732 posts • joined 29 Oct 2009
Also, don't forget that games make up the lions share of the app market.
Somehow, I don't think "Siri, play Angry Birds for me" is going to be very entertaining...
Re: Look at the bright side
"Why write for WinPho when IOS and Android have many more potential customers?"
Why not? After all, you're going to be using a cross-platform toolkit, right? Nobody wants to write the same app twice and have to maintain two code bases... right?
And - given that there are upwards of 1.5billion smartphones out there right now - not targeting Windows Phone means 30 million potential customers lost - that's another 300,000 quid, if your app is £1 a throw and assuming a 1% conversion rate. Not mega-money, I know, but certainly enough to pay off my mortgage...
Careful cornz1 - next thing you know, you'll be accused of being a "shill", or a "microsoft employee", making those kind of noises!
"Ah well 1500 apps removed four left."
Go home AC, you're boring.
Hope that includes...
... all the Flappy Bird/Swing Copter clones.
And what other sensors will these drones have built in? Wifi slurping for any area they pass over? GPS-positioning and image capture of anyone with a Google-powered device in their pocket?
Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like, but... no thanks.
Re: Not surprising
Re: Not surprising
Now hold on...
"Not sure why C's getting the blame for bad Android apps (see end of article)"
The end of the article is talking about free apps that were surveyed, not banking apps. In fact, I don't recall the article mentioning that the problem was specifically with Android banking apps.
Not that I trust any banking app, regardless of OS: while the current security spotlight is on Android due to it being both the biggest and easiest target, I firmly believe that nothing is secure if someone has good enough reason to want to break it.
The "Men in Suits"...
"greater funding would be required to optimise the opportunity to achieve consumer awareness"
In other words, the big players will move in and stomp all over the little guys again, just as happened back in the 80s/90s with home computers. And then everyone will be stuck with their latest version of the same old FPS with different graphics, "spaceships and aliens, no llamas please and nothing to weird", and pay-to-win gameplay mechanics.
Lesser of two evils, I guess...
Re: Android sucks too
... and this is why el Reg needs a +100 button! But just the one upvote and a pint is about the best I can do, I'm afraid!
Re: I do not install anything asking for this permission
Urgh, tell me about it. I've seen it a few times from the developer's side - SDK [blah] looks really useful until you realise it needs permissions X, Y & Z in order to use it, some of which make no sense whatsoever!
These days, if an SDK requires permissions I don't like the look of, it simply doesn't go into my app, no matter how useful it may look. It's difficult enough trying to design so that all users enjoy the app without introducing a rod for your own back, even if it does mean a bit of extra dev. time.
Re: Cult of crapple comes to rescue
@a53 - you think this is bad? Try having a reasonable discussion which involves balancing Microsoft's evils against those of other companies, and watch the accusations of "shill!" fly...
"All the security you've come to expect from Windows on your mobile device!"
... okay, maybe not that bad. But now is the time to be vigilant, lest Android suffers the same fate as Windows and start collapsing under its own weight.
Re: History repeats itself...
"Regardless of whether it gains good traction we'll see stuff a lot worse. After all, you only need to write that scam program once and it will run on all three flavours of Windows 8.1."
But why bother? Very few people like Windows 8, and - as so many are so quick to point out - Windows Phone's market share is currently pretty damn small.
And then you have to go through all the mucking about getting your scam program through certification on the various stores, where it may get spotted for what it is, if you've been a bit too ambitious.
Might as well write it for Android instead. Bigger market share, easier to get programs onto devices... or if you must target desktop, go down the traditional application and attack vectors route.
Re: Hello pot, this is kettle...
Ah, the age old accusation of "shill" coming to the fore once again, despite my stating that I'd like to see all app stores cleared up. Favourite cry of those who are so caught up with their fifteen-plus year old grudge that they have become like Pavlov's dog, but instead of hearing a bell, and starting drooling, they read the word "Microsoft" and start ranting.
Such people end up only giving their own chosen community a bad reputation - look what happened to Eadon.
