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The thing I wonder about here is how long before their more "committed" supporters.......
.........(and I am sure that like fanbois all denominations, some of them should be) are going to begin to recognise that the behaviour that Cupertino are exhibiting is not in their supporters interests or indeed the long term interests of the company itself. How long before they realise that the biggest favour they could do for the beloved shiney-producer is, in the words of the 1960's advert for the anti-BO properties of Lifebuoy soap, "what your best friends won't tell you", is in fact to be a good friend to their favourite company and say "you are fucking up - big time!" If Apple go on like this they are going to bring the temple roof in on top of themselves - time to stop guys, really it is.
"I think we all know who the real enemy is" Yes we do and its name is..........
I think I need to lie down with a wet cloth on my forehead. I had a lot of pressure lately, life has been difficult...mumble, mumble.
Re: 2012 Body-paint
Wrong gender for them as well.
Re:"Of course they've ported OS X to ARM. It's on 80 million phones. It's called iOS."
I am neither a Mac or a iPhone user but even I know that that is about as accurate as saying the WinPhone 8 is simply Windows 8 ported to mobile phone space.
@Autonomous Cowherd "they are acting like they feel they are above the law."
Indeed they are - that is obvious. What is also interesting is the fact that you have already been down-voted for what would appear to be indisputable. It appears that some if their supporters agree with this childish defiance that Cupertino are exhibiting. I do not need to mention any names but I think that it is remarkable that some of them actively support defiance of the law by their favourite company but go absolutely bananas on the occasions when A Certain (In)Famous Software Company gets caught playing fast and loose with the law. Sauce, goose, gander and all that.
@ AC 17.21 2nd Nov. ".......full of inbred catholics and drug dealers."
You clearly cannot tell the difference between a bit of trolling satire and being a complete arsehole. Well, I can assure you that you have managed to achieve the latter.
"I think Apple made a clever move, with the first ‘apology’ and the second ‘apology’."
No, actually. The average punter (in that degree they have taken any notice of this case) is not especially impressed with "big boys" who take the piss out of a court judgement. They think (naturally enough) that if "I would have do what I was told under those circumstances then so should those bastards".
Re:" It should be applauded, and not require blinkered acceptance."
To be honest with you I did not get the impression from this article that "blinkered acceptance" was the issue here. It seemed to me, at any rate, a fairly careful assessment of the situation so far. If I have misunderstood something I would of course be obliged (no sarcasm or satire intended, I mean what I say and I have said what I meant) if you would point out where I have gone wrong.
@Martin Re:"......for those of us without hands like gibbons." Indeed, although I have to say....
........that I find a four incher being described as a "mini" highly entertaining. Two years ago it would have been "oo er missus".
@ysth Re: "I have no idea what you just said." I am glad you posted that.
I would have hated to feel that I was the only one saying WTF? Pardon? when reading that.
@AC 29th Oct 12.52 RE "Bob, I always thought that you were the MS shill bubble"
No, he hates Cupertino as well, however he clearly does not mind as long as it is anti-Redmond (whom he hates even more). Hypocritical? Of course, but "the enemy of my enemy is my ally" and all that. It does not make for very honest or consistent debate but hey, who expects that with these issues?
Re: It gets worse
No, what is worse on this occasion is an AC passing off the allegations of a well known Apple fanatic/blogger as if it were genuine news reportage. I am not suggesting that MS are Sunday school boys or that they might not "try it on" in an effort to generate attention, however your link as any kind of "proof" is worthless. Interestingly enough if one takes a look at the thread attached to the article his readers are generally speaking unimpressed - to put it mildly.
@Esskay Re: "I'm curious" It is interesting to contrast Cook's attitude to Cupertino's rivals.....
...........to that of Windows Division head Sinofsky towards his. This from Anand lal Shimpi opening his review of Surface RT:
"A week ago, I sat in an auditorium and listened to Steve Sinofsky talk about the tablet market. He talked about how the iPad was a great device, and a logical extension of the iPhone. Give iOS a bigger screen and all of the sudden you could do some things better on this new device. He talked about Android tablets, and Google’s learning process there, going from a phone OS on a tablet to eventually building Holo and creating a tablet-specific experience. He had nothing but good things to say about both competitors. I couldn’t tell just how sincere he was being, I don’t know Mr. Sinofsky all that well, but his thoughts were genuine, his analysis spot-on. Both Apple and Google tablets were good, in their own ways."
