802 posts • joined Friday 11th May 2007 12:08 GMT
what permissions do they require?
Should be a standard part of any Android app review. I know I've started downloading Asphalt a few times only to be put off by the "Read phone state and identity", "Change wifi status" and "Full Internet Access" requirements....
>>Why on earth do I have to turn off my antivirus program (as advised on a MAC forum) in order to get the download to complete?<<
It's a mysteron isn't it? It's almost like the antivirus software is supposed to stop bits of your operating system being replaced....
Trumped the lot of you
All the music I listen to is scrobbled to last.fm where it's publicly available for all to see. I don't care what you think of my music taste, I listen to what I like.
You asked why people might ignore warnings, I suggested a number of reasons. Your reply to those reasons is to state that the messages are clear. That doesn't refute the fact that people will ignore them.
A better system would be to warn the user when the app attempts to use the permission ("Cool screensaver app is attempting to send an sms. Allow once, allow always, deny once, deny always?) This puts the user in control, but can be seen as a bit crap from a user experience point of view. Still, I'd rather be inconvenienced by dialogues than ripped off by scammers....
I believe criminals also find it more difficult to get their apps into apple's app store than into the Android store. But I might be wrong there, just never heard anyone moan about how long the android approval process is taking...
Because they don't understand the risks? Because the message is badly worded? Because they think the app is from someone they trust? Because all their friends have the app and they want it too? Those are just 4 off the top of my head. I agree than people are the weak link in the chain, but that's just the way consumers are. If your market place is full of malware and competing markets aren't then eventually you're going to lose customers...
I never ignore the security warnings
That's why I've had my android phone for 3 months and I've only downloaded 1 app. Every app I look at seems to want more permissions than it needs. So unless android authors start to reign in their requirements this problem is going to get worse as people either get conditioned to ignoring massive lists of permissions or just stop downloading apps.
Easy to ignore? Apparently not as you're in here commenting. You don't seem to have read the article, how about taking it one step further and not commenting either? Or read it and make a comment that has some relation to what's being said...
Music is music, if it sounds good and you feel good, then listen to it.
Nothing constructive to add, but felt it warranted repeating!
It's not as simple as that
Apparently. While punters are allowed to buy cards from foreign broadcasters for home use, there are copyright issues with public showing of the footage. The impression I got was that if Sky can get enough logos and other furniture on top of the image then the public showing will still be illegal. She's won the right for her punters to watch the footy cheaply at home. So a bit of an own goal, by the look of it...
At least that's what other news agencies are reporting...
not on my phone!
I want GPS without it insisting on telling google where I am....
so it's impossible to make an inefficient electric heater? There's no way one can be any more or less efficient for a given amount of electrical power where heaters are concerned? And there's no way to increase the distribution of any heat produced?
Or are you just trying to say that the inneficiency of the motor is trivial in this case?
People buying the device already knows the work conditions
no they don't. Some may, but the majority do not. You don't really believe that people research the ethics of every company they buy things from do you? If only....
I got a £10 payment card so I could buy some android apps and games, but everytime I see something I want I get to the install screen and it asks for permissions it doesn't seem to need. Consequently I've brought one app in the 2 months I've had the phone.
Why can't I buy and install the apps then deny permissions I don't want it to have at run time?
>>if I can afford an iPhone but am clever enough to buy Android, that means I have *less* money to spend<<
No, that's not what I said. I said that android was a cheaper option than iphone, which it is (the boy's san Francisco was a hundred quid) and that people with less money to spend on phones have less money to spend on apps.
Fanboi logic not like earth logic indeed....
downloading a free app isn't purchasing, so that's not really relevant. Typing in your credit card details, as opposed to not typing them in, is more effort. But yeah, the android purchase experience isn't hideous (if you like giving your credit card details out), but it's not the iTunes integrated experience. If I'm an apple fan and I have iTunes set up on my mac and my iPhone shares that account (which is probably the case for many iPhone users) then the experience on iPhone is better.
no, they're not. the San Francisco is a hundred and four quid on pay as you go with a £10 topup. Apple store sells unlocked iPhones for £428. You can get an iPhone for a lot cheaper but not without signing up to a hefty contract that bumps the cost up massively.
So it's you that has made a mistake, they are NOT all expensive, certainly not in relation to each other.
it's the sega 32x all over again
Nintendo, much as I love them, have totally lost the plot here. The reason the 3ds hasn't sold well isn't the lack of an extra analogue, or that it's not ugly enough, it's because there's bugger all to play on it! (especially if you already played ocarina to death). It needs a system seller and it needs it before xmas if this device is to avoid the fate of the virtual boy....
no different to any other app
one of the problems with Android is getting people to buy stuff. The purchasing experience just isn't as easy on android, especially as a lot of apple users have iTunes accounts that they can buy from in a single click. Also Android is often seen as the cheap option, for those who can't afford an iPhone. If you're too tight/poor/clever to buy an iPhone then you probably don't have as much cash to spend on apps.
