177 posts • joined 3 Nov 2009
Re: Just strike on principle!
Given the government are claiming that IT is saving Britain economy and want a UK silicon valley do they want to destroy our economy by outsourcing?
as for "Outsourcing should be illegal, everywhere!" - I'm not sure I totally agree but....
---- all state / government work should NOT be allowed to leave British soil but I can't help think that's just common sense though [not that anybody seems to use common sense these days]
----outsourcing should be illegal outside of Europe (we have to accept 'free EU trade - that part of the deal of being in europe - but india & china we not part of Europe last time I checked']
And as somebody who's work with outsourcing (both in and out of Europe) its shit. It cheap and saves money at the expense of delivering anything. "You can't make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear."
When did anyone use facts when creating (or trying to create) law. If we used proper facts there would probably be less laws and a fair few abolished.
Re: I bet
Three things should come out of this (in no real order)
1. Sackings at the top and lots of them (including the government)
2. Criminal proceedings for such negligence
3. A law stopping patient data being sold or supplied to private companies EVER.
This is serious stuff. And you know insurance companies would love to only insure people who will never claim. This data is too valuable to let loose without responsible ownership and somewhere for the buck to stop with.
Re: Wow the logos are totally different
I actually think the Judge in this case is right - I think you have to consider the context of the companies and the trademark in this case.
YourView is provided by total - a company thats been trading for 15 years according to their website. Regardless of whether YourView is their only product or not they are entitled to their trademark. They provide services to the communications industry. And that is the crucial point imho. BT and TalkTalk also do the same and are jointly providing YouView. So, given they all operate in the same sector its fair to assume that some confusion could potentially arise.
As the Judge pointed out, if they had searched a little harder they would have seen the YourView already in registration and should have considered
a) finding a new name
b) buying up the rights to the name
I don't always agree with some trademark stuff, but this looks like a case when examined from the right point of view to be fairly valid especially when two Giants are late to the table trying to use might over right.
What I would say though, is how much damage has been done so far? I'd imagine that the publicity for Total far outweighs any loss. So other than YouView not being allowed to call it YouView anymore plus paying for the legal costs its probably all square.
But we are all entitled to an opinion, but its the one from the Judge that counts.
There is no point teaching everybody to do the same thing. Its pointless because its self destructive. If everybody can lay bricks you'd never call a bricklayer but you'd all be fucked getting an electrician because everybody is a bricklayer.
With coding while I believe you should have the opportunity to be exposed to it but its not for everybody. My wife thinks its pointless and boring (she's a teacher and supposed to teach it from september!) But its not going to cure all that's wrong with IT or education. Art, music, science and literature are just as important in a diverse market.
You could force me to learn French. I was shit at it. I was certainly never going to make a living at it. So it stands to reason other people are the same with coding.
So imho linus is correct.
Re: At what point will they...
@ac well of course an outsourcing company isn't going to have any. They are trying to do everything at a rock bottom price. Remember, outsourcing is done for cost not quality reasons. Don't even get me started on that one!
And apple don't do low price. You aren't their customer.
Re: At what point will they...
@zot - there is a reason apple will never do that......the open source crowd.
Techies love macs. And when techies love shit you can bet your shirt that they will try like fuck to get that kit into their workplace. Noticed how many enterprises have macs and ipads these days?
While they may at some point make it more difficult (setting hidden away in the control centre somewhere) they are never going to stop it. The second you can't get your favourite open source tool because you can't get it from the store yet is the second the techs will turn. (and my god are we a fickle group) and look elsewhere. And apple are way too smart for that! That said, I think a lot more distribution will come via their app store. Don't get me wrong 30% of your price seems a high price to pay..but in reality they'd normally be giving 30-40% discount on RRP anyway otherwise retailers like amazon etc wouldn't be able to sell at a discount. What it actually means is you will no longer be able to buy at a discount and will always pay RRP. (except when they run an offer on the store)
So, in some ways your are right, the store is coming and it may be your only route for commercial software but they will never lock the door completely that would be [potentially] suicide.
Oh, and don't think apple are alone in this strategy - I'm sure Microshite are planning the same.
Re: The Vikings are Coming!
Probably because nobody would spot it because the relatively small handful would be killed and eaten before anybody noticed or before they have chance to breed.
Its only when they are not eaten alive that anybody pays attention.
Re: Who ate all the pies?
@Preston - lol - but don't you think that is actually the problem. Microsoft didn't hire him. Microsoft hired yes men. And you also need some no men. Because when your no men say yes, you've probably cracked the serious flaws. Whereas the yes men just want to keep getting paid so just keep saying yes.
