* Posts by RyokuMas

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Android gives Google a search monopoly? Not so fast, says judge

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>> requiring makers of Android smartphones to bundle its search app on their devices.

No it does not. There are plenty of Android devices that do not have nor require Google search installed: Amazon's Kindle, Nokia's X, many small makers.

And what kind of market share do these Google alternatives have? Most of them are barely visible on Google's search unless you are looking for them specifically. The fact is that an average spod who walks into Phones4U (or somewhere similar) looking for an Android handset will walk out with something running the Google-based flavour.

It was also possible about 15 years ago to buy a desktop running something other than Windows, thus avoiding having IE pushed on you as the default browser... but very unlikely to happen for the average man.

Fortunately, we seem to have dodged the Android Silver bullet... for the time being at least.

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Choice...

"But it's just a well known and widely used tool. Users do have a choice."

Users also had a choice to download Mozilla, Opera or another browser back when Microsoft bundled IE with Windows - not that that mattered then, or even now, the way some comments read.

Legal precedent has been set.

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Forget Google's robot cars, now it's on to ANDROID cars

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One little sentence...

... buried in the mix:

"It could also provide Google with a brand-new treasure trove of data to feed to its ravenous search and analytics engines."

Substitute "could" for "will" and you're pretty much there. Although the way things are going, it's a fairly safe bet that anyone providing an OS for this sort of purpose would end up data mining it.

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Microsoft fires legal salvo at phone 'tech support' scammers

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Re: But what does the scammers EULA say?

"It certainly appears that any criticisms of Microsoft elicit lots of mysterious down votes."

Every major player has its faithful that will downvote anyone who dares suggest that their beloved Microsoft/Google/Apple/[insert company here] are wrong.

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EU Google-bashing is making us look really bad, say Google bashers

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Re: Microsoft has a long term plan

"The vendetta looks to originate from Microsoft."

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah!!! Please! Someone send this guy a tinfoil hat!

Seriously, it's not healthy to hold a grudge like this for so long. Yes, we all know that Microsoft have done some downright filthy things over they years, but to immediately round on them when another big corporation starts getting questioned? Jeez, next thing will be that the axing of Google Earth API at the end of next year will be due to the actions of all the Microsoft staff who have "defected" over the years actually being trojan horses!

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Slough or Antarctica? Well, at least Antarctica has penguins

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Poetry...

"Come friendly bombs and fall on Antarctica..."

Nah, just doesn't quite have the same ring.

I'll get me coat.

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Hold the front page: Spain's anti-Google lobbyists lobby for Google News return

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Translation:

Googlese:

"So it’s with real sadness that on 16 December (before the new law comes into effect in January) we’ll remove Spanish publishers from Google News, and close Google News in Spain."

English:

"We own web searching world-wide. Play by our rules."

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Google vows: Earth will VANISH in 2015

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Pot and kettle...

So - spend time building and promoting an API, allow developers to invest time and energy building applications based on it - some of whom may now depend on said applications to make their livelihood - then axe it.

Bravo Google. A classic Microsoft-style move if ever there was one.

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Spanish scraper scrapped: Google axes Google News

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Re: "We're not a monopoly, honest..."

"I *think* what you actually mean is Google are evil because of all the *eyeballs* they control. Except the owners of the eyeballs chose Google of their own free will."

Ah, the old battle-cry of the Google supporter - "you can always choose not to use Google!"...

... but can you? As the AC has said above - if you have a directory for looking things up and you choose not to list your business in that directory then you're not going to get found and not do very much business.

The fact is that Google is the biggest "directory" on the internet by a country mile - period. To "choose not to use" is - unless you have a fantastic marketing budget - tantamount to business suicide. Go out onto the street and ask any average bod how you find something on the internet. I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% say "Google it" - a company name has now become a verb in common everyday use.

I'm not debating the hows and whys of how they got to this position as I don't have all the facts - although I will admit that Google do have a damn good search engine. But the point is that the internet real estate they have almost monopolistic control over is "search" - and therefore the power to control who gets discovered and who does not (including potential startup competitors and anyone Google "just doesn't like").

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Re: "We're not a monopoly, honest..."

"Oooh, you are gonna get SUCH a downvoting for that!"

What can I say? Truth hurts. I remember the browser wars too, and loads of FUD-spreading from the Microsoft faithful, and look how that turned out - 15+years on and there's still people holding grudges.

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Re: "We're not a monopoly, honest..."

"Google: ok, we won't pay so we'll remove your news headlines from our service... Where's the evil?"

The evil lies in the fact that thanks to the huge amount of internet real estate they control, Google can pretty much decide who get the publicity to stay in business, and who is dropped into obscurity and financial ruin.

