2106 posts • joined 6 Nov 2009
"......analysts were expecting Surface devices running Windows RT to retail for $599"
The analysts were talking bollocks then and the rumour mongers are talking bollocks now. The $599 price tag was way to high unless MS wanted to cut their own throats by overpricing and the $199 is way too low unless MS want to etc etc..... $299 I could pretend to believe. Glad to see that the author is equally sceptical.
Re: "That's PC World knackered then"
We can always hope!
Re:"Expect lots of furious customers........."
Only customers buying from retailers who are themselves too stupid to drill into their sales people that they must make sure that they explain to the customer that those tablets (Win RT) only run apps from MS' app store (something you can after all articulate in one sentence). Retailers who fail in something so basic can expect and will thoroughly deserve a large amount of earache from their punters because it will be them the customers come back to in the first instance.
Re: "Yawn" You are clearly horribly dissapointed that Acer is not on the list.
Hold the front page! Acer make something that is not *totally* pants.
........Apologies if I appear less than enthused but, as others have pointed out, this is neither one thing nor the other and is not particularly good at anything. Yes, the price is not too bad but what is one supposed to say? "It's ok, it's not a complete dog and they are not completely taking the piss as far as the price is concerned". This kind of thing just illustrates why Acer's CEO was getting way to big for his boots when he began to howl the other day about MS' decision to market some of its own hardware. Indeed it sums up why MS are making the "Surface" in the first place.
@Mark: Good points.
Given that in smartphone space Android was and is the only significant rival to iOS.........
..........then Apple's "offer" was in effect a demand that Samsung get out of the smartphone business. If Apple wins this one against Samsung, the most heavyweight of the Android OEMs, then they will simply repeat the same tactic against all the rest. If we did need any more evidence that Cupertino want to use the current appalling state of patent law to ensure that they basically own mobile tech space then we need look no further than this offer.*
*Another point that occurs is that the cross-licensing deals that MS has been signing with world+wife+dog may have additional reasons than solely their fairly obvious desire to take a bite out of Google's lunch. It is entirely possible that they are also concerned that the degree of hubris now evident in Cupertino's behaviour may lead to attempts to attack OEMs making Win 8 tablets - one possible reason for collecting as much IP as possible.
@Cabroni: Given that it was obvious that I had used the term ad hominem ....
..........(rather loosely I grant you) to denote an attack on the person I think that you could have saved yourself the bother of posting that. After all, an ad hominem attack is an attempt to negate someone else's argument by ascribing a negative characteristic to the person making that argument thus attacking the person not his case, I feel that calling somebody a "muppet" rather than answering his post certainly falls within that general area. Indeed it bears a strong conceptual resemblance to postings where the poster corrects the spelling or grammar etc. of the post rather than actually answering the case that has been put. What is your opinion BTW concerning posters who insult other posters whilst hiding behind an AC icon?
Re:"Read the link muppet."
I cannot tell you how deeply impressed we all are with posters who fire off ad hominem insults whilst hiding behind an AC icon.
Re: "Seems like a bad idea to me" You owe me a keyboard DDH!
@Peter Stone Re: "I remember the first transmission." Me too.
Indeed. The world of instant communication/information that we are all immersed in today (for better or worse) is very different from the world we grew up in - certainly in the socio-psychological sense, for want of a better expression. -:)
Re: "I remember the first transmission." Me too.
See title. -:)
Re: and? I have a feeling that you are new round here.
A word of advice. Don't diss the Doctor.
Re: power consumption/processing power equation is an interesting point
I believe so. I think that (judging by Intel's roadmap for 2013 and what we know about ARM's near future plans) we are approaching a genuine paradigm shift in personal computing where the small mobile devices (smartphones, tablet pcs etc) will genuinely have the kind of processing/relatively heavy lifting capacity that has hitherto only been available on larger devices. This of course is being driven further by the ever increasing pressure to deliver that processing/graphics power for ever lower battery demand. We may, in the course of 2013, actually begin to see the outlines of the so-called "post-pc world" now that the hardware is rapidly beginning to catch up with media hype. One key indicator will (IMHO) be to what extent the "hybrid" device really catches on in genuinely mass market terms. Your smartphone/tablet plus dock and external monitor+keyboard+mouse at your (home)office desk - or unship it and you are good to go. If something like that catches on amongst a lot of punters then we really will be in a new ball game*.
* My assumption here is of course that your average punter will not wish to be "confined" to one device unless he/she can interact with it by other means that purely touch.
The picture in Europe as a whole has some interesting features.
