* Posts by David 164

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Google AI gains access to 1.2m confidential NHS patient records

David 164

Re: Is there an opt out?

Which you can thank this tory government for as they are the ones which cancel the centralisation of medical records which would have allowed cross the board opt out much easier in the first place.

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David 164

Re: What kind of moronic thinking is that?

Actually it not about coming to better conclusions, it about using these medical records to train up a Deepmind Neural net so that it can spot a patient with kidney trouble or sepsis or any number of other conditions before they become life threatening and presumably before a human doctor could.

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David 164

Re: What kind of moronic thinking is that?

Except that dealing with experiments on the patients directly with new drugs or surgical techniques, which at the moment Google isn't doing. What Google is doing with this set of data is training it neural network to recognise when a patient has kidney problems from their medical records. CQC, NICE and other organisation already does this on a regular base, NICE use patient records to confirm whether drugs are as good as they claim and whether they are worth the price we are paying for them. CQC use them to spot where parts of the NHS are failing.

Helsinki Declaration will only come into effect once Google start to test its technology in a live clinical environment and are monitoring real patients, presumably in real time because that the moment when they are actually experimenting and using patients as guinea pigs.

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David 164

Re: This has health privacy implications far beyond just the affected patients...

Deepmind are British researchers.

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David 164

Re: revenge porn

You have almost certainly gave you consent, which the NHS almost certainly stored at one of its storage sites or servers.

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David 164

Re: But....

They actually state they don't sale ads in the UK, given that where nearly all of it profits are made, there very little generation of revenue and thus profits being made in this country. I don't like this anymore than you do but the politicians could change the law tomorrow if they wanted, they won't because they themselves would be hit by such changes to the law.

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David 164

Re: Is there an opt out?

NHS patient records are already analyse by dozens of organisations.

There a form you and everyone else would have signed somewhere in your life where you gave permission for information to be analyse and possessed by third parties, such as department of health, NICE, CQC. Signing up to the GP for example.

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David 164

Re: What kind of moronic thinking is that?

Ambulance driver missed signs of sepsis,

Nurse missed signs of sepsis,

Doctor missed signs of sepsis,

consultant missed signs of sepsis,

Google software didn't, another life save.

Bet that headline doesn't meet your narrow view of the world does it?

Every data protection form I have ever signed have included giving permission for my data to be analyse and process by third parties, this is no different. If people don't want to read them that their fault.

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David 164

A million patients out of 70 million people, only a tiny bit over 1% opted out.

It going to be interesting to see what Deepmind can do with this data over the next year, Sepsis is another condition they are going to investigate.

It a shame Deepmind didn't stay a British company through.

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Google's 'fair use' mass slurping of books can continue – US Supremes snub writers' pleas

David 164

I very much doubt Google will want to risk any moves which could turn the courts against them. They can make their money from sales of books and using this massive data sets indirectly to enhance their other services.

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David 164

Re: Why not let Google be your publisher

Which would mean it couldn't be index by a library or by any other organisation like bookshops and Amazon, which would mean no one would ever be able to find your book, great for secret manuscripts about your secret cult, not so great if you actually want people to find and buy your book. I thought this site was meant to be filled with intelligent people.

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David 164

Go to Google books and you will find there are no ads on the site.

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David 164

Re: Now Google has won

Why would they shut something down which they can use to enhance some of there most important research such as AI and translations software?

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David 164

Re: "Out of print" is a mortal sin

For the publishers, who have spent decades making sure they lost track of the owners of copyrights so they didn't have to pay out to the authors or their inheritors any money they were rightly owed.

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David 164

Now Google has won

Now google has won the court case, the project it will probably get renew it investment and interest from Google, I wouldn't be surprise if in the next couple of years we the catalogue greatly enhance. Before now any money google spent could have been pouring money down the drain.

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European Union set to release anti-competition hounds on Google

David 164

Re: Keep up the good work!

Rupert Murdoch- but we want our cake and eat it as well.

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David 164

Nokia never caught up with Apple, they got to distracted making phones look like lipstick.

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Iain Duncan Smith's Universal Credit: A timeline

David 164

Anyone else was expecting a much more detail article?

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How to build a plane that never needs to land

David 164

Re: why wings rather than balloons for lift

They don't need to be planes.

The MOD will be testing out the Airlander 10 for surveillance purposes this year.

http://www.hybridairvehicles.com/news-and-media/selex-es-and-hav-to-team-up-for-mod-airship-testing

They are already working on turning it into a electric aircraft, I'm guessing they will pursue smaller versions for surveillance operations as it offers better chance of a profit before going for larger versions.

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Alphabetti spaghetti: What Wall Street isn't telling you about Google

David 164

Does it matter why do you risk upsetting an existing business model, all that matters is Google is doing it by charging 9:99 to get rid of ads on Youtube, why providing a bunch of other services as well in the same package.

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LASER RAZOR blunted by KickStarter ban

David 164

I chuck in a fiver on Indiegogo, what the worst that could happen, they take their prototype laser razor that can cut a few hairs over a couple minutes to a final product that can shave my face in a few minutes and put it on general sale and I spend 300 quid on a Laser razor. I spent 300 quid on worse things.

