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"Research analyst Pin Chen Tang said Microsoft needs to prove to channel partners and people buying the Surface that it is "in this market for the long haul"."
He is so wrong.
Microsoft needs to prove that the Surface doesn't SUCK as much as every techie friend you have is telling you it does!
I am one of those techie friends, and EVERYONE I know has been told by me that those devices simply suck, and cost WAY too much for what they can actually do.
So far... Microsoft has yet to prove me wrong.
What the FRACK is that crappy, 80's cheap MIDI musac??!??!??!
FFS! This is a multi BILLION dollar world-wide corporation and their add sounds like a repeat of "How it's made" on Discovery channel! Like a cheap Casio keyboard on demo mode...
If it wasn't Microsoft I'd think it was a joke...
" Bing, Xbox, Skype are all things they need to ditch to get back to their core, they also then need to work on their ethics somewhat."
Given that throughout their history, their most successful years were the fruit of screwing people over by abusing their monopoly stature, or stealing other people's ideas and/or technologies and giving them away for free to keep improving their monopoly position.... your comment totally makes sense.
If they got back to their "core" of screwing people over, and working on their ethics by completely giving them up... might actually improve their position. The problem is that at the moment... they have pretty strong competition over which they have very very little influence... they can't just kill it, and they can't really buy it.
Re: Wrong comparison
Maybe. But you're not going to get a Mac person to switch to Pc... Ever. Especially if they already have one.
You're also not going to get a business person to be interested if your only selling point is "it's as good as a Macbook air". Because business folks don't give a sh1te about Macs. A Mac is what their kids use, not them.
These devices are wrong on so many levels it's not even worth arguing over.
Let's assume they are right.
Let's assume they are right.
If the "pause" is due to humans stopping their use of CFCs, then the inevitable conclusion would have to be that the warming was actually caused BY CFCs... and not CO2.
I love a good Microsoft article on Monday morning.
Smells like..... Astro-turf and carpet bombing.
Can I upvote this more than once?
Just one thing...
" miss the internet search and advertising train"
They didn't miss the train at all.
They tried real real hard, but they hooked it up to a big locomotive (Bing) that just couldn't...
"… we will change the world again”.
I don't remember when copying other people's work using other people's technology became "changing the world".
Surfed the wave, yes.
Hit anyone who tried to follow in the face... definitely.
Kill off or buy out anyone why actually tried to change the world, definitely.
Microsoft is the most successful company in history at selling other people's ideas as their own.
And they're still trying to do it today.
We know what they haven't learned.
Well, they say they learned about hardware and software integration, and they learned they have some things to improve with that... Fine.
From the article, it would seem that they haven't learned that it's Windows8 itself. They hardware was fantastic... Windows... Not so much.
Will they learn to respect developers?
Have they learned that they can't build an app store by themselves?
Wow... there are just so many things wrong with this "article"... it's not even funny.
Xbox as a product was an abject failure. Sure, it got market share, it sold... but had it not been financially supported with BILLIONS from Microsoft... it would have totally failed within 2 years.
If XBox had been a standalone company... it would now be a small blip in the history of gamind consoles... like the Sega Genesis.
And technologically... XBox WAS A PC!... No innovation there...
Android is FAR better than "good enough"... which is a lot more than can be said about Win8...ew...
The ONLY guns going at Nokia are the ones pointed straight at their FOOT!... the first shop came when they hired Elop... the second, and fatal one was when they decided to partner with Microsoft... remember tham? Embrace, extend...extinguish... the only thingm left at Nokia of any value are the patents... which Microsoft just gracefully freed from the hardware division so that they can now troll the market without fear of reprisals since they no longer have products to protect.
I could go on... but I know a rebuttal would be pointless. I hope your check cleared...
Also... if you're going to use a picture password gesture thing... make sure you wipe your screen after every single use...
Secure??? Windows secure??? Are you KIDDING???
And really... who the hell needs office anymore?
Enough of the sales pitch dude... nobody's buying your bovine excrements.
Re: Plumbing new depths
"Is there no limit to this madman Elop's depravity?"
He is unable to resist. He's got Ballmer's hand so far up his a$$ he no longer controls his mouth.
The amount of disinformation, misinformation, misunderstanding and overall complete lack of actual scientific knowledge in the comments section of this article (and pretty much all online climate discussions) from both sides of the "argument" is absolutely stunning.
Re: I'm sure that there'l be a variety of amusing commentary here ...
"That is a simple proven fact."
No, it's not.
And not one single scientist on the planet will call it "a fact".
It is a theory, supported by a very large body of circumstantial evidence.