"The wider trend seems to be that even in PCs, people are gravitating towards smaller machines. Gartner notes that desk-based units were down by 12.8 percent, but mobile PC shipments (laptops, netbooks) went up by 4%. Similarly, you can see the effects of consumerization at play here: the “professional” PC market is down by 5.3%, while consumer PCs saw a sliver of growth: 0.4%."
Specifically that whilst conventional boxes fell sharply, laptops/netbooks actually rose and the overall hit appears to be in enterprise rather than the domestic retail market. It is interesting that the mass market trend continues in the direction of smaller devices (but not tablets on the same scale yet, they are as far as the market as a whole is concerned not yet mass market in the same way that boxes and laptops are). These figures are of course against the backdrop of very nasty economic conditions but it does seem to indicate that if the manufacturers of ultabook type laptops and of course (in the medium term) tablet pcs, get the quality/price equation right they may do very well in those areas - particularly as both ARM and Intel are competing like ferrets in a sack as far as the power consumption/processing power equation is concerned. Next year could prove to be very interesting indeed as long as the continental economy does not go completely tits up - and the jury is very much still out on that one.
The thing is that when a company is in difficulty their shares tend to be volatile.............
...........and this results in the stripy shirted sharks trying a few tricks as far as market manipulation goes. We have seen this about three times in the last year or so with Nokia shares - rumour being in each case that someone was about to make a bid for the company (the alleged suitors were, respectively, MS, Samsung and recently Lenovo. The technique in itself is straightforward and (if it works) very cheap to carry out. You spread rumours to create an artificial jump in the share price, you then borrow shares in that company from some broker (without having to pay for them at the time) and "short sell" at the artificially high price only to buy again when the air has gone out of the balloon that you yourself created and pocket the difference. Of course, if for any reason the price remains at the higher level for the whole period of the loan of the shares or (much worse) goes even higher, you end up taking the mother of all baths. Analysts' market intelligence is in part based on rumours of course. This is understandable and not in and of itself suspicious, however, it can mean that their sources may be being deliberately poisoned by the above mentioned stripy shirted sharks.
@VinceH Re: "Note that you can no longer use the term "fanboi"." I abslutely refuse to allow......
......them to set the agenda. That section of the Cupertino Posse remain iPhanbois - like it or not. -:P
@LinkOfHyrule "nice easy piss taking target for my crap jokes about rounded rectangles"
Plus the fact that that section* of Apple's customer base that actually deserve the appellation "iPhanboi" are so wonderfully easy to wind up. -:)
*Note that I am not tarring all Apple customers with the same brush, that in itself would be "fanboi" behaviour.
I am actually fairly amazed that two such major companies have/had systems that.........
..........could be so easily gamed by bog standard social engineering techniques (if I have understood what was done in this instance). Particularly so since both companies derive major income selling services and content in a fashion that is very dependent on a relationship of trust with their customers. Yes, I know the journalist concerned has admitted that it was partly his fault but that is the point. A significant proportion of these companies' customers are not the sharpest knives in the draw when it comes to making their side of such systems secure which means that the reality is that these companies' systems have to (to some extent) protect their customers from those customers own failings. That is the price you have to pay as a company if you are in that type of business. There really is no excuse for their systems being so readily penetrated by techniques that are, in terms of the history of the "Age of Tech", as old as the hills.
"Payments giant on lookout for fresh blood" Vlad Paypal?
The company might consider to be a rather unfortunate subheading.
This kind of shite behaviour is the reason why I have not bought a phone on a plan for about........
.....the last 15 years. If I have to delay upgrading until I have saved enough to pay cash on the nail, then that is what I do. I shop around for the most advantages terms for my actual connection and that's it. The mobile phone producers may not be our "homies" but the carriers are definitely the enemy.
@Chris 19 Re:"Therefore my apps appear either only or first on iOS"
Indeed, the business case for a dev in these circumstances is entirely understandable (I speak as someone who runs a Desire Z) and if one is earning one's "daily bread" in that way one has to follow the money. Currently this means, of course, that the situation is self-reinforcing as long as there is no Android "hero-phone" that begins to attract a similar demographic. Although it has to be said that Sammy's Galaxy series is now beginning to attract the kind of kudos and sales that suggest that such a shift is possible (albeit not certain). One can at any rate remark that it is reasonably obvious that Cupertino are entirely convinced that the only Android competitor (currently) that is any threat to them is Samsung!
@Chris 19 "...android only provides about 20% of their income, compared to 80% for iOS."