It's like watching certain live football games a few years back when Sky had all the rights - if you wanted to, you could go digging around and chance watching it on some obscure Russian stream that also carried a payload of viruses (happened to my mother-in-law)...

... but most people would stump up and pay for Sky, because that was the only thing they knew. Same as the browser wars - even at that point, it was possible to choose a different browser... but most went with what was already there as part of what they already knew.

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"We're not a monopoly, honest..."

... but if you don't do things our way, we'll ensure you disappear from the internet.

"Don't be evil" - yeah, right.

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Microsoft's dodgy new Exchange 2010 update breaks Outlook clients

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Wow.

Too bad Eadon got banned - this is probably the one time he would have posted "EPIC FAIL" and I'd have agreed with him...

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BOFH: Santa, bloody Santa

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It's been a few years...

Another BOFH, another appearance for Gina...

Could this mean that - for the first time since the PFY - we're getting a new permanent addition to the BOFH family*?

* The boss doesn't count, as there have been so many over the years. Blame stairwells, lifts doors that opened without the presence of lifts, over-voltage cattle prods, skips full of glass, spontaneous mental breakdown, etc., etc.

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This Christmas, demand the right to a silent night

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This is why...

... my personal gear and accounts are sacrosanct - strictly off-limits for work purposes.

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MP caught playing Candy Crush at committee meeting: I'll ‘try’ not to do it again

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Re: "engaging in such a brain-dead moron-fodder activity."

"When did puzzle games become moron fodder?"

They didn't. Falling for King.com's social engineering tricks that keep people coming back to this farce they have created by cloning CandySwipe is the moron-fodder aspect.

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Lowest common denominator...

The worst kind of person playing the worst kind of game from the worst kind of studio. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

... I'll get me coat.

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Huawei: 'Nobody made any money in Windows Phone'

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Re: Sic transit gloria mundi

"Xbox was a long haul."

... but that had the advantage of almost no Microsoft brand association whatsoever.

Certainly, it's not like having "Microsoft" stamped down the back of your handset.

The problem is that "Microsoft" and "Windows" still have a large amount of toxicity associated - a large chunk of this is due to some absolutely horrendous decisions, probably made due to complacency, on the part of management.

Another part is that while people in tech often love being up with the latest and newest things, a great many seem to love living in the past when it comes to holding grudges - the near habitual anti-Microsoft posts of a number of commentards on here are proof enough of that.

Microsoft would do well to rebadge their mobile offering in an Xbox-like manner (although I can see Apple kicking off at "Xphone"), and re-invent themselves. The recent open-sourcing of .net was a step in the right direction, but there's still huge amounts of ground to make up.

I can't help wonder though - will Microsoft get another crack of the whip when Google inevitably falls, or will it be someone else's turn?

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Google turns on shiny new .google top-level domain – but WHY?

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Predatory pricing...

"If it does provide this service, then the US$50 a year plus $100-$500 hosting costs of other domains may suddenly start looking a little steep."

In many places predatory pricing is deemed anti-competitive and is illegal.

At what point does offering free stuff - or "free stuff with lots of extras (eg: huge storage space)" become anti-competitive?

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Who's been writing in my apps? Googlilocks builds new apps-tracker

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"new security tools to help Google Apps users take more control of their security online"

Yup, all about giving users more security. Absolutely nothing to do with the fact it's yet another data stream for Google to harvest. No sir.

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Let's vote on breaking up Google, say MEPs with NO power to do any such thing

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Re: Precedent has been set...

"One does not HAVE to type http://google.com into the address bar and press return. With MS, there was no alternative installed."

Key word - "installed". Back in the browser wars era, even with IE bundled, I could have searched for and installed Firefox or Opera.

Similarly, if I were to install Chrome right now, I could type "http://www.duckduckgo.com" into the address bar and search from there. However, if I enter something that isn't a web address, it goes through Google's search.

There were browser choices then, and there are search engine choices now. What there is very little choice in, however, is what happens when you are on the web - and this is the crux of the problem. Regardless of what search engine you use to get there, the chances are that the site you're visiting will have Google analytics and tracking. So regardless of what search engine I've chosen to use, the chances are that Google have data about me.

Hell, the entire SEO industry is founded on the principle of trying to second-guess how Google wants your web page to behave and jumping when they tell you to. I don't hear any talk of Duck Duck Go analytics or rankings...