My problem is, the top end one costs as much as a macbook pro of a equal if not better spec. Way more than an mac air. Screen will be better in either case (apple do seem to have lovely screens the monkeys!).
Now, granted they are aimed at businesses not consumers (a flaw btw!) - look at what apple have done. They got the consumer and now we see Macbooks and ipads in business. Something that even 3 years ago would be a real rarity.
MS (IMHO) need to stop inventing the laptop-tablet. Sometimes I want a tablet. Sometimes I want a laptop. Sometimes I want a hammer, sometimes I want a screwdriver. I can use a decent screwdriver as a hammer but it doesn't give the best finish, and is cumbersome but for a quick job we've all done that!. Sometimes that doesn't work and that's when I get the hammer. Also, putting a screw in with a hammer just is overkill. Nobody invented the screwdriver hammer.[well MS have in my analogy] It doesn't need inventing. I am happy to own both.
Apple (and samsung) have set the bar. Microsoft are way off the mark with this one. I don't want my desktop apps on my tablet. Its a dreadful device to write a document on, but a great device to read one on. Until they get that.....and laptops....really...what percentage of people actually use on on their lap to do anything serious for any period of time.
Oh...I think I need a lie down.....my rant has got out of control...
Re: Oh FFS
Where the #£%& does the 5 million in damages come from? Has it left her unable to walk? Jesus... If she asked for $500 (and that's a lot for not receiving a text) they'd have probably just paid to shut her up. Mind you lawyers don't want to settle for the compensation for the actual inconvenience do they? You can't buy a new house/car with those winning amounts. I'm no fan of apple but I hope this gets thrown out purely for greed.
Re: I don't see this as a problem.
Its horses and courses but my kids love a bit of video chat if myself and/or the wife is away for a night or so. Bless the little blighters but it does provide them with comfort. So while it wouldn't bother me it would them. And while its not an essential feature its a daft one to miss out.
Given this is the kind of thing I'd buy the kids (if they break it you don't get too anoyed at this price point) it does seem silly. My son has the original moto g and I'd be quite happy with the moto g myself (especially now its 4g) if I didn't have a nexus 5. The ssd slot gives it the leg up too imho.
Still, probably for my mum and dad who don't give a toss it may be the way to go.
Maybe its the E for the olds and the G for the yoof'.
Re: Never mind the facts!
@sabroni There is far too much truth in that statement.
I think it's far too easy to take the moral high ground with Linux though based on relatively few serious exploits over the years it's probably partly justified. But just like windows if you don't patch it.....
I'm a big Linux advocate but I also an happy to admit that there are from time to time holes in it. But I'd still rather take my chances with it over windows. In fact I'm off to quickly patch my machines now....
Re: And whilst ranting.....
Yep. I just checked my option for going to work via public transport. 37 miles to coventry. By car its about an hour. By public transport (3 buses and 2 trains plus some walking) an amazing 3 and a bit hours! In fact it takes just 3 minutes longer to cycle according to Google. I also bet that public transport jaunt would cost significantly more than the 6 Quid's worth of diesel each way I spend now.
Makes a mockery - I actually think they should be FORCED to change the company name. If they can't behave in a British way, with British Interests and (or at least European) jobs then they shouldn't be able to claim "British" in the title. You shouldn't be allowed to stamp "made in Britain" when it isn't! (yes, I know we probably get the gas from Russia but you get my point!)
I'm all for finding new pricing models but the movie industry do need to get a grip of themselves.
A movie from google play can cost 6.99 for SD and 9.99 for HD. What I don't get is its the same film - the actors did no more work, they had to film it in the highest resolution anyway. In fact, surely then going on to make a SD version costs money! The actors/directors/etc got paid the same, the distribution cost difference is negligible and I don't believe the royalties are different either. If they can sell the SD for 6.99 then the HD should be 6.99 and the SD version should not exist. Its this 'taking the piss' that consumers don't like. Plus DRM is a pain in the arse.
If they bothered to look at the music industry and the fact they have on the whole grown up and got over the fact that the odd person pirates stuff, now they sell without DRM because enough people buy it. Its cheap, so taking a chance on an album isn't that much of a problem. Plus I can put it on all my devices with little resistance.
So, if they made films DRM free (happy with some hidden watermark as long as it doesn't infringe on me playing it on anything I choose) and cheap then I'd buy more. If films were all £5 I'd buy 10 times the movies I buy now, because when a film costs me £10+ I don't buy that often.