I would agree that the acceleration in smartphone ownership that we have been witness to has to a very considerable extent gone Android rather than iPhone (given that it would be a touch unusual for someone to jump straight from a feature phone to a highend phone like Apple's offering) with the consequence that many are to a considerable extent using them as a "feature-phone+". However, that (IMHO) does not take sufficiently into account Apple's traditional demographic which is (whether some of their supporters like it or not) the "well heeled middle classes" in income terms if not that precise demographic in social terms. The last survey I saw of customer groups within "smartphonery" from the States (about ten months ago) indicated that the "typical" Apple customer (ie approximately 50% of their demographic) in the US is male, 25 - 35 years old and lives in a household where the household income is over $100.000 per annum. Given that is the case it seems highly likely that Apple have a larger percentage of customers with significantly above average incomes than the Android os does. In other words the devs do better out of Apple customers because they have more money to spend than is typical amongst Android customers. This of course is hardly surprising since Cupertino have, with considerable success, been courting that demographic for the last two decades or so.
@Loyal Commenter: Indeed, hole in one.
"He stated that since there are plenty of worse things that priests have done, then it is hardly unlikely that they would all have illegal downloads."
That was indeed the essence of my original posting. It was of course sardonic/satirical but (IMHO) addressed a point raised by the the quote of a colloquial French expression of the type "sober as a judge". It was precisely my point that the use of the original French expression was, in one of the most horrible ironies of recent times, most unfortunate - a fact that I attempted to illustrate with, I freely admit, some extremely pointed remarks.
Re: "You've basically accused every single member of the clergy ........"
Re-read the grammatical structure in my original posting again. You have in fact chosen to interpret it in that particular way. Though it has to be said that the large number of paedophile priests assaulting the children of their flocks over the years combined with the large number of churchmen (some at very senior level) who were well aware of what was going on (and in many cases actively protected those swine, making themselves "accessories after the fact" BTW) leaves us with a very large number indeed of priests who should be serving substantial jail sentences. Your pompous indignation is (to say the least of it) misdirected.
@Bumpy Cat Re:"There are hundreds of cases......"
Indeed BC, that was precisely what I was aiming at. Indeed the figure on a global basis is probably in the thousands.
Re: RE: "Actually, given......" Yet more thumbs down?
........we appear to have an entire convocation of rather touchy clergy on the thread today. My earlier postings strike a little to close to home perhaps?
RE: "Actually, given......" A thumbs down?
Is that you Your Holiness?
RE: "only a priest would not yield." Actually, given the record of priests regularly..........
............committing far worse offences than internet piracy I would imagine there is a torrent in every vestry.
Re: "OEMs are Microsoft's customers." No, when it comes down to it.............
..........we are their customers. If MS are at last waking up to that (for whatever reason), so much the better. The OEMs are simply the middlemen. When they finally have absorbed that message the better for all of us.
Whilst one can of course have various opinions about both the new os and............
..............whether or not MS are wise to get into the hardware game in this area I cannot believe that I am the only one who thinks the "Acer" is one of the last OEMs who has any right to be the one leading the charge here.
Re: "Angry Birds has yet to be ported to it, however." Well I did here that the early stuff.........
..........coming via the data link shortly after it landed was a complaint that it had been promised an upgrade to ICS ages ago and still hadn't got it.
Re: "Can't afford to buy apps but can afford to buy the phone"
"One reason is that a large amount of iOS devices in China are ‘jailbroken’, allowing users to download apps for free from alternative ‘app stores’."
Perhaps rather than "can't pay" it is more a question of "won't pay" or "I want to choose"? If the amount of jailbreaking is on the sort of scale hinted at by the article it is possible that the grey market resellers in China (a very significant part of iPhone sales in that country) are routinely offering this as a service to their customers*. If that is the case and the alternative apps are widely available (as implied in the article), then unless Apple can establish the kind of control/influence over its retail distribution in China that it enjoys in Europe and the US, it's app-store model may be under far greater threat in China than anyone (myself included) had so far realised.
*Or a veritable cottage industry of jailbreakers/rooters has arisen - whatever, the end result is the same.
Re: "There are some uses for the "cloud"..." Within the type of limits you have........
.........referred to I agree. Within the private/domestic sphere I use it for syncing and (under certain circumstance) file transfers between locations. Actual main storage? Not a bleeding chance. They'll have to wrest my external hd/disc burner from my cold dead hands etc. etc.
RE:"We know our users spend an incredible amount of time using the Microsoft Office suite"
Memo to Public Relations Dept.
