41 posts • joined Tuesday 21st July 2009 11:12 GMT
So, in London
So, how exactly do you charge it? I assume ttat you have to plug it into a socket somewhere? We have on street parking, so does this mean that I need to have a socket installed on the curb by the council or have some kind of lead hanging out of the window which will doubtless get nicked in central London? They really didn't think this through...What if you don't have a garage!
Re: Samsung should give them all a free phone
Iol, are we talking about the same device in the samsung galaxy 3? I can barely make calls from it while at home without them dropping (on the same network I might add as my work iPhone 4S which does just fine) and the battery life is a pale shadow of the apple device even with battery 2x installed with conservative settings. I lastly, very much doubt that Android supports blind users as much as iOs does (accessibility is one of Apple's traditional strengths) since the Play Store makes it hard to find things even when you know what you're looking for.
Re: What irks me...
I think it has always worked in their favour when people are talking about them constantly and giving them free publicity. I'm glad people have stopped ogling the Samsung Galaxy 3. Throughout the Olympics, I nearly became hoarse watching the David Beckham ads screaming "I've got one and they're shite!!!" at the telly.
Re: More caution...
I'm not sure why I'm saying this, but you need to give Apple more credit here. The IPhone 5 beats all other phones on the market in all the benchmarks that I've seen check out anandtech.com), is more than twice as fast as the 4S (which is itself no slouch) has a larger screen and therefore a different chassis which is thinner and lighter than the previous generation while delivering more battery life. What exactly were you expecting?
If you believe paper specs reflect the way the devices run across different platforms you are sadly deluded. I've never had performance issues on any iPhone, but frequently have on Android because the software is bloated and badly optimised for the hardware these days. The primary feature of Jelly Bean is that it finally makes Android seem as smooth as the iPhone (it doesn't in real life, but some people will believe them) and other platforms still lack the true voice of apps available to iOS owners.
In short, I find your doubt misplaced and fully expect Apple to be able to sell as many as it can make in the run up to Christmas. Mine arrives Friday, and once people start seeing the device and feel how far improved the build quality is on something like the Samsung phone they will want it. I used to own the galaxy 3 and it felt much cheaper than it actually was, along with all the usual complaints for Android phones.
I'm clearly not the only one now thinking that the launch of Windows 8 will be the disaster that many thought it would be, the number of people on here saying "Ballmer/Microsoft are smoking crack" is quite high. Its the hardwate OEM's and PC industry I really feel sorry for as a great many people depend on Microsoft for Windows to be the draw that it is and MS are just gambling with their futures. They still seem to be living in a world where Windows leads the industry. Granted, Windows 7 was very good, but 8 needs all this kit just to be fully usable. Without it, it does kind of work but not as well as windows 7. On a desktop, my days are filled with the joy of trying to click the corner top right on screen 1 to shut down the computer only to scroll into the top-left corner of screen 2, or trying to avoid the many tablet optimised default apps which exist along with their desktop counterparts. That they are forcing this upon us all (even business) simply to make deva more likely to develop for the platform smacks of desperation. Why does Metro need to be on a server exactly? Most days I just boot into Mountain Lion because at least that integrates properly with all my other devices and I cloud etc. And it doesn't much about with the desktop in ways I can't just opt not to use.
Right, the Nexus 7 is going back to the store if there's a more affordable iPad coming with a decent array of apps. There is too much missing on the nexus and it can't use tablet apps. Hopefully Apple don't ship a device with a camera but no camera software installed either!
Definite day 1 purchase
I like the look of the new iPhone it looks well made, and hopefully the build quality, touch responsiveness, ergonomics and screen quality will be better than the SGS3 which it is replacing. Going back to iPhone, as I don't have the time to spend sorting out my phone so that it works as I wish using hacked together tools and would like to see what's new in iOS 6. If and when Google issue an improved Maps app, there won't be anything holding me to the SGS3 now there is turn by turn navigation built into the 5. Having tried Jelly Bean on my Nexus 7, Google seem to have a different definition of "Buttery Smoothness" than me as I *still* find scrolling down a web page in Chrome jerky as all hell. It's more like Frozen Margerine. The OS just looks really bargain basement compared to iOS with weird spacing and rubbish little icons, so for me iOS wins on looks with polished richly coloured larger icons and proper full-fat buttery smoothness. Even Google's app icons look better on iOS, bizarrely.
