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@Test Man: If I have understood the situation correctly* Windows 10 will only...........
........declare itself to the application/program as version 10 if the app/prog correctly identifies itself as Win 10 compatible. All other apps relying on the version number 6.x will be told a small "porkie" by the os in as much that they will be told the version is a 6.x build. In practice this should mean that any programmes that were compatible with Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 should not refuse to run on Win 10. At least I imagine that Redmond are keeping their fingers tightly crossed that it is indeed the case!
*Which I do not take as a given. If I am mistaken I will gladly take correction.
@Gordon 10 Re:"Whichever way it went I would love to have been a fly on the wall..."
Indeed, concrete facts would be nice - mind you that does not need to stop us having fun speculating!
@DougS I am not sure that Samsung needed to do any such pricing inducements.
You say it yourself:
"TSMC is extremely capacity limited, despite being by far the largest foundry on Earth, because almost everyone on Earth goes to them to have chips fabbed."
The practical reality was that Apple was facing not getting anywhere near enough of the chips fabbed that they wanted within the time-frame they wanted them. Samsung could afford to smile knowing perfectly well when Apple (allegedly - we don't actually know) are supposed to have dropped the Koreans that Cupertino would in all likelihood have to think again. I would be very surprised if Samsung did not have a pretty clear picture of current fabbing capacity planet-wide, such industrial intelligence is essential for any company when deciding pricing strategy in general. They would have known that Apple simply could not afford to drop them.
For some strange reason the expression "arms race"..........
..... popped into my head.
"The genius of Ballmer was he was a general "
Oh hello Vulture Central do make your minds up with regard to what the current message is. The whole line you took whilst Ballmer was the boss was, roughly summed up, "Monkey Boy, Idiot, ho, ho, ho." Now he is suddenly a "general" because you want to snide the (still) new CEO? Please, this article was poor stuff, to say the least of it. Nadella has been in the job about 10 months and so far the numbers appear to be pointing in the right direction (from Redmond's point of view). I do not pretend to know whether that will last or not but this extremely thin piece does not impress at all.
I don't know what you think but I think that Alastair could have rephrased this.......
......"At least, no one will ask you to come again."
In the context.....hmm?
"Apple tells the Reg: We pulled the security certificate"
They talked to you? Good grief, they must have been scared by this.
@TechnicallyConfused "cannot agree with or condone your use of language."
To be honest, although I am not remotely a prude when it comes to "four-letter" words there is indeed one word that I never use except in the positive sense in (if I may be permitted to express it this way) a moment of passion. I have never used that word as a "swear word" in my life. Why? Because of something Dad said to me many, many years ago. "Son, when you use that particular word to curse with you are insulting your mother, your sister and the lady who you may one day marry and any daughters she may, if you are very lucky, present you with". I realise that this may be regarded as a hopelessly old fashioned view but that is the way I feel.
"Disney wins Mickey Mouse patent"
I do not know whether it is or it isn't but I howled with laughter all the same at that headline. See icon.
Whilst I admire Sammy's engineering skills and am not any kind of "anti-fanboi" .........
..........in relation to that company they are being extremely cheeky here. They are worried that they might be accused of cartel activity? Hello?! This from the company that, not once but twice, has been caught with other TV manufacturers in Europe operating a, yes believe or not, a cartel in TV manufacture and pricing? Samsung want out of their deal with Redmond (for whatever reason, valid or otherwise) and they are just trying it on to achieve that aim. The fact that the other party in this is MicroDollarDemonBastardSoft (as MS is so affectionately known amongst the Cognoscenti here at Vulture Central) is neither here nor there.
@ gazthejourno " I don't think very many comments at all..........."
Thank you for replying. I am pleased to hear that this is the case. (Although I a obliged to admit that I am a touch surprised - although still pleased)
This thread is being pre-modded.
I am not making a complaint here in saying this. I really wish to ask a question. Is it a fact that El Reg note a significant number of abusively homophobic postings when this kind of story is published? If that is indeed the case then we have even further to go than I had realised. As I have indicated earlier on this thread I regard this news from Cook as entirely positive.
Re: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force" Well now you mention it old chap.............
