102 posts • joined Wednesday 4th April 2007 19:44 GMT
Oh, the irony. That may have been true in the 70s and 80s but these days Irony is just as well ingrained in US as it is in the UK.
Re: Yeah but, parasitism is never comfortable
"That worked pretty well for the Volkswagen Beetle."
Which car did the Beetle rip off?
Re: Don't know what you want?
"Tim Cook isn't good at that. Apple's problems have started since the reality distortion field popped."
And four of the biggest quarters ever have happened since Jobs died. Including the fourth largest quarter ever. This most recent "fail".
Re: Of course theres this:
And of course, Samsung also makes a lot more phones. 80 or so I think in the current roster.
Re: Comparing apples to pears?
Worth pointing out, Joeseph, that Samsung have recently been adding their computer sales to the mobile division to muddy the water even more.
"and in the process, you obviously missed the part about the Galaxy S3 and the Note 2, which are comparable to iPhones (in price, and superior in features and usability)"
But not in sales, of course. In Jan the media was heralding that the S3 had sold 40 million units. Roughly what the iPhone does a quarter.
Re: Can companies really make ever increasing revenues/profits?
also it is worth pointing out that last year's 48% margins was a ridiculous blip. No hardware company has made anything near that level of profit. This years 38% or so is a margin that Samsung would only dream of having.
Re: Cult of Jobs
But also the "new Apple" is very different from the one that was run by the sugar water salesmen and the bean counters. The one that actually kicked him out.
The only plus side to that of course is that we wouldn't have had either Pixar or OSX without them doing that of course.
Re: Samsung King of The Castle
All well and good save that even in a bad quarter Apple took in more profit than Samsung.
Re: Plain & Simple
I have both. The Nexus7 is no iPad.
Re: Plain & Simple
Apple's profits are still larger than Samsung's. Here's the thing, all this talk of Samsung "winning" is just media spin. Of course the Register hates Apple so this article is what we have come to suspect from such a rag.
What are you smoking.
"Apple sold 2 million iPhone 5s in the three days in China after the device went on official sale on Friday."
2 million, in one country in 3 days? What are you smoking to say this isn't important?
I understand that you are playing to the cheap seats but when Apple ships 2 million units in 3 days and you carp when compared to Samsung that does about 5 million a quarter of the SIII what is the point?
Re: Calm down Calm down
Here's the thing.
Firstly this is not about look and feel. So arguments about Apple making a TV in a few months are irrelevant. There are 4 Patents up for grabs and make no mistake Samsung just got in the way these four patents infringements lie heavily at the feet of Google and Android.
Also this is the Galaxy Nexus phone that has been banned which was released in November last year and not the new Galaxy SIII which also infringes but has not as yet had an injunction against it.
The thing is if Apple does win this case then ALL of Android will be culpable.
It might be simpler for Google to code around this stuff or take features out, like Motorola made Apple remove push emails from iOS5 in Germany.
The issue here is that smug, technically-obsessed posters don't understand why this thing is selling. It is always on, it is intuitive, and you do not have to pass some kind of geek IQ test to make it do things. At last there is a product that lets real people do stuff without having to resort to tech savvy relatives or worse, pay people, to get things done.
The barbarians are at the gates. The cabal is falling.
Re: Re: …pretty flippant way to talk about someone dying of a serious disease.
Thank you for that.
My mother died of a brain tumor last year, and my sister is a breast cancer survivor.
You may have a thicker skin than I, but I found it offensive.
Re: …pretty flippant way to talk about someone dying of a serious disease.
Agreed. One can only hope that Anna has no relatives that have suffered from or are dying of cancer because this tasteless headline takes the f***ing biscuit.
In fact the whole thing is a trolly bitch about Apple.
"Indeed The Register predicted this move after the arrival of the first iPad. Sadly, we didn't patent the idea."
I think you have to actually do something to get a patent. Don't think you could look at a leading device and say "like that but in yellow, or like that but smaller." I can see that you are trying to hint at Apple patenting everything but that was a dumb comment.
One other point. Digitimes track record on Apple has been pretty abysmal. They are the News of the World of tech reporting, a place that with this article, you are only a couple of places above.
Shame it has no actual basis in fact.
"Tech titan faces tablet knockout in dozens of China's cities"
This thing is garnering a lot of publicity as the press would love to talk this up. But up until now it has managed to pull 45 iPads from the shelves. 45. So lots of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
This is all hype and bluster and the press are lapping it up.
Re: Maybe I'm being naive, but...
I could be completely wrong here, but I think chip and pin is a european initiative - I don't think it is used in the US or Asia, which is where the phones are developed and manufactured.
"Has Apple's iAd had it?"
Every iAd sold, and every Siri query answered first time (it eventually falls back to google) is one less ad served by Google. iOS is still the largest source of mobile advertising income for Google. These small steps are eating away at that.