Well, Apple make nice looking devices which hold their value unlike the typical bargain basement pc equivalent but I digress. MS's big push to change the whole way of interacting with Windows is going to backfire spectacularly, I can safely say, having used 8 for a while. Business hates it, and end-users are baffled by it once they get over the pretty colours. One woman we tested with started crying because of her frustration that she just didn't know how to operate it and found it utterly intimidating. Needless to say we put Windows 7 back on her PC as fast as humanly possible. Do they honestly think that people use Windows because they like it?!? They use it because it is compatible and that is what they have learned to use or have been told to use. If you are going to learn a completely new user interface, It's much easier to learn OS X...which is at least consistent. On Windows 8 clicking on IE on the Start screen starts a different App to clicking IE on the desktop, and the same goes for control panel. For me it is unintuitive and annoying. For an end user, it might make them give up on MS altogether. Perhaps that is Steve Ballmer's unwritten objective.
I dual boot Win 8 RTM and Mountain Lion Hackinstosh, and I really have no love for Win8 at all. On dual screens it makes hitting the top right corner to go to control panel/shutdown stupidly difficult and fiddly without accidentally going onto the next screen. Every program which wants to install stuff vomits all its useless bits onto the start screen. If I have to use Windows, as soon as I boot up, I click on desktop and just use that where possible. I never ever use the start screen otherwise, it is just superfluous for most things and all the programs on it have a different look and feel to all their desktop equivalents, very confusing... Is it an improvement on Windows 7 for a normal desktop pc? Nope. Luckily, most of my windows dev work can be done through Virtual Environments, so it can happily be done under Mountain Lion. Problem sorted :) Perhaps on a Windows Tablet it might be good, but I already have iPads so probably won't be getting one.
I'm sorry but this is nonsense...
You and the BBC seem to feel the need to jump on the anti-Apple bandwagon over stupid reasons, but I'm probably going to get the 5 when it is out, having recently owned a Galaxy 3 and an HTC One X and gone back to the 4S after the wow factor died. Why? At the end of the day, beyond the razzmataz of large screens and a notionally superior OS, consistant ease of use and stability, battery life, plus choice of Apps and the ever-present environental lock in brought me back to the iPhone.
Take something as simple as Music. It's a right pain on Android. For the Galaxy 3, I tried Kies, DoubleTwist, iSyncr and a couple of others and none of them were reliable or fully featured alternatives to 'awful' iTunes. Some didnt work with ICS, others you had to pay for and some you had to buy the wifi sync functionality seperately, others still (I'm looking at you Kies) lock the phone during mass storage mode transfers so you can't answer calls or texts. Great. Once tracks are on the device, you have to unlock it to control music playback (no notification centre on lock screen for me on an Exchange server), no doubletapping of the flimsy home button to bring up a music player. My headphone remote, doesn't work with triple tap to go back a track, it's just an exercise in making life much harder than it needs to be. I googled for weeks, went on forums, assuming i'd missed something obvious, but there is no easy way to do it assuming you aren't just dragging and dropping a small number of tracks and a playlist into one folder (as in, what we used to do back in the year 2000)
Every other person I know who purchased a SGS3 I've asked about the subject has sort of given me a strange knowing look and admitted that they had to ask more technical friends for assistance in doing the same task and eventually resorted to carrying an iPod (or even in one case their old iPhone) around as well for music playback. Many found it mind boggling that I as an IT person (SharePoint Admin and developer) couldn't work out how to do it. I could work out how to reflash the rom on the phone fine, but when it came to music I had to admit defeat, and the phone went to Gumtree heaven never to be seen again. My point is that yes it is supremely customisable, but if it still doesn't do what you want, what then? Fork Android and develop your own version?!? Possibly, but not everyody has that sort of time...The Galaxy 3 is full of gimmicks that nobody will ever use or flat out just don't work reliably like the motion controls, Photoshare, Smart stay, S Assist, and I could go on. The build quality likewise disappoints (HTC better on this front, as it their screen)
In short, it's easy to take the iPhone for granted, but I will be sticking with what works thanks.
