2193 posts • joined 6 Nov 2009
Re: "Isn't it easier" Oh dear.
Re: "Why?" Hmm. Famliar style - is that you Barry?
In fact this program resolves two issues for those who do not have a touch screen or wish to work primarily in desktop even if they do. Not only does one have a very familiar start menu but the pc default boots to desktop when you restart or shut down and restart (I have very recently installed it and tested it myself). As far as the rest of the operating system goes for desk top users it is in fact somewhat faster and more efficient than Win7. Having said that of course, if one has a good Win7 install that one is happy with and touch interactions are not relevant then there is not an amazingly strong case for upgrading. However, don't let facts get in the way and spoil your enjoyment of your membership of the Anti Microsoft Choral Howling Society.
@Rampent Spaniel Re:"These are the same patents Android handset makers pay.........
............MS for already. MS can bring something to the table so Apple plays ball with them."
That is precisely why, IMHO, Cupertino are taking the risk of proving to have been Redmond's useful idiots come the Autumn when MS enter table space for the first in any serious sense. Until Apple started its litigation war against Android Redmond was facing a war on two fronts (although not a land war in South East Asia :-P) against two major already existing competitors in that particular market place. What Apple has potentially done is at the very least partially lame Android in advance of these events and ensure that to a greater extent than would otherwise have been the case they'll be going head to head alone with Redmond and its senior OEMs such as Samsung (!), Lenovo, Asus etc. Thanks to Apple it is entirely possible that Redmond will have considerably less effective competition from Android in tablet space in the coming year or so and will be able to focus to a greater extent than they otherwise would have been on going up against the iPad and iOS. I do not claim, of course, that this is any certain prediction of the likely fallout from Cupertino's lawyering but the "Law of Unintended Consequences" being what it is, their cunning strategy may turn out to have more than just a touch of the Baldrick about it.
@Turtle RE: The USA patent system is a disgrace
The fact that Apple continue to fund the departments in their company that you refer to does not change the fact the their corporate focus (that intangible is more important than many are willing to credit) has been substantially distracted. It is no coincidence that the work that led to the first iPhones (crucially the two "3" iterations) and later the first iPad occurred before Mr Jobs/Apple got distracted by his hatred of the Android os. I was, as I am sure you noticed referring to what we may see from here on in.
With regard to my use of the word "abuse" I would think that what I was referring to was rather obvious. When a company use the law in order to attempt, in practice, to create a de facto monopoly then it can only be regarded as abuse of the law's intention if not its current letter. If this decision is upheld on appeal Apple will start to go after the other Android OEMs and judging by the outrageous demands (revealed in court filings) that they subjected Samsung to as the price for "licensing" the net effect will be to reinforce their attempts to gain the aforementioned monopoly control. That the parlous state of US IP law permits this kind of tactic does not make it any less abusive.
Re: The USA patent system is a disgrace
It most certainly is. Apple no doubt believe that they have been handed personal ownership of mobile tech space gift-wrapped. The consequences of this decision may however not end up being quite what Cupertino are expecting. Tablet space is going to get rather more complicated in the Autumn - who are they going to start suing then? Their rival then will be the "auld enemy", do Apple think perhaps that the same legal tactics will work against Redmond? This "victory" may turn out to be something very different from what they imagine. They have spent the last two - three years or so focused on abusing the judicial system to avoid competition instead of focusing on development and innovation in order to keep ahead of their rivals by that means. They may very well discover that they pay a considerably higher price for that than they had anticipated.
Re:"If the royal family can't figure it out for themselves........"
The Norwegian royal family are, as far as their tech is concerned, ordinary punters like millions of other ordinary punters with regard to their knowledge/understanding of the tech. They are none of them techies, professional or amateur. In common with the rest of the aforementioned millions of ordinary punters they know fuck all about that side of their shinies. That does not make them anything other than average punters with an average punter*s understanding of their smartphones. Norwegian security however are most definitely supposed to know about such things.
Re: "On a WP8 device."
It would be tempting, hmm?
Re: "Meh - havn't they had too many chances already?" Thank you old chap............
.......don't call us, we'll call you.
Re:" as it provides stimulus for the companies that make your device "
I fear that anyone who posts that kind of garbage is incapable of appreciating your point.
I am curious.
Why on earth have you got yourself into such a state that you actually are cheering the possiblility that Nokia might go down the Swanee? What has the company done to you or yours that you feel impelled to log on and excrete that kind of steaming odoriferous rubbish? Just to give one example, my lady and I to not have a single item of Apple kit in the house - do you see me logging on here howling "Apple must die"? Get a life.