.............I strongly suspect that we are talking cursing by "bell, book and candle" on the conservative christian wing right now! LOL!
@Longrod_von_Hugendong Re: Good for him...
"So if hearing that the CEO of Apple is gay can help"
Whatever reservations I may have about Apple Corp (or indeed any other example of BigCorp) I feel that it is entirely positive that the CEO of major corporation has come out in this way.
I rather suspect that.............
"But what's more likely is that some people have been engaging in anti-social behaviour online and Twitch wants to put a stop to it."
..........Twitch is worried about people exhibiting all too "social" behaviour!
If it is the case that Redmond has begun to understand the concept.......
..........of enlightened self-interest then that is to be welcomed. As far as I am concerned (and this applies to any other example of BigCorp that may, at last, be showing some glimmerings of intelligence) the jury is still out. However, in contrast to some I am at least willing to believe that it is possible.
"Microsoft sounds pretty sincere these days when it talks about openness and respecting its customer choices. With plenty of pundits recommending multi-cloud strategies, it's hard to see Redmond fighting this even though it can't be much fun to have competitors in your front yard."
Re "............for which Sinofsky and his team will deserve credit..........."
No he fucking won't and I speak as someone who has had very little problem with Win 8. However, from the point of view of his company and its relationship to both its enterprise customers and the "great unwashed" of the retail sector Sinofsky's utter refusal to adjust his "vision" regardless was a serious downer for Redmond. Even though I personally got on well with Win 8 I am not blind to the fact that it has been a dog on the market and for various reasons succeeded in offending many very loyal MS customers. Sinofsky deserves no credit what so ever for his "contribution" end of.
@ tnovelli "............corporate IT departments will disable most of the new security........"
Indeed and at the same time employees in those same IT-departments who are members here at El-Reg will be logging on (behind AC badges naturally) telling us what insecure crap Windows is. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
The US Federal authorities operate by Caeser's dictum.
His writ runs wherever his legions can march. They have in practice very little more respect for the sovereignty of other nations than such people as Putin have.
Looking aside from the tempations of tribalism (which some can clearly not resist)........
........this is a very interesting report. If Macs (which whilst their sales have been on a gentle upward trend in recent years cannot be described as having gangbusters sales) are outselling the Fruity company's tablet which has been the biggest single seller in the upper end of the market since it was launched (suggesting that the i-Pads current sales are to say the least of it less than stellar) then this indeed says something about the post-pc era - like its a load of spherical objects. What appears to be happening is that, in common with the private retail pc, the replenish rate is not what it once was and that is not entirely surprising. Anyone running, for example, an adequately specced Win 7 pc has absolutely no need to upgrade their home office at the present time and it would appear that tablet customers (we are seeing the same phenomenon with Sammy's high-end offerings) are not endlessly buying new kit if they are satisfied for the time being with what they have got. The post-pc era may one day dawn but the degree of frenzied prognosticating amongst some in the media and other parts of the blogosphere is very clearly showing itself to have been largely powered by hot air (and/or other less pleasant bodily substances).
Your political point was?
"Good old Socialist republic of Scotland attitude, if you don’t like something ban it."
We are getting this kind of crap in England as well (as is very clear from the article) and the last time I checked the British Nasty Party was still in charge here.
Re: Re-read the klingon software development guide
Highly entertaining - see icon.
Re: "This was doing so well until............"
Indeed. The reaction of the competition authorities will be very interesting. Not because the situation in the US market with telcos in control has been exactly edifying but because we would be looking at a degree of stranglehold over a communications/computing market that means something very different in terms of the future (scale-wise and qualitatively) than when Redmond ended up in control of the pc-market. Just think about the implications of this - this is not remotely amusing.
Nielson ratings just shit themselves.
I think that this needs a bit of translation work.
"Wearables allow conference calls 'while rocking a baby to sleep'"
"Yet another means by which your employer gets to own your life."
@qwarty "what most people would expect of a successor to the Yoga 2 etc."
You have some good points there, which is why I was interested in what might turn up in the run up to Xmas. However, I have no problem in waiting until next year to see what might be on offer before I open my wallet and make several hundred moths homeless!
Clearly a droolworthy piece of kit.
