Re: Seriously? Still on about apps?
@Dogged - you reckon that in about five years time when the wheel has turned we'll be seeing an account on here called "Jaiku Waveglass" or maybe "Buzz LivelyX"?
... I'll get me coat.
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@Dogged - you reckon that in about five years time when the wheel has turned we'll be seeing an account on here called "Jaiku Waveglass" or maybe "Buzz LivelyX"?
... I'll get me coat.
Hmmm, funny that...
... Google buy Softcard from the carriers...
... and now Bank of America is pulling its WinPhone app.
Knee jerk reaction? Or is it possible that the Bank of America app is based on Softcard and since Softcard is being shut down following the Google acquisition, they are left without any choice?
Feels like a variation on exclusive dealing to me!
"internet exploder, slowing and then dying ALL the time"
What sites were you browsing? I develop cross platform apps and games, and obviously I'm trying to keep the UX as close as possible between platforms (while staying true to native features, naturally). I've yet to see any browser slowdown on any of my test devices, so this would be useful info to have. Cheers!
"How many folks will take the effort to do so when Google may pull the plug at any point?"
More Microsoft than Microsoft...
"Ye Gods these comments boards make me cringe sometimes!
Let one product or company win and you'll end up with IE6 - albeit one built by Google/Apple/Whoever."
... and that, El Reg, is why you need to allow multiple upvotes.
"... Microsoft /is/ the leading expert..."
Was. Google have taken that crown of late.
Oooh, how very 20 years ago of you.
I remember when Netscape started wresting market share from Mosaic (and whoever else there was back then) - suddenly I started seeing sites that were blacked out if Netscape was detected, apart from a little box stating "This site is Netscape crippled", usually followed by a rant on the site owner's part about everything that was wrong about the aforementioned browser.
Most of these sites I stopped bothering with - although a few were useful for my university work, so would use Mosaic for them and Netscape for everything else.
Now, this was also the same sort of time that it was trendy to have a hit counter on your site. And I very quickly noticed that on the few "Netscape crippled" sites I did continue to bother with, there was a dramatic drop in the rate said hit counters increased by following their being blacked out for Netscape.
@AlbertH - you've given us figures stating that the number of IE-using visitors to your sites has dropped to under 3%. But this is kind of like Microsoft's trick with Windows Phones - "we've shipped X thousand handsets... but we're not going to tell you how many we've actually sold". So what about your overall visitor figures - how have they changed since you've added these warnings about "defective" browsers and "insecure" operating systems?
Personally, if I saw a warning on a website worded in the manner you've given, I'd drop the site like a hot potato, as that sort of message makes me think "they're trying to make me scared and trick me into downloading something that turns out to be a load of spyware".
... or is this (and I suspect this purely because of the heavy uses phrasing like "Internot Exploiter", "defective", "operating system" in quotes, etc) just an excuse to have a rant "because it's Microsoft"?
(For the record, I'm a web developer, and would be the first to cheer if IE was removed from the face of the earth).
Oh jesus, how could I possibly forget!!!
Of curse, in his absence there are others slowly moving in to fill the gap, but I don#t think any of them are close to the signature "capitalised whatever fail" that was his sign-off. But at least we got some amusing poetry as a result...
You're right of course - stopping AC posts will not stop a determined troll - just like basic antivirus won't stop a skilled and dedicated hacker. But it would help deter the idiots who are just looking to provoke a reaction.
"Trolls triumph because good men do nothing"
In that case, good men of El Reg, please can you remove the ability of people to post anonymously? It would go a long way to reducing the number of sub-bridge-dwellers on here...
From the Google for Work Blog:
"With a group of partners, we're helping businesses bring more devices to work by securing, managing and innovating on the Android platform"
Hmmm... "securing and managing" - I wonder if this will be as popular with handset manufacturers as Android Silver was...
Agreed - there is no such thing as a totally secure system, just one that hasn't had any flaws found yet.
Because Microsoft and Intel didn't have the power to effectively wipe out your export business.
(And for the record, please note the phrase "have the power to" before downvoting - although I'm willing to bet some muppet will get on my case about how there's no proof that Google manipulate search rankings...)
"Google has inked a major deal with mobile payment alliance Softcard that will see its Google Wallet payments system pre-installed on phones sold by US carriers AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon."
... you take a feature out, in-out-in-out, and muck us all about...
Once again, not doing yourself any favours, Microsoft!
Is this so in a few decades time Google can fling ads at people based on their genealogy?
I can just see it now - some little tyke with his brand new neural plugs chips into the Googletrix only be confronted with "popular with your forefathers..."
"So if Google decides to delay the source release for an arbitrary period (as they did with Android 3.0) there is bugger all anyone working off AOSP can do."
So let me get this straight. You're saying that Android - which is often crowed about by the anti-Microsoft brigade as a victory of open source over proprietary - is actually dependent on Google as to the availability of the latest version of its "open" source code? That anyone working on a pull from the AOSP might find their work scuppered by changes from Google that were unreleased at the time they made said pull?
