36 posts • joined Tuesday 29th September 2009 14:44 GMT
This is good, but overdue.
Just wanted to pop in to support my chosen platform (since we are a bit thin on the ground here, and everyone seems to think that Windows Phone is so lacking) and mention that Bing Translator has provided free offline translation for about a year. It works well (but I'd love to compare the results of the two knowing Google's high quality in the area). TBH I can't believe it wasn't available on Android before now.
Re: Windows Cash Cow on death row
MS competed with its partners because its partners had not made any innovative AND good hardware for years (apart from Asus, coming up with new and successful form factors like eeePC and Transformer).
It must have been so sad for MS to see the bloated, slow moving and unmotivated PC makers do such a shite job while Apple was able to control things themselves and produce attractive hardware that people could fall in love with. I'm not surprised they wanted to motivate (embarrass) their industry by showing them how it's possible to innovate on their first attempt at a hybrid (whether you like it or not, the Surface is novel). It's not a betrayal, it's a kick up the backside, a "could do better".
With partners like that, who needs enemies? I hope most of the old players fail, leaving a handful of innovators producing compelling products (Samsung, Asus, MS themselves, and someone else).
I actually kind of hope that it does hit, it would be great to study. But more importantly, it would be a spectacular reminder to everyone that this could happen to Earth, and we'd better get cracking re: interstellar life boat development.
Re: cooling vent?
That very short battery life figure was the result of the very intense PowerMark 1.2 battery benchmark, which is way less than what you would get with normal use. It would be nice if the review said something more exact about what a normal user can actually expect... but they do say "getting more than a day's business use without the charger is perfectly possible if you're not silly about what you do and use power saving modes"
Re: Elop - Chief Executive Orafice
Nokia stock is up 119% from 6 months ago. Yes, its 19% down from 1 year ago, but it is starting to look like it might be turning around. I'd like to see what happens on Jan 24...
I experience this on VM "National Broadband" (ADSL)
I have the problem on a daily basis. Although my ADSL connection is fast for normal downloads, and gaming pings are acceptable, youtube buffers big time (haven't really tried other video streaming services). So it's apparently not restricted to fibre optic customers.
It's such a PITA to change providers though that I am battling on.
This is the first one of these that I haven't found cringeworthy. Very good.
Re: This is soooo MSFT
I have a Lumia 800. I never expected to be able to upgrade it to Win8/WP8, an OS that is coming out over a year since I bought the phone. I don't care about this. If it does happen, I will be pleasantly surprised.
There's a good chance that it would run slower and thus do a worse job than WP7 does (which the device specs were designed for) anyway, and I'd lose.
Re: Usability is king.
This echoes my thoughts almost exactly. I used to have an Android (2.2), but strongly disliked how slow it quickly became and how badly it managed internal vs. SD card storage. Also, I found the look of the OS highly unattractive compared to the competition. I never wanted an iPhone because I'm difficult.
I got a Nokia Lumia 800 mostly because it was really smooth even compared to dual core Androids, and it looked damn sexy. My colleagues thought their new Androids were smooth until they played with the Lumia for a second.
I stayed because after 4 months it's still LOVELY to use (particularly love the curved screen) and every week I'm surprised by the app availability. My expectations were low, but the free Nokia suite of apps is great, there are new major 2K games such as Civilization, and all the time I'm seeing companies start to advertise their apps as available on iPhone, Android AND WP7. As a music player, it lasts all day and seems to have good sounds quality.
Yes there are some odd things still missing such as tethering :(, the ability to change MMS settings, some bluetooth strangeness being three.
I see it as a competitor to non-power Android users rather than Apple fans (as they are more locked into the ecosystem and/or want a status symbol). There are an awful lot of android users who just want a smartphone that works and isn't too expensive. WP7 is a much better (normal) user experience than Android.
Re: I don't understand...
It is a user experience hint that you should swipe that way to see other app pages/panels. Apps are actually a long string of panels next to each other that you swipe through, and long titles can span across more than one.
If you'd like to read an explanation about how this will actually work, rather than making bogus comments about huge file sizes (which will not be the case) etc. read this: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/27/Nokia-808-PureView-with-41MP-sensor
The sample images are way better than standard compact camera shots, in detail, colour reproduction and noise, because the sensor is 5x bigger. It really looks amazing for a phone camera. Now we just need to see how it performs when the photos come from someone other than the Nokia marketing department. I hope it performs well.
I can't imagine going for Symbian, being end-of-life... but how bad can it be when I just want an awesome compact camera that can take phone calls, send text messages and browse the internet?
First, congrats everyone! I'm so surprised that these comments have been so reasonable.