However, I am more interested in the fact that it includes Intel's latest M-series processor. It will be very interesting to see what comes onto the market in the run up to what our cousins on the other side of the pond call the "holiday season"
@Ledswinger Re:"Bill Gates.........and as software architect responsible for W8"
That is a very interesting point. It would be fascinating to know whether it was in fact Gates that was the reason why Ballmer could not reign in Sinofski until it was too late for Win 8 and in the end had to fall on his sword as part of the price for ensuring that the former head of the Windows division was made to walk the plank shortly after the launch of W8. It is very difficult to believe that Sinofski could have gotten away with quite the degree of "fuck you" attitude towards the internal critics at Redmond (and they did exist, not everyone was exactly happy with his iPad obsessions - ie Surface 2 on ARM running Windows RT) without some very powerful backing from very high up in the company's hierarchy. Given that Ballmer and Gates had, apparently, been at loggerheads for years it is unlikely that it was both of them. So the question is, who was Sinofski's "sponser" - Gates or Ballmer?
Very good post by the way Ledswinger - well argued and logical.
Your "best idea was to quit reading."?
You should have read on. Ballmer's open acknowledgement of his responsibility for the Longhorn debacle was very interesting indeed.
Re: Time to don the old Tin Foil Chapeau
If it is time to don the hat of paranoia then I am there with you on this occasion. The whole situation smells, big time.
Hmm, this (or something like it, whoever built it) could in the not too distant future.....
"it's also far too expensive and massive for any actual living room to accommodate."
The games arcade of the future maybe? Even if it would be too expensive for most people's homes there would appear to be a business opportunity here. Your high-street holo-deck emporium perhaps?
@Khaptain I take your point with regard to..........
...... "Github accounts, email accounts and possibly testing VPN connections which would be valid scenarios for testing."
Those are indeed valid points, however I am still concerned that people (who are either professional techies or enthusiastic amateurs) download this kind thing without reading the small print. If "geeks" do that kind of thing what hope do we have of ever persuading the "great unwashed" that one of the most important parts of good security is using some basic common sense. Installing this without reading the EULA is not much more impressive than those idiots who salivate and click the moment they see a "free porn" link.
Frankly speaking Khaptain if anyone is doing their banking............
...........or other security sensitive tasks on a pre-beta like this technical preview then they are frakking brain dead. As far as this particular case is concerned you have to choose (of your own free will) to download and install the TP, choose (of your own free will) to sign up for the insider program and finally not bother to read the EULA in order for this to come as a horrible shock. To sum up: Anyone who accepts an invitation from any example of BigCorp to become one of their "partners" without reading the small print very carefully indeed should not be allowed out of the house without a note from their mum.
I have seen some brain-dead comments in my time but this takes the biscuit.
"I've never seen or used a windoze phone but I know they are rubbish and won't be buying one. Thanks."
"I have never used it, I know nothing about it but I still know its rubbish". Pardon? Are you in fact capable of walking straight and chewing gum at the same time?
@ Anomalous Cowshed "The number of times my smartphone has crashed............."
I have had four different WP phones since WP7 came out and I do not remotely recognise the problems you are experiencing. My current is a Lumia 1020 and it has performed without problems the whole time so far. If you are getting regular crashing I am forced to ask you what the hell you doing with that phone. I also have to ask why you bought several WP phones for your family without trialling one for yourself first before laying out so much money - if your experience has indeed been so terrible it would have been a good idea to evaluate the system properly first. hmmm....? I hope you will forgive me but I get a certain whiff of ordure from your "contribution".
@Not Terry Wogan Re:"Finding a dolphin who'll let you swim with and bugger him...."
If he managed the act whilst holding his breath and not drowning it would be even more impressive!
Re: "How soon we forget the fallen."
In that particular gentleman's case - not soon enough for me. After he got defenestrated by a special Vulture squad the use of caps lock here at El Reg hit an all time low.
*My choice of icon? It would have really pissed him off.
Re:"No comparison to The Cube?"
At last I have finally found someone who actually watched that one as well as me! Other than that I have already told "you know who" to notify me when its available.
@Phoenix50 Re: Moving apps
"Mary J Foley reported that Microsoft said the current build has only 10% of new features in it."
