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Re: Alternative view
Indeed, a useful corrective to implications of the article's subheading. Ironically enough I have experienced such working conditions in the UK. When I left school as an eighteen year old I got my first job as a porter (in practice a general labourer - carrying luggage was not part of my duties -:P) on BR (we are in the early seventies here) at a central London station. The wages were so piss poor that if you were on a basic 40 hr week day shift BR paid you an extra (very small) allowance because you would otherwise have been entitled to claim off the social. In order to make ends meet I worked 12 hour nights for six nights a week and an eight hour night shift on Sundays. Even after that the pay packet was still below (well below) national averages at the time. I did that for three and half years before moving on. The attitudes of my workmates were divided. Some would much have preferred a somewhat better hourly rate and more time with their families (even if that meant that they did not earn the same amount as with the existing system) and others were prepared to work as many hours as they could get even if (like the Foxconn workers) it had meant literally living at work. With such a huge workforce as Foxconn's it is scarcely surprising that opinion is divided amongst the employees - an issue that the article should have mentioned.
I realise that the work is worthwhile and contributes to the science but.........
"so the researchers measured the internal pressure of a hundred bodies "
...............there are some jobs I am very happy for other scientists to do!
Re: @F111F Really?
Really, have you failed to notice what has been happening in the US and the Middle East over the past twenty years or so? Radical fundamentalists in both the Islamic and the Christian conservative traditions? They are not some missionaries from Africa, they have very fundamentalist religious perspectives and considerable political influence. Take a look at what is happening on the right wing of the Republican party in the US if you have not already noticed. Take a look at the internal balance of power within the right wing in Israel. Take a look at what the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia have been up to in recent decades (clue - Osama Bin Laden to name an infamous example). Take a look at what has been happening in Iran since the fall of the Shah. In short, take a look and start doing some thinking. The influence of fundamentalists within all of the Abrahamic religions is significant and highly pernicious in its effects . Common to all of them would be an utter hatred of beings that not only would likely not recognise their God but in many ways from the fundamentalist's point of view the very existence of such beings would be a denial of the existence of their Deity.
"You might wish to do some more research before stating such conclusions. The vast majority of religions have already answered this question"
You might care to justify that very grandiose claim. What I suspect you are saying is that religious denominations you are comfortable with have managed to square the circle (yet again) to their satisfaction and convenience. You may perhaps however have noticed that fundamentalism (in several monotheistic flavours) has been on the rise for the last couple of decades or so - it should not need much "research" for you to notice that. The "nutters" are not a small marginal fringe, they are very influential in a number of very dangerous contexts (albeit out of proportion to their absolute numbers) - and yes, they would still regard the discovery other sentient life as a theological disaster.
@David D. Hagood. Re "Have YOU accepted GLORB as your personal saaaaviooooor?"
Yes, in all likelihood on a Sunday morning. Though the sight of them having a barney with the Adventists over first dibs to the doorstep would have a certain entertainment value.
@Dan 10 RE: "Given the magnitude of this area of research, it is unlikely.........
.................that we will see real proper bonafide aliens in my lifetime (circa 50 years left), which means I want reincarnation to be real, so I can live again and see some weird shit straight out of Dr Who."
You and me both old chap, you and me both. -:)
Fascinating. The thought strikes me that some people are probably............
........crapping themselves in the face of this kind of evidence. I.e. Religious fundamentalists (of all stripes) who, by definition, believe that there is only one Deity and he/she or it created us as unique images of the godhead. In other words it is essential for them and their beliefs that we are alone in the universe (we saw who was behind the killing of federal support for the SETI project in Congress several years ago did we not?) and the possibility that they may have to face up to a theological question that they would above all else like to pretend does not exist must be causing them to shit themselves. Personally speaking the more evidence of this kind that shows that it is increasingly unlikely that we in fact are unique the better I am pleased. The sooner that cosmic reality kicks the legs out from under the godbotherers (regardless of which religion we are talking about) the better.
@The Cube Re:"note that there does not need to be direct collusion or even intent to form a cartel"
No indeed, they do not have to do anything so silly as overtly break the law. They simply understand their interests very well and by means of the good old "nod's as good as a wink" method are able, in practice to rig the market as thoroughly as if they had formed a cartel. Ironically enough the "Father" of free market theory, Adam Smith, warned about precisely this kind of behaviour several hundred years ago. Strange that modern neoliberal economists have a tendency to go very quiet on this issue, hmm? Their demagogic insistence that government intervention is to be avoided at all costs when there are obviously circumstances where only government intervention is going to work leaves them silent on a subject (rigging the market) that ought (according to their own professed beliefs) to have them screaming loud and long.
Re: Now say "Peter Piper Picked a Peck..." Really?
If you are saying that Nokia are simply Microsoft's stalking horse on this issue what then is your explanation for Motorola's role? By exactly the same logic you should be making the same references to Google, hmm? I do not suppose you could possibly consider that the two most experienced mobile phone producers on the face of the planet (Moto and Nokia) might have at least some genuine tech reasons for preferring their offering?