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Brit hydro fuel cell maker: our tech charges iPhone 6 for a week

David 164

Re: No one needs this

Now be honest with us, did you read the article ?

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Got an Android phone? SMASH IT with a hammer – and do it NOW

David 164

So Google could/should be able to issue a patch for Hangout to stop pre processing videos for now until manufactures pull their fingers out and issue a over the air update for android, an other messaging apps under it control. An other messaging app providers could provide the same fix fairly quickly as well, especially the big guys like Facebook and WhatsApp.

We will see how seriously the messaging apps themselves take this bug.

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Google helps Brit crims polish their image – but what about the innocent

David 164

Re: If you commit a crime....

Only companies which operates and have a legal presence in the EU.

There are a few Chinese an at least one Russia search engines that index the whole web, they have no operational presence in the EU and no business interests in the EU and thus don't need to comply with EU judges decisions and EU governments have no powers to force them to comply with EU.

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David 164

Re: carte blanche to erase history

Society and people expectations are still adapting to having all of this information available with a few press of a keyboard.

I very much more doubt someone in their twenties really cares about some photos that the person that they are interviewing took in Ibiza or down at the local, I know someone who 29 interview employees for a major bank T department yes he could find out a tonne of details about the people who he interviews by searching the web but he doesn't because he accepts that this information little to no effect on them being able to do the job, whilst he knows some of his older colleagues who are in their 40s do have their puritan views and will refuse to employ someone who has a few dodgy pics on some profile page they probably can't even remember setting up or happen to have been arrested for some crime in their teens.

It often older generations that have these prejudices and well frankly we probably have to wait for the old dogs to retire or die to get rid of them.

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David 164

Re: Rape victims not a great example

One of the problems with that is, it can often be other people coming forward with accusations that allows the police to build up enough evidence to get a conviction in the first place.

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David 164

Re: Rape victims not a great example

But names slip out all the time for one. An it only rape victims that get their name protected.

Here a scenario,

one person get a accused of raping a women, they get found innocent by the courts but another person at the same trial get found guilty, the first person who got accused and found innocent, their name will still be mention in articles about the case and is often brought up in job interviews or down the pub. Now they themselves decides they have had enough and so ask for the articles to be removed from Google.

The person who is found innocent deserves to be able to get along with their lives but the person found guilty deserve have their name in the media, so how is Google meant to react. If I was reviewing the case I would have a lot of sympathy with the bloke that is found innocent and decide to remove the article. Unfortunately the side effect of this decision could easily be the actual rapist name also being removed from the Google index.

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Right to be forgotten is a lot more complex to implement than it supporters would like to make out, especially when it comes to criminal cases. Often articles and news sites like to cover the whole history of criminal cases, so police suspects are often mention in article long after they became irrelevant to the cases as well. Again do they deserve to be forever tainted with the case?. These are the questions the supporters of this decision have to answer and justify.

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David 164

"""If Google wasn't sure, then it could simply refuse a request and thus bounce difficult requests to the relevant national data commissioner, who would decide."""

The problem with that was always going to be about cost and Google sent thousands of cases commissioners all across Europe, costs would quickly mount, google having to send lawyers to these cases costs of assembling their cases, writing up documents, potentially flying out witnesses even having to cover the claimant costs. Plus if discussions came out against Google it could leave google open to be sued for continue reputational damage, most costs.

An that one of the unintended side effects of the law that the stupid judges in Europe didn't think about, criminal cases often involve multiple people thus multiple people will often be mention in the article and would have their privacy violated, thus they have the right to remove the article, not just the criminal in the article. Stupid decision by a bunch of overzealous judges in Europe, it no wonder a large percentage of Brits want to leave Europe.

If people don't like the way Google is dealing with then they should campaign for the government to take on the costs of dealing with all the cases an the people who want that can pay extra taxes to pay for it.

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David 164

That presume the media will keep us inform about removals and keep fighting mistakes. With many media companies struggling financially their little incentive for them to spend money on fighting Google decisions.

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Google's new free music service is classic Google: Take someone's idea and slap ads on it

David 164

Re: "you can browse our curated stations by genre, mood, decade or activity"

shhhhhhhhhhhh- let at least pretend this is a brand new innovative product and not just radio over the internet.

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Client-attorney privilege up for grabs in Google fishing trip

David 164

This one confusing, messy article, I think the editor need to take another look at it, especially the first page.

The fact the lawyer firm is crying foul suggests that there is a fire to be found. Sony docs for me at least point to some sort of conspiracy. That doesn't necessarily give Google the right to demand these own fishing expedition but still I refuse to stick up for the MPAA and Hollywood.

Hood was on his own fishing expedition and rightly withdraw the requests before he got slap down by the courts for it.

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White House forced to wade into Oracle vs Google Java bickerfest

David 164

I knew this was turn bad once judges with zero programming knowledge and zero interest in programming got involved.

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Spotify springs bloody leak as losses grow to $197m – report

David 164

Re: 40% headcount increase!?