Re: So what?
Indeed, exactly my point.
"So far, Google employees have raised more than $263,000 for Barack Obama's 2012 reelection campaign, Reagan says, and Microsoft employees have chipped in another $363,000."
Unless he is claiming that S. Ballmer and L. Page accompanied by their respective boards personally go round Redmond or Mountain View shaking collection tins under their employee's noses murmuring "nice job you've got there, shame if you lost it" then work-place collections (for whatever reason) are scarcely new or unprecedented. What he in reality appears to be complaining about is that a certain proportion of individual Americans donate to a political party he does not like. Funny how those who shout loudest about patriotism in US politics refuse to recognise those rights and freedoms that they boast about when they are exercised by fellow US citizens whose politics the barking wing of the Fox News Party don't like.
Re: "Here's a thought regarding NSFW" Ever thought that someone in IT support might.........
............check out a hardware review for professional work related reasons?
Re: "barred from using Facebook for two years" Yes, yes, please Judge - give me life!
......see title. :-)
@Wayland Sothcott 1 " should be kept quiet" No, nobody is saying any such thing.
What one is saying is that one has to accept that "freedom of speech" has consequences if you misuse it. If you howl (falsely) "fire" in crowed cinema you have not exercised freedom of speech, you have been a total slag, end of.
@sabba Re:"Of course you have the right"
The shouting of "fire" in a cinema example is classically used to illustrate the limits on free speech contra responsibility for ones actions. The point with the example is somebody shouting "fire" as a practical joke when they have no reason to believe that there is in fact a fire. Under those circumstances they might well cause a panic in which people are injured or killed. That is the point with that "parable" - and no, you do not have the right to abuse free speech in that way. Saying that you would have to answer for your actions in the aftermath if it was a false alarm and you had caused injury or death would be of no help to the victims of the "joker's" sense of humour.
@AC 22nd Aug 00.22 RE "Poetic justice" The issue of where one draws the line.........
.......is a complex one and not easy to define. Once one accepts that there have got to be some restrictions (your example with regard to falsely shouting "fire" in a cinema) one then enters very contentious territory and the subject demands perhaps rather more than we can give it on a thread like this. However, I can at any rate give you an unreserved thumbs up for your last line.
Poetic justice would be for for every woman in Australia to pass around photos of these two blokes, marked Do Not Root.
Apart from being extremely entertaining it would indeed be justice in this instance.
@AC 22nd Aug 13.39 "Apple are a corporate and do not care a thing about you"
Exactly. One of the biggest laughs I have had in recent years was when Mr S Jobs said at a press conference during the "antenna-gate" affair "we love our customers". He managed to deliver that line without cracking up and laughing - all hail to him, the master marketeer that he was. However, that is the point, no example of "BigCorp" loves their customers, they love our wallets - nothing else.
Re: Cram it down their throats
As far as tablets are concerned MS are in no position to "cram" anything down the customer's throats nor yet violate them. They are after all entering a market where they have, in practice, zero presence and will be facing two powerful and well established competitors - hmm? Or had you not noticed that?
@Nate Amsden Re: "1-2% of PC shipments" As far as Win RT goes I'm.........
.........with "Mikel" (a few posting below) as far as "nobody knows" is concerned. I literally do not have a clue how the domestic consumer market are going to react to that version whether on "Surface" or devices from other OEMs. However, I have a gut feeling that the x86 Win 8 Surface may do pretty well in the enterprise market, better in fact than some people appear to think. That of course is just my guess. :-)
Re: It would be interesting to see
"How well this scales up when there is a wide area disaster (like 9/11) and multiple companies are trying to pull tons of data at once."
I think we are inventing a whole new context and definition for the word "disaster" here. Particularly if the physical catastrophe also leads to one of those "chaotic"* multiple collapse events in the cloud systems being accessed. I just have a gut feeling that we are creating a whole new experience in vulnerable infrastructure with, potentially, global ramifications that are not yet properly appreciated.
*"Chaotic" in the "butterfly over the rainforest" sense of the word.
Re: "does not invalidate the rest of their statement." With respect I did not say that it.........
........invalidated that which he had written prior to the final paragraph*, I said "wreck any constructive-debate impact". In other words he, by that means, put a lot of people off who might otherwise have felt more well disposed towards his arguments. I am am assuming of course that one wishes to persuade rather than simply vent ones spleen?
