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Re: What's fascinating about that is...- TIFKAM is an ad.
TIFKAM is in Windows 8 for 2 reasons -
1 to attempt to force the hoi poloi to like it, with the hope that they will start buying Win Phone 8.
2) to force people to use the MS App Store in Win 8.
MS has a monopoly of the desktop (it tells the OEMs what default OS to install) and it is foisting TIFKAM on Windows users as a strategy to sell MS branded Mobile kit.
Essentially TIFKAM is an ugsome advert for Win Pho 8. And you can only block this annoying ad using 3rd party utils.
Re: Evolution in action
@ I ain't Spartacus - not a bad idea at all, perhaps a UKIP version might be on the cards too.
Re: Windows Cash Cow on death row
@Michael Kean - that's actually a v good question. Obviously layers of cruft have been added to the kernel and surrounding levels. MS could start again from the 2000 code base, but then it would need to add in all the extra API's it has since introduced, add in support for new drivers and debug the whole thing. All of that would cost a fortune. Then MS would have to maintain two different code bases, like in the CE days.
MS are struggling because they have in Windows an essentially unmaintainable code base.
Re: Paging Maxwell! Mawell to the white courtesy phone!
The hot electrons are filtered out via thermodynamics.
Maxwell's demon attempts to circumvent the 2nd law of thermodynamics by using his free will to do the filtering, thus reducing entropy.
That was shown recently to be impossible because the demon would need to memorise the states of the particles, and that memory would increase entropy. Oh (max)well...
@Obviously - usability experts have reviewed TIKFAM and they have provided a verdict. It is confusing in two ways. Firstly it's inherently confusing. Secondly it comes with Windows 8 in which case the user is faced with two completley different UI's within the same OS.
But if you say there's nothing confusing about Metro, then I guess I should take your word for it and dismiss the opinion of the UX experts...
Re: Windows Cash Cow on death row
@Mikel "blame the victim" - aptly put, you nailed it.
Re: Windows Cash Cow on death row
@nordwards - I agree with some of the gist of your post, but I'd still opine that it's a betrayal by Microsoft. MS stole the designs of its partners and attempted to profit from them. MS promised not to put its own hardware into the retail channel, and it did. In Staples and other stores, MS is directly competing with its partners for the tiny Windows Tablet market.
The Google Chromebook Pixel (if I remember its name correctly) is more likely to inspire OEMs than the Surface. The Surface has not embarrassed Microsoft's partners. Everybody is laughing at the Surface, pointing out that it is a shockingly bad computer. Not a laptop. Not a tablet. And it sucks at being either. Topped off with a FUGLY OS.
MS have shown the partners how NOT to make computers.
Evolution in action
What we are seeing is the evolution of Android into a more-literal-than-usual-metaphoric ecosystem, rather like (in fact literally) Linux distros. Different Linux distros are suited to different users - embedded, supercomputer, desktop, mobile, bleeding edge, conservative (with a small c), secure and so on.
With android we'll see a similar process happening. This can be pretty healthy as it means that the best will survive. Google own the official version, so that there is fragmentation doesn't matter much, so long as an official compatible version exists.
With all these flavours of Android, new operating systems will find fewer available niches to squeeze into, so to win they will need to create something new and exciting.
"It's too foreign, it still requires too much computing knowledge for the average person"
bullshit - the 1990's wants its FUD back.
Android is Linux. ChromeOS is Linux. And as far as I can tell, the former is wildly popular, whilst the latter is giving MS nightmares already.
Linux Mint is more user friendly than Windows, if you can use Win 7 then the leap to Mint is easy, whereas moving to Windows 8 is a nightmare.
Re: Making Windows 8 look like Windows 7 isn't a climbdown?
Even with Jobs around, Apple's iThingy's would gradually become less exciting over time. What Jobs did was make a new class of iThingy's just as the competition was copying the existing iThingy's.
E.g. when MS was full steam ahead with the Zune, Jobs released the iPhone and instantly made the Zune (even more) obsolete.
I wouldn't write off apple as their new generation of iThingy's will be wearable devices. That will be a new cycle now that the iPhone has matured.
Pint - it is fermented fruit (well, ok, grain).
