440 posts • joined Thursday 29th October 2009 08:52 GMT
Re: I genuinely do not understand...
Because they have an axe to grind?
... you know, like there are those on here who will automatically post an negative and/or derogatory comment about something, just because of who makes it.
Re: How long till consciousness
Tell me about it - always figured Skynet would be born from a search engine gone postal rather than a military system...
... and if it's Google, it probably already has behaviourally targetted data to kill every one of us in the way we each fear most. Probably while trying to advertise chainsaws, fire axes and halon to us...
Re: @RyokuMas, Glasshole killer app involves dog turds
... dont' Google block that?
Re: Glasshole killer app involves dog turds
1/ ... with adverts between directions based on previous places you have visited
2/ ... with adverts for products from sponsors of teams in said events
3/ ... adverts for anything nearby that fits in with your profile
4/ ... with adverts to download this and similar artists
5/ ... so even if you are abroad, you can still be targeted for local adverts
6/ ... (see 2)
7/ ... (see 4)
8/ ... (see 3)
9/ ... with adverts for Milky Way bars
10/ ... with adverts for "[insert Google approved technology here] for Dummies" downloads.
Mine's the one with the "do not track" cookie in the pocket.
Re: Further proof that these things are childish toys.
@Nicho - or because it's someone daring to speak badly of their beloved Google...
Can't comment on "apps"...
... but for games, I have been very impressed with Xamarin - thanks to Monogame, porting my Windows Phone games to Android/iOS has been pretty effortless, save for a few snags on the former where I didn't have easy access to certain handset-OS version combos.
When confronted with a gold mine...
... prepare for a shaft (thank you BOFH for that amazing insight). And with 3 there's bound to be one sooner or later, complete with the proverbial pit props and canary. Seriously, they could throw in a free Lumia 1020, Galaxy S4, Nexus 5 and iPhone5S (yup, 4 free phones) and I still wouldn't go back.
This is the company whose debt collectors were regulars on TV's watchdog, for Christ's sake. The company who is still hounding me for payment on a service I had cancelled because I couldn't even use it - six years later!
Colour me impressed...
... much as I hate the idea of personal data being sold, I'm actually quite impressed that a developer has found a way of making some reasonable money out of Android without needing a lucky break or a leg-up from an iOS port...
... sponsored by David Bowie
The Google lawyer's name...
“Yes, but only the command structure,” Google lawyer Bob Van Nest said.
Had to double take as the first time I read this, my eyes saw "Bob Van Nest", my brain registered "Bob Vistakin"... must be the end of the day.
So Google are going into robotics?
No doubt within a week of their first commercial robot launch, you'll get a bunch of freetards complaining about all the "bloatware" systems, and how you have to install some unofficial mod in order to sideload behavioural apps that bypass the three laws of robotics...
Still don't get all the fuss on this.
Okay, so it's proved possible to transmit data via sound inaudible to the human ear. But as a virus-carrying medium...? Really???
What so many seem to have not taken into account in this is that even if one computer was broadcasting these sounds and there were other computers "in range" with microphones equipped and switched on, they would still need software to decode the sound! Okay, so it may be, just may be possible to directly write data into a target machine by causing vibrations that trigger induction and introduce the data, but the odds on getting anything remotely resembling executable code this way that will run regardless of the target machine's make, model, component set, location, etc., etc...?
Good to prove the concept, but the idea that this could be used to spread viruses is absurd, and pure click-bait.
... are just Darwinism moving into the cyber arena.
And David Attenborough reckons we are no longer evolving!
Resistance is futile...
"The G crushes the Windows Phone 8 competition and shows Apple bosses to be as greedy as I’ve always suspected them to be."
... and yet nobody calls out "Shill!", as would probably happen if a similar claim had been made in an iPhone review, and almost certainly had it been a Windows Phone.
Since when did so many sell their souls too Google?
Re: RE: AC @ 07:16
Never understood why anyone has a problem with not being able to "sideload" apps... unless they're a developer or a thief...
Re: !Subtle under tones
"Firstly when is the last time you used a laptop without an internet connection? It is probably a very rare occurrence."
Every morning and evening, actually - on the train to and from work. I have a laptop because I need a development machine. If I wanted to just browser the web, I'd get a tablet.
Meh, more zombies...
Until we start seeing more originality and fewer mindless sequels/zombie games on the mainstream consoles, I'd rather knit...
Meh, already playing all my old PS One games on my PC with emulator, thanks...
It's not possible to talk geek about Microsoft...
... because the instant you do, there's always someone who will troll all over any chance of a reasonable discussion "because it's Microsoft".
(at least, on here).
Re: total meh
Would rather have 320x200px, 16 colours and engaging gameplay than yet another batch of sequels in 1080p, personally.