Typical Androider. Looks down his nose at anybody that doesn't know (or want to ) root their phone and install a Cyanogen mod just so that you can install your latest OS updates. Don't know how to do it? Well, you must just be thick and have no business using the device. You can see why Apple have been so successful with the arrogant likes of him about.
Woah, clearly alot of people that don't read the news here
The last time I checked, Angry birds had been downloaded 400 million times, the majority on iOS. This makes it the most downloaded game of all time. Possibly the most played. Think about that. Nintendo might have had the democratisation of gaming in mind with the Wii, but the iPhone/iTouch/AppStore made it truly possible for the world and his dog to become game developers, taking care of the dev environment, marketing and accounting necessary to become a developer, selling in low cost/ large volumes. This has not been seen before, and whilst it has now come to threaten the conventional games industry, you need to be able to see the way it is heading in. Being elitist and saying that a flash game is not a game is a bit thick really, it's whatever people want to play.
The time to scoff at Steve Jobs and Zuckerberg's was when facebook gaming and the App store was announced and untested. Now that both are cleaning up and are now the mainstream way that people play games (whether that's a good thing or a bad thing i'll leave upto you to decide) is not under discussion. As long as I can play FInal Fantasy 3 on my commute in the morning on my iPhone 4S I'm one very happy customer.
Agreed, this looks quite weak actually graphics-wise, and it's not exactly pocketable. Nice design but that's about it, plus you can bet your life it will be crappily built using plastic like all the other Samsungs.
The GPU and CPU's in this are dated, and won't be enough to power that screen properly. Not that there are any decent games on Android yet (everyone I see is playing puzzle games on their swanky G2 phones!) Nice curved design, but it doesn't begin to make up for the lack of quality apps which still afflicts Android, so I'll be getting a 4S thanks. Would be interested to see the battery life on this one also.
I assume he was referring to the state of play with cost, power drain and development of Flash Ram at the time (iDevices tend to use single chip solutions for storage) and certainly if my first iPod Touch had been twice the price and twice the size, that wouldn't have been a great user experience for me...
Its the apps
The super feature which sells iPads and iPhones has long been the Apps available, not the specs, I would say. The specs stability and backwards compatibility make developing the apps supremely more viable than the constantly changing standards on Android. Having taken a look at the Galaxy Nexus just now as well as the Samsung Tablets, whilst they are ok devices, with spectacular specs, they just don't have the apps I need to use on a day to day basis, not to mention the decent Exchange integration. Developers will focus on the iDevices for some time to come simply because they appear not to make much money off of the Android app markets by comparison.
Sure, but the biggest thing wrong with the Galaxy S2 is that it doesn't run iOS. This on its own justifies the price of the iPhone IMO. I had a Galaxy S2 for 4 weeks as a break from my iPhone4, but couldn't get on with it and 'downgraded' (in your eyes) to an iPhone4S which is absolutely spectacular by comparison. The interface seems a lot snappier which is odd considering that on paper the Galaxy S2 should be faster than an iPhone4 with its dual cores. However, the interface is choppy and jerky, and overall just doesn't seem as polished. Likewise the build quality of a Galaxy S2 is shockingly flimsy compared to an Apple device, and the screen is worse (perhaps brighter and bigger, but text looks much worse as the pixels are too big. Most of all, I was disappointed to find that the apps which I use constantly had few if any equivalent on the Android and rarely did it feel joined up enough to complete an entire workflow. Most big name apps are just missing! The whole thing reminded me more than a bit of Windows mobile. Perhaps it could have been rooted or modded to work properly, but I don't have the time to be faffing around with that. Therefore, I have tried the alternatives, and feel I have chosen the right platform for now.