Indeed. Redmond have said openly that this is only (at this stage) a portion of the final *construction" and expecting (as some apparently do - or pretend to) that this or that should be present now if not sooner, is disingenuous to say the least. I have just started to test this build and I do not remotely claim that I yet have any (for or against) conclusions. So far it appears to be impressively stable (for a pre-beta) and is chundering away happily without causing me any grief. How this develops and to what extent Redmond will in reality listen to those giving feedback remains to be seen. It is far too early to draw any conclusions.
Re: " I hope it does make a difference this time."
There I think we can entirely agree! :)
Re:" it's no silver bullet. Far from it"
Given that it is in fact a pre-beta release which they openly state is substantially incomplete at this stage, what else would you expect? I'm currently trialling it and I wouldn't dream of drawing any conclusions, positive or negative at this stage. It all depends on what they now do in the development process and the extent to which they take any notice of the techies/devs etc. etc. who are involving themselves in the process.
"Thank you for making me google Christina Hendricks.."
You had to google Christina Hendricks? Wow! Are sure you are hetero?
@BigAndos Re:"...........no one sane buys a microsoft OS before SP1....."
Well, that was certainly justified with regard to XP. The release version was as buggy and unstable as hell and could best be described as a beta. It was considerably less horrible after SP1 and became a genuinely usable OS (in its time and context) with SP2 (I ignore SP3 because that was largely a roll-up of previous updates). Vista most of us prefer to forget (with or without service packs) and Win7 was damn good right out of the box. Win8? I think I will let that one go without comment - a number of fellow members of our little congregation here at Vulture Hall get into something of a lather on that subject! We will see - that is why I am interested in testing the Technical Preview.
@BigAndos Re: "..........I hope they reviewing the pricing a bit."
Well their pricing for Win 8 Pro (a period of special offer it has to be noted of course) was the keenest they'd ever sold a new Windows edition for. Furthermore, most of the jungle telegraph on the net does seem to be indicating that they will be fairly radical with WinTen especially toward customers with Win7 or Win8. That is not too hard to believe given that (whatever one personally feels about Win8) they have something of a marketing hole to dig themselves out of and their ambitions for the future, one experience across all devices plus the cloud would seem to predicate something fairly "encouraging" with regard to WinTen pricing. Bluntly put, they cannot afford to fuck up with this one, especially in terms of the enterprise market - that is alpha and omega for their (still) new CEO and I am assuming (as a working hypothesis) that he is smart enough to realise that he has to a) deliver a user experience that buries the hostility the Win8 provoked* and b) set prices that will really cause people to sit up and take notice.
*I personally am not anywhere near as hostile to Win8 as many who post here clearly are but that does not blind me to the objective fact that 8 pissed off a lot of techies (both professional and amateur) and thoroughly confused a lot of the great retail unwashed. This is something that Redmond absolutely has to do something about.
Re: Looking forward to playing with the dev preview!
Me too. Got a cheap and cheerful notebook equipped with a touchscreen that I use for this kind of testing. (IE I don't care that much if a possibly unstable build bricks it - albeit temporarily). It will certainly be useful when discussing the os here at El Reg - after all one wouldn't want to post a comment on something one knows bugger all about - although that does not seem to stop some people. ;-)
Re: Had you forgotten that when MS fracked up recently over offering the proper choices.......
I do not know what happened here but my post was a reply to "stephajn".
Had you forgotten that when MS fracked up recently over offering the proper choices.......
...............of browser to those in Europe who had bought a new Windows pc Monkey Boy himself had to ring Brussels and grovel? Regardless, that fuck up is going to cost Redmond several billion dollars (as it should - they did indeed fuck up) and I see no reason why Google should be treated any differently.
Re "The only thing most people know........."
Only if you define "most people" as co-identical with the BWRP.*
*Barking Wing of the Republican Party..
Re: "So..." No old chap.
It is Redmond recognising that, to coin a paraphrase (sic), the times they have been a-changin. It is in fact a sign of the times when a classic example of American tech "BigCorp" no longer considers it worthwhile to hold such a conference in the US itself.
I have to say that this is...........
.........a most good humoured thread. I have had a good chuckle over several of the posts!
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