@Psyx Re:"...In a positive an unbiased manner." I agree. There was not a snide bone......
........in the article's body (so to speak). Very interesting to see the reactions of the various test subjects. It does suggest that a) MS ought to put a proper tutorial on board and b) whatever the opinions of a certain proportion of the vanguard of the white-collar techno-proletariat might be the ordinary punter may get on with the os rather better than many have been assuming. However, the proof of that particular pudding will be in the eating - we'll have to see what the reactions en masse in the private retail market are over the coming year before we can draw any hard and fast conclusions about how the ordinary punter has in fact gotten on with it - or not as the case may be.
"........that would require an agreement on standards, so it will never happen."
I'm a little more optimistic. It requires after all little more than the tablet producer manufacturing a powered dock suited to the device concerned with standard ports (full size USBs + HDMI etc). You could then connect what the heck you liked to it. Dell have just launched a Windows 8 device with that sort of setup (don't ask about the resolution though - that just starts me off and explains why I won't be buying that particular device!). However, my point is that such devices do exist and can be readily manufactured by any OEM willing to do so. Furthermore developments within chippery expected next year should go a long way to realising the device you desire.
@toadwarrior RE "sub-par quality tablet full of malware " I say, steady on old chap....
.......even though neither I nor my lady will have Cupertino Kit in the house even we would not describe the iPad in such terms*
*Yes, as a service for the hard of thinking I will underline that I was deploying a technique known as "satire", yes "satire". As a further service here is the dictionary definition:
the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
a literary genre comprising such compositions.
"The article not the OS" I entirely agree that the article is very witty - it also manages to be...
.....genuinely informative at the same time, not an easy trick to pull off. If some people could manage to stop howling for a moment they might discover that the os is nowhere near as bad as they think it is, in fact in desktop mode it is pretty damn good* (although not good enough yet or as good as Redmond are claiming, but when was that new with regard to a Windows release?).
*The touch UI on a suitable device also works extremely well in the functional sense, however, you do not want to hear me on the subject of my opinion of its visual design and the limited customisation possibilities with regard to its appearance - trust me.
@JetSetJim "....purchasing some titles from a .no IP address...." I don't think it is that.
I have lived in Norway since 1998 and I had no difficultly either purchasing a Kindle from the UK site giving my home address in Norway as the delivery and billing address or in purchasing content (using plastic issued by a Norwegian bank) ever since. As far a their regional policy goes it appears to depend on the product. I was recently browsing the Kindle store at their US site from a Norwegian IP address and attempted to purchase a Kindle book from that site. They simply directed to make the purchase at the UK site instead so the issue of purchases coming from Norway does not in itself appear to be a problem for them. What the hell they are actually playing at in this particular instance is, I have to say, very peculiar.
Re: Is the Register sponsored by Apple/Google these days?
Well, to be a little more fair and objective than The Vulture was being in this article it has to be said that El Reg' modus vivendi is to take the piss out of all of the above. You have only got to take a look at the threads attached to articles where the focus is on Cupertino or Mountain View and read some of the postings from the more "tribalist" amongst our fellow members where they are positively foaming at the keyboard over something in the article concerned to see that Redmond is not being especially singled out for a "Regging". Indeed those articles where El Reg is actually being deliberately satirical are often even more amusing given that a fair proportion of the "committed" (and some of them no doubt should be) appear to be satire-dyslexic and end up in the most enormous bate over something that is not intended to be taken seriously at all.
This is what MS have said in response.
"We take this matter very seriously and moved quickly to address this problem as soon as we became aware of it. Although this was the result of a technical error, we take responsibility for what happened, and we are strengthening our internal procedures to help ensure something like this cannot happen again. We sincerely apologize for this mistake and will continue to cooperate fully with the Commission."
" While not specifying damages, the patent troll plaintiff asks for a “reasonable royalty”..........
..........as its minimum claim."
So they are not claiming that they will be subjected to irreparable harm if they don't get well over a billion in damages then? Positively modest in fact. Perhaps they can get Judge Koh to hear the case.
Re: "Never worked well anyway!" I do not have a huge quarrel with the trend towards............