Gotta agree with Dave 126 - I know more than one person who bought a PS3 as a cheaper BluRay player, rather than as a games console.
... but we can't let that get in the way of an excuse to have yet another boring old bash at Microsoft now, can we?
@eulampios - I guess you missed the whole "complete with their own raft of tricks, nastiness and evil" statement (there, put it in bold so it should be more obvious).
But otherwise, congratulations on successfully listing what Google may get up to as their arrogance continues to grow.
Re: Microsoft account needed for Facebook? ??
"Tis the future don'tcherknow. or something."
Like Google trying to force G+ requirements to comment on pootube?
Don't care about the whole "whose worse, Microsoft or Google" thing...
... but I do care about the fact that so many people immediately jump to Google's defence against Microsoft when it's blatently obvious that Google are becoming the new Microsoft, complete with their own raft of tricks, nastiness and evil.
Is it just that we truely don't learn from history and are doomed to go round and round this cycle of damning the old evil until we realise - too late - that what we had been capaigning for had become the new evil? Or is it just more obvious because until now we have not had the internet to shout about it on?
I look forward to next time round the cycle, with Google where Microsoft is now - I wonder how many of my era will take to the web and try to fight Google's corner, only to be accused of being shills by the new generation, who are so tied up with defending their evil-in-the-making. I have the feeling that I'll just be sitting back and having a bloody good laugh at it all.
@RedneckMBA: +1, just wish there was a +100 option.
And have a pint as well for your utter rationality - assuming you re-open your browser at some point!
Re: In light of this
"Does anyone here seriously believe that allowing private enterprise to replace or take over the functions of government will result in improvements?"
Depends how corrupt the private enterprise is vs the government. Here it seems like a race to the bottom between the two...
Re: "And yet how many are in schools being used by kids to learn how to code?"
@Oh Homer: automatic downvote for the boring yet predictable Microsoft bashing. Even if the school boxes were all Linux, you can bet your bottom dollar that it would still be just how to use LibreOffice, Firefox, etc., etc., without a hint of Java, C or other programming.
Pity really, because once you get past that, the rest of the actual comment in pretty much bang on the money.
@Mike Moyle: How do you define "safest"?
Yes, everyone can look at the code. But what seems to be forgotten so often when this sort of discussion starts is that the vast majority of smartphone users are not tech-savvy. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to Wayne or Sharon if they can see the code - in fact they're probably not even aware their phone runs Android, just as long as it's a Galaxy and you can text and play Angry Birds on it.
So yes, open is great for those who understand the tech. But for those who don't - who are at the same time also the ones more likely to fall for social engineering tricks - it's an open playing field for the malware flingers. The fact that Android is open, and therefore simplest to get apps containing malware etc. onto makes it the easiest ecosystem to target.
Location, location, location...
Brazil, Mexico and the UK, huh? Makes perfect choice to a Windows Phone developer, assuming their stats are similar to mine: for most of my games these three regions are in the top five download locations.
Now, I don't know what market shares are like for each of the ecosystems in South America, but from what I recall, WinPhone was up around the 10% mark in the UK, according to some.
Google's acquisition of Motorola makes perfect sense: by having a hardware manufacturer under their control, they can directly target places where their competitors are starting to gain traction.
Good business practice or anti-competitive behaviour? That's just a matter of opinion.
Security through obscurity is no security at all, and - like I've said before - the biggest target is going to be the one the miscreants go after.
Of course, it doesn't help that the biggest target is in this case the most open, and therefore the easiest.
That said, I don't believe any system is completely secure against exploits when user action is required - there will always be someone who is stupid enough to press the big red shiny button.
Re: Does this mean people will consider building Android apps first?
@Daniel Voyce: The problem is not just fragmentation - it's piracy.
As you rightly state, fragmentation is still an issue, making Android the platform requiring the greatest investment of time to maintain an app on. At the same time, it also offers the lowest per-unit return: just google "android piracy rate" and you'll see estimates of between 80 and 90% of installations being pirate copies.
I was taken aback by this myself: I've been developing games for Windows Phone over the last couple of years: this year I decided to try and port some of my titles to Android and iOS. Having done my research and finding these figures, plus the amount of fiddling about I had to do to try and ensure my Android version ran on as many handsets as possible, I found myself questioning the value of Android as a market.
I'll probably still launch on Android, but I'm not going to be too fussed about maintaining/updating for that platform. At least, not until I know it'll give me a similar per-hour return on my work to iOS/WinPhone.
Many nations are moving away from UDMH towards Kerosene/LOX...
Rest easy, comrade Korolev - you were right.
Re: I keep hearing about these Android bugs...
"So until the phone rapture comes and all non Jesus phones get bricked by some zero day beast, I'm going to continue to count the number of fucks I give on no hands with my eyes closed."
... kind of like everyone did with internet connected Windows PCs back in the 90s?