It's a cut out for the proximity sensor which cannot see through the white paint as well as it can through the darkened glass on the black model. This is what caused the 1 year shipping delay on the White iPhone4 btw. I think it makes it look a tad uglier, but still picked up a white 4S to play with and it is growing on me.
a bit dated
Ever heard of meta tagging and Search engines? This is the real reason why hierarchical storage of data is going the way of the Dodo. SInce we installed SharePoint, whilst there is a hierarchy, we can better find things using search and the aforementioned tagging, and people are all forced to organise themselves the way the organisation wants them to rather than in their own weird ways. This is definitely progress from people burying critical info in their my documents or in email IMO. As far Win8, I'll be waiting for SP2 aka Windows 9 before I look at it.
I pity MS battling to stay relevent here in the face of declining sales and influence on both business and consumer habits. People increasingly want environments where programs don't crash and which they can't break simply by deleting a system file. In short, they want iPads and iPhones, because they see themselves doing exactly what they used to do, be it email or browsing the web. The huge explosion of Apps is a reaction to £400 Office suites and £60 console games which are too complex for the majority of people to use, and whose system requirements are difficult to gauge against the Dell Studio POS you bought 2 years ago. Sadly, as goo as this might be when it eventually gets released, Business will laugh at the idea of rolling it out and consumers will be reminded of the bad old days of XP and Vista and BSOD and constant security threats.
I would say that this would work fine for apps designed for this interface. In terms of using legacy apps, this will be absolutely the worst idea. General users really do not need to know the difference between a CPU, RAM and GPU, and should be snadboxed so that they cannot break the system they are working in. This is why tablets and phones have replaced the pc for a great many people out there and users are clamouring to use iPad's and the like at work instead of their pc's (I see this every day and the ITP has been changed to allow personal iPads and iPhones on the network specifically hereand at the last company I worked for)
Well, that's you. Well done. The real question is: "It it more or less difficult than opening iTunes and clicking on update?" Expecting the general population to have a degree in CS (or even the interest) to be able to update their phone in this way when Apple has been making it look easy since 2007 is living in crazy land. These are probably the same people who couldn't understand why everybody else didn't love Symbian and Wimo. As HTC's recent problem around security have proven, the ability for everyone to update when a new threat is found is really critical, and something that Android currently doesn't possess barring those that bought Nexuses. With iOS5 looking particularly strong and filling in the features that have been missing like Delta, OTA upgrades, WiFi sync and notification centre, I can't see why you wouldn't go iOS if you didn't just want to tinker with your phone.
Actually, I choose to stay with the iOS system, because the OS updates happen on the day they are released, it runs iOS5 which is the most developed for OS and all my apps just work, without the need to root the device, which is more hassle these days than I'm willing to do. None of the phones in the article tempt me for these reasons, and you make no mention of battery life, Camera quality or screen pixel density, (not to mention the giant leap forward for AI, Siri) none of which the iPhone 4S have zero competition in. The A5 CPU in the 4S eats the competition for breakfast, which will probably change by the time the iPhone5 is released, but by then I'll be ready to upgrade. Whilst the iPhone 4S is an evolution of the iPhone 4, considering it is running twice as fast, with 7 times as fast graphics (and iOS actually has games which will make use of this last point, unlike Android) it's a pretty big upgrade.
The only Android phone I could consider is the Nexus S, but considering the relative power of the iPhone 4S compared to it coupled with the poor battery life and display and the fact that the NFC doesn't even work in the UK, I'll pass thanks. Out of all the phones you selected to review, only the Experia Arc holds a candle to the design of the iPhone4 (they seem to have thought about design at least) but it has some rubbish overlay interface and you can't even update it!!