However, I have to admit that I mistyped on my original post: my intention was to focus solely on mobile. When it comes to the Windows store, I agree with Splodger - what the hell is the point?
Re: History repeats itself...
Distinct difference between malware and scamware, and I think you'll find that the former of these not currently a Windows Phone problem - at least, not for now.
Of course, if WP starts gaining decent traction, I'd be willing to bet good money that someone will find a hack and we'll start seeing stuff a lot worse than fake apps for a price.
Hello pot, this is kettle...
... and similarly, as soon as an article mentions Microsoft, all those who just can't let their grudge go come out to put the boot in again.
If cleaning up the Windows Store is a herculean task, what of cleaning up other mobile stores, regardless of operating system? Especially when the requirements to get an app into a store are no more than paying $25, posting it, and getting through a few bare-bones checks...
I'd love to see a clean-up - on all stores. I'd really love to see blatant clone apps and games included in this sweep, too. And it would be interesting to see just how many apps are left on each store after such a clean-up.
Re-write the UI...
"The re-write is in the UI, with devs keeping the core of the database, back-end and workflows. Xamarin claims up to 70 per cent code re-use."
With the advent of Xamarin forms, the figure for code re-use is a lot higher now - 90% plus was the claim at a seminar I went to recently.
No idea how accurate this is - I don't write apps. But for games, the only real platform-specific code I've had to write to date are the wrappers that get the apps started on each OS, and lifecycle event handling code.
You get used to it eventually...
... it kind of reminds me of back when I was at school and kids were all tribal over whether the Atari ST or Amiga was better.
Re: How much??
"you want to convince people to sign up so it's more viable."
Nope, not really, just talking about my experiences. Don't really care which store or platform my games get downloaded from, so long as there are people out there who get some enjoyment out of playing them. Hell, if it weren't for the fact that I have software licences and promotional costs to cover, I wouldn't even mind if people played pirate copies.
Personally, I'd like to see Blackberry back in the game, and Firefox and Sailfish making some ground too - competition promotes innovation, and is good for the consumer, too. But I digress...
Back on topic - despite the bluster, you haven't answered my question about how you promoted your apps. You see, I didn't think about promotion with my first games, and they're still languishing with only a few thousand downloads each after a number of years. I learned from my mistake and moved forward. Just as I've learned from my time working solely with Windows Phone to move forward and hopefully break into other platforms.
Do you have Android - or iOS - versions of these apps? How successful have they been?
... or is this just another Eadon-esque claim to validate a troll on a platform you don't like?
Re: How much??
I guess I'm being optimistic in hoping that the "fart app" reply with the oh-so-boring joke about numbers of Windows Phone users was by a different AC to the original poster - it's either that or the OP never actually wrote any WinPhone apps and was just saying they had as justification for a rant.
If you want to develop mobile apps, your choice of platform is utterly irrelevant if you do not promote. Only the very lucky few hit that winning formula of the moment which takes them viral.
Otherwise, you are just one voice, trying to be heard amidst all the others, including clones, fart apps, big players (king.com and the like) and everything else. And the bigger the marketplace, the more "other voices" there are.
To put some context on things: the WinPhone versions of my games get about ten times the number of daily downloads that the Android version do, when no promotion is happening. On the occasions I have lucked out and got some promotion on the WinPhone store, this has increased several-fold.
Now this is assuming that the audience demographic for Android and WinPhone are the same and my games are equally liked or disliked. Actually creating these games for each platform is relatively simple thanks to cross-platform tools, so it's only sensible to go after as wide an audience as possible.
What will be interesting (for me) is my next release, which I'm hoping will be simultaneous across WinPhone, iOS and Android and intending to promote at an expo immediately after. I'm very interested to see how many downloads I get for each platform in the first week... and how many upgrade to the paid full version.
Re: How much??
I, someone who's released a few apps, have.
What apps? What did they do, who was your target audience, and how did you promote them?
This can't end well...