Are we actually surprised?
"US House representatives from the Republican party have shot down a Democrat effort to pass a law stopping companies from demanding access to jobseekers' and employees' Facebook accounts."
RE: "Is this guy the dumbest fraudster ever?" Hmm...well, up to a point.
I have to pose a question however. Given that he is indisputably (very) "limited" how is it that the fraud worked for even one nanosecond and what does that say about the bank?
@P. Lee "You pierced your WHAT?" Oh God, my are.......
.......still watering after having read that!
Well I'll be damned.
"Apple clearly isn't proposing its design in order to make money from patents, or control the standard, but neither is Nokia.
Unlikely as it sounds, the companies are genuinely arguing about which proposal is the best solution to making SIMs smaller, while ensuring they still fit between our stubby fingers, so they can squeeze more functionality into ever-smaller handsets."
I had to read the paragraph three times before I could believe what I was seeing - and no I am not being sarky. It has however become unfortunately a rarity these days to see honest and constructive disagreement over the technology. It would be nice if it were a harbinger of an improvement in the currently poisonous atmosphere in the industry although I have to admit that I am not holding my breath.
"abort their visit early after one of the windows cracked after the descent."
I would definitely had to change my underwear afterwards had I been on that dive.
Re: "I'd buy them a drink." I agree.
Whilst one can of course say (with justice) that they should have begun this a long time ago it is indisputably true that in recent years they have been devoting increasing efforts and considerable resources (=a great deal of wonga and man-hours) to making a significant dent in the problem. Good to see.
Re: "Crap" Oh God yes, just imagine.
Being pwned by one's Kenwood. Oh the humiliation, oh the ignominy!
Re: Anyway, all the real data is transmitted by carrier pigeon.
The following quote is interesting:
"I think we have to go to a model where we assume that the adversary is in our networks. It's on our machines, and we've got to operate anyway."
That feels intuitively like sound common sense. However, the devil (as always) is in the detail. Are they talking about systems which allow them to track the "enemy's" presence within the system and thereby control what he knows (or ensuring that what he gets access to is not quite as useful/accurate as he thinks it is) or are they talking "hardened" areas within the system which they believe they can succeed in keeping him out of? Or are they thinking of a combination of these types of strategy? Anybody got any suggestions?
Re: Love the £400 laptop reviews.
We see the same mindset at work when reviewers/pundits give the Android OEMs the benefit of their enormous wisdom. Along the lines of "in order to compete with Apple they have to significantly undercut Cupertino on price whilst at the same time compete on hardware and build-quality". For some reason I cannot help feeling that that advice has somewhat limited utility!
"non-reflective screen, which is a welcome change."
Hallelujah! Sammy has seen the light brothers and sisters! On a slightly more serious note I have to say that it is about time. They are selling into the budget workhorse end of the market and I think they (and the other OEMs) can afford to spare their customers eye-strain, rising irritation and possible migraine. If I want to shave I use the bathroom mirror, not my lappie.
@Jimbo 6 Re:........."the only beaver shots on her account...................
........... just involved semi-aquatic quadrupeds and heavy-calibre rifles."
For some reason that sounds even more perverse, or do I mean perverted?
Implicit in this is the thought that a large number of punter's smartphone..............
..............purchasing decisions are informed by whether or not they can play "Angry Birds"? I think that I shall refrain from commenting further.
Re: "And what exactly...." Indeed. Careful whom you sup with and..........
.............use a very long spoon.
@Captain DaFt Well actually, I've seen some custom jobs that make that thing........
.................look like the acme of restrained and stylish good taste!
".....would face "a PR nightmare" and risk losing staff who don't trust their employers. "
Would face a PR nightmare? They would only then experience a breakdown in trust between them and their employers? I think somebody should start talking to the poor sods presently working at the coalface. They might then discover that this lack of trust and a desire to get the hell out it it is a widespread condition today, never mind at some stage in the future. Costing cutting? That's simply a question of who gets cut. Doing things smarter, being genuinely innovative to grow a business and improve profitability - that is way to much like intellectual heavy lifting for The Directorati. Attempting to take that route might expose their total inadequacy, people might see that the managerial emperor is mother naked.
@uhuznaa Re: "Well..." You are likely right.
The chances of Cupertino going to a five-incher as their primary smartphone are zero. I agree however that for many people something around the 4 inch or so mark appears to be the current accepted size and anything the Apple release is going to be in that ballpark.
Re: Even worse. God yes! Imagine working for Watneys in the sixties when.....
......… they were marketing "Red Barrel" if they had had that policy. Truly a fate worse than death.
Re: Mac Business Unit
I would guess that since the unit actually working on MS software for Macs would by definition need those machines in order to do their work they would of course be supplied with them on the company's dollar. What the "baristas" in sales and marketing might fancy is another issue entirely.
As a matter of curiosity.
Do we know what policy in this area at Mountain View or Cupertino is? I am genuinely curious - does anybody who posts here know?