"Apple were also insanely profitable with their Macs some 20 years ago, but they chose high profit margins to market share"
Actually it was a different Apple, one full of bean counters and sugar water salesmen, basically bit players who didn't understand the market.
For all your sarcasm about Jobs, you have forgotten his best creation: the new Apple, the largest tech company in the world, ain't going to roll over this time. It's not that Jobs came back, it is what his management team have done over the last 15 years, but ignore that and just rely on usual British sarcasm, that'll fix it.
Samsung is a large company. The components division is completely separate from the mobile company. I think last year Apple spent something like 6-8 billion dollars with them and were Samsung's single largest customer.
I am pretty certain that the guy who ran the mobile division and put these "designs" into production was canned about 4 months ago.
But this argument appears to have tipped into "saving face" at Samsung and they are going at it with all they have, even if they are completely misusing the FRAND agreements already in place.
"I wonder how long it will be before Apple simply moves to alternative suppliers."
They already have shifted large quantities away.
Anonymous Coward trolling board.
"It is funny though, Samsung that has patents on actual inventions can't use those patents as they're standards,"
Let me spell it out for you. The reason they cannot use those patents to sue Apple is that they agreed to have them rolled into the standards. When that happens they must license them on FRAND terms, which means that they cannot use them as a lever to try and get better agreements with a customer just because they want. Also Samsung were seeking a 2.4% payment on the chip that Apple uses for connection to the wireless network on each and every infringement, which would be an outrageous figure and totally against the FRAND terms to which they signed up.
The iPhone 4S uses Qualcomm chips to do this connection and Qualcomm are already paying Samsung for the rights to use their patents. Samsung are trying to double dip here and charge the end customer for patents they have already licensed to the chip manufacturer.
"However the galaxy does look a fair old bit like an iPad"
I assume you have seen the charger? It's the same as the iPad charger, save for the color. And Samsung were the only manufacturer that went out of their way to skin Android to resemble the way the iPad looks and feels.
Samsung are on very shaky ground here, despite what the Apple haters seem to think.
In Japan, with the "Airplane Mode" argument, Samsung may have more luck, but I haven't had time to work out if there was prior art yet.
"It seems to me that Samsung have taken the only path that was open to them, and in using a selection of proper, defensible patents based on technological innovation "
All fine and dandy, save for the fact that the the patents Samsung are using to "protect themselves" are part of the 3G standard, so they are committed to licensing them on FRAND terms. That basically means if someone comes along with a better way of doing a mobile phone you cannot then use those patents to try and pull off a special deal to use their designs, their techniques. It certainly doesn't give Samsung the opportunity to lift Apple's designs for both hardware and software (skinning Android to look like iOS? Nobody else bothers to do the) even down to the design of the USB charger.
Cost of everything... the value of nothing...
Where did you get your numbers from? Does it actually have anything in there for marketing? Did the design just come up at no cost? The cost of components are not the cost of manufacture, and Apple's leading device, the iPhone is probably responsible for the largest parts of Apple's profit margins as they get full retail from the carriers for every one sold.
More to the point. Amazon isn't allowed to sell iPads, only the scammers and third parties put iPads on Amazon as the actual company has no agreement with Apple to sell the iPad. This is why the sales charts on Amazon are not the place to go when trying to work out how well the iPad is selling because they don't there.
"The market for playbooks has just exploded."
Yeah, right. People will not being buying playbooks in any quantity.
Not even people from the government.
The Dell appears to be a monitor.
The Apple product contains an HD camera, high-quality audio, three USB 2.0 ports, a FireWire 800 port, a Gigabit Ethernet port, and a Thunderbolt port for daisy-chaining additional high-performance devices.
So you get what you pay for I suppose.
The word that is missing from the title is "preliminary", but don't let the UK focused anti-fanboys stop celebrating,,,
Hmmm... Stephen, you are trolling...
Firstly you make up a product called Logic X to instill, fear, uncertainty, doubt into the conversation.
"there are already alerts that it breaks a lot of commonly used plug-ins"
Link, please, because my Logic using friends have told me that they haven't had any major issues. Perhaps the plug-ins they use don't fall into the "broken" category.
Perhaps we should wait and actually see what it does, and what the next version of Logic is and does before panicking...
His "Perhaps the answer lies with the Financial Times, which spurred Apple to ease its app purchasing restrictions by introducing an HTML5 web app that bypasses the App Store entirely." argument kinda fails as that is how Apple launched the iPhone in the first place - and all the developers went up in arms to ask for full app writing privileges.
Basically Matt's moan this week is to try and get Apple to hand over the keys to their kingdom. Application lock in was an important idea from the start - once you are on iOS you stick with it - that people poo-pooed, but it is real and it is an important part of the iOS strategy.
Eagerly awaiting the article next week using same argument on getting all my Windows apps for free on Linux... Not clones, but the same applications.
"Go on Adobe, I bought Photoshop for Windows, give it to me for free on Linux. And no, I won't give you anything for development, I've already paid you for your time once."