..........slimmer and more lightweight machines meaning that some equipment that has been traditionally built in now becomes a peripheral. I in fact installed a blue-ray player in our front-room HTPC and any ripping I need to do is done by means of an external drive via a USB port. I do however have a considerable problem with snide gits representing the company concerned saying things like "And for those who are still are stuck in the past" by way of brushing off questions about that design decision.
@solidsoup "Re: But it WAS a backpedal."
@solidsoup Indeed. In fact the article in Ars I believe you are quoting from actually makes it....
........clear since it had been updated with the quote you have given by sometime Friday at the latest. George Roedler, the manager of institutional registration and licensing at the Minnesota Office of Higher Education who is speaking in that quote was talking to Ars on Thursday, I posted that link in on that thread here at Reg on Saturday.(The link to both threads are below for those who have not seen them). Reg has really no excuse for claiming that Minnesota have only now on Monday begun to "row back".
The same author for both Reg articles BTW - I sure that I do not need to expand on that observation, hmm?
Re: @Arctic Fox "You really think a Samsung executive would say that? Ok"
No, of course I do not. If you did not get from the way I wrote that final sentence that I was being satirical I frankly do not know how to respond.
@AC 22nd Oct 23.08 Re: "No spin". Indeed, it does not have to be spin at all.
In fact, IMHO, those who wish to use the argument that it's too much of a coincidence not to be connected with the litigation issue have to explain why it is not to much of a coincidence to be connected to the very clear signs the last year or more (if one has noticed Sharp's troubles and other indications in "the channels" and not been asleep) that all is not well in the displays market and there is a significant possibility that it is close to tanking. Those with retentive memories will recall what happened in the RAM chip market a few years back for example. I am not saying that the current shenanigans between Apple and Samsung have nothing to do with this but the current and likely short to medium term state of that particular market being very unhealthy from the producer's pov combined with Cupertino's famous propensity to squeeze any perceived weakness are more than enough to explain Samsung's decision. Though one should of course not rule out the possibility that it added a certain frisson to say "fuck you round-eyes" as well! :)
Not only the Chinese.
What about people in our society who do their gambling based on their kid's birthday dates etc? The number 7 is traditionally regarded as lucky in the UK and many other countries in Europe. Or those (and there are a surprising number of them) who won't take any important decisions when it's Friday the 13th? Numerological superstitions/beliefs (depending on your pov) crop up in a wide variety of ways in very many societies.
@LarsG Re: "Oh the privilege he has" His privilege also consists of being able to afford.......
.......using his phone in that way. For millions upon millions of ordinary punters the costs of total dependency on the "per meg" model of payment for their broadband connection would be prohibitive regardless of how good their plan might be since none are truly "unlimited". Wifi in the US or in the UK for that matter (at home, in the office or at their local Starbucks) is a must for many and is likely to remain so for a long time to come. Apart from anything else the infrastructure costs of building out the coverage such that it was technically feasible to go totally "mobile broadband" are huge and the poor bloody punter would be the one meeting the end-point bills. He gives every impression of being the US analogue of a "toff" - the fact that he finds his phone bill painless must of course mean that everyone else does as well.
@Spotswood Re: "those who bag Windows 8" I realise that this question is a touch off-topic....
......but in British English "to bag" something would mean (usually, AFAIK) "to obtain", "to win" or in the context of hunting "to hit your target". Is it being used here to mean "to attack or denigrate"? Genuinely curious here, I am not indulging in any grammer nazi/nationalist shtick.
Re: "Well Duh!" The stench of hypocrisy whenever this subject........
...........is raised regardless of which country we are talking about is fairly nauseating. However, the problem the US have here image-wise is their perception of themselves as "the land of the free" and their society being model for others to follow. It makes the hypocrisy seem larger when they get up to these kinds of shenanigans. The nation that perceives of itself as the "shining city on the hill" is positively begging to get criticised over this kind of thing, regardless of the fact that they are of course far from being the only offender.
@tkioz "While it would be easy to take pot shots........" I agree with your posting in terms of.....
.........what has been presented in this article. However, it now appears that someone has rather jumped the gun on this issue.
"I don’t care what they do; we don’t regulate them," George Roedler, the manager of institutional registration and licensing at the Minnesota Office of Higher Education, told Ars on Thursday.