You can scream, cry and cll people names until you are blue in the face. But calling it "fact" makes you either ignorant or a liar.
" We began trending towards socialism after the "Red Menace" was no longer a threat."
And that right there is a perfect example of the complete and astonishing lack of knowledge and understanding on the part of seemingly educated Americans.
You... just don't have a clue.
Softies go "Finally!"
Astro-turfers go "It's FANTASTIC! And so slick and easy to use!!!"
World goes "What... ever..." while reading the news on their tablet.
Re: USA has a problem
"disclosing a secret program (some claim illegal) used for anti terrorism but potentially abused/abusable. "
And THIS is where the actual lie is!
This is not an "anti-terrorist" program!
This is purely a massive, gigantic, probably the biggest by orders of magnitude SURVEILLANCE program this planet has ever seen.
The US CLAIMS they built it to protect themselves against terrorism, but it is NOT an anti-terrorism tool... it is purely a surveillance tool, and no matter what they claim it's for... it CAN be used for anything.
Explosives can be used to make fireworks AND bombs. Nuclear fission can be used to make electricity AND bombs. Rockets can be used to send a man into space AND to make missiles...
And the NSA surveillance program can watch out for terrorists... AND everyone else on the planet...
Historically, EVERY single time a tool was invented that had the potential to be abused by those in power to retain their power... it HAS been abused. Why would this be any different?
I'd be willing to bet everything I have that this tool has ALREADY been abused multipls ways and multiple times...
No doubt about it.
Hostorically missing the point...
Windows 95 is the tool Microsoft used to break everything Novell tried to do.
The real error Novell did was having a product 100% dependent on someone else's OS. By the time they figured out that maybe they should do something about that... it was too late.
So Microsoft gave a set of Windows 95 APIs to Novell, on which Novell created versions of Netware clients and productivity suite... then at the last minute, Microsoft switched the APIs... forcing Novell into a panic rewrite, which cause major delays and buggy software. That gave Microsoft just enough time to release Windows NT and their own version of Office and TahDah... Novell went from the dominant networking King, to a buggy crappy sofware company, while Microsoft was right there, ready with replacement products that work "perfectly"...
Everything after that was almost inevitable.
Novell didn't "throw it all away"... Microsoft just destroyed them. By the time Microsoft was proven guilty of monopoly abuse in court... it was too late.
Re: Device not good enough?
"Has software really got so shit since then"
And one more thing...
ISP's trying to control what users have access to...
Hmmm.... Remember AOL?
Where do you get that I was bashing El-Reg??? I'm bashing the article and I'm saying it's the worst idea I've ever read here... ALL about it's content... nothing about it's container. Had I seen it on my local paper, or other tech outlet, or even in a comment... my reaction would have been the same.
As for why? I think it's pretty freakin'obvious!
The article argues that Google and others are taking consumers for a ride by providing free services thus keeping people (like ISP's) from being to monetize the services by charging for them.
Well... actually, Google gives the services and pass the bill to advertisers instead of consumers. And that's the way it SHOULD be!
Treating the Internet like cable TV would result in the same thing we get from cable TV. You get "basic", which is small, flat and uninteresting. Then you have to pay extra for "good" stuff. And then well, you really want only channel X... darn it only comes "packaged" with Y, Z and you have to pay extra extra for that.
Same as... you want access to El-Reg.. well it comes packaged with ZDNet, and SemiAccurate, and blogger... that'll all be extra.
I remember a time when specialty cable channels, that the consumer had to pay extra for, had no commercials because they were EXTRA and made money from subscription. Where did THAT go??
Actually, giving ISP control of where you're allowed to go online would be the BEST way of keeping the little companies OUT and killing innovation. Plus... it would force the ISP's to check and keep very careful track of where people go on the net... you think Google's privacy policies are a problem??? Yeah... sure... I trust big telcos with my personal stuff... sure...
Who was bashing El-Reg???
And your points are EXACTLY why I believe what the article proposes is completely ridiculous.
I would expect pictures like those at the end of that link to be removed no matter what the sex or age of the victim in them was...
Wholy crap, you're actually ADVOCATING FOR ISP's being able to sell you only the web services you want, like cable, instead of a free and open Internet?
Are you fucking insane????
This must be one of the most retarded thing I've ever read on the Reg... comments INCLUDED!
I've migrated a company to Office365. Wasn't my idea, I inherited the project.
The result was the it... works.
You get basically the same stuff you'd have with locally installed Office and Exchange.
Except you rent it for the rest of the lifetime of your company.
Re: As I predicted
Maybe, but at that it is a failure of epic proportions.
