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Re: Hahaha, the angry fat chair-throwin beancounter finally lost it..
Actually "the angry fat chair-throwin beancounter" pegged “sweet spot” prices at $300 to $800 in that interview recently did he not? I'd say that Asus' prices here (if this leak is genuine) don't exactly fall within that, hmm?
@Ye Gads Re: "In fairness" I agree. I think that I would also add something that some.........
............people are ignoring in their eagerness to lay all the blame (if these leaks are connected to reality) on Redmond and their license fee. In their desire to howl that it is all MS' fault and (apparently) excuse the OEMs for refusing to wake up and smell the coffee as far as pricing is concerned they are conveniently "forgetting" what the OEMs did when the first Android tablets were launched. There is of course no license fee attached to Google's offering - that did not stop the OEMs charging the most horrendous prices for those tablets. Just to give two examples: Have we forgotten what HTC tried to charge for the "Flyer" or what Samsung wanted for its first 7 incher? They wanted way more than Apple were charging then for the iPad FFS! The fact of the matter is when it comes to totally unrealistic pricing the OEMs need no help from Redmond, they have a form-sheet a mile long. The Window's license is not any explanation or excuse for their behaviour - they are perfectly capable of grotesquely overcharging whether they are paying for a license or not. The very slow start that the Android tablets had the first year or so after launch was directly due IMHO to the braindead refusal of the OEMs to recognise that they simply cannot get away with these kinds of prices. One can certainly argue that MS should reduce its license fee (and I would not disagree with that for one moment) however, even if they did I fear that based on past form the OEMs would at the outset simply pocket the difference themselves.
Re: "I want to see an experiment"
You would never get it past the essex committee. You know, the committee that likes to say "nae, yor avin me on".
Where I live up the Arctic arse-end of nowhere it appears to be the annual rite of passage.......
...........for the local great tit clutch to fly into our kitchen window at least once whilst they are learning what that strange see-through stuff is. We have never yet found a body on the terrace though, they just seem to land, stagger around a bit for a while and then fly off. Our nickname for them is the flying circus, usually six, seven members - crazy as larry and great source of pleasure and amusement.
Re: "Mine's the one with the funny looking phone I found in the pub last week"
I'd be careful about that if I were you. You could end up with your house being ransacked by a team that includes people from A Famous Mobile Phone Company pretending to be police officers.
@Andy Farley: What I find entertaining about reading this thread it noticing............
..............that some people really are "satire-dyslexic", they do not recognise it even when it is about as subtle as a lump hammer. The righteous indignation, the fury, the total incomprehension. I got past the first paragraph with the article filed in my head under "Reg Wind-ups" (other than of course that the shortage could in reality be artificial).
A small correction.......
......................"The prediction has been issued by WitlessView".
Regardless of the nature of the prediction or whom it seems to benefit this sort of analysis is worthless - it is indeed worse than guesswork.
Re: "Enough" As far as the start button is concerned I agree.
I have not had any problems navigating within desktop at all. In fact as a desktop os it is extremely nippy. However, I do have two issues that concern me. The most important one from my point of view is that the default does not permit you to boot directly to the UI of your choice. I have installed Classic Shell to deal with precisely that issue - not because I was that bothered about having the traditional start menu. The second issue as far as I am concerned is the lack of genuine customisation of the touch UI in terms of it's appearance. In terms of its functionality it works extremely well (even on the crappy Acer W500 I have installed it on) but it looks like something you puked up after several cans of special brew and a curry vindaloo. The first issue is readily sortable - the visual meme however will ensure that even on a new tablet (when I get one) I will only go to the start screen when I absolutely have to in order to launch an app. Despite the foaming from the gold card members of the Anti Microsoft Choral Howling Association it is a very good os under the bonnet. However MS are going to have to something about allowing the punter (who after all will be parting with fairly serious wonga for one of these devices or if he/she is buying a conventional box) to choose their default boot and have some real control over the appearance of the default home screen.
What's not to like if you are a MS employee?
You get a buckshee Win8 Pro Surface (the hardware looks very nice), you install Classic Shell so that you can choose which UI it boots to (and you get the start menu back if you want it). When you are at the desk at home, dock it, connect it to an external screen and you've got quite a decent home office pc. When you are on the move use the touch ui with your eyes closed - simple. :P
Re: "Actually" Give it time. When the demand for the 4S starts to drop significantly............
