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Re: "MS won this stoush fair and square" It does appear to be the case time at any rate.....
........even though certain members here will refuse to acknowledge that. The clue lies in the fact that MS and Google issued a joint statement. Mountain View realised that they had pushed the issue too far. That does not mean, of course, that they have "caved in to" Redmond, just that they realised that they would have to negotiate rather than take the mickey. Whatever comes out in the wash will be, hopefully, something that both sides can live with. That is after all the point with negotiations, hmm?
2AC 25th May 01.55 Re: "GOOGLE EVIL EMPIRE FAIL!" My congratulations on a truly.......
.........superb Eadon imitation, it was so lifelike that I can only describe it as frightening.
@Mephistro: I take your point Mephistro.
I can entirely understand that some hardware patent scenarios would not be properly covered by my (rather ill-tempered :)) definition. As far as your point with regard to software patents is concerned I agree and am of the view that it should be a very time-limited form of copyright protection.
I read this paragraph carefully and wonder about one thing............
"“This bill would require plaintiffs to disclose the substance of their claim and reveal their identities when they file their lawsuit; allow defendants to hale into court interested parties; bring fairness to the discovery process; and shift responsibility for the cost of litigation to the losing party. These reforms will deter patent litigation abusers without prejudicing the rights of responsible intellectual property holders.”"
.................why the fuck have these basic common sense precautions not been part of patent law all the time? It is truly astonishing that only now are measures such as this being debated - let alone have any certainty of passing. Oh, and while he is at it he could add a condition for the granting of hardware patents - no working prototype to support the application, no frakking patent.
Re: " Otherwise you're just the forum equivalent of interference on the radio."
Entirely standard practice for that gentleman.
Re: Surface Pro to hit Blighty priced the same as MacBook Air
I entirely agree with your "headline fix". The comparison with an iPad is a spectacularly idiotic piece of click-bait. They are simply not the same type of equipment at all.*
*I am not having a pop at the iPad - just pointing out that it is a wholly inappropriate comparison.
Oh dear me Reg, you are a bunch of michevious little tykes aren't you?
Those of us with more than two neurones firing at the same time are aware that the Finns will not be launching a new flagship before the summer (to include both their hardware update with regard to their camera and "Blue" from you-know-who).
This is not surprising. As many commentards here have pointed out............
.............when Cupertino faced serious competition in the high end of the mobile market, life would get more difficult for them. I do not understand why this attracts such amazed headlines - its markets-101. More competition, life gets harder. Does this mean that Apple are suddenly going to stop earning serious money? No, of course not. They have simply begun to lose their market dominance - an entirely natural progression. A development which even the most die-hard iFanboi ought to welcome for reasons that ought to be too obvious to have to explain.
"Therefore your opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant."
Indeed, however that will not stop him posting the same old, same old.
@Barry Shitpeas Re:"to stay with Apple because of the content lock-in...."
The smart-phone market is of course still young and saturation has not been achieved even in the US or Europe. It will be interesting to see to what extent and for how much longer that the content lock-in trap will be accepted by the average punter. There is a tendency amongst the "meeja" to assume that this will be the eternal condition in the small devices market. However, if we take (for the sake of debate and to have some type of date) 2007 as the launch of the modern mass-market in smartphones (when you-know-who launched you-know-what) then that market is in fact not even seven years old yet. What we could call perhaps "smart phone culture" (in the sociological sense) is still in its infancy - we simply do not know what the average punter will sit still for in, say, 5 years time and nor do the analists*.
*Spelling mistake not accidental!
Re: Impartial Opinion "Impartial Opinion?" Since when have a series of opinionated........
........assertions been any kind of "impartial opinion"? I think that it is you who need the services of the dictionary old chap.
If I could be bothered to take part in this argument.........
..............I would point out that on a thread like this a certain gentleman's postings vary in inverse proportion in intensity and number according to how scared he is that it might, just possibly. be good news for Nokia (or Redmond for that matter). On the basis of his contributions to this thread my statistical analysis says that the Finns are doing gangbusters.