Sounds a bit stupid when you put it like that.
"If he'd trademarked his icon he'd have a very strong case."
Save that "his icon" consists of Apple's icon for wi-fi inside Apple's logo for sync.
So yes he probably has a strong case for insertion of two of Apple's icons being ripped off...
Let me know...
When Google fixes their OS... and delivers it to all their customers.
Latest prediction: 5 months
Number of Users delivered to: 4%
Looks like you'll need to buy a new phone.
You spend the time waiting for the downloads by posting your rant here.
Math lose actually.
That Android figure is made up of a lot of companies... Some giving their phones away... Takes the count way up but remember, it is not the best Android phones which are leading the count. If it were then you'd be seeing 18.7 million figures for whatever the Droid of the month is. You don't.
Apple basically have 2 phones. The iphone 4 and the iPhone 3gs. One company shipping 18.7 million phones and the greater part of the profit in the smartphone market is NOT to be sniffed at.
Except it wasn't...
"The UI bits that Apple is claiming infringement of could have been thought up by a creative group of 6th formers with the right leadership. "
Yes the same can be said about Rothko's or Jackson Pollack's artwork.
The point is that it wasn't thought up by 6th formers and the look and feel of touchwiz is as close to the iPhone layout and design as you can get.
The only thing about that phone that is original is that the home button is an oblong instead of a circle and that isn't saying much now is it?
"Apple needs to justify its market cap and nothing short of spectacular growth will do that."
Well Apple have had pretty spectacular growth for a while now and it doesn't appear to move the needle much. Pretty low P/E ratios and if you back the cash out, ridiculously low P/E ratios. Meanwhile we get Amazon and other trading well above their earnings - 73.5 or so as of this morning.
Apple doesn't have to justify it's market cap at all. That is what the market does. The market cap of the company is what the market thinks it is worth... and Apple are very underrated.
Here are some suggestions...
You don't have to try too hard to use your imagination to find out uses for it.
Your argument Stacy is "I don't want one, therefore there aren't any uses I can see".
Here's the thing - I am getting old - and having a large screen which I can prop up against a pillow in bed to watch an episode or two of a TV series or a movie before going to sleep is a perfect use. No dumb keyboard banging against your chin or fans kicking in to make it impossible to hear what is being said... And that is just one use...
Giant GPS device when in the car.
Giant phone with Skype for emergencies if you don't have a mobile - there are some of us you know.
Classic Games machine - have you seen the Atari collection? - pretty awesome for those of us of a certain age.
Use iSwifter to watch streaming Flash sites such as Hulu, there really is no end of possibilities.
But it's far easier to say that there are "no advantages" when you have invested in another product though.
"Apple is fantastic at fostering growth in new markets. It is terrible at maintaining market share."
Apple still holds the mobile music player market share - and this is not a unique occurrence.
The mobile phone market is very different from the tablet market. Cut throat competitiveness and high subsidies from the carriers are not going to be able to attract new customers with tablets if those customers are up to their necks attempting to recoup their phone subsidies.
Yes, there will be lots of entrants to the tablet market - but how many will stick?
At the moment Honeycomb isn't ready. Yes it is shipping on some devices but that doesn't make it actually ready. When it is ready then will it be "good enough"? Well we shall see but until Google implement some form of DRM then Netflix won't be on the boxes for example and that is a pretty large use of the tablet form thrown out the window.
I think you are making some huge assumptions here to get page hits, Matt. And I think that you are wrong when it comes to the future of tablets.
Works like this, duck...
If you own a Google product then all your data belong Google.
If you buy from Apple then you get what you pay for with your agreed limitations.
If you buy from Google - you are the product which is sold.
For example, Android is "Open" except with Honeycomb where Google aren't releasing that yet.
You are missing the point.
The Apple ecosystem has a huge number of paying customers. It is where the money is.
With Android people who get cheap phones just want free software.
So you get the same level of noise without the payoff.
15 million beta testers...
Which manufacturer recently released a product that was missing 3 of its advertised features on day one?
No Flash. An SD card slot but nothing can actually access it as of yet. Promised 4G but you have to ship it back to the factory to get it upgraded when they make it available. Yes, Motorola, shipping vaporware promises where it counts.
And you are claiming that the iPad was a Bete? I think you should get your facts sorted sonny.
Here's the thing...
Rik, when you have a product that comes from nowhere and ships 15 million units in nine months then maybe you'd have a point. Until then keep your smarm to yourself.
This is going to sell shedloads and the rest of the pack very little indeed.
It's not about specs it's about function. At the moment the highly spec'd Xoom has no actual functions. There is very little you can do with it. Meanwhile... there are tons of things you can do with the iPad.
"I still however wonder about all the poeple who are buying and bought tablets. What are they really using this for?"
Best cinema for the bed. Netflix is great. You can try and do it with a netbook but the keyboard smashes your chin.
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