Do have a word with this chap concerning the way he expresses himself.
Re: "Not a PC" What? You are not suggesting that Apple will *copy* this are you?
And there I was thinking that they were purely innovative and revolutionary.
Re: Time to don the brown trousers......I have just now taken them off. This eagle has indeed
..........landed and their data link to the rover appears to be solid. Everything appears to be fine.
".....no further course corrections are possible." Time to don the brown trousers..............
............though how I am going to manage that whilst keeping both my fingers and my toes tightly crossed I do not know. -:)
"That's what you get for £20" and what you get for..........
............being a tight git in the first place. -:P
"Just copy what they do and do it until you get their numbers."
Hmm, what lovely people. Possible copyright theft to add to the possible insider trading scandal we saw here:
RE: "unlikely to cost a meaningful amount" So the fix is an easy one then.......
.........if it's so cheap to fix, no? Correct my logic here if I have missed something but does that not rather imply that the glitch was rather straightforward/obvious and should have been detected before it did damage? Given that it was not, what does this say about what RBS have done to their IT support? The only conclusion I can draw is that RBS have qualified themselves to be awarded the prestigious title of "Knobheads of the Year" by public acclamation.
@goldcd Re: ".........the many people forced to share a working life with him.........."
That is a bloody good point and I will admit had not occurred to me before I read your post. That the "imposter" is possibly/likely a colleague would certainly be frakking embarrassing if they had succeeded in revealing his identity. Indeed it may have been their own lawyers review of the case when they were assessing the likelihood of being able to make the "hacking" charges stick when it suddenly dawned on someone that they couldn't if the "guilty party" could gain this info by legal means. Not surprising that they performed a "screeching u-turn"!
Re: "Shades of......" Well I for one am going to keep my mouth shut from now on.............
............when we read about the latest mallware outbreak etc. I am not going to say a word about the "great unwashed" and their utter refusal to learn basic "pc safety". When employees in a major military organisation, who are themselves (allegedly) highly educated and trained to be security aware are logging onto the biggest source of malicious exploits in known space then there is no bloody hope left at all. "I am on an important military network and I feel like some porn, what can possibly go wrong?"
@Dave 126 That is a fair enough point though I have to say..............
..............that if that was what the author meant it was certainly not clear from the article! -:)
Re: ".........sent Nokia shares on an unusual high....."
I am not surprised. You can see the effect that the rumours that Lenovo was a buyer had (at least in part) on the share price. The moment any such negotiations started so would the rumours, rapidly leading to a share price that would cause even Google and Samsung to think twice before making a binding offer.
Re: "Samsung will be preparing a win8 phone release"
Certainly they will. However, considering the great success they are having with the Galaxy S series (behind which a huge head of steam appears to be developing very nicely indeed from the company's point of view) it is a moot point whether or not Samsung will put the same effort behind their WinPhone 8 devices. Even a company the size of Sammy has to prioritise.
Re: "long process to move to a hardware monopoly even if it were possible."
Indeed. Furthermore that word "monopoly" also has resonance here. Although Apple are very big indeed in tablet space they are still a minor player in pc-space as a whole in terms of the number of units shifted. That means that, for the time being at any rate, the competition authorities are not especially worried. However, Redmond is still the dominant software force in personal computers as a whole. If they attempted to move towards the Apple model (except in a very limited way within tablet space) the bells would not just ring at, for example, the DoJ in the States, they would probably register on the Richter scale. For that reason alone MS would likely be bloody careful before they started any major strategic shift of that kind.
Re: "MS doesn't have much in the way of content or services to recoup profits from"
That is indeed a point. However, I would distinguish here between the Windows RT version of the "Surface" where your point indisputably applies and the Win 8 Pro version where Office will not be bundled with the device.
Re: Big supposition there...
Indeed it is. Redmond have already said that they will be pricing those two products at similar price-points to where the OEMs will be selling similar classes of products. This suggests that as long as the OEMs do not have the same insane ambitions as they had when the first Android tablets came out (when they were expecting to be able to charge more than Apple were for the original iPad FFS!) MS is not intending to be particularly aggressive towards its own industry partners as far as pricing is concerned. Furthermore Redmond are not in a position to be an "own producer" (without a substantial and expensive strategic shift that would take several years to implement) in the way Apple are and cannot easily take the place of the OEMs as far as that side of the business is concerned. If of course the OEMs are unwilling to read the memo as far as pricing is concerned (the ultrabook segment being largely an unfortunate example at the moment) then things may change in the longer term. However, it won't be this year or next!
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