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I am Arctic Fox
I fear that the El Reg subbies are being their usual mischevious selves with that subheading. The writing was very clearly on the wall for the PC market before Win 10 was even in beta and the first signs that the tablet market was slowing down had also been spotted (we are of course now seeing the same thing in the phone market ). Indeed that is entirely unsurprising. All markets reach maturity sooner or later and that is what we are seeing now. The refresh cycle in the private retail market is probably nearer 5 years than 3 and that is no surprise. Before the advent of the smartphone and the tablet the tech that the average person owned consisted of their home pc and the dumb-phone they carried with them. The situation you have now is that three major pieces of tech purchase are competing for the customers money - hardly surprising that the profile in these markets has changed.
Entirely agree. A most cogent point. I have added to your laurels, see icon.
I see that someone of very limited memory has down-voted me for stating a fact about Sammy borking Linux installs on some of their kit. Let me refer to an article published here at El Reg with the wonderful title:
"How to destroy a brand-new Samsung laptop: Boot Linux on it"
Sammy does not want you installing anything that they are not happy with. They certainly do not want you installing the latest Windows iteration on a older device of theirs when they want to sell you a shiny new one. A tactic that they use across the whole range of their devices. I have in fact a considerable respect for a good deal of their engineering. I do not, however, have any time for their "customer support" policies.
I think that you have forgotten that the way Sammy has implemented the EUFI BIOS in many of its pcs/laptops has meant that attempts to install Linux have resulted in many cases in a borked device.
hacking in and reprogramming every video channel to loop reruns of Red Dwarf I-X."
Oh the temptation!
Do not forget to give it a fancy new name like "photoplethysmography ". A word which I think, as a lover of the language of Shakespeare and Milton, ought to be thoroughly ashamed of itself. Choice of pedantic grammar Nazi icon? What else?
Pardon? What? Could you say that again, I suffer from Tintinitus.*
* I know, I should be shot for that pun, see icon.
Interestingly enough Amanfrommars writes beautiful English and is clearly of some considerable intelligence even though I usually (after having read one of his contributions) do not have a clue, in the end, what he is trying to communicate. I always read his postings when I see them in the forlorn hope that I may one day understand what he is trying to say to us (in saying that I am being serious, not taking the urine out of our compadre). Icke however, is just a nutter.
Do you remember the immortal line given to dear Kenneth Williams in the scene in that photograph?
"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me".
I live in a town well north of the Arctic Circle and I have tell you that you have stolen our local joke!
No he wasn't, he was just pining for the fjords. I know, I know, see icon.
Indeed, one of my and Madam Fox's favourites. One should not of course forget the option to roast the cojones off it, rip it to shreds and serve with Chinese pancakes, fine sliced vegetables and your favourite sauces. One of our favourite meals for high days and holy days.
Edit: Sorry old chap, read your post a bit too quickly. Thought you were talking about roasting whole but I now realise that we were talking about the same dish. I.e. Peking duck. We love it!
Indeed. Sometimes the lesson is, even for those of us who have no desire to harm anyone but just wish to protect our privacy, keep it simple where you can.
.....which os should one use if both android and iOS are (according to the article) to be avoided? I think we should be told.
"A separate company is set up in each country."
Indeed, they follow the model that the Corporate tax
evaders planners are careful to use.
Indeed Lester. It would not matter how efficient the Indian were or how reasonable their prices, there is not a cat's chance in hell that the US would outsource launches in that way. The Americans love Capitalism and the (we are not worthy, we are not worthy, we are not worthy) Free Market (cue angelic choir and so on and so forth) as long as they are not subjected to it externally as a nation. Their home grown capitalists adore the free market as long as they do not actually have to live with it at home (If one doubts that one just needs to take a look at their cable companies and their telcos).
..........I was never in any doubts that Kelly LeBrock would not have given me the time of day (sob).
...........dishonest, cost cutting, unimaginative arseholes who have never done anything more than ride on Redmond's coattails if they could possibly avoid doing anything else, hmm? I am not remotely defending Redmond but the OEMs are the pits on their own terms. The very idea of sympathising with them gives me the bends.