Yes, but it's not connecting to a CDMA network when you step off the plane I assume like Sprint or Verizon? The iPhone will perform exactly as your Galaxy S2 will in that circumstance because you are using GSM networks.
Ah yes, I remember Samsung's Tab and their 10.1 debuted before the first iPad didn't it! Hmm actually no, it only came out a year after the iPad was released and actually created the tablet market you see today. Would Samsung have ever released a tablet form factor computer to any success without the iPad? I would say no. Nobody thought there would be a market for one before Apple's brilliant insight as MS had singularly failed to be able to for 10 years previously. It took everybody else a year at least to be in a position to actually create these clones, and it's not hard to see what their inspiration was. What short memories people have...
Agreed, I know of countless people who purchased iPhones for specific apps (like Grindr) many switching from Android because they didn't like the awful FB app lol Amazon are probably about the only company which could get away with forking Android. As someone else picked up above, you only need to look at how long it takes Android manufacturers to produce OS updates to see this won't work. Buying a handset is a bit of a crap shoot as to whether it even can be updated to any future version. Too often, manufacturers just release a new version of the handset and then orphan the old one. Makes Apple look very benevolent by comparison...
I hear you
Whilst I understand all your points, what you clearly need is either an iPhone a W7 phone or a Blackberry, not a Nokia N900, which was a peculiar case of a company as large as Nokia releasing a weird public beta project to sound out the reception it got from spotty comp sci. students and traditional IT workers. Most people understood this when it went on sale, you clearly didn't. I'm sure its great if you want to write your own Outlook client to use on it though. Using either that handset or the N97, you see what the mobile industry would have been like had the iPhone not come out when it did...and this is Nokia trying?!?
I doubt Nokia would listen to you then
Lol fair enough with your stable OS request (although why would Nokia actively offer one which wasn't?) but both those requirements are not the kind of feedback Nokia wants. It desperately needs to tie people to Nokias with proprietary formats, or their remaining loyal users will simply migrate en masse to iPhones and other smartphones taking their content with them.
Nokia has no 'leading edge innovations' which make it to market, not because they fail to consult the public, but because their interface is rubbish and people expect to be able to use all the phones features easily these days without needing to negotiate fiddly menus with too many options and many different ways of doing the same thing.
This 'survey' (more of a marketing gimmick, like a disclaimer for when the N8 fails to sell the numbers expected saying "but we gave you what you wanted?!?") is pure PR guff. There is already too much risk aversity within Nokia and a far too relaxed attitude to the competition they face since the iPhone hit in 2007 changing the mobile landscape. That was three years ago, and pretty much all Nokia has managed since, like the N97 and the other handsets presumably aimed at Comp Sci users and those with aperculiar loyalty to the company have been rushed, undertested running what seems like beta software when compared to their competitors. Most of the reviews of the Nokia N8 I have read might as well say the same thing (for the past 3 years) "Nice hardware, shame about the software"
I own several devices where you can hook them up with a cable to a TV to view images on the big screen. Have I ever done so in over 10 years? Not once...If I were to want to do that, I'd just access them through my internal network or bung a memory stick in the PS3/TV. Granted, not everyone has the latter options, but I can't imagine very many people doing this in the real world. Perhaps with HD Video on the iPhone 4 it might be worth it, but viewing it on an iPad is more convenient ultimately.
So...you expect us, many of whom own Iphone 4's, to believe that your wife's IP4 fell 3 inches onto carpet and the screen shattered? Whereas mine fell 5 ft onto a bathroom tiled floor and survived completely unscathed the day after I bought it. Therefore i'm willing to go on record here and say that you are a liar, and you're supposed experiential evidence is utter garbage. Gorilla glass does not shatter when it is dropped on carpet from 3 inches, how stupid do you think we are?
