Re: @Nathan

I think your being harsh. How on earth are people to find out that their "friend" has just had pasta for dinner, or that they watched an old Bond film on ITV4+1, and have a like for it or how about the important email that tells you you only have 3 months to renew your car insurance?

See you NEED these things in life, society will collapse without it.

Re: So what /should/ have been done?

Yup my Linux box running XBMC never crashes, oh wait not it doesn't because it hung so often i replaced it with a Win XP also running XBMC which runs beautifully. Still spending 3 hours trying to get the right f'ing version and prerequisites for it on Umbongo was sooo much easier than Windows, next, next, next.

Re: Proof?

Strict terms and conditions?

You may be asked to provide your personal information anytime you are in contact with Apple or an Apple affiliated company. Apple and its affiliates may share this personal information with each other and use it consistent with this Privacy Policy. They may also combine it with other information to provide and improve our products, services, content, and advertising.

.....Because this information is important to your interaction with Apple, you may not opt out of receiving these communications.

We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising.

We also may collect information regarding customer activities on our website, iCloud and MobileMe services, and iTunes Store...... This information is aggregated....Aggregated data is considered non-personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Policy.

So in other words, you have no privacy.

Just about no phone company makes "dumb" phones any more

Really?Really?

I take it you haven't seen the £6 ones in Tesco's?

I have a "dumb" Samsung next to me, the wife has a "dumb" Nokia (who by the way still make way more dumb ones than smart ones.

Of course definition of dumb is subjective. As my dumb phone has a 1 month standy by, several hours talk time, never drops a call, has great voice quality and hardly ever has no signal, how dumb is it?

Re: I don't get it...

Anyone else spotted the Irony?

The OP says I can't see why you can remain silent to stop self incrimination, but he chooses to be annon to put his point across.

Re: Re: This can work pretty well

Or most decent art / photo (even audio) editing packages about a decade before GIMP came along.

Re: Can we please have approx 200 follow up comments?

ha you missed the new trick.

Apple released this to prove that the NEW version of it's OS, with it's lovely walled garden approach, will stop this sort of thing happening.

Re: Re: How big a rise?

Wrong.

try the energy company method of marketing.

Our costs have gone up by 10% so we have to raise retail by 10%.

Random numbers:

Cost to build per unit £100 + 10% = New cost £110

Cost retail £500 + 10% = New Cost £550.

£40 extra profit, but hey it's the same % increase as we have been hit by.

Oh lets see

So we'd have to retrain all 80 IT staff, then 3500 users, rewrite 100's of programs, agree with hundreds of customers that interface directly with us constantly to change the way they work. Throw away millions of pounds worth of software, replace close on 3000 servers (after all we can't use the old ones as they'll need to stay live during migration)

Then of course rebuild our internal infrastructure, you know petty things like Lync (what's a decent free FOSS version of this?), Video conferencing kit, Outlook, Exchange, Telephony interfaces, Sharepoint, Office (including visio, again a decent FFOS alternative please).

Oh and everything stil needs to run 24/7/365. Fuck up and your losing us several miilion £ / hour.

Should only cost a few 10's of millions to do.

Oh and by the way, were not anti Linux / FoSS, but we also don't live in the make belive world.

You see FOSS != free.

Inachu

You really need to get over your personal anger issues, especially with people who have a better job than yourself.

Maybe if you studied a little harder, trolled a little less, you may feel a little better within yourself.

Odd...

.I paid £100 for my non-apple pad at it does everything I need.

Plays video (HD), plays audio, shows pictures, surfs the web, gets my emails, gets the news & weather, has iPlayer (and clones).

Nope, quite happy thanks.

Ok the wireless could be better, but got a work around for that and the battery life could be better, but hey it was less than 1/4 the price.

I'll call your bluff..

I don't think you've ever worked as defence lawyer.

"Of course if you think the jury are so stupid they cannot evaluate things like past convictions"

for starters, juries are not told of previous convictions except in exceptional circumstances. Only once found guilty is this taken into account,.

"I would think that a huge amount of scum go free because the full facts are never heard."

Isn't this the point of obtaining evidence and not basing a case on hearsy and "lawyers" presumptions on what consitutes "scum". If that were the case, many of us would agree that the first people to be banged up should be many of the lawyers themselves.

"then you may just get the criminal justice system you deserve."

Good, I hope we do get the one where a person is entitled to a fair trial, regardless of what rumours someone has heard on the internet.

Lies....

...next you'll be saying the UK and large sections of the rest of the EU supported Gaddiffi as helped stem the flow of immigrants into the EU...Oh wait....

I installed the latest version of Ubuntu the other day...

...and some 280 updates later it was ready for use.... So your point is?

Odd....

...didn't think iOS was a free give away and that seems to be doing ok.

Come to think of it, neither were most mainfram OS that ruled the roost in the 60's/70's/80's,

Oh last time I checked the worls largest operating system (Windows) wasn't free either.