Given that they have a big announcement coming up my guess would be a new product. Also they could have expanded their staff into area like ads sales team and not new developers.

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Google adds evil-code scanning to Play Store

David 164

Re: Apple's process isn't fully automated

Unless you find a way to stop apple from remotely disabling the app.

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Frontier promises it won't 'dumb down' Elite: Dangerous for Xbox

David 164

Frontier have already confirm power play has nothing to do with with PVP Arena. Which I'm sure are coming in some form or another. I'm pretty sure if it does come it will be done in a similar manner to community goals and war zones, they will pop up anywhere but likely to be confine Anarchy systems and Empire control systems and will be combination of NPCs and real players.

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Google's 'encrypted-by-default' Android is NOT encrypting by default

David 164

Re: Google can too require it

That still results in the same thing happen, android devices without encryption only as an added bonus Android with no encryption and no security updates.

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Google’s privacy policy: Italians probing a little deeper

David 164

Re: One rule for the rich and powerful...

That generally how data protection laws are enforce, it far more cooperative than confrontational than just about any other area of law at the minute, which why the act tough act from EU have been grinded down to what the whole are minor changes and no where near the original EU demand of a complete role back to the previous privacy policies.

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Google forced to – wah! – OBEY the LAW with privacy policy tweaks

David 164

Re: Chocolate teapot ICO - as always

I don't. Which is why I expected Google to win the first place. The ICO generally urge on the side of not taking people to court.

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David 164

Re: I still think...

or the 200 pages times 70 like the old regime, which the EU 29 article working group wanted Google to return to.

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David 164

Don't like to boast but I did predict google would pick off the data protection commissioners one by one in the EU and that the UK was likely to be the first to agree a deal. This deal goes nowhere near as far as EU Article 29 working group initial demands, which was to completely reverse the merger of all of Google privacy policies into a single policy. Google has basically gotten what they wanted and all they had to do is add a few words to their policy and make a few promises.

1 commissioner down and 27 more to go, I predict the rest will cave pretty easily they won't want to absorb the cost of fighting Google in the courts.

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Google crashes supposedly secure Aviator browser

David 164

Re: @AC,

Actually Google doesn't know which Toothpaste I use or which shampoo I have use be I have never bought neither online or ever search for either online.

An for both I just buy which ever one cheapest. That goes for countless other things. Sainsbury probably know more about my shopping habits than Google does.

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Blind justice: Google lawsuit silences elected state prosecutor

David 164

Re: Good article

Google have already inform Sony and it legal firms to save the documents and be prepare for legal requests to obtain the documents. So whilst the original info may have from purloined documents, Google is looking at seizing those documents legally from Sony, it law firms and possible MPAA.

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Google sues Mississippi Attorney General 'for doing MPAA's dirty work'

David 164

Nice touch is that Google has already informed Sony and it lawyers to keep copies of call documents, which suggests that Google will go and get original directly from source. An now it already seen everything from Sony has, they know exactly what to ask for.

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Android gives Google a search monopoly? Not so fast, says judge

David 164

Four difference, 1: Microsoft had a much high market penetration. 2: There was actually no way to remove IE from Windows. 3: Google has lots of very rich and well resource competitors, Apple, Microsoft, Blackberry and others 4: Mobile phone networks can always use the open source version of android and avoid having to use Google version of Android and do whatever they want and install whatever crapware they want to force onto their customers, like Amazon has done and several Chinese and Russians companies have done.

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David 164

I seen four year olds install their favourite apps on my mobile, the pleasure of having young cousins and nephews and nieces. Changing the search engine on the phone should be no harder and if a 4 year old can manage to install an app I'm sure the rest of us will be able to figure it out.

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Kaspersky: That 2 years we took to warn you about Regin ? We had GOOD REASON

David 164

The problem with these arguments is that by keeping the bones they do have secret from the community they are denying the ability of others to present their own bones, so why Kaspersky and Symantec and others may not have had all the bones individually they may have had enough of the bones separately to build a model of the Dinosaur much earlier that 2 years after the first bone was found by either company.

And last I check the UK was part of the European commission which has been targeted. It not beyond the possibility that Five eyes or one of the Five eyes countries found Regin but decided to reverse engineer it and use it themselves, which is one of the the big risks of using cyber weapons once they are out there anyone can get hold of them and start using them themselves.

China is also conveniently missing from the list of targets, they aren't slouches in the cyberwarfare industry.

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Google opens Inbox – email for people too thick to handle email

David 164

I bet the real purpose of this apps is to allow google to experiment with new or enhance features which will eventually be rolled into Gmail.

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EU probes Google’s Android omerta again: Talk now, or else

David 164

The unhappy phone maker was Nokia and Google they been effectively controlled by Microsoft for a few years. The others haven't complained that much. An if and Google is cheaper than developing there own OS or paying Microsoft for there's.

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Feel free to BONK on the TUBE, says Transport for London

David 164

It going to be interesting to watch the number of contactless payments in the 6 to 12 months as buses are no longer accepting cash, which will lead people to realise they can use their bank card rather than having to wait for the next bus and hunt for somewhere to top up your oyster, impossible to do late at night.

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