Most if not all major manufacturers have announced scaling back, or completely abandoning their plans for Windows tablets. Because of hardware requirements, licensing, lack of apps and a basically poor quality OS, Windows tablets simply cannot compete on price.
Because of the inefficiency of the OS, performance is dismal compared to same hardware with Android, so at very best, consumers would get a badly performing device, for 90$ more (Windows license vs Free Androis) than same device with Android.
in order to get good performance, consumers would have to pay hundreds more for the better hardware... only to get same performance as cheaper Android with none of the apps... it's a lose, lose, lose situation that Microsoft simply CANNOT win.
Sorry. The design of the UI may work very well on a tablet.... but the core of the operating system just doesn't cut it.
Are you serious??
You remove 7% of Android tablets because?? They are no brand tablets?
JUST so you can still say that what? Apple would be on top if it weren't for those damned pesky cheap tablets?
And then talk about a misleading title...Microsoft carves out "niche" taplet, competes with Apple for number 2.
At 7% vs 42%???
Microsoft isn't "competing"... it's desperately trying to hold on and losing money hand over fist... The title should actually read "Despite billions in advertizing, Microsoft barely outselling no-name knock-off Android tablets, not even close to Android or Apple".
Re: What gives ANY company the right...
NOW it may make sense...
I have to wonder if that's even legal!
You can't legally limit what people do with their own private property. (within the bounds of law... obviously)
Re: Absolutely true for me
First, NOBODY should be expected to install third party software on a brand new OS in order to make it "useable"... this is NOT acceptable.
Second: When the next update comes out, named Blue if I remember correctly, according to rumors this will no longer be possible. Microsoft will effectively be blocking the installation of the addons that return Windows to a semblance of useability. They are betting the farm on Metro... they will lose.
The Metro interface was designed by the same woman who designed the Ribbon.
In other words, back in 2007 Microsoft released a new version of Office. Immediately upon it's release, pretty much everyone flooded Microsoft with complaints that the new Office UI SUCKED. Things had been moved around uselessly, some features were now hidden under layers and layers of difficult to find sub menus, the menus themselves were meant to "adapt" with use, which caused this to move around and become unpredictable, etc etc etc... Personally... I'm STILL not used to it.
So in their great wisdom, what did Microsoft management do?
They gave that person, who was obviously clueless as to what users actually wanted, who designed that failure... the responsibility of designing an entire operating system UI...
In my humble opinion... they couldn't have done better had they PLANNED to sabotage the company.
Re: Who are they kidding?
<<Then for every 10 million sold the price goes up a fraction until demand trails off!>>
That model's already been tried, although at a smaller, independent scale.
I can't remember what the service was called, I remember using it to sell music though.
Songs would start at something like 0.10$/song, and the more people rated it up or bought them, the higher the price would go until it hit something like 0.99$.... when demand stopped, the price would slowly drop.
It was great, it was getting pretty popular with independent artists... and the it was bought out by a large online music company...and shut down and never replaced by anything like it.
THAT is free market at work right there.
Re: It's pathetic.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH we're ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!
"Just ask the people of New Orleans."
You mean the people who live in a bowl shaped area, near a heavy hurricane region, at an altitude below sea level and who think there's nothing wrong with that?
Neither are man boobs.
Wasn't there a story about a chinese guy who started lactating and breast feeding his daughter after the death of is wife a few years ago?
then doctors did confirm that men CAN in certain circumstances lactate?
Not so useless now eh?
Re: Totally missing the point
"As I said, it needs to be installed or supported by a technical-elite."
What your post actually tells us, is that you've never had to install Windows from scratch... that's what it says.
I would suspect that the problem with a Mission to Mars isn't getting there, surviving the trip and all that. We could do that with technology available to us today!
The real challenge for a trip to Mars involving a landing... is the return trip. We can get to Mars, we can land on Mars... but landing on Mars with something that would allow you to subsequently take off again and come back home... THAT is the real challenge.
Damn you Register
Damn YOU! For leading me to an article with a nice picture and removing the picture once I get there!!!!!
The answer to the question at the end of the title of this article simply resides in the very first word of said title...
Re: Unsurprising really..
What people don't seem to understand is that Elop is NOT Nokia's CEO... he never was, never will be, was never supposed to be.
Ballmer is Nokia's CEO. Elop is Microsoft's VP of the Nokia Division.
I'm not a baby boomer.
I've been reading e-books since 2001 (on a Palm-pilot back then)
And it never occurred to me to use anything other than a tablet of smart-phone to read ebooks.
Buying a single purpose device is such a waste...
Something about "hoisted" and "petards" come to mind...