And thats the strange rub, maybe, just maybe selling them cheaper and giving more flexibility they'd sell a lot more and make a *lot* more money. Stack em high, sell em cheap.
I can't help but think a lot of people pirate because it offers more flexibility and a cheap price point. Its not that people won't pay something - I truly believe they will - but if it becomes a real pain to watch it because of your hardware then of course they will take the path of least resistance.
I really thought the movie companies would have got this by now.......seems we are in for a long wait.
@wolf - my apologies for the misjudgement - I've been lucky enough to not have been subjected to the drivel of UKIP marketing machine.
I stand by the rest of my rant though.
@wolf - just because somebody complains of off shoring doesn't make them some kind of closet racest.
I had my entire team off shored. I personally found some of the replacements difficult to work with partly because of the language barrier partly because of ability. I know I'm asking them to speak their non native language so I'm not criticising them in that respect but it does mean the finer detail in what you were asking was often lost even when written down. Also after questioning I find out most of the new team have less than 2 years real work experience which were replacing my guys with 10-20 years.
I also found the outsource company forced them to work as fast as possible and on multiple projects so their attention to detail left a lot to be desired. Also they move on quickly only being required to give 2 days notice before you are given another person to [try to] fill the void.
This left me with many problems
- 5 hour time difference
- lack of experience because of a constantly changing team
- poor quality of work
- terrible stakeholder skills
Still, it was all hailed a massive success because it saved about half a million quid. I was finally let go to pick up another failing project.
What's interesting is that its now all gone to shit. Nothing is being delivered and there is now a 3 month backlog of deliverables. The whole thing has got choked up by a lack of experience.
So....offshoring is shit. Plain and simple. But the bean counters love it because delivering fuck all is hell of a lot cheaper than deliving something that the bigwigs never see.
Re: I don't get it..
Call me paranoid....Who would like to be able to get userids and passwords without tricky legal issues.....
Tin foul hat at the ready.....
Re: Has Bill gone senile?
The biig hurdle that MS just seems unable to contemplate is making ALL their (end user) products multi-platform and (important this) no less functionally rich if not working on a windows platform. (i.e. an Ipad, mac etc).
And once they accept things have changed and concentrate on good, clean functional products not platform tied products they can once more be a modern and more successful business. That 90's practice needs leaving behind to achieve it.
Re: I worry about the squirrels and otters
Have you been reading Linux fud because Ubuntu doesn't take a month to install ;-)
Go for mint, quick install (about 10-15 mins) and a nicer look a and feel than Ubuntu (my opinion) - all the same Debian underpinnings either way.
Re: That has got to be embarrassing for Microsoft
@big_d yes, but that's because nobody wanted their new OS. And they have had 3 years to fix that and still nobody wants their new OS.
As I see it Microsoft have a very embarassing situation on their hands.
If they let XP support expire and the world becomes one big virus ridden botnet then its their fault. Even though they gave fair warning that will be the perception. But a u-turn would be seen as "oh they'll keep extending it". So that's not a winable start point either way.
I reckon they are hoping that they can drown out the bad news with the hoped good news of the big rush of sales on windows 8.1. I don't think this will happen. People don't want to do that kind if thing. You don't replace your washing machine if it still works because zanussi stopped making parts for it. Especially if there is no material value in a replacement. (i.e. Spare parts doesn't count). And remember most of these people won't be techies and understand the value of patching.
What Microsoft should have done is reskinned windows 8 with an alternative XP style(a bit like Linux has with gnome,KDE etc) and made it cheap (Like 19.99) and less resource hungry to run on older kit. People like the XP/windows 7 experience and making them not have the choice is the mistake.
This isn't going to end well for anybody on either side of the fence.
"At one point, she noted that master NSA squealer Edward Snowden had damaged the image of national security by exposing the scale of surveillance being carried out by spooks on both sides of the Atlantic."
You only look bad if you've acted bad. And this potential bill just looks to *try* and legitimise what you are doing anyway.
I made a birthday cake for my wife. Nobody knows other than my family but if that leaked out - other than me looking a bit soft perhaps it doesn't make me out to be a bad bloke.
If I'd setup a webcam to watch the "fit bird" [nice bit of 1970's sexism ;-) ] over the road and that leaked out everybody would think I was a dirty pervert. And that would be because I'd have acted like a pervert.
If you don't want to make the national security look "bad" then make cakes. But you've been setting up webcams haven't you.[actually yahoo webcam sniffing ] Deal with it. Accept you've been caught and take your thoughts on snooping and stuick them so far up your own arse you can taste them.