You hit the nail on the head
Lol I like your realism...you make a compelling argument against Android pads which really fall into a similar dilemna as windows and windows PCs, except at least with the latter you can just wipe them easily enough and install your own OS without rooting them. I expect Apple to carry on regardless whilst tittering at the utter inability of its competitors to compete with the iPad since it was released in erm...April 2010 almost 6 months ago.
Thus far no Windows competitors (none worth mentioning) and an array of chunky Apple homages from China all running an OS which Google has already declared is not designed to run on Tablet hardware and has threatened to ban from their version of the Appstore. Can't imagine why they aren't selling like hot cakes...lol. All the while Apple's pc oem competitors run around flailing their limbs trying to work out what to do in scenes reminiscent of when the iPhone was launched upon the cozy and in-bred mobile phone industry. Now every phone just copies the Apple model, but most of us still remember who was the original driver for this.
Until Google pulls a Nexus 1 and releases a 'reference' for the rest of the industry this will remain Apple's untouchable Golden Goose.
Whilst you and I might know who Archos are and you might even have purchased some of their products (I most certainly haven't as they are ugly, geek accessories, seemingly designed by the blind for those stylistically challenged folk and presumably people on benefits ), in the general public's view they were completely irrelevent and I would imagine this extends to most analysts. They might as well not have existed. Nobody cares about them and nobody cares about Windows Tablets anymore.
MS had the tech and the OEM's did precisely nothing to make them attractive in terms of cost, portability etc. over the course of many many years. They had their chance and they blew it. By stark contrast, Apple's entry has taken the world by storm selling out everywhere, and this is their first attempt. Give them some credit here, you petty little pedant. Their flair and skill was to take an item that most people couldn't even work out whether a market existed for it, packaging it and its features in a way which would sell to ordinary people. i.e. they knew what people wanted but which historically the PC industry has monumentally failed at providing: A user friendly, simple-to-use-without-an-IT-degree, portable computer with long battery life which is nearly impossible to crash/break without the worry of conventional viruses
This article contains a fair amount of shilling but nothing more than I would expect from financial analysts, regardless of any input or agenda from Apple. The hilarity is that you seem to think that people need to be paid to rave about the iPad/iPhone et al. The products speak for themselves, its amusing that still you and your kind do not understand this.
Bit of an exaggeration?
@Ramshackle: I'm a Flash and web developer but must confess that I have currently reduced or stopped using it, mainly because whenever I mention the gorgeous sites I've developed to people, they immediately get out their iPhones to have a look and cannot access it. This proved particularly embarassing with clients who took the line that if most people in the meeting cannot access the site on the leading mobile browser, then the site needs to change as that was somehow representative of their target audience. Frustrating to say the least...
If this was just one or two people I wouldn't think much of it, but I can't remember the last person I talked to that didn't have an iPhone these days (including me lol) Overall, I think this is having a very big effect on Flash developers (as to how much, this depends on whether you develop whole sites or just banners or just cartoons etc.) as everybody with an iPhone/iTouch/iPad is unable to access it, and those are pretty big numbers...especially if you look at the ad space hits from such devices.
From Poor-man's iPhones to Poor man's Blackberries
You've got to love HTC. After fighting Samsung, LG and the rest in conning people into buying something which looks vaguely like an iPhone but lacks the support, the features or the apps of the iPhone platform, they're now trying the same trick with Blackberries. Having owned numerous HTC phones before I owned a blackberry 8800 and numerous iPhones, HTC have little innovation, they copy. Badly. Their devices feel cheap and insubstantial often decently specced, but always always let down by ridiculously antiquated software. Even if you don't intend to install third party apps on the device and go back to the year 2000 in OS usability with windows Mobile, the HTC software is simply outdated.
That and you'll very rarely get updates if their current behaviour is like their previous, they aren't even up to the standard of Blackberry updates regularity, let alone approaching Apple. New week, new model is the way it is. Windows Mobile seems great on paper, until you try to use it. Tmakes you glad a certain company innovated, or we'd still be stuck using Wimo!
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