"That Windows 8 Embedded is Windows 8 with some extra bits"
Linux embedded distro's are generally normal Linux with many features removed so that the OS runs on cheap, low-powered hardware. A well known example is Raspberry Pi.
But this quote indicates that Windows 8 "embedded" should be even more bloated than Windows 8. That may or may not be true, but when MS talks about "trends towards more generic hardware" it seems to be saying, Good luck getting Windows 8 embedded working on anything even remotely out of the ordinary.
As for an embedded system only being able to remove parts of the UI and not ALL of the UI, that's just weird. When MS talk about "embedded" I'm not sure that they're thinking about what most people think of as embedded.
The use cases they seem to be talking about are basically desktop like systems - kiosk systems that probably have a relatively large quantity of RAM and CPU and Graphics hardware. Let's face it, there's no chance MS would squeeze the fast old woman that is Windows 8 into a $50 Raspberry Pi like device.
WINDOWS 8 CRIPPLED METRO EMBEDDED FAIL!
Windows Cash Cow on death row
"It may be that Microsoft now believes its best chance of carving itself a significant slice of that pie will be for OEMs to market tablets that offer both a low price tag and the full power of Windows"
MS betrayed its partners by competing with them - releasing the Surface computers on it's own retail systems and then releasing the computers in generic shops.
So the OEMs were not pleased about that, and cancelled (or "delayed") their own Windows mobile tablets projects.
There are additional issues:
1) Windows too fat and power hungry to run on cheap hardware
2) Windows licences are too expensive.
3) The competition have a superior product at a lower price
4) the competitions products are more popular in the mobile space
MS cannot survive in a future where it sells licences for peanuts, if it did, it would face catastrophic losses. But there is not an alternative future that can sustain high licence prices, at least not on consumer kit. Ultimately this is because hardware has become cheap compared to windows licence prices. When the biggest item on the BOM is Windows, then Linux/Android/ChromeOS look extremely tempting, especially when they run faster and last much longer between charges.
Finally, the public abhor metro. So the OEM's are facing a prospect of making products that the public have no appetite for. Worse, they know that they cannot trust MS. MS already copied their tech when it made the Surface, another betrayal they will not forget.
Re: Disk space
@DrXym, you mean Linux that runs on a Raspberry Pi?
Re: Disk space
It might also be worth pointing out Linux is the kernel of ChromeOS.
Re: At with a Chromebook Pixel you have the choice.
@mmeier the AC is correct, MS have made it extraordinarily difficult for 3rd party operating systems, such as Linux, to make a use-friendly installer.
MS could have worked with the Linux foundation and produced a solution that was fine for everyone but instead we have the worst possible solution, a real pain the ass. That is typical of MS's attitude, which is downright hostile to open source.
toodle pip and have a prosperous life resplendent with open source operating systems
We're seeing stagnation in the Desktop market but, hey, in the Mobile market, where MS does not rule with an iron fist, people are making money left, right and centre.
A huge problem with the desktop is not just that Windows 8 sucks, it's that the cost of the MS licence is large compared to the cost of the hardware itself. The only way OEM's can offset the costs on consumer machines is by installing crapware, which makes for a deeply unpleasant user experience. Now consumers are using Apple and Android mobile kit, they are seeing that computers don't have to suck! The customer is realising that computers without Windows are computers without pain.
So what does an OEM do? They are making money from mobile so their instinct is to take mobile operating systems and extend them to be dekstop operating systems. Hence ChromeOS. Soon it will dawn on them that ChromeOS and Android are Linux. And, hey, Linux Mint is already the best OS out there. It just needs someone who can fight off MS to market it. If Linux Mint was pre-installed on computers and marketed, in the same way that ChromeOS is marketed, then, hey presto - you will have a reinvigorated Desktop market with higher margins. (No OS licence to pay, and cheaper hardware suffices to run Linux FAST).
This actually already happened once, when netbooks first appeared, then MS reacted by strong-arming OEM's to install XP instead.
"And every time someone buys a Windows Phone, Eadon dies a little inside" - which probably explains why I feel absolutely fine, vivacious in fact.
The TRAITOR Miguel de Icaza
This guy has been called a traitor to open source, and this rings true to me. He was in bed with MS, and probably still is. He's the Grima Wormtongue of the IT world.
@Don Jefe FYI the Linux desktop is the most user friendly environment going right now if you know which windows managers are the user friendliest ones.
