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Windows 8 on Phones is so Sucky....
They can't even get the BSOD right.
This will change things
Affordable nanotube threads! I remember when buckyballs were discovered and I thought they would change the future somehow. They didn't but along come nanotubes and, even more exciting - graphine - and revolutions are inevitable. Goes to show going from 0 to 1 to 2 dimensions makes things more useful. 3D already exists of course :)
Tablets to Laptops
The Android invasion of the desktop has begun!
About bloody time.
@James O'Shea - That's funny :)
Re: Eadon's Tough New Security Plan
As usual, the Register commenters seem to be confusing trojans, which are caused by human error - which can be mitigated by training - with viruses. A virus propagates without human intervention. Only Windows systems suffers from viruses. That's why virus scanners can for windows viruses.
Ever noticed how bot-nets comprise windows machines? How all remote exploits are windows exploits, with very very few exceptions?
I hope that you will now understand why Windows is more insecure. There are many other reasons why Windows is more insecure - it's attach surface is huge for one. But I wouldn't want to overburden you with too much computer science.
Also, BTW, not all security holes are equal. One critical vuln can be infinitely worse than a thousand non-critical vulns.
It's OK, you do not have an engineering training, and have been attending too many Microsoft training courses to be healthy, so it's not your fault you seem to fail to understand computer security at even rather fundamental levels
space stations waste money compared to..
planetary exploration. Let's explore planets more! Send a hot air balloon type craft to Titan! Orbiters to the outer gas giants etc etc.
another reason to use a non-MS operating system
... that is open source and relatively much more secure. Anyone using windows is at much risk relative to non windows systems. (because windows is bloated, has a large API (official and unofficial) attack surface, is badly coded, executes code by default, (or due to file extensions hiding tricking people to do it), is closed source so no one can verify it except MS and so on.
Yes you can get trojans onto other operating systems, but trojans are much easier to defend against, you train the users.
Matter of time before everyone is forced to wear these at airports, then at shopping centres etc. Unless people protest!
Hadoop is a solution that MS cannot provide, though I understand they are attempting to copy it. Linux can provide this, Microsoft cannot. Now, I never said everyone needs it but it's an iconic example about how open source solutions are excellent, and these are available on Linux but not (generally speaking) on Windows.
You might not think you need Hadoop, but you never know! A killer app that needs it might turn up tomorrow. Linux gives you that advantage.
Interoperability - you are arguing that Azure is apt for a customer who only uses Microsoft solutions. I would agree. But let me point out that the world is moving away from Microsoft and towards open systems in the data centre. Even on the desktop Execs wouldn't be seen dead with a windows laptop, they want their Apple gimcracks. Therefore the days where computing was Microsoft-only have pretty much come to an end.
Having a non-Microsoft cloud solution would be a good way to be able to escape Microsoft if you had to one day. Those enterprise licences are shooting up fast...
Powershell - I'm not an expert in Powershell but engineers who are expert at both see Powershell as not being as flexible or as powerful as bash. Certainly bash is open, whereas powershell is closed. One day MS might kill it, like they killed VB and Silverlight. With bash, your skills will always be relevant into the distant future.
As for getting things done with Windows deployments, often have I heard it said that one admin can run about 60 unix boxes easily with bash shell scripting, whereas windows boxes forever require hand-holding and you need at least twice as many windows boxes to do the same work. And that is consistent with my own experiences of windows servers and linux servers.
"Extensive support of Microsoft"? Two things. First, you get through to an Indian in Bangalor. Secondly Microsoft systems need ten times more support than non-microsoft systems, which are generally reliable.
If you're saying, let's use Microsoft's cloud because we already use windows server 2003 (or whatever) then MS is screwing you with your pants on, and you do not even know it. It's called Lock-In.
Now there may be niche's that arguably can use MS Cloud, but for any serious project, I would argue that "support" is not a good reason to go with an inferior solution. You are paying for that support one way or another, nothing is free.
Re: FYI Apple runs its Clouds on Unix
@AC - can't you trolls use handles?
No mention of Azure. There was a rumour knocking around 18 months ago, which is what you link to, about Amazon and Azure, but I can see no reference that proves the rumour true. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I very much doubt Apple use Azure for serious cloud infrastructure.
windows 8 came out, sales fell 26%
The market has spoken.
The OEM's must be asking why Apple and Android tablets are selling so well. Is it because they are useful, or is it because they are Microsoft-free?