*I in fact said "I to some extent felt that you had a point"
You were presenting your case legitmately (& effectively from your point of view)...........
......and I to some extent felt that you had a point. Right up until you wrote this:
"..............that this douchebag whose life is paid for by grants and an inflated professor's salary can sit on his largely detached from reality high horse, thanks."
Ad hominem attack combined with personal abuse. What happened? You were doing quite well up until that point. All you succeeded in doing was wreck any constructive-debate impact your posting might have had.
Re: "As an Apple fan I'd just like to say..." I think that you will find that the ones doing........
........the laughing are Apple and their major shareholders. Now, who might they be laughing at, hmm?
RE:".....so that the rock shot first..." No, no, that's not how they'll do it.
First the Pentagon will release a statement claiming independent evidence suggests that the rock was armed. Then there will be counter-claims that the rock was trying to surrender. Off the record briefings will then allege that the rock shot first rapidly followed by the investigating team being unable to find any sign that the rock had weapon at all. The White House will then announce an inquiry whilst senior Republican senators denounce the President for being soft on rocks.
RE: ".....first shuttle launch when I was young....." God, that makes me feel old.
I remember Gagarin landing when I was young. :-P
@AC 19th Aug. 00.38 Re: "Google impurifying media's........."
Thank you very much indeed. It is always pleasant when somebody replies in a constructive fashion to a posting where the poster concerned openly admits that he may have not understood the reference without exercising their wit and wisdom at the hapless poster's expense. I much appreciated the extra clues in "POE, OPE" - strange the holes one discovers in ones education - hmm? :-)
"Google impurifying media's........."
"Impurifying"? Pardon? I sincerely hope that that is some form of satire or humorous meme that I have not understood, if not see icon.
Re: "symbian, actually"
Indeed :-). However, I assume that he thought that he had just posted a brilliant satirical comment. It may eventually dawn on the poster concerned that effective satire requires a bit of intelligence rather than heavy handed sarcasm.
Re: "Idea" The idea is entirely workable and would suit many, if not you.
Where I live here up the Arctic arse end of nowhere the post office came up (a few years ago now) with the concept (literally translated) "post in the shop". In practice large numbers of local shops all over Norway contract with the Norwegian post office to provide basic postal services and, yes, function as a parcel delivery point. The system works very well. In our case it means that we can collect our parcels etc by walking roughly 200 meters.
Re: "Now I really want to know..." .........who his favourite singer is...........
Answer: Max Bygraves.
Well I'm hoping she'll just whisper the word...........
.........Phaser in his ear next time.
Re: "I assume you mean MS, who are based in, err Seattle."
Oh please old chap, don't do that. The "Cognoscenti" do not like/do logic or facts. Indeed, they hate being subjected to either.
As in "I got as sensible as a sack last night." -:P
Re: "Are you having a stroke"
"After reading a couple of times, it appears that you're saying that Microsoft just released a Samsung tablet that runs Android. And that the 'Windows Fanboi Fun Police" will downvote it."
Not too mention that the poster appears to be dissing the Doctor. Burn the heretic!
Re: "Handwriting to text anyone?" A more general point in this context occurs to me.
The issue of choice, preference and context as far as how we interact with our devices is concerned. It is surely the case now that with the developments in both hardware and software that both medium to high-end devices should be "competent" as far as all these forms of interaction are concerned. We really ought to be getting to the stage where our mobile kit is something we can direct/control by talking to it, touching it, writing on it and (when we need to) docking it in order to use a keyboard/mouse combination - and that all these options should be present in fully developed form. It really ought to be standard on decent kit that we can fully interact with it by all these means on one and the same device. This would permit the individual to use their own preferred mix of ways of interacting dependent on preference, capacity and context. Such an approach would "humanise" our mobile tech in the sense that the machine would be obliged to accept the owner's choice of input rather than forcing a particular form of input on the owner. Given that there is a strong trend within mobile tech towards the MRCK ("MultiRoleCombatKit" -:P) approach it is surely desirable for the user to have the widest, most comfortable and efficient range of interaction options for the range of uses/situations that the kit is subjected to.
Handwriting to text anyone?
I honestly don't know whether this kit does anything like that but it would be a useful alternative to the virtual keyboard for many I think. Plenty of people are very uncomfortable with a virtual keyboard (I'm happy with them but that's another issue) and being able to input text as fast as you can (literally) write* would be a boon for quite a lot of people.