PS. Yes, I am being a trifle satirical.
Re: Can someone grow a pair
Well, funnily enough Samsung had no problem going to the mattresses against Cupertino (and are still engaged in that struggle - a struggle in which I wholeheartedly support them). However, Samsung one of the most cash-rich and powerful companies in the entire industry reached a negotiated agreement with Redmond. I am in no way arguing that that indicates that Redmond's cause is necessarily just but I do have to ask you why you think that a company like Samsung (who was willing to take on the most cash-rich company in the world) would "roll over and play dead" for Microsoft, hmm? Any explanation for that? Other than the impression one gets around here that many of the commentariat believe that the "fat chair-throwing mad bastard" known as "Demon-Lord Ballmer" is indeed in league with The Old One.
RE" it's the Linux/FOSS purists I feel sorry for, must be an embarrassment.............
............ for them to have this sort of representation."
I think that they are likely amongst his keenest downvoters!
Re: Curse of Microsoft
That surely takes the prize as the most idiotic and illogical posting you have so far inflicted upon us - that and your caps lock obsession. If the later bidders bid too much and then had to back out when they realised that Dell and Silverlake's offer reflected a realistic price for the company how then is that Redmond's or (God help us all) Nokia's fault? Your hysterical ravings are getting increasingly embarrassing to read.
Very interesting. The other bidders appear to have outsmarted themselves.............
"This transformation into an enterprise player was supposed to take place away from the glare of Wall St, and part of the reason why the man Michael and VC pal SilverLake Partners bid $24bn for Dell the company.
That offer was branded "woefully inadequate" by Southeastern Asset Management, leading to rival bids being tabled by Blackstone and Icahn Enterprises."
..............by assuming (at the outset) that Dell and Siverlake's bid was an attempt to get the company on the cheap.
@Steve Knox: Analysis? Facts? Logic? You are asking a great deal of that gentleman.
No, sorry old chap please excuse my facetiousness, it is so irresistible when that particular commentard is involved. A highly apposite post from you by the way - thank you.
@IHateWearingATie: I entirely agree.
I currently run a Desire X and a Lumia 820. They are both nice phones at their price-point and I enjoy using them. The Lumia has a build quality (for the price) that reminds me of older Nokia phones. I have no idea whether or not Nokia are going to be able to dig themselves out of the hole they are currently in (a hole that they themselves dug long before their link-up with Redmond) but I am still enjoying using the 820 and the "X" side by side for largely overlapping reasons but sometimes for different reasons. The tribalist/low-forebrow/knuckle-draggers do not understand having any kind of ecumenical attitude to these kinds of choices. They just want to howl their usual, extremely tiresome, song.
The markets are reacting to the medium term trend............
............... - that being the fact that Cupertino now face a degree of effective competition in the mobile sector on a scale that we simply were not seeing as recently as eighteen months or so ago. The stripy shirted sharks have realised that the days when Apple had little effective competition in the high end mob and tab market are definitively over and so are the gravity defying capital gains on Apple stock. Does this mean that Apple are going to fail to make serious money? No of course not but the aforementioned "stripies" loved the situation where Apple had little competition at the high end just as they loved the situation with Microsoft stock in the late nineties. It is one of life's little ironies that a group of people who politically speaking sing of the joys of the free-market much prefer to invest in a company which has a little competition as possible when that will make money for them and their clients.
@Thomas 4 Thank you for that image..............
......."As for Eadon, everyone knows he has his own unique keyboard that he uses for posting on here. It comprises of two very large keys - one saying "Microsoft", the other saying "Fail" and he repeatedly slams his face onto it before clicking the "Submit" button."
It gave me the best laugh I have had for while. The thought of you know who delivering his postings by head-butting his keyboard is absolutely irresistible. It may even be true LOL!
@I ain't Spartacus RE:"......just because of the 2 things I sometimes want in a tablet."