Re: Shipped vs "in users hands"
It's simple maths:
Let's assume for a minute, there's a killer app out there for iOS and Android - it's so "must-have" that everyone is going to install it (ie: download ratios cross platform are equal to market shares). On the official stores, it's a paid app.
Now apply the Android average 90% piracy rate - so for every 1 copy of our hypothetical killer app that's paid for on Android, 9 are illegitimately downloaded for free.
80% (market share) * 0.1 (fraction of actual paying customers) = 8% of Android owners are actually paying for said hypothetical must-have app - assuming that it's not so absolutely must-have that people start developing consciences.
Hell, even Windows Phone - currently at 2% worldwide, if memory serves - would be a considerable fraction of this 8%.
Now, I can't really figure other developer factors into this, as I've only recently started working on iOS. But so far, even with the cross-platform capabilities of my chosen toolkit, iOS is proving to have a lot fewer problems than Android.
... too bad that dealing with Apple's administrative processes is proving to be a complete pain in the arse.
Headless chicken approach...
Microsoft - either get your own house in order and get your stuff sorted for WinPhone, or commit to full cross-platform.
Don't try to do both at once.
You'll only stuff it up.
It looks like...
... you're trying to do some washing/watch TV/refrigerate your food!
... can I help you with that!
Microsoft Domestic Assistant.
Re: Hiding information NOT an impediment to Free Speech? Seriously?
"Google has to play by the law, and within the lawmaking process, be that "democratic" or not. It can have its say, campaign as loudly as it likes to change laws, but it can't just ignore them."
But if Google does not play the law, what happens? They get fined, fined an amount that is "just pocket money".
As you say, Google can campaign loudly to change the law, but they've got a very loud voice - almost £10 million spent on lobbying this year (source).
I can't help but wonder - how many laws have changed to date before this "right to be forgotten" issue broke? How much of our privacy has been gradually eroded, bit by bit, by Google's lobbying?
We're fortunate that this has come to light now - chances are that in another 5-10 years, Google would wield enough power to ensure that even international government cannot stand against them. After all, how easy would it be to slip an article from a puppet organisation detailing an obstructive politician's sordid past, into the top slot of a Google search?
Hello little child...
... would you like to see some puppies? Oh you would? Okay, let me make a note of that against your profile...
When I was a kid, we were taught "never talk to strangers". Right now, I'd feel safer talking to some random person in the street than Google - at least there would be witnesses in the street, and said random person wouldn't have the money and lobbying clout to do whatever they damn well choose...
... here comes another deluge of shitware and clones, flooding out the marketplaces and smothering any genuine new games before they can gain any kind of traction.
Anyone know when this is likely to hit, so I can time my own release appropriately?
Doesn't bode well...
"You’ll get to build a game"
... except that you ask kids these days what they think of as a game and you'll probably get answers of GTA, Modern Warfare, TitanFall, Assassins Creed, etc., or possibly Candy Crush, Angry Birds...
Tell a kid that they'll get to build a game and the chances are that this is what they'll expect to end up with - and then not bother when they realise the gulf between their creations and AAA titles.
Re: Forget the students. Think of the teachers!
"there is a open source tool that's been around for years called Moodle, does the same thing pretty much as google classroom."
Ah, but guess which one will be appearing at the top the first results page when you type "school grading tool" into Google internet search...
... and which one will conveniently end up somewhere on page 2 or 3...
Sounds good, but wouldn't touch one that uses 3 as a carrier...
Re: Mork Calling Orson
"Sad news. When will we take mental health seriously?"
Where shall we begin?
General awareness on the social media we use most days is something we can all do - watching what we say, share and like (people who shared the image of the "Monk" box set covers, I'm looking at you for starters, OCD is no laughing matter).
Anyone tried using one of these as a development box?
... just out of curiosity...
Re: they can shift their focus from managing devices to managing something much more important —
That's why I recommend Chromebooks to my family/friend "clients", so Google
looks after their stuff rather than themselves (and ultimately me)can freely rifle through every aspect of their lives, while hiding behind the phrase "you chose to use our services and thus accepted to completely surrender any notition of privacy your once had".