Re: Kettle, met pot, pot meet kettle
This is actually the problem with Microsoft and where they have totally lost their way since slowly having their Monopoly ebbed away.
They have two options -
a) fight like dogs to keep their monopoly (a battle they will eventually loose even if this approach keeps them going for another 20 years)
b) Embrace the opportunity to compete fairly on merit and actually implement the Open standard.
You can't deny office is good (and I'm no fan of Microsoft) but they got to the top by not playing fair with wordperfect, borland, lotus and the like. They don't like that open office is starting to scrape away at (potentially) government. They know its a slippery slope from there.
If I'd been Microsoft I'd have gone for the second option and use the "positive PR" to show what damn good eggs we are these days and how oh we've changed. (Even if on the inside you are fuming) By doing what they are doing people just think Microsoft are a bunch of scum bags and that in actual fact the decision for open standards is actually the right way to go. (Which it is btw)
As I've said before, the government need to really kick this bunch out to field and make them compete on a fair and even basis.
We need to save money and Office isn't cheap. How many people use more than 10% of word (I don't and I use it every day!) or 10% of excel (again, its my tool of choice for presenting data and I use this A LOT). Could I do my job with Libre Office - er... yes I could. In fact, importing data in Libre Office is a damn sight better than with Excel (Excel does make prettier document though)
I guess the question is would we save enough money rolling out Open Office to the government vs paying the licence fees and sticking with the shitty standards....
Well here is a thing - turns out all the XP desktops have got to be replaced anyway so sticking a different office into the build is a negligible cost - you'll be retraining the staff anyway if they end up on Windows 8 or the latest office if they've been stuck on 2003. So, yes, it is cost effective. In fact, this **is** the opportunity to save money!
I love prime and think its worth every penny. However, the reason I've never taken out a lovefilm subscription is because it doesn't support android. (kindle fire doesn't count, you can't connect one to the telly with a cable as far as I can tell)
Given I a) don't want to buy a new TV b) pay the microsoft tax [xbox live] to allow my Xbox to access the internet [the sole reason I will never buy another xbox ever!!!] c) buy an ipad (personal thing this but I prefer android and given we as a family have now got 4 android tablets I don't see the need for another one just to watch a film)
I can only see me cancelling my prime account now, can't say its worth £80 a year to me.
Hey-ho, still got 6 months left and still enough episodes of breaking bad on netflix to keep me going.
Re: Smart move
You could price your software to make buying second hand seem a pointless exercise. Or you could try and maintain artificially high prices by making second hand difficult, legally dubious or just impossible to buy.
Knock on effect though is people start looking for alternative cost solutions - if the price is a problem and you are buying second hand probably for economic reasons you are sure as shit going to look at open source if you can't buy at a significant discount. Next thing you realise that open source may be the only way forward for your budget.
Microsoft and co should be careful what they wish for.
Re: Bears and woods....UK Gov IT is all bears and woods!
...ditto. And most of the guys who worked there were learning on the job and weren't that good at learning either. They were far more interested in lunch time, their holidays and general entitlements not to mention getting their moneys worth out of the sick leave. Oh, and you never see one do any extra hours without 'overtime'. [which was rarely on offer....so no extra then]. And the manager seem hell bent on making the wheels turn as slowly as possible.
Not saying everybody who works in Gov tech are all like that, but I've worked on gov projects a couple of times over the years and none of the projects have ever left me to conclude anything different than the above.
Re: How about @HollyHopDrive
@Steve Todd - no not at all - I'm not a developer (miss the days though!) migrated up the tree a bit. [better money, shittier work :-) ] but the stuff is obviously so out of date you need to sort the problem properly, not a half arsed fix.
The "web" has matured enough to allow browser based applications to be good enough as fat client. I'm not naive enough to suggest this is a quick 6 month project and all will be well, but a 5-10 year plan to sort things out properly. And one of the things that has to go is legacy crap.[it may be functionally ok but if it isn't a strategic solution built for the future it needs to go] You wouldn't keep an 15 year old ambulance with 15 year old equipment in would you? But likewise, you can't just throw them away and expect nothing to fill the gap. So, you just have to say, we are going to refresh everything but anything that we buy or put in from this point forward must be new and conform to the following criteria. No exceptions.
The NHS are a massive customer, if you tell the vendor it must be modern browser compatible or it will be replaced with one from your competitor. I'll tell you now, those companies will rally round and fix the problem. Open standards too so you can get your data out!!