I agree - indeed that is why I am waiting until the "Haswell" chippery comes out. Precisely because I want a proper os and the combination of processing/graphics power and battery life that those devices should give (plus a stylus) (unless of course Intel are totally bullshitting).
@Ross K ".........with the social skills of a 5-year-old." Do you mind! I am aquainted with.......
.......several 5-year-olds in my extended family (third generation and all that*) who are potty-trained.
*Hence the aged and haggard look in my choice of icon.
Re: "Can we all stop pretending.........it's Microsoft and their industry pals........"
Which part of the following did you have reading difficulties with?
"Google will have a green light to offer "manipulated" search results and "to discriminate against competitors" if its preferred competition remedy is accepted by the EU, at least according to 39 national consumer bodies in Europe."*
The fact that Redmond is complaining (bloody cheeky thought that is) does not automatically invalidate the complaint or, by implication, make the above-mentioned national bodies either MS stooges or their "industry pals".
*My added emphasis.
"Re: It's a great way to instantly identify assholes though." Well Bob, it is not often that.......
...........we agree but on this occasion I have to say thumbs up. A very compact description of the sociological criteria for instantly identifying someone that one would instantly wish to avoid.
Re: "Roll out usual down-with-Facebook comments". Well old chap I am an old fashioned....
........sort of guy and people I care about get e-mails, phone-calls and even something so impossibly old hat as a (yes I know, you can scarcely believe what you are reading here) hand written letter. In fact I even go as far as taking the radical step of actually spending time in their company (steady on now, you will scarcely believe this) face to face - I'll bet you are positively aghast to hear that, something so not this century.
Funny Mr Eadon how you managed to work an anti-MS/Win8 angle into a story about.......
..........a FaceBook app on Android devices? I really think you should consider seeking help with your obsessions. Certainly the rest of us would be very grateful if you did.
Ah, no. On this occasion I do not question the postion of the activists involved.
The entire thrust of their statement was a demand that the police actually do their job. Your pompous posting was about as ill judged as it possibly could be.
".....lawsuits as a business strategy...."
It is refreshing to hear a Judge sum up the problem in a nutshell. It is precisely because we have the industry following these tactics as well as the patent trolls (who after all do not have any alternative strategy) that patent law and enforcement has been brought into serious disrepute. The fact of the matter is that most, perhaps all, of the major powers in the industry behave like patent trolls whenever they feel it suits them - that is the problem we have to tackle. When companies which are genuine producers also behave in this fashion then the situation becomes intolerable.
It is certainly true that this does not give either Nokia or RIM anything to celebrate.
However, I would point out that Nokia has had very little success in the US market for a fair number of years (well before they hooked up with Redmond) whereas RIM were "the Man" in the US market (particularly enterprise) not so long ago. For them these figures make for very depressing reading indeed.
Personally speaking I am not at all sure about this "always on" society regardless of who.......
.........is administering it. I think that I am inclined to find a deep cave somewhere and hide in it!
Splendid. It looks as if the "powers that be" have finally begun to take notice. Oh, and no......
........I am not just talking about Cupertino. It is becoming increasingly clear that "The Man" in both the States and in the EU has finally begun to wake up with regard to the way that "BigCorp" (not just the "Patent Trolls") are taking the piss out of patent law. Splendid, shame it took the high profile nature (media-wise) of Apple's fairly shameless judicial carpet-bombing of their rivals (notably you-know-who) to make them wake up. Despite the fact that I do not have very much time for the fruity company I would be the last to pretend that they are the only guilty parties. It is not just the classic patent troll who is at work here - it is the entire fucking industry who is playing this particular tune and it is about time our authorities took notice.
@Andy Prough "We need to take him under our wings and teach him............
............. how to properly handle a computer system."
Indeed. However, though I have considerable respect for your kindly intentions I fear that you would be taking on a labour of Sisyphus. Every time you had just got that boulder to the top of the mountain.....etc....etc.