I.e. It involves thinking and analysis based on the article concerned. I am so piss tired of the usual anti-Redmond hatebois piling on and doing their best to completely derail the thread. As far as my own opinion is concerned I would suggest that MS have partly got it, "SatNad's" comments on various occasions seem to indicate that it is at least possible that they have begun to wake up. We will see whether or not they are willing to address various issues (e.g. privacy, "slurping" and control over updates) which although they resonate more with those of us who read this kind of site nonetheless have an important effect on the total image that an OS or a company have. Meanwhile thumbs up for a damn good post.
.....the poster to whom you are replying just loves poking our compadres with a sharp satirical stick. Carter may be his name but wind-ups are his game. :P
Whilst I would agree that it is not the most comforting picture I would however say that at least, in theoretical principal at any rate, the politicians are supposed to be answerable to us in a way that "BigCorp" is not, judicially or in practice. Simply giving up on democratic control because it is most often honoured in the breach rather than the observance is, IMHO, not an option - it is the council of despair. Though I will freely admit that I am not one of nature's optimists in the current climate.
Indeed, there is much that should concern us. We are in the middle of a paradigm shift without parallel in human history with regard to way in which we communicate with, and relate to, one another as a species. That one or two privately owned corporations may end up in control of a structure the outlines of which we can only now begin to see with such profound effects on human social evolution is frankly terrifying, regardless of which companies we are talking about. We are stumbling as a species into a massive change in our social, political and economic relationships without a clue about the outcome or how to control it and that, bluntly put, scares the shit out of me.
A virtual pint, a cuddly toy and the sliding doors to whoever gets the song that the subbie was referencing here. Well done Reg, that was genuinely funny.
....Romanians will bless the day. Or at least those that have any taste will.
Suggest old chap that you try more reasoned analysis and less ad hominem next time you post.
I for one would love them to try. I'm sure the Chinese authorities would welcome them with open arms. After all the Chinese are well known for their affection for companies that think that they can show the State the middle finger.
.......brain in the area concerned at any rate. See icon.
Indeed. My flabber has never been so gasted. How I am expected to get over the shock here I do not know. Who could have known? Choice of icon - what else?
On a slightly more serious note this makes a large contribution to revealing the FBI's fishing expedition for what it is. A totally unscrupulous attempt to create new judicial "facts on the ground". I am utterly convinced that their decision to go with this attempt to strong-arm Cupertino (and I am not one of the Fruity Company's fans, God knows) was an attempt to gain powers that have never been granted them by Congress and/or been tested in front of the "Supremes".
The fact that Obama's use of executive orders is relativley modest and has been hansomely beaten by a number of presidents (among them R. Nixon and G.W. Bush) will not remotely hinder the poster to whom you are replying from alleging that Obama's record on this is especially egregrious. However, your link will hopefully hinder any more of that kind of idiocy on this thread at least.
Well done "not Spartacus", a very coherent and well argued post. We need more of this type of thing. I do not entirely agree with your entire analysis but I have considerable regard for the way you have presented it. I am unfortunately short on time and am not in a position to reply in a way that would do your post justice but, all the same, thumbs up for this.
"Very sad losers get aroused fondling robots in their private areas". FIFY.
"Since Windows is their cash cow....."
Actually Doug 3 it isn't. They rake in way more with Office and increasingly their cloud products than they do with their OS. Windows itself is of importance to them as a strategic product but not in any huge direct degree as a financial product - hence their "free" strategy (including the continuous upgrade badgering). Nadella appears to have realised that the only strategy as far as open source/Linux is concerned is to apply the old saw (as Dr Syntax points out) "if you can't beat them, join them". After all both Gates and Ballmer tried the "beat them" tactic and we all know how successful that was. Redmond's ambitions in the cloud are impossible to realise without a complete rethink of their former attitudes towards Linux specifically and open source in general. It would appear that "SatNat" may have taken this on board. Certainly if they do not then their ambitions with regard to "mobile and cloud" are, in the medium to long term, unrealisable and frankly speaking, risible.
Battery life anyone?
Indeed. I think an extended stay in the scorpion pits is in order.
Very interesting. Have you spoken to AmanfromMars recently? If you have please give him my very best regards.
Indeed. My eyeballs started to bleed when I read that subheading. I don't normally do the grammar nazi schtick but what in the name of Deity was wrong with "Cue warnings of repercussions...."? Much more of this and El Reg' subbies are going to cost me a fortune in in eyewash and tranquillizers.
