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Re: It seems entire nation is waiting for El Reg readers to tell them whats going on
What happened was almost certainly a simple change to the overnight batch run. Not properly tested before implementation and caused a problem that was not caught before the end of the run. The batch run completed and the online systems were brought up for the next day and then the problem was spotted. You then have to back out the online transactions, back out the batch run back out the change, rerun the batch, reapply the online transactions. Unfortunately the overnight batch takes all night to run and doing all that other stuff is time intensive too. This problem stems from the RBS takeover of Natwest, RBS (small bank) management says "why the hell does this mainframe stuff take so long and cost so much?" Natwest management say "Well it's all the testing and expensive mainframe staff" RBS management look to India and thinks hmm......
I for one would pay to ride on a five meter kangaroo!
As a supporter of gun control,
I really think he should have used a chainsaw!
you mean strong language like..
"Anti Nuclear Fruit Cakes"?
it's less than the annual subsidy to any one of the major (massively profitable) oil producing companies.
(Flames for burning oil installation.)
and the only drawback is notherners have earthquakes and flames coming out of their taps!
Fry the suckers!!!
I really hate mozzies......
Green energy ignored by the rest of the world...
Do you mean like China with the worlds largest PV manufacturing capacity or like Germany with the largest installed PV base, or Demark who generate up to 20% of peak electricity use with wind, or California or Texas with huge wind investments or Italian geothermal or Brazilian biomass...
@ Black betty
Infrasound aqffecting health? Aircraft waring light intrusive? You are really reaching there...
@ Aaron Em
Plutonium is not found in nature, it is created in fission reactors. If you are going to comment on this forum you really should do a little research first.....
Is anyone still underwriting public liability insurance on fusion plants? Or is this something (like our banking system) that is picked up by governments because they're too big to fail...
"what's so special about a repository?"
It has to last for tens of thousands of years, that's what.
No structure every built by man has every done that. Do you know what happens to concrete that is a thousand years old? I don't and no other humans do.
MIBTF to welcome our alien building contractors......
You should proof read your post if you're going to criticise.....
Jumping to conclusions...
a controlled substance that does not exist in nature is found very close to an exploded plant that uses it. But lets not make assumptions Highlander.....
is sounding more and more like the scruffy guy in the high street with the can of diamond white. He still makes more sense than Orlowski though....
reprocessing would cut the amount of waste that had to be managed
Actually while cutting high level waste reprocessing greatly increase the amount of low level waste, which still has to be managed. But seeing as Mr Page seems happy to have it in his house it looks like that problem's solved!
"experts" - often anti-nuclear campaigners, suggest the evacuation zone be extended.
Like those anti nuclear IAEA guys huh Lewis?
@ Madmike & Svanevid
Agreed trace amounts of uranium (all isotopes) are present in coal (and some soil) but plutonium isn't. Plutonium does not occur in nature and is widely argued to be the most poisonous substance known. I'm glad you're so confident that the incompetants who are in charge of Japan's NP to dig up and dispose of thousands (millions?) of tons of dangerously radioactive topsoil but I'm not.
I wouldn't like to live next to a coal powered plant either but I don't believe that coal and NP are the only two choices.
The plant managers have admitted that they have found plutonium in the soil around the reactors, the only place this could have come from is from inside fuel rods. Given that they don't even look close to making the reactor buildings safe to work in it is going to be some time before they frind the broken rods and make them safe. Plutonium in the soil will mean it is too dangerous to do any large scale groundwork based remediation, which means a small scale enclosed operation that will take years, decades, generations.
Even those convicted liars who run these plants have had to admit that the core in at least one reactor has melted. The fact that good civil engineering and drastic risk management has prevented hundreds of people being poised so far does not detract from the fact that the whole area around the plant is despoiled for generations.
All very interesting Andydaws....
how do you explain the plutonium in the soil outside the reactor building?
ever heard of
(flames for melting reactor)
Thank you Lewis,
I was begining to think you had succumbed to reality but I'm glad to hear that everything is still rosy in your radioactive world!
I need someone to tell me why the water that managed to give radiation burns to workers near the reactor is safe and healthful.....
You're right trach....
The effect of radioactive releases into the environment is often stated as the number of extra cancer cases. This is normally a very small number compared to the overall number of cases but there will still be a handful of people who die from cancer who would not have. It's impossible to tell which are the extra ones so there's no comeback for the people responsible for contaminating the environment.
....what do you mean they haven't been eating Ready Brek?
"The Fukushima reactors actually came through the quake with flying colours"
Then proceeded to do more damage to themselves than the quake + tsunami did.
To paraphrase another 'tard, any system that self distructs when power is removed is normally called a booby trap.
beyond satire now mr Page
Focusing on the fact that not many people have been killed yet is missing the point. This site is now too dangerous to approach and is dependant on people risking their lives and health to stop it getting much worse. It will be too radioactive to dismantle for centuries and will be dangerous all that time.
A bottle of Paracetemol,
will not still be poisoning people in a thousand years....
Oil spillages have poisoned areas for decades and that's a bad thing. The reactor failures will poison the site for millenia.....
(can we have a radiation hazard icon please El Reg?)
Reactor 4 is triumpantly emitting steam or smoke...
To let the world know that this triumph isn't over yet! Have we reached Chernoble levels of triumph yet?
Reactors 5 and 6..
are now being flooded with seawater according to Reuters, so they're trashed too. Attempts to helecopter water into reactor 2 have failed due to high radiation levels. The triumphs keep coming!
Another great triumph!
So they are left with 4 fused and corroded raioactive lumps to get rid of and a large amount of the country's generating capacity ofline at a time when they rest of thier infrastructure has taken a huge hit. It will take years (decades, never?) to dismantle the site and years to get their capacity back to where it was before the quake both at enormous cost. Win!!!!
Call me a doom monger, but....
Three explosions, one ongoing fire, four deaths so far, a significant release of radioactivity and a still worsening situation does not seem good. This is still not over and the whole truth is not out yet.
Triumphs closer to home..
An old Japanese man interviewed some time after the end of WWII said that even though the Japanese officials kept trumpeting about their great victories in the pacific he knew they were losing the war because each victory was closer to Japan than the last. I was reminded by this when hearing japanese officials saying how the problems in their nukes were being overcome, each intervention seems more desperate than the last.
Were I religious I would pray.....
a japanese word?
"No imaginable disaster can result in serious problems"
Sounds like a failure of imagination Lewis! (the lead lined one please.....)
I'm sure that these were marvels of engineering,
and I'm sure that the people who built them to stay mostly intact after the punishment they sufferered did a great job. I just think it was a bad idea to build them in the first place......