Linux Mint - if you can use win XP and Win 7 then you will LOVE Linux Mint. It's the same but better (multiple desktops for example).
Of course Ubuntu and Gnome 3 screwed up, but there you go. Fools! They could have cleaned up with Windows 8 coming out and alienating the windows plebians.
Also, Linux mint comes without crapware and doesn't need AV. It's secure, it's easy, it's runs fast and stays running fast years later. It's completely user friendly.
Re: Torvalds needs to get a grip
@Sir_bobbyuk and @Don Jefe - It's legitimate for Torvalds to point out the obvious, that makers of Windows PC's produce sucky hardware. (Which runs Windows, so I guess there's a symmetry there).
Torvalds is running the most successful operating system in history. You want him to do the OEM's jobs for them too?
Ironically, MS have been saying, officially, the same thing as Torvalds, that OEM's are failing to build good quality systems. MS have been blaming the poor sales of Windows 8 on the inability or unwillingness of OEM's to build sexy or high quality hardware.
I will leave it up to the reader's imagination whether I think that Windows 8 itself might contribute to poor sales of Windows 8 systems :-)
@Reading your e-mail -
"If you aren't going to listen to anyone else's point of view, but think that you are always right,"
What makes you assume that this is my modus operandi? There are people here I learn from. The guys that attack me do not attack my technical analysis, they attack me like you have, for perceived personal failings, i.e. ad hom attacks.
It so happens that my knowledge and erudition far exceeds that of my biggest critics here, but there are always geeks out there whose knowledge exceeds mine. I recognise them when I see them.
Re: Chromebook is doing what Surface was supposed to do...
@Don Jefe That "big long thing" called history tells us that the societies that have the most advanced technologies tend to amass the most power. Look at weaponry - axes to swords to catapults, trebuches, bows and arrows, cross bows, fire arms, cannons, machine guns, air craft, submarines, torpedos, missiles, nukes...
Technology is critical to history. And computers are driving technology.
Ultimately the safety of our security relies on technology, our utilities, food supply and communications depend on computers.
So, if you value food, water, shelter then know that without computers, modern society would not be able to supply those securely to our billions-heavy population and chaos would ensue. Things are no longer as simple as they were in feudal times.
Re: CAPS LOCK UPPERCASE
There's a bit of a difference between a professional document such as a CV and a comment on a semi-satirical website like the reg. Lighten up, dude :)
The main thing to realise is that my central argument is bullet proof.
@AC 9:59 - usually MS does not interoperate with external systems unless it absolutely has to.
I could do that, be more anonymous, but then I am no better than the pro-[corporation] shills. That I get voted down here does not surprise me. The ad hom attacks against me, as anyone with a brain can see, are without intellectual or scholarly merit.
Essentially I'm a practical libertian. I am in favour of freedom, and it just so happens that freedom (open-source, open standards, open formats) benefits industry as a whole. The conflict arises in that individual corporations prefer to keep things closed to lock in customers (which is a non-capitalist system, whereby they stop competing on merit).
If one has to be anonymous to stand up for freedom, then we are no more virtuous as a nation than China or North Korea or a Taliban nation.
The reason I am not popular here is that I know exactly what I am talking about from a technical POV, I know my onions. So the attacks on me are not on my analysis but on me personally. This is not uncommon when someone goes against the group-think.
Re: Chromebook is doing what Surface was supposed to do...
"THEY ARE JUST FUCKING COMPUTERS; THEY AREN'T THAT IMPORTANT!"
This isn't about Linux vs Windows, it's about Apple vs Google vs Linux vs MS. Each platform has different strengths and weaknesses and each one allows or denies different levels of freedom. This is what my posts are about.
MS limits freedom with patent attacks on free open source software and now a 3rd party operating system-hostile compulsory-by-default UEFI secure boot. Apple limits freedoms to distribute software on its mobile systems but hasn't locked out Linux on its desktop hardware (yet).
Then there's Google who offer freedom in exchange for your privacy.
Finally there is Linux/open source, who give you freedoms. The battle we are seeing is fascinating. For the first time in 15 years we are seeing the dominance of one vendor being challenged. to say,
"THEY ARE JUST FUCKING COMPUTERS; THEY AREN'T THAT IMPORTANT!"
is missing the point entirely. It's like characterising Napoloen's attempted invasion of Russia or WW2 as "they're all f**** wars, they aren't that important.