*I seem to remember something about the x86 version of the "Surface" having that facility. Something about the software being able to ignore your hand resting on the screen whilst you write. Anyone know/remember any more?
"......analysts were expecting Surface devices running Windows RT to retail for $599"
The analysts were talking bollocks then and the rumour mongers are talking bollocks now. The $599 price tag was way to high unless MS wanted to cut their own throats by overpricing and the $199 is way too low unless MS want to etc etc..... $299 I could pretend to believe. Glad to see that the author is equally sceptical.
Re: "That's PC World knackered then"
We can always hope!
Re:"Expect lots of furious customers........."
Only customers buying from retailers who are themselves too stupid to drill into their sales people that they must make sure that they explain to the customer that those tablets (Win RT) only run apps from MS' app store (something you can after all articulate in one sentence). Retailers who fail in something so basic can expect and will thoroughly deserve a large amount of earache from their punters because it will be them the customers come back to in the first instance.
Re: "Yawn" You are clearly horribly dissapointed that Acer is not on the list.
Hold the front page! Acer make something that is not *totally* pants.
........Apologies if I appear less than enthused but, as others have pointed out, this is neither one thing nor the other and is not particularly good at anything. Yes, the price is not too bad but what is one supposed to say? "It's ok, it's not a complete dog and they are not completely taking the piss as far as the price is concerned". This kind of thing just illustrates why Acer's CEO was getting way to big for his boots when he began to howl the other day about MS' decision to market some of its own hardware. Indeed it sums up why MS are making the "Surface" in the first place.
@Mark: Good points.
Given that in smartphone space Android was and is the only significant rival to iOS.........
..........then Apple's "offer" was in effect a demand that Samsung get out of the smartphone business. If Apple wins this one against Samsung, the most heavyweight of the Android OEMs, then they will simply repeat the same tactic against all the rest. If we did need any more evidence that Cupertino want to use the current appalling state of patent law to ensure that they basically own mobile tech space then we need look no further than this offer.*
*Another point that occurs is that the cross-licensing deals that MS has been signing with world+wife+dog may have additional reasons than solely their fairly obvious desire to take a bite out of Google's lunch. It is entirely possible that they are also concerned that the degree of hubris now evident in Cupertino's behaviour may lead to attempts to attack OEMs making Win 8 tablets - one possible reason for collecting as much IP as possible.
@Cabroni: Given that it was obvious that I had used the term ad hominem ....
..........(rather loosely I grant you) to denote an attack on the person I think that you could have saved yourself the bother of posting that. After all, an ad hominem attack is an attempt to negate someone else's argument by ascribing a negative characteristic to the person making that argument thus attacking the person not his case, I feel that calling somebody a "muppet" rather than answering his post certainly falls within that general area. Indeed it bears a strong conceptual resemblance to postings where the poster corrects the spelling or grammar etc. of the post rather than actually answering the case that has been put. What is your opinion BTW concerning posters who insult other posters whilst hiding behind an AC icon?
Re:"Read the link muppet."
I cannot tell you how deeply impressed we all are with posters who fire off ad hominem insults whilst hiding behind an AC icon.
Re: "Seems like a bad idea to me" You owe me a keyboard DDH!
@Peter Stone Re: "I remember the first transmission." Me too.
Indeed. The world of instant communication/information that we are all immersed in today (for better or worse) is very different from the world we grew up in - certainly in the socio-psychological sense, for want of a better expression. -:)
Re: power consumption/processing power equation is an interesting point
I believe so. I think that (judging by Intel's roadmap for 2013 and what we know about ARM's near future plans) we are approaching a genuine paradigm shift in personal computing where the small mobile devices (smartphones, tablet pcs etc) will genuinely have the kind of processing/relatively heavy lifting capacity that has hitherto only been available on larger devices. This of course is being driven further by the ever increasing pressure to deliver that processing/graphics power for ever lower battery demand. We may, in the course of 2013, actually begin to see the outlines of the so-called "post-pc world" now that the hardware is rapidly beginning to catch up with media hype. One key indicator will (IMHO) be to what extent the "hybrid" device really catches on in genuinely mass market terms. Your smartphone/tablet plus dock and external monitor+keyboard+mouse at your (home)office desk - or unship it and you are good to go. If something like that catches on amongst a lot of punters then we really will be in a new ball game*.
* My assumption here is of course that your average punter will not wish to be "confined" to one device unless he/she can interact with it by other means that purely touch.
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