I upgraded from HTC Desire (I really didn't like that phone) to Lumia 800 about 1.5 months ago.
- The user experience is really good, I love the hardware and software design. The screen is just great - not just the quality, but the curve looks special and it's nice to interact with. Regarding the text flowing off the screen, this is 99% of the time only the headings, and is a user experience design choice to hint to the user that they should scroll across to see more screens. WP7s design is full of these hints, and you really have to use the phone to realise why things are laid out in certain ways.
- It definitely feels like a 1.1 device... no tethering... no VPN connectivity that I can work out, limited multitasking... this is hopefully work in progress...
- Many people - not just in these comments think that the name "Windows" should be dropped. I do see their point. Hopefully the fact that MS is doing a serious marketing department reorg will result in their image improving (can we get some less cringe-worthy ads please).
- Relaxing hardware specs a bit will allow manufacturer innovation. Nokia needs this, although IMO they currently make the only WP phones that aren't totally dull and effectively invisible to potential customers.
If WP gains ground, I think it will be against Android. iPhone people just can't think of anything else, or have Macs at home now. Android users just want a phone that works, and sometimes it doesn't with all the fragmentation. Nokia needs to stick at it for at least 1 more year before things will start to improve I think.
I agree with George 8 that windows everywhere should be MS' target, and I think they are definitely trying to achieve it.
It's not actually bad...
The embedded app is not so bad. It doesn't let you do everything, but provides the ability for things you normally need to do, and is a much nicer interface than the FB app or websites. As it is embedded, you benefit from a unified user experience for your basic/important functionality.
Unfortunately, early adopters are usually techie people, for whom user experience is often not a priority.
The Nokia Lumia 800 is by far better and more enjoyable to use than my previous phone, an Android HTC Desire. Obviously that is much older and slower...
I hope Nokia and WP don't die... what's wrong with a third way?
@j10fighter the writer is talking about the the WP7 embedded functionality, not the downloadable FB app for WP.
How much lower?
It's a pretty well specced phone for the price, and I know it will run smooth as silk as it is has almost the same internals as the Lumia 800. WP7 doesn't need a dual core CPU, compared to Android (pre ICS) it is much less laggy naturally.
That said, they need a low price to entice people to Windows Phone. Clove's price is typically high, once it actually arrives I'd expect £220-£250 unlocked.
@Parax minor correction
Software installation isn't required, and the DSM3.0 (as well as previous recent versions) is fully available via a web browser (preferably, it is also available using an installable manager if you feeling like it). That's how I use it with my DS410j.
This makes me sad.
I'd use it...
And already do - I have a NVidia 3D Vision capable PC and use it for 3D gaming. It works very well in fact, although the (shutter) glasses could be a bit more comfortable and aren't great if wearing for more than a few hours. Even works in conjuction with prescription glasses. The technology isn't perfect yet, but is bound to get better in time.
Because of the comfort issue, I'd probably use it more for watching movies and playing games than for general TV viewing.
I'm not even the early adopter type - not sure why I was in this case actually, but I'm mostly happy with it.
Regarding your comment about BeebPlayer not showing in the market place, you can't blame SE for that - it has been discontinued and removed by the developer - http://androidforums.com/android-applications/84573-beeb-player-alternative.html
Thanks Alun, there aren't many of these roundups for mobile BB around, very useful. A shame it came 2 days too late for me... I finally decided on a telco and took the plunge on the weekend. Thankfully, my choice (Vodafone) at least comes in as recommended!
Lost my business
I was about to sign up for Vodafone on a Desire contract, since Virgin Mobile have screwed up my order so royally (phone delivered to wrong address, order cancelled without telling me, order reprocessing system down for apparently 6 days now, having to go to the store to complete!!!!)
When both of the 2 best options are crap, where does this leave me?
I finally thought I had a decision, and now you go and force me to rethink. They are some pretty bad points (bad points for the LibDems, good points from you).
What are the options if you don't want to vote for stifled technology, but still like their policies about political reform, and reversing the wave of civil liberty erosion the UK has suffered? Surely these are more central to their party values than their technology policies (being liberal and all). I would hope that they would be more flexible on the technology side of things.
Unfortunately for me, technological development and civil liberties are my top two issues. Why oh why do the Lib Dems have to do so well on one and so poorly on the other?
Ubisoft: Stop killing PC gaming
I specifically didn't buy this the other day because of the DRM horror stories.
PC gaming (the best kind) is having enough trouble surviving without them making it worse. It makes me want to cry slash kick whoever is responsible for this in the nadgers (or female equiv).
...what can we do about it?