Yes they ARE important. Computers are extremely important.
When you need high performance....
The data professionals choose Linux. This box is another example of this. Furthermore, it's another example of how the TCO of linux is better.
We better get used to Exa being the new "Mega" and "Giga". It seems like "Peta" doesn't sound quite as cool. It sounds like a bunch of ugly, anorexic models that eschew fur.
Increase your RAM using the HARD DISK!
It's the 90's all over again!
Why are new computers often still stuck on 4 gig of RAM? Is it just me or is Moores law of memory quantities installed in PC's far too flat?
It's not just Windows 8 that's killing the deskstop market.
Curious that a social networking site is leading the way.
"Developers working with Android 2.2 and above can now plug straight into Ballmer's big blue cloud"
Assuming that this "cloud" hasn't crashed (again). Better check those certs again, MS!
That MS are now "supporting" Android shows that Android has reached the "Then you win" stage. Would love to have been a fly on the wall of the board when they gave the nod for that! MS needs Android more than Android needs MS, that's for certain. This shows how much the balance of power has shifted towards its nemesis, Google.
Chromebook is doing what Surface was supposed to do...
Wasn't Microsoft's Surface supposed to be a wake-up call to PC manufacturers.
Instead we have the Chromebook appear. Torvalds endorses it - he does not endorse ChromeOS, quite the opposite, but he endorses the Chromebook.
It is difficult to calculate how much this is worth to Google in terms of free advertising. Torvalds prefers the google machine over the surface machine. Yes, I know that Surface is not the same, it's more like a tablet, but not quite a tablet kind of scenario. But that's not the angle I am talking about, it's about flagship products.
MS releases Surface in a blitz of marketing. The media are polite about it, even nice about it in the pro-MS press. But the world cruelly ignores it.
Google releases Chromebook Pixel with much less fanfare. And wham, the greatest active operating system guru endorses it.
The Surface has had no effect on manufacturers except to prove that Windows sucks on tablets / mobile. Whereas the Chromebook will, do doubt, generate a race to create something similar by the usual MS OEM's. When I say, MS OEM's, these guys will be keeping a close eye on the ChromeOS market, you can be sure of that. OEM's are yearning to ditch Windows 8, which, let's face it, is a disaster of Vista-like proportions and is about as popular with people as a filovirus.
The PC makers have displeased Torvalds. Torvalds has pointed out that PC makers are making rubbish, both in terms of hardware and pre-installed software. Torvalds is right. It's 2013 and laptops have not evolved due to the deadening MS monopoly.
WINDOWS LAPTOP FAIL
Re: And the "Standard Model" is?
"and it may well be that you end up with something close to the 25 free parameters of the SM."
- so you admit that SUSY is worse than the SM.
SUSY models that solved the heirarchy problem in a way that did not need huge fine tuning in turn have been ruled out by the LEP / LHC. What you are left with is split-supersymmetry, and that basically abandons the heirarchy problem and now SUSY enthusiasts are arguing for SUSY based on anthropic grounds - which is the hallmark of a bankrupt model.
There will always be SUSY fans who will be creating new models that just evade experiment, and history shows that there always has been. When experiment kills their models, they make new models predicting new particles just above the capability of detectors to see them.
Those models are bullshit. SUSY might exist at the Planck scale, but as for Susy solving dark matter and hierarchical problems, it has been tested and it has failed.
Re: And the "Standard Model" is?
@Ben 38 - but the LEP and LHC has ruled out those SUSY models that were not a) ridiculously convoluted and b) didn't need huge fine tuning themselves.
So the big motivation for SUSY is dead.
MS is squeezing the enterprise and channel
Because they CAN.
"This is another classic case of Microsoft moving the goal posts"
Moving the goal posts? No, it's a case of a boa constrictor tightening its coils around it's prey. CALS up 15% last year, licences up between 8 and 400%.
Huge swaiths of the IT industry has made itself dependent on MS and now MS is in an extremely strong position in being able to milk those partnerships. The partners are too locked in to escape.