So - coming back to the idea of choice: there were other browsers available, but because Microsoft had bundled IE with Windows, and so the average Joe didn't bother looking any further. In other words, the reason the issue came about was awareness. Now consider searching the internet for something... except we don't search for it any more, do we? We Google it. Yes, just like "Hoover" for example, "Google" is now part of common parlance as an adjective. So people don't learn about choice, they learn about Google, just like when Windows told them to use Internet Explorer (conveniently bundled) whenever they wanted to get online back in the day.

And so we reach the present: Google has managed to get such a stranglehold on the web that major players are forced to bow to their will, or suffer loss of ranking. Other search engine choices get little publicity (or are tainted by their parent company's past), and even if we do use another search engine, unless we go out of our way to avoid it, our data is Google's property if we want to do anything on the web.

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Precedent has been set...

The thing is, we've been here before, nearly 15 years ago, when it was decided that by bundling their internet browser with their OS, Microsoft had become a monopoly and were engaging in practices contrary to competition law.

Even now, nearly a decade and a half later, there are many who are all to quick to remind us of how Microsoft took such a massive fall - many of whom are now championing Google.

So not only is the idea of a giant corporation having such access to individuals' data and almost unilateral control of the web a concern to many, but there is also a legal precedent for dealing with a case in which a company in the IT sphere has reached a position where they can effectively prevent any competitors from challenging them.

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Europe may ask Herr Google: Would you, er, snap off your search engine? Pretty please

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Excellent idea!

"Google should just block all European IPs for a week"

... instant proof of Google's monopoly! The damage to business and commerce should easily be enough to invoke all the anticompetitive laws under the sun and ensure Google go the same way as Microsoft when they tried to bundle IE with Windows...

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Re: Euro Jealousy

"NO ONE IS FORCED TO USE GOOGLE!!!"

I've said it before and I'll say it again: find me reputable websites where I can do what I need to do - shopping, banking, information lookup etc. - that aren't polluted with Google facilities (tracking, analytics, web fonts and so on), and I'll use 'em.

Like Microsoft with Windows and IE bundling back in the 90s, people are beginning to wake up to the effective monopoly Google have built up and the potential for its abuse. How about a ruling that states that Google's Chrome browser has to offer a choice of search engines? After all, this would follow the aforementioned IE bundling precedent...

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Windows Phone will snatch biz No 2 spot from Android – analyst

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Careful...

@dogged - steady! You can have comments deleted for accusing people of being shills these days*!

* unless they're Microsoft shills - apparently that's still ok.

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Google Contributor: Ad-block killer – or proof NO ONE will pay for news?

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Re: Why!

"Do we need google for everything????"

Google - and their brainwashed masses - are doing their damnedest to try and convince us that this is the case...

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Google, Rockstar to bury zombie Nortel patent lawsuit

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Or, maybe...

"Is it now if you can't beat them, join them to improve the revenue stream?"

The major players recognised just how dangerously powerful Google has become, and made the move in an attempt to redress the balance...

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Be real, Apple: In-app goodie grab games AREN'T FREE – EU

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"Google immediately volunteered to stop using the word "free" when games contain in-app purchases"

... and watch the Android piracy rate leap ever higher...

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Giving mobile users the applications they want is child's play

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Re: Alternatively

1) Decrease in market share != fewer users

2) Once you apply a piracy rate of up anything up to 95%, only about 4% (at worst case) of the total smartphone market can be deemed "Profitable Android"...

... add to that the huge overheads of fragmentation etc. and it's no wonder that serious developers are quitting Android development.

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Re: Alternatively

"just ignore windows mobile"

Of course - it's been pretty much abandoned since 2011.

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GOTCHA: Google caught STRIPPING SSL from BT Wi-Fi users' searches

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Re: I take the same doesn't happen

"Perhaps the solution is not to use Google?"

Find me websites that offer the products/service I need without implementing Google tracking/analytics etc. and I'll use them.

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Behind closed doors...

"Google don't shove the data they gather in your face."

So what exactly do they do with it?

Let's face it - thanks to analytics, it's practically impossible for the average Joe to surf the web without Google mining data. Same with emails, if anyone you know has a gmail account. And I dread to think what data-gathering goes on under the hood of Android...

Suffice to say that Google has probably gathered enough data to be able to ruin anyone in the western world, from an individual to a large company - probably largely without said person/organisation's knowledge.

I can live with a few targetted adverts - so long as I have a cast-iron assurance that that's all my data is being used for...

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Bada-Bing! Mozilla flips Firefox to YAHOO! for search

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"it's possible that the talks broke down over the Firefox-maker's stance toward the Do Not Track browser privacy standard."

Typical Google, trying to force their will on everyone and too hell with the general public's privacy and choices.