@Nick Ryan. Re: "It's rare that I come across software that's so gob-smackingly awful....
.......that you're left in a gibbering state wondering just what the **** were the developers thinking?"
Erm, not that rare. Cyberlink Power DVD and iTunes come to mind immediately.
Re: and still
HTC's CEO commented in an interview recently that that was exactly their strategy from now on. Ie. More focus and fewer models going forward.
@AC 20th March 2012 17:31 Re: "if". If the company I worked for was headed up by a guy........
.............with these opinions:
"A harsh environment is a good thing", "Hungry people have especially clear minds" and "An army of one thousand is easy to get, one general is tough to find."
I'd start a frakking trades union, never mind join one.
Re: "got caught". It is very interesting indeed. It is not often we see any example..........
...........of "BigCorp" openly firing senior execs. They normally prefer them to leave quietly speaking about "the exciting new challenges they are going to and how much they have enjoyed their time at the company." Tightly clutching their golden goodbyes on the way out the door - natch. These two must have been very naughty indeed if Redmond decided that making a public example of them in this way was necessary/desirable. It is in fact pretty much a career-killer for both of them - I mean with all the implications behind the way they have left the company they are not going to find it very easy to get new positions, revolving door culture regardless.
"However, the backdown by Elsevier and Washington seems to have had little effect"
Delighted to hear it. As a research scientist my only comment on Elsevier is that they stink - for reasons already mentioned so I will not bother to repeat them.
"Got a smartphone? Then you're still at work"
I think that I have just discovered a user case for resurrecting my old Nokia candy-bar.
All I can say is that if the following is true..............
"That means the average American teenager awake from 7am until 10pm sends a text every 15 minutes."
...........then we need look no further for an explanation for why our cousins over the other side of the pond are so worried about their education system. In those circumstances how the fuck you would be able to concentrate on anything other than your shiney and your unbelievably important social interactions when you are at junior/senior high (allegedly getting an education) is beyond me. If, of course, these stats are anything other than complete and utter spherical objects.
Re: Don't see why the fuss
Indeed. Demos attract Murphy's imps like iron filings to a magnet - been there, done that, God help me!
Hold the front page! Beta version is buggy.
Pope, bears etc.
Re: Could be worse. Indeed, they could be intending to use 1980s hardware........
..........though the sight of the plods equipped with mobile phones the size and weight of the average building brick with about 45 min standby time would have a certain comedy value.
Re:"She's a standard model then, wouldn't you say?"
Re: No effect + No tunnel either
Yes, given that she was chosen by that continent-wide joke "I like 'em young Berlusconi", it is no surprise that she is several neutrinos short of a complete theory.
@PaulR79 "Re: Who paid". Indeed,the temptation to ask them when it............
...........will get it's ICS update would be irresistible!
@Paul_Murphy:Re. "We wants to work at Apple some day..........
.............Good luck to him."
Despite the fact that I and my good lady do not have a singe Apple product in the house (and have no desire to), I heartily agree - we wish him nothing but the best.
Re: the average queuer was packing £1,217 worth of electronics on them
According to several surveys a significant proportion of Apple's customers can, entirely fairly, be described as the "well heeled middle classes". In the US their main demographic (approx 50% of their customer base) are twenty to thirty something males living in households with a combined income of over $100,00 per annum. That being the case I am not at all surprised at the above figure.
Re: unlikely that
No, far too polite and rational. -:)
Re: It can't be easy... "Perhaps a visit to the pub could help..."
Then after several pints of full strength old goat botherer he'll feel as if he has actually been hit by an NEO.
Mobile phones cause ADHD in rodents?
Sorry, for some reason I couldn't quite follow the point with this article, kept getting distracted. What was that again?
".....tablet space with interest, but have made no specific announcements."
Corporate stonewalling, nothing else. I do not believe that their CEO opened his mouth recently by "accident" and nor do I believe that their chief designer opened his gob and "just let it slip". This is a fairly typical example in the business of a carefully calibrated "build up interest campaign" going into the spring. We can confidently expect the carefully placed "leaks/obscure video clips" in the course of the summer and the official announcement at Nokia's big "do" in September - I'll eat my old Nokia candybar pan-fried if it does not play out like that. They are simply doing what any company does and that is to do their best to play the media like a violin - and the media of course are very willing to oblige. Cynical, me? No not all - I'm the naive and trusting type.
There are a couple of little problems here for the Western companies' "sweatshop hopping".
1. As James 51 has already pointed out, where are they going to go when they run out of said sweatshops? The capacity to avoid keeping ahead of the game by ingenuity and innovation and rely instead on finding yet another cheap country is, in reality, finite.
2. What are they going to do about countries like, of course, China who now have some of their own companies (and they will increase in number) producing ever better kit who can still undercut Western producers because their wage rates although rising are still well under those in the West?
In sum, by only being interested in chasing the bottom line in the short term it is not unlikely that they are now going to find themselves thoroughly out-competed by the new and rising industrial countries.
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