Can you provide a link to where you're getting this information from?
And before the downvotes start - this is not intended as a troll. But if you can provide links from credible sources that verify what you're claiming here, it could go a long way towards shutting up the real trolls...
True, but it's still a notable achievement - kind of on the same level as getting Eadon not to post anything anti-Microsoft in a Microsoft-related thread, back in the day...
@ the O.P.: Wow...
An article about a problem with Windows Phone, and you've managed to get someone who routinely comments against stories of this nature about how this sort of thing is symptomatic of Microsoft's imminent downfall to instead post about a fault in your handset of choice.
I can understand why you post as an AC!
"This starts with the complete discontinuity that MS has wrought with zero compatibility... from WP7 to WP8."
Sorry, but I have to agree with cambsukguy on this - before going cross-platform (brought about by XNA's deprecation), I had seven games out on WinPhone7, all of them continued to work fine on WP8, and now on WP8.1... although I can't say anything much about other apps, as for the most part my devices were used for testing my own projects as opposed to running other peoples'.
Do you have a link to a list of apps that are known to have been broken by the update to WP8?
"...instead of buying a phone that already has the app available they should write their own version... "
Hmmm, guess I wasn't explicit enough in my original comment...
"If there's something you're after specifically - again, regardless of platform - why not try building it yourself?"
If you can get what you want and you're looking to buy a new phone then absolutely! Get the phone with the apps that fulfill your needs - that's basic common sense. But if you've got a phone and you find that it doesn't have an app to do what you want... well, some might relish the challenge of having a go at building the app that meets their needs, as opposed to shelling out for a new phone.
"...and buy several phones to test it on."
Test clouds and emulators will get you a long way on this front.
And as for the investment in cross-platform tools - well, I for one am more than happy to trade this off against having to maintain multiple codebases in entirely different languages.
"Without the apps I don't care how good the system is!"
Right, before the downvoting commences, I absolutely accept that the Windows store has a lot fewer apps than the App Store or Play, and that this is not due to "quality vs quantity" reasons.
I also accept that there are people out there who are after reasonably specialised apps to fulfill a specific need, and there is a good chance that there is nothing available for Windows Phone that meets this requirement.
Finally, I understand that a large company may opt not to make a Windows Phone version of their app for whatever reason - because they don't perceive it as financially viable, because they want to keep exclusivity for their own smartphone OS, whatever.
But I just don't get this perpetual wailing about "not enough apps". I remember seeing a list a while back where one anti-WinPhone commenter posted a list of apps that were allegedly "unavailable" for Windows Phone, only for someone else to post in response stating which apps were available either in their official form or as an unofficial substitute, and I think the only one missing was YouTube.
Ask yourself - how many apps do you use every day? every week? And how many would the average man on the street use? Apart from as a statistic to wave at other mobile operating systems, does it really make a difference how many apps are available?
Personally, I'd like to see a lot fewer apps on all stores - regardless of operating system. Quality over quantity, there's far too much crapware out there...
And as for people on here commenting about the lack of apps... I thought this was supposed to be an I.T. site? If there's something you're after specifically - again, regardless of platform - why not try building it yourself? There's enough cross-platform toolkits out there, and your creation just might be the next killer app...
"some Windows 10 features will be cut out"
Come on Microsoft, let's have a list of exactly what's getting chopped - keeping developers hanging on not knowing what's going to work and what isn't going to win you any friends. God knows, you've got a tough enough battle thanks to FUD based on estimates and antiquated links - no need to make things harder for yourselves!
"Google thinks that you should buy a new phone."
Isn't it the carriers that ultimately determine when/if you get an updated version of Android on your phone?
Also, patch Tuesday works for Windows because Microsoft have total control over it - hardware vendors can install their own skins and applications, but it's still the same Windows underneath. Given that vanilla Android is open source, and even Google-droid still gives the hardware manufacturers a lot of room to maneuver, I don't think that an equivalent would be feasible for Android - not without turning it into another walled garden, which even Google doubts would be successful.
Sounds more like Duke Nukem to me...
Fluff Busting Purity will work its magic on this...
... another IE vulnerability. No wonder MS are pushing this new Spartan project.
But then again, if the software business doesn't work out, the IE team could always link up with the guilty parties behind Flash and go into hardware... kitchen hardware... specifically sieves, collenders and those spoons you use for draining veggies...
"Oh, you're scared of ridicule? You'll grow up at some stage I'm sure and be more confident in your actions and your choices."
... in which case, A/C, why are you hiding behind an anonymous account?
+1 for an awesome rant
Does this explain the insane amount of tax on petrol and high public transport ticket prices in this country? Are they being artificially inflated in order to allow Google's "Johnny Cab" to move in at a cheaper rate, therefore encouraging people to use them and thus allowing Google and the government to track us all more effectively???