MS knows the game is up, their bubble has to burst. So what it is doing now is maintaining the bubble for as long as it can. Profits from Office and Windows are falling, and other areas are making increasing losses. The ONLY way MS can keep pulling in huge profits is to screw over the Channel / Enterprise. Once it has screwed them over, eventually the game is up. But until then, Microsoft can make money and it will make money.
I do hope that these channel partners and governments and enterprises built this inevitability into their TCO analysis of choosing Microsoft "solutions".
MS PARTNERS EPIC FAIL
Windows 8 ", it’s certainly not boring" - and that's an immediate FAIL right there. An OS is essentially a set of drivers with a UI that should get out of your way ASAP. People don't visit a search engine to admire the web page. People don't use an OS to admire the "tiles" or whatever craziness is being foisted on us lately.
I like Linux Mint as it has boring UI's for it, but those UI's are also stylish and, well, a pleasure to use. I tried Gnome 3 and - quelle horreur. It's not just MS that has the "let's reinvent something that works fine" disease.
In any case, every time I see screenshots of Windows 8 - I think, Toy. I'm not buying one of *those*!
Then there is the ultrabook sector, this sector has largely failed anyway.
Re: And the "Standard Model" is?
@Mallorn, "LEP came nowhere close to ruling out even the minimal Supersymmetric model (MSSM)."
When LEP found no SUSY physicists were already casting doubt on the existence of SUSY. The SUSY researchers had made bucket loads of predictions of SUSY particles showing up at LEP and LEP showed these predictions were false. Before the LHC was running, people were saying that SUSY must be hiding herself extremely efficiently, or we would have seen her by now. That was *before* LHC.
The same SUSY researchers then made a plethora of predictions about LHC seeing various SUSY particles. And those too failed to show up. The LHC finished the job that was mostly achieved by the LEP. LEP ruled out the simplest models. LHC is ruling out the more complicated LHC models.
Reread my post, I didn't say LEP killed SUSY. I didn't say LHC killed SUSY beyond all possible doubt, there is still some parameter space left, but the SUSY parameter space is massive. The problem facing SUSY though, is that it can no longer plausibly explain the socalled Heirarchy problem. So now SUSY researchers are reduced to finding ever more finely-tuned models to cook the books. The remaining SUSY models that survive don't solve the problems SUSY was supposed to solve - the fine tuning problems, those kinds of problems.
SUSY is dead in the view of most serious physicists. But a few cling on to hope beyond hope, i.e. some kind of "split" supersymmetry model might be on the money. But it's desperate stuff. Natural SUSY models RIP!
What people forget is that SUSY makes the SM worse anyway, by introducing a 100 extra parameters that can have arbitrary values. The SM has about 18, I think.
As for searching for what is not there, it has been argued that too much effort is being spent on this wild goose chase :-) But it's worth searching as long as it doesn't prevent better use of experimenters time looking for more promising physics.
Re: Beauty returns to quantum physics
@Len Goddard - but who wants to dwell in a topless world??
I hope that all CLUELESS f******* polticians out there
who are trying to censor the PB (at the bribings - sorry lobbyings - of the RIAA, MPAA etc) are not dumb enough NOT see the IRONY in this.
POLITICIANS EPIC FAIL
I left Ubuntu...
In favour of the superior Linux Mint before Ubuntu switched to Unity.
Linux mint listens to its users. Umbongo ignores them.
At the danger of appearing modest, Eadon deigns to point out that he is brilliant at predicting the future, uncanny really.
They'll be taxing death next...
Microsoft begs devs
"Microsoft really wants developers to build apps"
Perhaps if MS didnt go around suing Android manufacturers and getting a patent tax on each unit sold (costs passed directly onto we Android users. Devs prefer Android as a rule.) Maybe if MS didn't stack the ISO standards body to win its OOXML bs standard battle, if they didn't call Linux a cancer and attack open source at every opportunity with FUD, if MS didn't fund SCO 60 million to attack Linux users with charges of $699 per install, if MS didn't threaten Linux with its patents, that it refuses to show, etc.
Perhaps if MS were not demanding secure boot to be swittched on, then making life very difficult for non-MS operating systems, such as Linux, by insisting that MS signing keys are used... Perhaps if MS were not trying to turn the PC into an appliance whereby all other operating systems are locked out (thereby copying Apple, only worse in some respects)... Maybe if MS were to stop playing dirty tricks in general (i.e. sending in Elop to force Nokia to stop developing a Linux-based OS and only make Windows phones, etc etc.)