Microsoft Cloud == Lock-In
Windows / Azure locks you into the Microsoft products, that can get extremely pricy extremely quickly.
Furthermore, MS are ramping up the costs of those enterprise licences to compensate for its failing desktop and mobile strategies.
Alternatively - If you go with Open Stack, you avoid vendor lock-in.
Re: Windows is the wrong tool for the job
"You don't debate, you shout what you believe and accuse anyone who doesn't believe you of being a shill." says AC 17.15 seemingly unaware of the irony.
Ironically, Windows 8 has taken us back to the days of win 3.1. Sorry, make that Win 2.0.
Re: Windows is the wrong tool for the job
It is not a bias. It's not biased to point out that one solution is more appropriate than another, because I have given a detailed explanation as to why the argument I make is valid.
You guys that deny what I say is true are unable to repudiate my engineering and commercial reasons. You lack knowledge of architecture. Therefore all you can do is make PHB-level arguments.
If someone wants to debate me, they had better come out with some strong engineering principles that might have a chance of contradicting my assertion that Windows is not fit to be a serious cloud.
@AC congratulations you have many WTF's per sentence in your argument, it's all over the place.
I think you'll find that Apple use Unix based systems for the serious cloud stuff. (OSX is certified UNIX incidentally).
The quality of the comments on El Reg is just appalling.
Before the usual AC trolls come out calling me a fanboi or whatever, it might be worth pointing out that all the series players - Amazon, IBM, Google, FB, Twitter and so on, they all use Linux / open source solutions. None of them use Windows / Azure, which is basically 5 years behind AWS and Google, and has a much higher TCO.
If you say I am wrong, you are also saying that IBM, Google, Amazon etc etc. are wrong. Your argument is not based on engineering or commercial common sense.
Windows is the wrong tool for the job
A professional solution architect that knows what he is doing will use a Linux / hadoop / Open stack architecture.
No licence fees, open source, well supported, scalable, fast, runs on different architectures, is robust, secure, with no licence issues for CPUs/cores/VMs. Also it has a lot of open source tools and frameworks and libraries.
Plus Unix/Linuxhas a proper shell and maintenance tools, it's not a toy operating system as Windows is with its back slashes and so called "power shell", which is pretty useless from a professional perspective.
Long live the rebellious! These morons in power drove a kid to his death over *copyright*! They treated him like a dog - nay - worse.
Copyright law needs to be toned right down, it's got completely out of proportion, and its criminalising those that believe that humanity should share, not lock down knowledge.
Love it when an evil corporation gets due desserts! They decided to screw their customers so their customers left.
The same happened to Microsoft - when an alternative platform came along - Apple, Linux on servers, then Android on mobiles, the long suffering Microsoft customers left. THAT is why MS refuse to let OEM's install non-MS systems on desktops.
It's the perfect illustration of why competition is important.
Apple coasted too long
Apple created something superb but then they locked it down too much, so that when something more open came along, Android, people drifted towards that.
Yes, Android makes less on its App Store but in the end it stick makes a bomb.
Apple need to re-invent its stuff and it needs to do so fast. Now Jobs is iDead, Apple have no reality distortion field to shift their gear. And the Maps fiasco was damaging because it looks like Apple are not able to be the best.
Microsoft's vision -locked down computing
Where you will not be permitted to install anything but Windows - with permission from MS via "Activation". It's an Orwellian vision of computers that can only be used with corporate operating systems.
"Trusted" computing means non-free computing. The computer will be something that in practice you will rent, and will be something you can only use in ways that the vendor permits. Ownership will cease in the sense we normally think of property, whereby we can do what we wish with it.
If MS took security seriously we wouldn't be seeing so many holes in their software in the first place. They put profits before security.
Roll on Flash memory
I'm with Torvalds on this, rotating storage is undesirable.
Goes to show, open source is superior to proprietary software, which suffers from such control by definition. With open source you can "fork" it to get control back, as LibreOffice did when Oracle were evil in their management of Open Office. There is usually no such option with proprietary packages.
Yet another Microsoft Security FAIL.
Not ready for the desktop.
Best to use Firefox and Chrome, at least they're 100% outside the kernel so even if they get compromised (which is far less likely to happen than with IE), it's a bit less dangerous.