If the software isn't modern, its probably riddled with security nightmares anyway, so likewise it probably needs to go sooner rather than later.
I'm very aware of the NHS. In fact I've worked on many a government project. And they always strike me as very political, big divides and the wheels that turn so slowly you wonder if they do actually move at all.
I'm just saying it needs somebody with some big balls to come in and shake this shit up. Not just throw some money at it and hope the problem goes away. It won't, but if you don't make some strategic plans to get out of this cyclic mess you will be doing the same thing again in 5 years time having blown a couple of billion we can little do with wasting a second time!
I for one as a taxpayer in the "shouldering the burden" tax bracket don't like this current bunch of fuckwits wasting my hard earned pennies. No commercial business would last with the same attitude to blowing money on failed projects and half fixes without going bust, so why does the public sector think its ok? Is it because they can just tax us all a little harder rather than addressing the real issue of just trying to spend less in the long term?
Re: How about
This is a ****ing outrage that such a large amount of money will be essentially pissed into the wind because the uk gov were not rid of XP in time. In a time when we are supposed to be saving money, giving what will probably work out to be measurable in billions (by the time all the other periphery bollox has been added in). I wouldn't mind, but I'd put money on MS not paying tax on the profits from that lot!
I'm not blaming microsoft here (though to be fair they've got their clients by the short and curlies) but our incompetent overlords. And they claim they aren't paid enough.
Now, getting these chaps of XP is going to be nothing short of expensive (ignoring the XP support costs). Because, Microsoft of course are going to recommend Windows 8. Which means new hardware. Which means more cost. Then of course, none of the jeffin software will probably work on it, not to mention the ridiculous re-training to be able to use office 2013 and windows 8. To people who's full time job doesn't revolve around technology.
The only acceptable answer to sorting out this mess is
All software products that don't have to be physically connected to a PC should only be browser accessible. If you can't use it through a browser it shouldn't be allowed. This then separates your client products from your server products and maximises future choice
All software should have to work 100% with ANY two browsers (Chrome / Firefox / IE / Safari) on any platform. If it doesn't it will fail the 'refresh test'. This stops vendor lock in to software (I'm looking at you microsoft)
Office applications should be browser based - Office 365 / Google / whatever as long as it meets the browser test.
Desktops should be refreshed based on need - Old XP machines recycled with Linux for kit that is passable (anything HP/Dell etc less than 4 years old should be fine) - remember - we are only going to be running a browser if done correctly!
Windows 7 kit for everything else (minimal re-training)
And last but least - Don't just give Microsoft the cash - they are charging premium money here - If they cock it up and there is any kind of mess / data breach they are responsible for ALL costs multiplied by 3. Loss of patients records should be deemed to be £10k per patient (times 3 - 50% payable directly to each patient concerned) - Risk vs reward. (rather than just reward which looks to be the chosen model)
Christ....maybe we should just go back to paper - at least it never stopped being supported by biros.
I did walk into Curry's and buy one on a humax freesat box a couple of months ago and I like it. Bit peeved if they muck it up now.
I don't mind spending 200 on a new box every 2 or 3 years as i wont subscribe to skys overpriced tish and it more than pays for itself in comparison
Re: Go for it?
Oh my god.... I haven't laughed that much in ages. That is the best interview I've seen. I'm still wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes........
I've ranted before about teaching kids to code, but apparently you can build a website in an hour. Does make you question if its that jeffin' easy how come the government have had to get big consultancies in to build all this IT stuff. We've spend billions when apparently a days training and a couple of hours work would have sorted everything.
Mind you, IMHO Michael Gove seems to know bugger all about education (having gone to school doesn't make you an expert in education in the same way using the tesco website to do your shopping doesn't make you a web developer) so this level of apparent incompetence should come as no great shock.
eCards....brilliant......economic and job crisis over.....
"What is code" and then that look from the woman....hahahhaha......I'm going to be smiling about this all week.
Re: Have they picked the right tablet
The bit I don't understand is how does an iPad make a policeman more productive? Surely expecting a policeman to know his beat and have a bit of a gut instinct would be better rather than relying on him to wait for his iPad to tell him something is up.
I can't imagine for one second that writing up a report that Mr X is alledged to have done Y in public view in Starbucks is going to stand up particually well from either a data protection point of view or from a victims / accused point of view either.
I wish people would stop thinking technology is the answer to a problem. Technology can hep sometimes but most of the time it just gets in the way of people at the coalface.
Smells of PR and backhanders all the way....
Re: Did I just read a thinly veiled mysogynistic rant or what?