.............the price will follow. Are you sure you couldn't consider a GSII? A snip at around £325 :P
A slight correction which applies to all who engage in this type of behaviour regardless..........
"El Reg advises anyone sad enough to chance it to dress warmly, wear sensible shoes, and pack a lunch. In fact, breakfast might be a good idea, too. ®"
.............of which company we are talking about.
Re: Hoping for deals on the 4S
Just taking a look at the relative price difference (currently) between the "4" and the "4S" it suggests that when things settle down a while after the launch of the "5" you might be lucky and see the 4S around the £350 mark for the 16Gb version. If of course your good lady really wouldn't consider a GSII 16Gb for around £325? :P
"Your correspondent has a parenting-related reason to get to a local Apple store...........
" ......................when the phones go on sale, so we'll drop in to see what transpires. ®"
We believe you, thousands wouldn't, but we believe you. :-P
Re: "New customers" Careful, if you display too much of that kind of intelligence and common.......
...........sense your chances of achieving a lucrative career as an analyst will be zero - those companies do not appear to have much time for employing people who show any signs of joined thinking.
If I ruled the world every day would be the first day of spring and..................
..............on the second day all the
lying snakeoil salesmen analysts would be lined up against a wall and shot. I am so piss tired of reading the largely totally useless and usually wholly inaccurate spewing of this bunch of overpaid crystal ball fiddlers that I do not know where to begin to express my feelings on the subject. <rant over>
Re: A reference only likely to be significant to people................"
I freely admit that I had the advantage of having a Norwegian mother who told me those tales in Norwegian (I was born and grew up in England) when I was a very little chap. She actually had a second edition of Asbjørnsen and Moe's collection of folk-tales which she read from to me. I will admit that at that age I occasionally felt sorry for the troll who usually was made a fool or came to a sticky end.
Re:"A reference only likely to be significant to people................"
Also just about every child in Norway, Sweden and Denmark where is has been a much loved fairy tale for a very long time. In Norway (where it is believed to have originated) it is known as "De tre bukkene Bruse" and belonged to the oral tradition being first set down in writing in the early 1840s by Peter Christen Asbjørnsen and Jørgen Moe. Indeed it is generally regarded as one of the most popular and well known fairy tales in the Germanic language group's (basically covers most of Northern and Western Europe) entire folk-tale canon.
Re:"people who are nice and people who are ars*holes."
I agree with what the author is saying about the pointlessness/undesirability of the suggested legislation against trolling in general and I agree up to a point with what you have posted. I would simply point out that in real life arseholes are generally a little more cautious about what they say, when they say it and to whom - after all a smack in the mouth is not a very pleasant experience even for trolls. My personal reaction to the seriously nasty kind of trolling we sometimes see on the net is a strong feeling of contempt for the cowardice these arseholes display. I am not sure I feel like having to get "used to" some pig commenting on someone from my family who has just died (referred to in the article). I would not demand legislation, of course not. However, "used to it"? No, I feel no such inclination and if the identity of troll concerned were known to me and he came within in hand's reach he might very well discover just how "unused to it" I am prepared to feel.
"Samsung and Nokia may not feel they’ve been leapfrogged.......
.....................in the way they have been by some Apple unveils"
They have absolutely no need to feel that way because they haven't - at all. However, it remains to be seen what happens in the market place. This Autumn promises to be very interesting indeed.
@AC 13th Sept 2012 09:13 GMT "I just wish they wouldn't force it on us everywhere"
Try "Classic Shell" from Sourceforge, it's free. (El Reg took a look at it and liked what they saw):
It gives you the start-menu and moreover its default setting (which can be changed) ensures that it boots directly to desk-top. As a desktop os it's pretty good - very nippy. As far as the touch-ui performance in the functional sense goes (as different from its appearance which I freely confess reminds me of a Barrett's Liquorice Allsorts Christmas Collection as far as the colours are concerned) I think that reserving judgement until we have actually had some time with kit optimised for Win8 and multitouch might be an idea. I have it installed on a (crappy) Acer W500 and even on that the touch ui appears to work decently, but, and it's a big but, it's how it actually performs on the new kit that is the question.
@NorthernCoder Re:"I for one prefer my herrings pickled. Accompanied by Skåne Akvavit."
Ah yes, now we are talking. Sursild, sennepsild, tomatsild and any number of other delicious local recipes/versions - and they don't stink! I have say though that my choice of beverage to go with them is Trondheim Jubileum Akvavit (ice cold for my personal preference), the combination with the aforementioned delicacies is "snadder" as they say up here.