Data needs protecting
No doubt about it, people are too naive and take convenience over privacy. I do it myself, despite my qualms. Where human nature fails we do need regulation, as corps will sell data at the drop of a hat.
Model for the UK
Our insidious politicians are copying china. For example they have a Quango that blocks whatever websites it wishes to unaccountably. And it even blocks the Pirate Bay because the MPAA/RIAA lobbyists told it to. This started under Labour the new new lot are no better.
You can use Closures wit the VM - it's just that Java does not yet support them. The reason is an engineering based one, supporting closures comes with a performance overhead. Groovy and Scala both have closures so maybe those are languages to consider for the JVM.
.NET has been officially killed by Microsoft
Microsoft have killed .NET. They're pushing devs to the latest shiny dev tools - HTML 5 (embraced and extended MS-only version) for Win 8. Thou shalt write for the app store.
In Microsoft there were two factions, C++ and .NET - the C++ faction won. Microsoft were always schizophrenic about .NET, which, after all, is a copy of Java / JVM. It evolved from J++.
Now .NET is dead, rest assured, Java will remain the number 1 language for enterprise apps.
Java doesn't really belong in a browser in applet form, I would agree. But you cannot beat the Java/Linux combination for secure, stable, robust scalable enterprise computing with best of class open source libraries, frameworks, app servers and tools.
And with the JVM JIT using dynamic optimisation (which C++ cannot do) then you also have speed, Java is very fast once the JVM is in memory.
Eadon's Tough New Security Plan
1) Replace MS Windows with Linux / Unix / Mac / Well, anything really. Hey presto, no viruses - no need for virus scanners which are shown to be practically useless.
2) Reduce outsourcing (which tends to have hidden security and other costs) to dodgy eastern countries .
The Microsoft Security Hole Cluster
It's the largest and most destructive structure in the known Universe.
The Microsoft Security Hole Cluster has black holes and back doors everywhere, with jets of spam and personal data emerging at the speed of light.
The latest discovery is the Windows 8 Death Star, which has just gone supernova, destroying the entire PC market galaxy along with it.
Quadrillions. About the same as bailing out the banks then.
Re: The bootnote was in my opinion the most interesting part of the article
@John Smith 19 "And yet in in 2013 what OS is running on most desktops in the world"
However, Microsoft's market share and their absolute sales plus licence fees per machine are all falling.
MS used to have over 90% of the browser share. Now MS has 29% of the browser share and it is *still* dropping. The same is happening to Microsoft's desktop share, it will erode away in the same way that IE share has eroded.
Before long, Microsoft will lose it's power to dictate to OEM's what they can and cannot install (via the losing discounts blackmail trick). Already the OEM's are no doubt negotiating tougher deals with MS, particularly as an OS licence costs about as much as it costs to make the hardware at wholesale cost, and the desktop market is shrinking.
This is compounded by pressure from mobile computer competition.
Re: Need a decent SDL
@AC You want Oracle to learn from Microsoft about security? Next you will be recommending learning about virtue and purity from a harlot.
15 million more androids
I wonder if they'll also extend Firefox to support all 300 Win Pho 7 phones out there too...
death spiral windows down drain
this is a massive blow to MS. the market has slammed MS Windows. a drop of such a high percent will hit the tiny margins madeby OEMs like Thor's hammer.
MS will be under huge pressure to reduce licence fees which will reduce cash flow.
once the cash cows fail then MS will shrink fast.
Re: Nokia sell in a quarter now what they used to sell in 2 weeks
@Dave W Thompson - Elop could have gone with Symbian, Maemo or Android and done far far better than he is now, selling a paltry number of Microsoft phones. Even today Symbian sells nearly as many phones as Windows despite Elop killing it!
And everyone says, they want a Nokia Android phone.
Re: Android didn't get to number one by people not standing it
@Dave W Thompson - you say, "become yet another Android vendor"
Well,now they're yet another Windows 8 vendor. Better to be a player in a market that has 75%+ of the customers than one that has only 0.5%.
That's a false dichotomy - they could do what Linux / Android do - release an open OS that is secure. In the end, you can't protect against all trojans unless you do lock down a computer, but Android and Linux have the balance right between locked down and freedom.
MS is just locking everything down because that's what Apple do, and Apple make $$$. They are definitely locking everything down to try to prevent Linux being installed on kit.
Re: Win 8 RT rooted
@AC mea culpa. Apologies to RICTO ;-)
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