Re: Cheap Windows PCs with Bing @John Crisp
"Yes, Microsoft would love people to believe their way is the only way"
That applies to Google, Apple and many other vendors as well.
Pint for Sandtitz, deserves a +100!
Don't trust it...
I'm not sure I would trust this, especially not in a BYOD environment. Given the tendency of many to just click "allow all requested permissions" when installing a new app, how long before some bit of malware gets out there with a "grant admin rights to app" permission, which can then raid all accounts?
A good idea in principle, but I think Android still has considerable distance to cover in security terms - largely in making sure that it's users are educated to not just allow requested permissions for the apps they install - before this can really fly.
Re: Android+Linux FTW!
This is called "Linux kicking Microsoft's butt."
Maybe. But I think it's fairer to say that "this is called "Google kicking Microsoft's butt".
Personally, I'd like to see other OSs challenging this - competition drive innovation after all, and especially given how Google is becoming more and more evil, with the capacity to be far worse than Microsoft ever were.
Exactly what those OSs are... well, I'd like to see something come of Sailfish, and Samsung's Tizen experiment, or even a Google free AOSP. But for all the Linux lovers out there who are currently basking in the fact that Android is on the rampage in the markets, just keep in mind who got it there, what they have become and how much worse they can get - and take care not to become the thing you hate.
Re: Even Forbes can give a link to the report
" It reports on 'data from the browsers of site visitors to our [Net Applications] exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers.' In other words, on some websites, Android devices show up more than iOS."
... but you can bet your life that the usual suspects will be using this as an excuse to make their usual noises.
it won't be long before Google is turning you over to the government for other "thought crimes"
Only insofar as Google need a puppet body to act for them in actually passing laws and sentencing people. Behind the scenes it's the lobbying that counts and any laws Google doesn't like, they'll just ignore.
Hopefully Samsung will get their Tizen project off the ground and free themselves of both Google and Microsoft into the bargain - plus more choice for the end customers... everyone's a winner!
... except, of course, the two wannabe monopolists...
Bob or Phoenix?
Re: @P.Lee - Obvious answer to obvious stupidity is obvious
... which, as any IT pro worth his salt knows, is practically owned by Google - let's face it, how many other variants are out there with more that 5% of the total Android market share*.
So we have a large corporation that has made its' money on something else before moving into the arena of a graphical operating system.
Said operating system is built on the back of something they have obtained externally, rather than built themselves.
Said corporation has extended the functionality of their variant of this operating system, and are now starting to use their large market share to force their will onto end users of said operating system.
As said operating system grows in popularity among the non-technical masses, it becomes increasingly targeted by malware and the like.
And said corporation want to track your every move and action - allegedly for the "greater good" in some manner, but more likely because they want to keep everything under their control.
... sound familiar?
In a not-too-distant nightmare future where everyone uses Chromebooks and GoogleDroid (name changed after Google finally extinguished the AOSP) phones/tablets, what chance do you think Google will give us to replace BigBrotherOS with something else?
All the diehard Linux supporters who are cheering on Google to overthrow Microsoft - read "Animal Farm", specifically the bit where the pigs send the horse ("Boxer" IIRR) to the knackers... for the sake of the OS you champion, find something other than Google to support!
But... but... but... you have to actually pay for some popular apps on iOS!
Re: Offer and demand
To rebut AC's point 1: Does the consumer really care about a"fully featured OS" on a tablet? As long as it can email, watch youtube, post to facebook and play Angry Birds, most non-tech's won't give a fig.
Windows Phone may be slowly gaining traction (I'd like to know the percentages of WinPhones out there bought for business use vs consumer use), but unless some new killer featuer can be found, Microsoft are pretty stuffed on the tablet front.
Discuss business strategies and decisions over a channel controlled by a company that's primary function is to record, analyse and profile your data...
... not bloody likely!
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