"I specifically said that [Coursera] didn’t have to put anything on their website. They could do what they wanted. They could ignore it. They chose this route and the reason I believe they did it was to try to protect the schools in their wake. So be it. That’s what they did."
It seems that Coursera were simply taking a "just in case" belt and braces approach to their "terms and conditions" when people sign up with them. "I don’t care what they do; we don’t regulate them" does seem to be fairly explicit! At the very least Coursera do not appear to be the target.
Choice of icon? Well, in the context a mortar board did seem appropriate. :)
@TonyHoyle Re: "Windows 8 on tablets - which is what this article is about............
.............- is 100% dependent on the new store. The only thing it shares with Windows 7 is a similarity in name."
Sorry old chap but your post as written is mistaken. Windows RT is 100% dependent on the new store because it can only run the new apps. Windows 8 is an x86 os but can run any apps from the Windows store via the new UI plus x86 "legacy" apps in desktop just the same as your current Win7 device.
I suggest that the usual suspects do try and contain themselves.
When almost anyone who says they have ordered the device or suggests that they are about to purchase it gets hosed with thumbs it does rather reveal your real agenda, hmm? Especially here at RegHardware where we normally, thankfully, are spared that kind of behaviour. You suddenly pile onto a thread here and start voting in much larger numbers than we normally get on threads here? Who's your publicity/negative-astroturfing advisor, Baldrick?
@qwarty Re: "looking to 2013"
That makes a lot of sense. By the same token one could anticipate a "Surface Pro II" towards the end of next year with Haswell chippery and possibly the upcoming lower power usage RAM chips which should be available during the course of the back half of next year.
@h4rm0ny Re: "I'm an iPad, I'm a Surface" style adds."
Indeed, and if they could work in a few remarks about coffee bars I am sure that many (albeit not all ;)) would be highly entertained.
@h4rm0ny "...using it mainly to make a......
........really good impression with Win8 and to beat the OEMs into raising their game."
Indeed, MS made it very clear that they were not going to play cut-throat with the OEMs and that they were looking to "bench-mark" the market at the mid-end with their Surface RT model and at the upper end with the Surface Pro version. As you point out Ballmer said explicitly that they had modest plans with regard to production and sale. People are surprised at these price-points? They are absolutely and predictably in line with Ballmer's remarks about price-point "sweet spots" in his most recent public interview - competitive but not "Tesco" pricing. Redmond are doing, currently, exactly what they said they were going to do. What the future may hold if a significant proportion of the OEMs continue to punt out overpriced, under-specced pisstakes is another matter. However, in those circumstances they would have nobody to blame but themselves if MS then responded by going in for expanded production in the medium term.
Wouldn't happen in the UK of course.
In the UK the poor bloody tax-payer bails out the Banks so they can afford to pay their bonuses and still refuse to lend.
@Oninoshiko Re:"I think you are overly optimistic." Well I prefer to err on the side of........
........optimism. Must have something to do with my sunny disposition. ;)
I think however that my comments about the hardware are not without saliency here. With more powerful x86 devices (and ARM won't exactly be hanging around whistling either) that don't slaughter the battery coming in the course of 2013 we will begin to see mobile full productivity pcs that can easily run something like "Naturally Speaking" from Nuance, will be equipped with proper digitizer pens and software without costing blood, can readily be docked at home or in the office, connected to your choice of peripherals and of course are equipped with good quality touch screens (if I see another shiney 1366 x 768 screen I am going to scream and throw my toys out of the pram). In other words it is not unlikely that we are going to increasingly see on the mass market full-productivity mobile pcs that you can talk to, write on (handwriting to text anyone?), stroke and, yes, interact with by means of keyboard and mouse. In other words the punter will finally be "liberated" from the tyranny of having to use his/her device in the way the pc "wants" and will be able to use an eclectic mix that suits them personally, the task they are performing and where they are performing it whether at home, in the office, or on the road. Having that available mass market will IMHO have a considerable effect on the way a large number of people do their computing.
Whether Intel's CEO is whistling in the dark or not with regard to other matters, on this score....
"I don't think that the tablet as we've seen it evolve over the last several years is the end-state of computing."
