their crystal balls in a twist so the. brain dead and the greedy brokers reacted in the predictable fashion.
Re: Ok, that one made me spit Sprite Zero....
Thank you kindly!
"Successes? Oh, we've had a few...........
...........But then again, too few to mention"*
@ AMBxx I agree. Whilst I still use Firefox........
..........as my preferred browser (habit I guess, although not solely that) I am obliged to admit that with IE10 I began to review my automatic hostility to Redmond's offerings in that area. I have been trialling IE11 for some little while now and am obliged to admit that it is a world away from anything they produced in the past. Pity it took them so long to get genuinely serious about good browser design.
I am absolutely delighted to find that..........
...............a word like "monopsonist" exists.
@Doug S Re:"....until they sold 7 billion iPhones every year?" A good point, however,.......
...........the problem is that the markets (and the analysts in this instance) are driven by fear and greed rather than by intelligence, genuine analysis and a sense of proportion. Cupertino is not going to enjoy stratospheric capital gains forever? "Oh woe is us, the end of the world is nigh - sell, sell, sell I tell you, the sky is falling in."
Apple is highly unlikely to stop making serious money (although they will be getting any of mine any time soon :P) but that is not enough for the stripey-shirted-brigade and the rest of their fellow sharks. Irrationallity and the aforementioned fear and greed - Masters of the Universe?
@Cliff Re: Reg, don't join in with 'troll', you're better than that
Agree entirely Cliff - see icon.
Whilst of course we have all seen cases where violence has not been adequately punished the scenario you describe is unlikely. Normally speaking being convicted of malicious wounding or occasioning grievous bodily harm will get you a custodial sentence unless there are very special circumstances and you have a very fast talking lawyer.
@Don Jefe. Splendid post.
@Big_Boomer. Re: "The grass is no greener anywhere else"
Indeed. However, you have to understand that the gold card members of the Anti Microsoft Choral Howling Society have to get their dibs in whether it is justified or not.
As far as I am concerned the lady is well named.
Yes indeed toad warrior.
"You can't screw your employees on wages and expect consumer spending to climb."
However, this not new. The "Managerati" have been wilfully blind to that contradiction since the early days of mass production and the modern mass markets that it created.
Splendid, I am delighted to hear it.
Unless of course anybody feels that "freedom of speech" is served by threatening someone with rape - hmm?
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