Misogyny or (large amount of) Truth......you decide.
For example, last week I tried to help my wife out being a nice bloke and seeing she was a bit late. "I'll drop the boy off today if you can drop Hannah at the childminders" [for context, "The Boy" is a 10 minute drive each way in the wrong direction where Hannah needs dropping 200 yards down the road.]
This woke the Crazy, and not by a gentle nudge awake but by Smashing it in the face with a wrecking ball. "Oh, easier for you is it?? Suits you to do that doesn't it" (it doesn't but usually we do it the other way around and I still don't get the logic she used to get there).
Anyway, four times since then she's wanted to do it this way around so she can get to work quicker. And I've still not received a "I'm sorry for the over-reaction" or "you were right" or "that really helps me out"
The case for the prosecution rests M'lud.
Re: Is there an option to do that
"... there had never been a "single example of that data being compromised".
No, in 25 years there has never been an example
b) reported properly
And as we all know past performance is no guarantee of future performance.
It concerns me because as we all know, data governance has historically never been that good in public bodies. I know from time I've spent in the 90's on government projects data was whizzed about with little care. Dev & Test databases were just copies of live. Code and snapshots just left on network shares and I'm sure I saw the odd contractor laptop on the LAN.
So, smells of bullshit to me.
Also, this data is worth a fortune to some people so I'd imagine anybody who can 'borrow a copy' would get a handsome reward. And lets be honest, its not like the private sector is known for its honesty - why would an insurance company not like this data - even unofficially.
Thats why I opted out, and god help the doctor if he still decides to give my (and my families) data away. You can't stop it once its out there which is a major objection of mine! Maybe if they were more transparent about what they will actually give away I'd be a lot more willing.
Its a good idea but very badly implemented with what looks to me very little safeguard. (a promise to be really really careful honest - isn't a safeguard!)
Right....where is my tinfoil hat...
what about a game for the over 50's where they have to chew on candy without breaking their teeth.......we could call it.......SAGA CANDY CRUSH
"This article is the answer to the commonly heard statement "why would I get an iOS device, you can't do as much with it".
Spoken like a true idiot.
Apart from the fact that this is a bit 'theoretical' as pointed about by the above posters I'm really confused about who is plugging their android device into a PC to sync it??? Why do you need to do that (other than unless you are a developer doing some DEV). Its by far and away the best 'cloud' O/S there is. Google's stuff is seamless, dropbox is perfect and if you really need to do some 'file moving' then ES explorer from your phone/tablet is your friend over wifi.
Android - because you can do much with it but you can also *choose* not to.
Re: "Windows phone = loser"?
Until Microsoft have a radical rethink they are going to be floundering until they eventually die.
Windows phone isn't getting the traction (regardless of the hype 250% increase on 10 handsets isn't difficult 250% increase on 10,000,000 handsets is a different thing) . Its the Vista of the mobile world. The Eco system has been built by Apple and Google. What MS should do is ditch surface and win mobile and adopt android (bare with me here folks) and reskin android a bit like Samsung and amazon have done. I don't see the obsession with writing the whole OS when you can skin the bit the consumer sees and comes to love.
They have bought one of the best handset manufacturers in the world - use it to make nice hardware - use the Nokia brand within Europe where it is still remembered fondly. Stop ruining it with windows.
Obviously there isn't going to be Google services but there would be Microsoft services instead (app store etc). So now write all the office apps for android. Release them for free on your hardware and charge in the Google store. Get over the fact Google will take 30%. That way you sell your hardware with free office (the value add) and dont loose the chance to get normal android people into MS products and make money.
Write a MS Android pro version that connects for the corporates and can be controlled via AD etc. This gives corporates a reason to buy Nokia devices.
Best rub of all is most people who have written apps for android can release *easily* on to your platform with little additional cost or effort. And you now get to take advantage of the android market share because companies will already have written for android. So now, you share an Eco system without trying to grow your own market from scratch.
Don't ignore iOS - face facts it has a massive market share that dwafs yours so write a native office for it. Charge decent money for it. Apple users are (according to the surveys) more affluent - and people would pay for office (look how well apples own offerings are doing here)
Until they accept they no longer a monopoly and the market is swimming away from them and that its now MS that are the small fish in a big pond they will never regain respect or a decent share at the middle and top end.
Oh....and change their name - Microsoft - its so 1980's - time for a radical rebrand.
Just my opinion though.....
@Getriebe your "awkward buggers - the Brits" probably are awkward because you clearly appear to be a right berk to work for and your total lack of empathy for your UK counterparts makes them awkward. Much easier to get a good result if you use sugar rather than salt.