......he is certainly right. The reason in my opinion? Whatever one thinks of Win8 the coming year ushers in the real mass market in touch computing. Currently all the iPads and Android tablets taken together do not amount to more than a few percentage points of the total personal computing market on a global basis. The number of adults in the UK who own a tablet is about 6% or so of the total market and in virtually all cases it is an addendum to a "proper" pc in the house whether it is a Windows box, it's running a Linux distro or it's a Mac. Touch enabled computing as opposed smart mob use is still in it's infancy. Whether Win8 is a commercial failure, a success or something in-between does not change the fact that this is the first major industry wide attempt to make touch computing as ubiquitous and "mass-market" as the conventional box or laptop. Furthermore it is only in very recent years that the hardware has begun to catch up with the dream. With the coming developments in 2013 in chippery of all types from several manufacturers (not just Intel) it will likely finally overtake it. The initial devices we are going to see this autumn are just a beginning - the sort of devices we are likely to be seeing at the end of next year will give us a much better picture.
"is building an OS environment that will contain absolutely zero defects..............
...............or vulnerabilities in the OS kernel and that will make running unauthorized, outside code "a categorical impossibility.""
One assumes then that Kaspersky Labs will not be headhunting anyone from Redmond, Cupertino or Mountain View any time soon.
"Apparently the moneymen had hoped for a miracle"
How often and how many different financial contexts have we seen that? Rational markets anyone?
Re: Right decision for the wrong reason
"W" and his Prince of Darkness (Veep) wanted a sacrifice, a demonstration of commitment from the UK. The present regime has decided that the gain is not worth the noise - and of course, as usual the British government falls in with it's masters wishes. If this decision had not already been cleared with Washington it would not have happened regardless fo how deserving this guy's case might be. I wish him of course the best of luck and hope for his sake and his family that this business may finally be over.
@TheOtherHobbes Re: "See: N-body problem"
Very interesting. Solutions for multi-body systems have clearly been occupying mathematicians and astronomers for a very long time. That it has been so challenging is clear from the fact that solutions for systems of four bodies or more had to wait until the 1990s. Thanks very much for that link - very informative and led me on to some more extensive googling in fact. :)
Fascinating. What a remarkable star-system.
Two binaries - I'll bet the maths of that system is interesting. How do they model it in the mathematical sense? Do the first consider the relationships "within" each pair as if they were two independent binaries and then consider each pair as one object which is then in a binary relationship with the other pair? Or can they model/calculate all the relationships between each of the four simultaneously? Anyone in a position to contribute to my education?
@Chandy Re: "good showcase" The peripherals manufacturers are already way ahead of you.
Like Logitech for example:
Should take care of your back problem nicely. :P
@AC 17.48 GMT "Re: I also hope we'll hear..."
The arguments being deployed in your posting and others on this issue are tendentious to say the least. I note that at first (a little under a year ago) the claim was that MS was locking Linux out of x86/Windows 8 and had this been the case given that the x86 variant is the one that applies across the whole of pc space you might have had a point. However, it turned out that the usual suspects were talking the usual bollox and so you have had to shift your ground. The problem you have here with trotting out the same arguments with Win RT is of course that that os is confined solely to tablet space where the very last thing Redmond have is any kind of monopoly - in fact they barely register currently on the sales radar at all. There is a company that has a very dominant position in the tablet market who lock down their tablets and maintain a total monopoly on software access to their devices but their name is not Microsoft and I look forward to you and your compadres howling for the regulator to get involved there.
Re: "Windows SlateFAIL" Incoherent and idiotic posting.
"In any case, Win 8 is not ready for tablets. Firstly it's a beta (all MS initial releases are beta). Secondly it has no apps. Thirrdly it is expensive and a closed, walled garden device."
Windows 8 will run all x86 programs and is by definition not a walled garden os. Were you perhaps talking about Windows RT and do you understand the difference?
@HMB Re: "I see that Lewis hasn't filed this one." "Judging by the thumbs there are at least......."
Hello? My post very clearly was a gentle send up of Lewis' usual gung ho attitude to nuclear power. Going "nuclear" (if I may be permitted to use that pun without you going beserk) because of that appears, to me at any rate, a trifle over the top. I do not dispute with what you have posted in fact but FFS!
Re: "I see that Lewis hasn't filed this one." Judging by the thumbs there are at least.......
....two people with no sense of humour at all.
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