As I remarked earlier on this thread I am running a 640XL and a 640 on Win 10. I am not having any problems at all but people I read on other threads have real issues (with the same phones). What is going on here is something of a mystery. Nice to hear that you are enjoying your 950 BTW. ☺
I am running the current Insider Build on a 640XL (my daily driver) and a 640 (my backup). I am not currently experiencing any problems although others on various threads with the same phones have a different story to tell. My impression is that the roll out is due to begin in Europe, at any rate, in the coming weeks.
As in, where is it El Reg? You just quote one side on this one? Poor stuff, only saved by several well taken points BTL.
The Four Horsemen are already riding. Its the end of days I tell you, its the end of days!
"Suppose the fine for a bank robbery was = the money stolen, less wear and tear on shotguns, stocking depreciation etc."
........of Apple's excuse.
"All of which Apple appears to accept, except they say that they did it for the benefit of the market — that grabbing some power back from Amazon reduces the main monopoly seller, rather than artificially empowering the monopoly producers."
What they in practice appear to have argued is that "we were doing everyone a favour by breaking the law" - because there is no possible doubt that they were in breach of anti-trust laws. I wonder how far we mere mortals would get with that argument in court!
You don't see the difference in degree this time? If this is true then MS are intending to lock out of the Windows pc market every independent software producer on the face of the planet. The only exceptions being those they choose to grant access. This would make their behaviour in nineties (major league shitty as it was) pale in comparison. I would also remind you that the European competitions authorities have not shown themselves to be completely toothless with regard to undertakings given by Redmond. You recall when MS fucked up over the browser choice page for the European version of Windows? Ballmer had, metaphorically if not literally, to ring the competition commisioner on his bended knees. It did not matter how much MS protested that it was a mistake, they still got slapped with a huge fine. I repeate, competition authorities all over the face of the planet will go beserk if Redmond tries this. This would be in fact an order of magnitude worse than their conduct in the nineties.
UWPs involve the desktop market where Windows still has a (roughly) 90% "market dominant position". If Redmond attempted to do this the DoJ in the US and the European competition authorities would be all over them. The DoJ in the States would charge MS with anti-trust violations in no seconds flat.
Let us say, as a working hypothesis that, roughly speaking, Win 10 traffic doubles at the weekends and indicates a market penetration of the retail sector of somewhere between 25 and 30% in the US market as indicated by the graph of the US government's figures. If we then also accept (again, roughly speaking, as a hypothesis) that the ballpark figures provided by Netmarketshare and StatCounter are a reasonable indication of reality as far as the overall average for the combined retail and enterprise markets then the implication is that Win 10's penetration of the enterprise market at present is approximately half that of the overall average. With Netmarketshare's figure for February at at just under 13% and StatCounter's figure at just under 15% this suggests that the degree of penetration of the enterprise market is in the range 6 - 8 %-age points (again, in the US market). These figures (if they reflect reality) would seem to suggest that at this stage in the release cycle of a new Windows interation the figures are, from Redmond's point of view, respectable (given that enterprise always adopts at a much slower rate that private customers and we are only 6 months or so into this release cycle). However, the coming 12 months will be key. If we do not see an enterprise share of about 15 - 20 %-age points in a year's time then Redmond has a problem.
.......Once achieved it can then upload them to the internet."
You do realise that the image of Mr Dabbs' testicles being removed al dente and then uploaded to the internet is going to haunt me for years and may cause serious psychological damage? I have already booked time with my GP as a precautionary measure. You will be receiving my medical bills ongoing.
It is indeed richly ironic that the anal retentive control freaks of the American security/Homeland defence industry (and it is indeed an industry) are apparently bent on destroying one of the last areas in which the USA still has a very clear lead over the rest of the world. Bill Clinton's advisor in an earlier presidential election who posted "it's the economy stupid" was simply repeating old advice. Never mind your military it is your economy that keeps you a major player. It is mindbending that America's "defenders" apparently wish to take measures that will hasten the decline of the USA as a major power. It is not all about how many guns and rockets you have guys, wakey wakey!
Actually I think that most people these days buy a new machine when they need a new machine. The conventional pc-market has been heading south for some considerable time. I think that HP need to reexamine the excuses they are making for themselves. Currently, AFAIK, the only growth in the pc-market in general is in the area of "2-in-ones", "hybrids" and the like. If HP's main effort is still in knocking out boxes and expecting us to buy them then they should perhaps reevaluate their strategy.
Point of fact correction. The stylus is bundled with the Surface Pro. The rest of the sentence is correct.