@Andy Prough Re:" lots of nice guys on the comment boards would love to give you a hand, "
I am sure they would, though precisely where they might to tempted to put that hand (probably with something extremely spiky attached to it) I would not care to say.
@Chris Miller RE:"Actually, it looks like they've tried to sweep his fringe forward........
........................to imitate the 1981 'styling'". Well they certainly couldn't wait for Paul Allen to regrow that beard!
"'Bounce back' patent bounced back by USPTO"
“Bliss it was in this* dawn to be alive
But to be young was very heaven.”
*With apologies and respect to the memory of William Wordsworth for a very slight paraphrasing of "The Prelude".
RE:"does anyone think he would have made a grovelling apology?" We will never know....
..........but faced with losing a market of over a billion people he might, just possibly, have developed a degree of
arse-kissing capacity humility that we otherwise would not associate with that gentleman.
@AC 29th March 01.17 Re:"The sheer levels of protectionism....." Indeed. Several members..
...........started to point out this phenomenon about a year or so ago (no dig at you implied in that remark) and it was clear from some of the responses from our compadres here at El Reg from the other side of the pond that they felt we were just indulging in "anti-Americanism". Events since have in fact proven the point. It is now clear that certain industrial and political "forces" in the US are using both security and, perhaps, patent law to bring in protectionism by the back door. It is fairly shameless. "I will agree/insist upon free and open competition as long as I win" - that is now their policy.
Well it may not be as bad as first feared but the "pipe" between where I live............
............and the US is currently as slow as treacle. Quite what is really going on currently is not entirely clear.
"Cisco revealed that it spends $US50 million annually fighting off.............."
One company has to have that kind of anti-troll spend? JHC! If we needed any further proof of the pernicious effects of the NPE-parasites, the amount that Cisco alone has to spend annually to defend itself against these kinds of attacks would be it.
@Gordon 10 Re:"does my 2 yo really need to see my one shot sniper kill?"
Indeed that is a bit of a problem when it comes to sharing one's experience with the sprogs - the ubiquity of tech in the average home makes establishing the outer borders/limits in relation to younger children something of a challenge.
@frank ly Re: @Nicho re. 'google the un-googleable' It just occurred to me.......
...........that you could probably set it to music as well. How about the melody from that ancient old Andy Williams hit "To dream the impossible dream"?
@frank ly re. 'google the un-googleable' I think that is an excellent idea. In fact I think......
.......that I will introduce the term to my Norwegian colleagues. It would only take a minor spelling change to Norwegianise it. Let me see now. Masc/fem: ugooglebar. Neuter: ugooglebart. Plural form of adj: ugooglebare.
Yes, I think that will do very nicely!
@Nicho I take your point, however I believe they are on a hiding to nothing.
The verb "to google" has already entered most forms of English and, like the Hoover Company, I think that they are on a loser here in the longer term.
Mountain View's postion borders on the idiotic. It is in the nature of success with..........
.........a service or a product that the word enters the language (often as a verb, sometimes as a noun) whether the company concerned likes it or not. Thermos anyone? Hoover? Photostat? Xerox? Roneo? Their only legitimate beef IMHO is if someone attempts to launch a similar product and use terminology involving the name "Google".
@Fred Flintstone Re: "Noted.." I have to confess that being a British English speaker........
.........I had to google that one. As a design principle it is difficult to argue with!
Re: "sulfide atoms?" Yes, something of a non-sequitur there.
One should of course speak of the sulphur atoms or the molybdenum disulfide molecule. As a chemist my instinctive reaction to someone saying or writing "the sulfide..." is to ask "the sulfide of what?". It is not a molecule independent of what it is bound to because it cannot exist on its own. Where S2 exists independently it does so as a gaseous allotrope of sulphur called "disulfur"
@Peter Bond Re: "I took that to simply be a self-deprecating aside." So did I old chap........
..........however the problem here amongst some is they do not even recognise broad satire, still less self-deprecating humour. As far as your personal storage solution is concerned I have to say that I agree (within limits) and indeed have organised my use of my Nexus 7 in that way.
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