Maybe if Microsoft were not so downright hostile to open source, and therefore developers, then developers might feel a bit happier to support them. It's called karma.
MS KARMA FAIL
And the "Standard Model" is?
Journalists rarely explain what the Standard Model actually is, probably because they haven't the faintest :-)
Firstly, know that Quantum Mechanics is a generic system of weird physics that describes the minuscule, atomic/subatomic realm. The Standard Model (SM) can be thought of (very loosely speaking) as Quantum Mechanical formulae that describe the nature of subatomic particles and the forces between them. Gravity doesn't fit into the SM, and there are some other loose ends. So physicists are really really keen to improve it. Improving the Standard model is called Beyond Standard Model (BSM) physics.
There exists a BSM idea called Supersymmetry (SUSY) that was all the rage with physicists looking to plug some of the loop ends. A former CERN particle collider - the LEP stuck the knife SUSY. The LHC then killed her completely (though there are a few highly-implausible loopholes left to tidy up).
That's a triumph of experimental physics (as was finding the Higgs) but... if the LHC had seen SUSY then everyone would be having fun with that. Now, with this new D-Meson anomaly, we have something that is BSM. And anything BSM is desperately needed to give physicists more clues as to how nature works at a deeper level.
Re: Nasa is hamstrung by bureaucrasy
You're confusing good engineering with bureaucrasy. The reason the space shuttles exploded was due to bureaucracy getting in the way.
Nasa is hamstrung by bureaucrasy
No one can get anything done due to health-and-safety type red tape, and other horrific process. That kind of slowness is fairly typical of public sector-like organisations.
Nasa do one thing well - large budget un-manned spaceprobes. That's what they should stick to and leave the manned stuff to the new generation of private explorers, who are leaner and meaner.
As for cuts, why are they cutting the space agency when they can cut a few benefits here and there. There are enough smoking fatties on welfare, let them slim down a bit.
Re: Lock-in city
@Lusty - Lock-in is a TCO negative. If your data is in a binary proprietary blob on a proprietary server, you're doomed. Your TCO will go through the roof.
That's why you need your data in open formats, in open formats (not binary/blobs unless it's media).
If you have your data in this format, then it's relatively simple to switch service providers should the need happen. You are not locked in. If you are locked in then you risk TCO becoming extortionate, especially when the provider you are locked in to decides to squeeze. Their only duty is to make profits.
Here we go! Another over-engineered "solution" designed to lock in your systems and data to a vendor.
Keep things simple. Stick to scalable Linux systems running on generic open source software. You will have a packet. OK it's not always possible, due to existing lock-in, but, if it is not possible, ask yourself why?
Then examine what the cost-benefit of that non-interoperable system is, and if it can be replaced by an open system.
If you switch from proprietary lock-in to open, then that will save you a fortune over time. If one vendor goes tits up (e2e style) or ups their prices (MS style) then you can switch to a different vendor. Yes, you still pay for support, but you are no longer locked in.
That is simply critical to controlling risk and forecasting your business model and IT overheads over 5 years or more.
I remember programming a Bing maps app into a website once. Google maps was deemed relatively expensive, so second-best was chosen. The DRM was a bit of a nuisance.
Times, they be a-changing. Here is a nice open source maps solution for websites solution. http://openlayers.org
Re: Google is now occupying a stupidity niche
@Phoenix50 - perhaps you're right, but they said the same thing about the iPhone. "Ha! Who would buy that? Six hundred dollars for a phone? It will never get more than 2% of the market" they cried.
There may be some google docs execs out there that want some kit that is not made by Apple or Microsoft. They want something classy and distinct from the herd.
In the case of the Surface it's difficult to identify the market segment that will buy that. Potential buyers would have to be rich to spend so much on an object such as the "Surface" when cheaper, faster, better alternatives exist. But the rich guys (exec-types) looking for something new long ago drifted to Apple and they are looking for something new to get away from Windows.
As I say, Google can satisfy the "looking for something different and cool" types. As a bonus, anyone even considering buying a Surface would also take a look at this Google beast. Google are creating further competition for the Surface, and also, for Ultrabooks. Much of this is The Art Of War corporate skirmishing.
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