Re: "A tin should be opened in a bucket of water to stop it spitting in your eye. "
Pardon? It should be opened in a glovebox under argon - unless you wish to trigger a bio-weapons alert.
Rubbish, that stuff is for wossies.
"Lutefisk" is the real deal. (Basically rotten cod treated with sodium hydroxide). Once tasted, never forgotten.
@Steve Evans "Re:headline"
Given that the iPhone5 has been launched most of half a year later than the SGIII it does in fact partly explain why Cupertino is so worried. The specs etc of Sammy's offering make it look as if it was in fact the other way around and the SGIII was the newer phone. One gets that impression that Apple are beginning to fall behind a bit. It's still a very nice high end phone but it most certainly does not stand out of the pack any more.
Re:"Why would you stick a brand new, bloated OS on a low-power cpu? "
The tablet version of Clover trail can (although dual core) can under certain tasks "emulate" a quad core cpu. It is in fact rather more powerful than previous atoms (although I admit that would not be hard) and significantly less battery demanding. Other criticisms of Win8 to one side, bloated it certainly is not. It is in fact respectably more power efficient and noticeably nippier than Win7. You have of course tried it on a tablet yourself that was previously running Win7 so you could make a direct comparison, just like I have?
The last leaked road map I saw..............
................implied middle of 2013 some time.
"At some point in the future - Intel's not saying precisely when - a new architecture produced at 22nm will be introduced to supersede it. The new tablet-centric version is codenamed Bay Trail. ®"
If they are not talking about a die shrink of Clover trail first followed by a architecture change with Bay trail, it implies a new architecture combined with a die shrink in one hit. If the leaks are within hailing distance of reality that combination of tick and tock will deliver a hell of a jump in both processing and graphics as well as a very big improvement in power efficiency.
Re: "Are a million one-cymbal monkeys louder than one one-cymbal monkey?"
Are we talking a ZenPhone here?
@Passive Smoking Re:"One of those retro 70s ones with the big chunky 9 digit keypad......."
Ah I see. You're planning to wait until the iPhone 6 comes out.
Upvote delivered - I agree entirely.
Your utter inability to understand that Lewis is taking the piss.......
........big time amuses the hell out of me. By the way old chap, which phone are you planning to rush out and buy very shortly?
Re: "XP was as secure as you wanted it to be" I agree, with the reservation that we are........
............talking about XP after SP1, and particularly after SP2. IMHO XP before those service packs was as buggy, unstable and insecure as all get out. After those SPs it became (for its time) a very fine os - it served me well at any rate for many years thereafter (Pro version).
For one horrified moment I read the subheading as...........
............."SP1 beta increases iTunes integration".
This is going to be a very interesting Autumn. Nokia, Samsung and Apple all entering.........
............the ring at approximately the same time. EE are going to be offering the GSIII LTE and the Lumia 920. At the same time of course the iPhone5 will be coming out. I think it's time to get a few sixpacks, and some popcorn in.
I am not surprised you posted that as an AC.
Re: "Expensive" If what one wants first and foremost is accurate dictation/voice command......
................rather than the full-song-with-choruses integrations provided by the premium version then the "Home" edition is fine and reasonably good value for money. It also occurs to me that as tablets get more powerful it might be a useful facility on an x86 tablet for knocking off a (relatively) large amount of text input when on the move without the painful experience of trying to do that scale of input via a virtual keyboard. Something like Sammy's 11 inch "Slate" series or the Surface Pro should cope perfectly well with a program like this. A combination of voice and a modern stylus, for example, could be very effective indeed. Being able to choose how one interacts with a piece of kit (as the kit is now getting way more powerful than it was) whether it's voice, touch, stylus or keyboard/mouse or any permutation thereof that suits may produce some very interesting developments in the way we actually use our devices.
Re: "Creepy" Yes, it is. I am not entirely certain what it is about this tech that...........
...........makes my skin crawl but it does.
"It's clear malware writers are still concentrating on men with prurient interests"
Re: "For a moment there..." Yep, the Force de Frappe took off on De Gaulle's.........
........orders and nuked Mars from orbit some time in the late sixties. They've been covering up ever since.
I want a proper tinfoil hat icon.
"What would Heisenberg’s position be?"
There or thereabouts.
Nokia do deserve a good smack for letting that one out.