When off-shoring is forced on you and all your team is located in the same place you don't have a culture to take the best bits from - they are all the same but less rounded than the UK people. That's not 'having a go' at them but a fact that they aren't as experienced. When they are all equally as wet behind the ears it causes problems. When the shit hits the fan as a result the UK people get a bit miffed because it becomes their problem - one that if it had been done in the UK probably wouldn't have happened (annoyance number 1). You devalued them off-shoring their job (or thats the perception they have thus annoyance number 2) but you want them to sort out the mess by your own cost cutting (annoyance number 3). Oh, and you don't want to pay them any extra. (annoyance number 4)
I understand that off-shoring can make commercial sense when done correctly - but if it affects the general morale this will eventually lead to poor customer satisfaction - which will make your business ultimately less profitable. Its not a magic wand that you can export your whole business - it should be used in balanced moderation.
You should also consider if doing this is actually best for the UK economy. Given the lower tax earning thsese days, higher unemployment - sometimes its better to see the bigger picture - if every business had kept a few more jobs in the UK the bigger impact my actually help us all. Mind you, you don't sound like that kind of guy.
Having lost my team of UK contractors to a team of "off shore" resource I don't have a great story to tell. As said earlier in the thread, lack of problem solving ability is the biggest problem. Then there is a total lack of proper testing mentality, wanting to be spoon fed every technical detail and the quality of the code when I review it is shocking. Short cuts taken, layout is awful and inconsistent and as for hard coding everything...my god. After much fighting with management I've been made to lower my standards and accept is like working 20 years ago when that kind of practice was acceptable.
When I enquired about the skill levels I was told most of the team have 1-2 years experience at best. And it shows. Don't get me wrong, we've all blagged a job or claimed to be better than we really are and there are genuinely a couple of 1/2 decent bodies in the off shore capability but the vast majority (in my experience) are inexperienced and not very good at even basic problem solving yet alone technical skills.
Everybody needs to earn a crust so I can't blame off shore companies that make a (relative to their own market) lot of money - I just think you get what you pay for. You want to pay 500-700 a month for you techie you be my guest - but I'm not staying late to sort out their mistakes. (which I now refuse to do)
squeeky wheels don't grease themselves. And some companies must spend a lot on grease to mitigate the problem. Whether any slippery products were applied in this particular case is a different matter but looking at some previous upheld claims by various companies you can't help but wonder.....
Re: Now consider...
And if the bunch of goons I'm now forced to use for offloading my technical work to are "typical" of Indias technical elite I'd say I'm well within the top 1% worldwide.
They can't code with any insight into maintainability and standards are something they don't apparently have to follow. Testing is for somebody else to do (cos they clearly never do it) and it takes 10 times longer and then still has to be reworked another 10 times. Your advice and suggestions are greeted with contempt and rarely do we ever met a deadline.
But they are cheap and the bean counters are therefore happy. But you get what you pay for.
But to call them IT pros would be stretching it to say the least. Keen amateur would be much more appropriate.
If you look at the state of Linux in 2003 vs it today it's a different beast. Hardware support is now excellent on the whole and Intel has now committed to not blindly following Microsoft for support. I.e. even better Linux support.
Also the figure of 6 desktops per day is ridiculous. Id imagine the early part of the project was about looking at the estate as it stood. Finding the alternatives that work over a number of pilot projects.
Anyway, it proves it can be done and I'd imagine the long term savings of this will be seen over the next 10 years.
Our government would do well to look at this study and work out if it would pay to get out of bed with Microsoft and stop signing these stupid deals.
And if all its going to set us back is 30 million then that's an investment for the future that will pay far bigger dividends than a new NHS or W&P system. (And far cheaper)
Re: A sliding slope on the thin end of the metaphor
I totally agree. All this does is divide and make a wider problem. The real clever ones will just go deeper underground and the more stupid will put it in more public places. Both are worrying as it becomes easier to accidently stumble upon which will become more difficult to block and the underground stuff more difficult to trace.
So I can only conclude this policy serves two purposes a) to be seen to be doing the right thing and shut up the campaigners and b) serve the real agenda of wider censorship. (Tin foil hat now in place)
Re: And the worst thing is...
Yes, correct, but if it has all the permissions why would it bother with the unlock screen 'hack', it would just push all the data over the data connection without you ever knowing. Having to have access to the device would be a bit of a ball ache.