And just to clarify before the usual howls of indignation start - this is intended as a joke...
... what, more than four lines?
"Downvoted for "paradigm shift". This isn't Harvard Business Review, mate."
Fair enough - better be downvoted for that than for suggesting that Google is something other than the cure for all humanity's woes!
"So, which is worse? A buggy, hole ridden OS that lets anyone slip spyware in, or a supposedly secure OS that designed as spyware from the ground up?
In the former's case, it was because Microsoft completely missed the boat with the paradigm shift brought about when wide-scale internet availability came about - or they just chose to ignore what was happening around them.
Either way, it's unbelievably stupid - but I guess that when you think you rule the world, you get arrogant and eventually mess up hugely.
Deliberately building an OS as "spyware" on the other hand - that's just plain evil, however you dress it up. And although I know I'll get downvoted to hell for suggesting it (only last week I got accused of spreading FUD for just suggesting that Google had the power to manipulate their search results if they so desired), I'd say that deliberate evil is worse than arrogant and stupid any day of the week.
... that's not to say that Microsoft didn't do their fair share of evil, back in the day.
"“Handset brands have become less important, and the quality of the network more important,” said Three’s CEO David Dyson."
Judging by my own experiences with Three, that's them screwed then...
"And you have absolutely no evidence that they've done that. Do you?"
Spoken like a good little Google sheep.
I never said they were doing this - rather that it's all they would need to do. I'm saying that should Google deem that Vimeo was cutting too heavily into YouTube's share, it would be a simple matter for Google to tweak their search engine over time so that Vimeo slowly drops down the rankings and into obscurity - they have the power to do this, and have been accused of doing this before.
But I never even claimed that this is what is happening now.
Try reading the actual context of a comment before throwing knee-jerk reaction accusations in future.
"To take Youtube as an example, there is nothing stopping a rival video service gaining massive traction overnight"
"The thing about Google at the minute is it's a dominant force in search"
... which is probably the single biggest obstacle to rival video services. These days, we don't "search the web" for stuff - we "google" it. So where is this hypothetical average man going to go to find the video he's looking for? Google.
So all Google need to do is keep an eye to the competition and massage their search results so that anyone who looks like they're starting to erode YouTube's share by any significant margin slowly starts to slip down the search rankings... and the New World Order is restored.
Until Google's effective stranglehold over web search is broken, they will be in a position to control what happens with competitors to their other services. And this breaking of the stranglehold is not a technological issue - rather, it needs to happen in people's minds. I had a rather depressing incident a while ago where someone I was explaining something to did not understand what I meant by "searching the web" until I actually used the phrase "google it"...
"Microsoft reported that 10.5 million Lumias shipped"
Shipped != sold, Microsoft. We've done this dance before - let's get some sales figures, please, if only to end the speculation.
That said - good job on getting things moving in the right direction. Here's hoping that things continue to pick up, another couple of players enter the game, and customers start getting some choice back.
"I think you mean Vista-nentially."
That wasn't a fall, it was a plummet.
... and cue the usual suspects trotting out the same old links amid indignant rants about Microsoft's patent extortion on Android...
"They're roughly in the place Microsoft reached in the win 8 fiasco"
I'd put them nearer the start of the browser-wars era Microsoft ie: right before their arrogance resulted in a legal action that then destroyed a lot of the general public's trust in them.
@Jeff Lewis - it's worse than that. With Microsoft, once the bug is patched (or they think they've got it patched), as long as you've got autoupdate switched on, your PC will update and fix the bug on the next Patch Tuesday.
Whereas - and correct me if I'm wrong here - even if/when Google patch an Android bug, you're still at the mercy of your telco rolling out the update... if I understand the situation correctly!
... and yet you get commentards on here that still insist that you can choose not to use Google.
Microsoft, you have yet to be forgiven for dropping XNA.
C# and Monogame had better be an option for developers in this new "Windows 10" world - I'll be damned if I'm going to be reduced to some drag-drop-script-kiddy Unity developer...
Shut up and take my money!
... but Google's tariffs are measured in personal data, not currency, right?
... this is another facet to Microsoft's current privacy stance.
People are becoming increasingly wary of Google - if this loss of trust snowballs and spills over into Android, it could open a potentially huge gap in the market... low cost smartphones that can be trusted with private data.
Of course, it will be an uphill battle for Microsoft, given their past... which makes me wonder if they're trying to lay the groundwork in an attempt to overcome this and be ready to jump in.
Given their track record, Microsoft are due a "right" decision, simply by laws of averages and the fact they've made so many crap ones over the last few years!
Think about a serious photographer with all his lenses - I can see the same sort of thing happening for this. Normally, you just need a basic phone that fits in your pocket, but every now and then, you need your "better camera" module for a special event, or your "bigger battery" module for a long trip, maybe combined with your "game controller" module so you can keep the kids quiet in the back of the car...