However, as has been pointed out by the author the kit actually sustains the claims - luckily for our Finnish comprades. The result, deserved or not, is likely to be that (within limits) "there is no such thing as bad publicity". In that sense I am almost tempted to done my tinfoil hat and accuse Nokia of "faking the faking" in order to generate publicity. You can see how it would work. You shoot the ad, get "caught", apologise and then say "oh, by the way we can in fact justify these claims". If I was into wearing the aforementioned headgear.
Re: "Smartphone + Internet Radio + Speakers" Yep - charging dock with speakers, sorted.
Indeed, that as well. I was just thinking that the OEMs should themselves get their thumbs out from where ever they have hidden them!
Re: "Smartphone + Internet Radio + Speakers" Yep - charging dock with speakers, sorted.
........always supposing the audio manufacturers can be arsed to produce something that connects with more phones than just the iP!@! ffs. In fact the likes of Samsung, Nokia etc should be doing that kind of thing as peripherals for their phones.
Re: "Utterly absurd !!" I agree and furthermore.......
...........I do not understand why the Editor's Choice includes a major facility that you can only use if you own one particular brand of smartphone. That would be fair enough if we were doing a round-up of dedicated smartphone peripherals/partner equipment but we aren't. The moment you are not an owner of that particular brand the Editor's choice goes from (very) mediocre value for money to truly appalling.
@Lusty Re: "........that it's because they sell across all price points..............."
The implication of your argument is that the OEMs concerned have only themselves to blame for wishing to sell smartphones to people cannot afford the likes of either the SGIII or the iPhone4S. The fact of the matter is that Apple (for perfectly understandable business case reasons) confine their production to high end phones. In saying that I am not criticising them. I am simply pointing out that comparing customer satisfaction indices between a company that supplies a relatively narrow and relatively affluent financial segment with a company that sells products that permit even the "great unwashed" to own a smartphone does not lead to anything that can be called a useful and informative customer satisfaction index.
These comparisons always seem to be about apples and pears.
How about asking iPhone 4S contra Galaxy SIII owners how they feel about their phones? Ie. A direct comparison. Comparing the phones of one company who sells a (very) narrow range of high end models with companies who sell across the whole range of smartphone price points does not seem especially informative. Apple might indeed still "win" on that index but I doubt very much that it would be the apparent hands down win we see here.
@Neil Barnes Re: ".............. than supervise her being read to by a robot."
Indeed. I love tech but the human aspect is still far more important, thank God. Apart from anything else your granddaughter will remember long after we are both gone her granddad reading to her - that you cannot get from any piece of tech regardless of how shiny it is.
Re:"everyone is insisting on 2048 and have been for about a year now."
Yep. The IT dept here at Uni starting tackling that issue a good while ago. It is also clear from the article that this should not come as any surprise to anyone - it's not exactly been sprung on them at short notice.
A very thoughtful article Andrew.............
"I certainly didn't expect to write any of the above on Monday this week, but as Keynes may (or may not) have said: "When the facts change, I change my mind". I decline to give odds either way; I'm not in the prognostication business. But I merely point out that there is nothing 'inevitable' about the outcome of the smartphone market, and as long as Nokia has cash in the bank and can make standout products – which it has started to do again – there could be some surprises yet."
...........most of which I have to say I agree with. The problem is as far as these threads are concerned, that far too many prognosticate about what they want (if they are actually willing to be honest with themselves, never mind anybody else) to happen rather than trying to analyse what might actually happen. The result is of course that any discussion gets drowned out by tribalist howling.
Re: "Jeremy Clarkson's tastes and world views."
I entirely agree with your point regarding the Curiosity mission. However, please excuse me while I barf in response to Mr Clarkson's "tastes and world views". No offence intended towards you of course.
@tony72 Re:"A quick Google reveals that only 7% of UK males and 5% of women own a tablet"
It may be a touch off topic for me to respond specifically to that point but I feel that it is an important one in the larger context. The tablet market (as you point out) is in fact still tiny in comparison to the conventional pc market as a whole. It is not remotely mass-market (yet) in comparison to ordinary boxes. The hardware has only recently (comparatively speaking) begun to catch up with the dream of the "full-song-with-choruses" pc in your pocket. However, with what we can see in prospect as far as the new chips are concerned with regard to the battery life/processing power equation (plus SSD prices heading south) then 2013 may prove to be very interesting. I certainly think that it is highly likely that the tablet market is going to look very different in 2 - 3 years time than it does today - it has not yet really begun to take off.
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