Mind you, this is a win-win situation: If Mozilla and Firefox thrive in this new situation, it helps prove to the world that you don't have to kowtow to the Googleborg, and if they end up struggling financially and either go back or go out of business, it proves that Google have the power to pretty much dictate what goes on the web, and thus should be treated as an anticompetitive monopoly.

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Google bags OBSCENELY LARGE Times Square ad space for New Year's

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Re: Why?

"Is there anybody with an internet connection who doesn't know Google[?]"

The question here is not "how many people with an internet connection do not know Google?", but "how many people with an internet connection do not know how much Google know about them, and what does Google do with this data?"

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NOKIA - Not FINNished yet! BEHOLD the somewhat DULL MYSTERY DEVICE!

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Interesting...

Here's hoping they're still rolling with their own fork of the AOSP, not the widespread Google poison everyone seems to be happy with these days...

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Far Cry 4 REVIEW: It's a far cry from Far Cry 3

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Wait a second...

"Ubisoft gets it right this time"

What, they've stopped using always-online DRM?

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Big shadowy orgs should stop scooping up everyone's personal info – say Google, Facebook

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Words fail me...

"Do you realize how many websites feed information in to Google? Even El Reg has Google Analytics, Google tag services js on their page."

... and herein lies the real reason behind all this - if the government had access to information on everyone to the same extent Google does, it would pretty much neutralise one of Google's most potent weapons against anything that threatens them, namely the ability to control the visibility of information.

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Players gonna play (play, play): Google confirms YouTube Music 'access all areas' key

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The real question is...

... what were Google trying to slip in under the radar while everyone was distracted with the outcry over indie musicians?

We see the same thing in politics all the time - wait for (or create) a media storm over something, and use it to push through a whole load of nastiness aimed at longer term gain on the sly.

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Oi, Europe! Tell US feds to GTFO of our servers, say Microsoft and pals

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"Complain to your government and request that they NEVER use Microsoft products that store documents on cloud servers."

As if any of the alternatives are any better...

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Meet Windows 10's new UI for OneDrive – also known as File Explorer

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Shouldn't happen...

Posts accusing people of shilldom get rejected (see point 7)...

... unless it's one rule for Google and another for everyone else.

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BOFH: An UNHOLY MATCH forged amid the sweet smell of bullsh*t

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Been here before...

He'll have something up his sleeve... or in his pocket... to ensure that the correct natural order is restored.

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Google Glass: Even the people who stand to MAKE MONEY from it hate the techno-specs

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Oh the hypocracy...

Still can't get over the way that last point in the "do/don't" list starts with "respect other's privacy" - a phrase involving a pot and a kettle springs to mind...

However, it's almost a shame that the glass didn't catch on a bit better before people realised what an absolute invasion of privacy it is - it would have made it so much easier for the general public to have then made the connection that spying on people is central to the Google business model and thus got some proper outcry going...

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Shoot to THRILL: Assassin's Creed: Unity and Halo: Master Chief Collection

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

[Insert normal comment about boring, play-it-safe AAA sequels here]

At least we have Sunset Overdrive.

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Behold the Lumia 535 NOTkia: Microsoft wipes Nokia brand from mobes

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Re: I do just love how the Windows Phone

"You're assuming there's more than one."

Oh my god, Eadon's back!

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Re: Lovely hardware

To be fair, the odds of the X "setting the world on fire" were pretty slim.

For starters - yes, it was Android. But it was their own branch of the AOSP, as opposed to the standard Google E3-in-progress that makes up the bulk of the market - so no Play store, and therefore pretty slim pickings on the apps front. Plus the fact that the Franken-face between Android and WP just didn't really work either did not help.

And then Microsoft put the kybosh on it before it had any real chance to get going...

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Google DoubleClick goes TITSUP. ENJOY your AD-FREE WORLD!

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Probably an EULA clause...

"But the ad giant made no mention of compensation for publishers who lost cash during the outage."

Chances are, just like Gmail etc. users are conned into giving up their personal data by carefully obscured clauses in the EULA, so there is a similar clause for lost profit in the publisher sign-up...

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Microsoft .NET released from its Windows chains... but what ABOUT MONO?

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Re: Reap what you sow

"Why are you downvoting ?"

... because it's Microsoft. Surely after having an account on these forums for over five years, you should have learned that there are some people who just can't let go of a 15+ year grudge?

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LARGE, ROUND and FEELS SO GOOD in your hand: Yes! It's a Nexus 6

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Because someone had to say it...

Can I wipe it and put Windows Phone on it?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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Microsoft: It's TIME at LAST. Yes - .NET is going OPEN and X-PLATFORM

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@Solid Squid - it already exists. It's called Monogame, and if you ever used XNA, you'll get on just fine with it.

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