So flaw yes, massive problem no.
here we go again
Prepare to spunk £20 billion on an over complex poorly designed system that will deliver on few of its promises including being on time or in budget but will go to one of the old faithful non corporate tax paying consultancies that regularly fucks stuff up without penalty.
I fail tree see when we can't even do a system for welfare or health that we have a cat in hells chance of doing border security.
Could be wrong but history paints a bleak picture.....
And I'm sure......
...they will also publish the "decline of traditional retailers and the high street" which shows a purely coincidental but pretty much idetical decline rate.
Lies, damn lies and statistics .....
Re: 3 are great...
Yep, I thought that and moved to GiffGaff. (o2) Got much better indoors signal but slower 3g data. I got more dropped calls and outages all over the shop. I've also got the wife on EE (on the basis that one of us will have a signal). And when I don't have a signal on three, I pretty much don't have a signal on EE. So that plan worked out real good! (not)
Seems all networks are a bit shit in one way or another. You pay your money.....
If I understand the science correctly (and I'm sure readers will correct me) the reason three have poor indoor penetration is because they operate on a higher frequency which isn't so good at getting past bricks, but the flip side is its also the reason their (3g) data is so much faster when you do get a signal compared to the others.
I've moved back to three, 18 quid a month for a one month rolling contract for all you can eat data (including tethering) (plus oodles of calls and texts) can't be beaten (even close) by anybody else. And I've done 10gb+ (1/2 tethered) in a single month (was on a long uk holiday and watched some iplayer) and they truly don't seem to give a shit (even pointed it out to me when I left the first time)
I'm sure one day it will all be lovely, until then find a network that works for you and live with the issues.....
Re: Get Suffed Oracle
So, to get this right, the class object Integer has a method .toString() returns the string of integer. Any they claim to own copyright over that template. Clearly clutching at straws.
And as for the harry potter analogy -they've got that wrong. Harry potter is just a "Book" which is generic. All books have chapters, contents and indexes. The individual implementation [i.e. the text] of that can be copyrighted, but to claim anybody who writes a book violates JK's copyright is clearly a first class idiot. Even if its a story about wizards that has the same number of chapters as the Philosophers Stone. I'm also guessing that chapter titles probably aren't copyrightable too (may be wrong there though) Oh, and I'm guessing 'preface' or 'introduction' is too generic too :)
Have we learned nothing....
....from the whole snowden thing? (not his leaking of documents but what he actually leaked) - the spooks of all nations seem to have infiltrated a lot of big companies either by hook or crook. Either way it makes no jeffin' difference - this is not a secure way for *any* government to do business with data. I don't care if its the MP's paper clip expenses or nuclear weapons purchases it shouldn't be in the cloud.
And as for letting M$ get the gig, jeezus. We need to get out of bed with that one. (I'm not suggesting google would be better btw) - but thats one supplier that needs to be removed from their far too powerful position within gov. Then again your average MP is a bit simple and probably couldn't cope with anything else or understand why alternatives may actually be cheaper.
Anyway, if they move gov data to cloud and this will end in tears I predict.... (not least from our own hacking newspapers :) [though I hope I am proved wrong]
Re: Do what we want, not what we say
Well, first off when the gov stop raping us bare with income tax etc so we can actually afford to make not having to take the cheapest option viable then I'll think about it.
Secondly get your own house in order first and stop awarding large (mostly IT) contracts to large multinational companies that also pay no fucking tax. And then, and only then will I listen to things like this.
@ac - I think the fact that microsoft gave intel a cheekly slap with the tablets (partly because intel didn't have anything nearly good enough) is as you say a sign things aren't well between them. But this is a clear strategy from Intel to actively support other products and not use windows as their primary driver.
This is good news for Linux as a whole as we will no doubt see much better support for processor features (and their graphics chipsets too). However, MS will no longer have influence to make their OS run better. Intel have made that clear by their statement. Intel want to compete by being the best of breed and a primary MS strategy isn't going to help them achieve that anymore especially when Windows is no longer flavour of the month.
Looks like MS were [sort of] right "Linux is a cancer" - well it seems to *them* it is, but for the rest of us its quite the reverse - its the breath of fresh air that the IT industry needed, and actually, it looks like MS were the cancer that has been crippling the IT sector for a long while.
My opinion of course and I'm sure all the MS lovers will downvote the post but its a sinking ship my friends, there are holes opening up all over and everybody is deserting it (consumers, hardware manufacturers and I'm sure corporates will follow eventually) - just got a feeling it could be a long and drawn out process of listing before it finally sinks below the waterline.
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