Remember, this is Android, brought to you by the same company that routinely reads your emails and provided means for the NSA to flout any idea of the right to privacy. Android that currently powers what 70%? of the worldwide market share of smartphones - the vast majority of them being owned by non-techs who probably don't even know or care about Cyanogen, Cerberus, root access etc...
This is a shitstorm waiting to happen and when it does, it'll make the whole Microsoft-malware security thing of the 90s seem like a minor glitch.
Re: So fix it! @Nigel11
Still gotta a) find out there's such a thing as Python and b) download and install it (and hope everything installs correctly). Not as easy as switch on, type in code, type "run" and hope...
Re: So fix it!
Okay, getting hold of a machine was a bit more of a chore, I'll give you that. But documentation? Really?
Like I said, when I started programming, I started off with my "How to write programs" Usborne book and just switched on my computer and typed in the first listing which - due to its simplicity - worked, as did many of the others, regardless of the fact that the book in question was for BBC BASIC and I was using an Amstrad CPC.
Yes, when I got a bit more advanced, things got trickier. But by that time, I was well and truely into it, and had no fear of trawling through my manuals and trying a few random things to see what worked.
But now - wade through documentation, try and make sense of all the buzzwords, eventually download and install programming software, make sure you have the latest version, fire it up and figure out how to get started... how much longer does it take than just "switch on and go"? The longer it takes to get a result, the less likely something is to appeal.
It would be pretty suicidal. If you look at the stats, the vast majority of Winphones out there seem to be Nokias of some description and despite being effectively out of the picture until hooking up with Microsoft, the name still carries weight.
Re: 'Last EVER REAL Nokia' phone
+1 for mature attitude
Re: So fix it!
"This kind of "ain't like the good old days" 80's nostalgia is all well and good but it's getting old hat" - the problem these days is twofold:
Firstly, the entry barrier is a lot higher for someone with almost zero knowledge. Back in the 80s, you switched on your machine, the BASIC prompt would come up and off you went, usually with something like:
10 PRINT "Hello World!"
20 GOTO 10
... which would work, leaving you thinking "yeah!", encouraging further experimentation. Whereas now (assuming you have a bog-standard Windows PC from a high street outlet), you need to hook up to the web, and download and install your programming tools - so there's scope for things to go wrong before you've even written a line of code (remember, I'm assuming near zero experience)! Very discouraging, and bound to put a lot of people off...
Secondly - as I've mentioned elsewhere - is what the fledgling programmer can achieve versus their expectations. Back in the 80s, games were all blocky graphics and bleepy sound - once you had mastered cursor positioning and printing special characters in different colours, it didn't feel like a huge leap to make. Whereas now, kids are brought up on a diet of Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto, so they expect to be able to make similar - and then stop when they realise just how much work is involved.
I'm not saying that all are put off - but it's certainly a lot more difficult these days.
... and there you have it...
... complete with pit props and canary.
"Like everyone else in cloud, Microsoft is coming from behind against the market and momentum leader, Amazon."
... and cue the usual flood of knee-jerk anti-Microsoft comments about lack of innovation etc. that seems to happen every time Microsoft offer a service like its competitors...
Re: It would be good for the industry
Upvoted for mocking phone tribalism...
Re: "bin for Bing"
@AC 9:19 - I think Bob is a script kiddie, and one of said scripts is to trawl forums for the word "Bing" and chuck that post in whenever a hit is scored...
Re: Sour Grapes
"I find it odd that the openness of Android is being stigmatised as being somehow a Bad Thing®, when it's clearly benefitting so many people ... except
Apple and Microsoft developers looking to protect and make a return on their hard work, of course.
"it is impossible to see a world in two- to three-year time span where tablet won't play a major role in many schools ICT division."
Oh how the mighty have fallen! When I did Computer Science at school (none of this "ICT" bollocks back then), we learned programming (as well as a bit about word processors and spreadsheets). The fact that the industry is now talking about schools being able to use tablets for the majority of computing-related study is just a symptom of how the subject as a whole has been softened almost to the point of uselessness.
I think that a large part of the problem is what else the "kids" that the PI is targeted at have experienced:
I started mucking about with programming in the 8-bit days - despite their low visual and audio quality (compared to today), I found the games of the time absolutely amazing. More importantly, the graphics that I managed to get going on screen were within shouting distance of those used by these games, which only encouraged me to keep going.
Nowadays, the kids that the tech pages reckon will get into programming via the PI have been brought up on a diet of XBox and Playstation, near-photo-quality 3D graphics, realistic physics and immersive audio, written by teams of hundreds of people. And I'd be willing to bet that upon realising the vast gulf between "hello world" ant GTA5, the a lot of these kids will be put off rather than inspired.
It's not a problem with the PI - it's just that too many people expect to be able to do everything immediately.
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