So rather than "ha ha, look how stupid iPhone users are" this seems to be more a case of "Android users don't like to buy apps"....
the os on the zx81 was on a rom not a tape. You switch the zx81 on and the os loads pretty much instantly. Of course if you wanted to use it to do something other than code in basic you had to load from a tape, but the os (such as it was) was built in.
all those downvotes
your response seems to be "Yes, but, look over there, big corporation...."
This isn't a mac or a windows article, it's about security in the open source community. As you point out, anyone could infiltrate these open projects and corrupt them.
The bit where you lose me is where you claim it's easier to infiltrate a small corporate team than a big open one. Can you explain that? Surely getting to work on a project at MS or Apple is trickier than contributing to an open source project?
And as for calling other people smug, that's exactly how your post sounded to me...
...who would buy an iproduct with no apps? Apple advertising makes a big noise about the number of apps available and how versatile they make the devices. It's a bit naive to say that hardware sales are the only relevant thing here, the software makes the hardware attractive. An ipad with no apps is an hp touchpad.....
It's apples and oranges. The time between a vulnerability being discovered and patched isn't the same as the time between a server being exploited and that exploit spotted. So what's your point?
Still, thanks for the info about your password policy. A different pass phrase for root access? No shit! No wonder linux is so secure!!! I wonder if you can do that on windoze....
dick head indeed
the long game is the only way to beat apple in this market, and HP have appropriately sized pockets, so selling this machine at a loss would have been a perfectly sensible approach. It's what got microsoft into the console business quite successfuly. A touchpad is a perfectly good youtube playing, website surfing, email getting tablet.
As for "innocents who saw a tablet incompatible with android", get real. If it's not an iOS device then it's os is pretty irrelevant in this market. Most innocents don't care about android they care about facebook, email and youtubes. That on a tablet for <£100 is why these things are selling now.
the fact the post was up for twenty minutes
before he took it down indicates he's already had second thoughts.
However, the fact you think this is funny says a lot about your attitude to other people. It's tempting to draw comparisons between your lack of concern for others and the behaviour of the actual property smashing rioters.
I've not made a mistake. I've read your post multiple times but there's no convincing argument as to why Google should change, just a feeling of entitlement from you. All your "friends" are on google+ so feel you should be allowed on to. But all your friends are playing by google's rules, why do you feel you shouldn't have to?
You feel entitled to use this service and entitled to use a name that you decide on. You have a right to neither of those. Their service, their rules.
If you want to open a business to the public...
...you have to open it to *all* the public or *none* of the public.
This is nonsense. You can't force a business to trade with someone they don't want to. And this isn't even a business, this is people trying to use a free service then moaning about the ts&cs.
Have you never been refused service in a pub? I have, purely based on the barman not liking the look of me. It's his gaff, his rules.
Looks like the daily mail is right about people's sense of entitlement these days....
It's Google's service
so it's Google's rules. Don't like the rules then don't use the service.
Can't understand why people feel they have the right to get upset about this. They're not paying for the service and alternatives that allow whatever name you choose are available. So put up or shut up!
too tricky to catch real rioters?
What about all the people actually smashing stuff up, breaking windows so those less brave/stupid can steal? Those throwing bricks at the police and setting fire to cars? It's great that so many people have been arrested over the riots but sending someone to jail for stealing a bottle of water or receiving stolen shorts is bloody expensive and doesn't really get at the core trouble makers.
Likewise for these two buffoons, I don't have a problem with them getting jail terms but I'm more concerned that the people who incited riots that actually happened get sent down.
It's not about number of people arrested and sentenced, we need to make sure it's the people who were at the centre of this get punished. Seems that anyone who smashed but didn't grab has gotten away with it...
It has some terrible features. But it's also incredibly powerful and flexible. (I've been coding in it for the past year or so and it's very different to working with strongly typed languages, but that doesn't make it bad!)
Haven't you heard of Node.js?
it's windows all over again..
...all the various oem flavours of android lead to lots of weird bugginess as manufacturers try to stamp their own branding and user interfaces on devices. Microsoft have this problem with windows, though now it's nothing like as bad as when they started out.
Saying that, the boy has what's supposed to be a vanilla version of Android on his San Francisco and it's still pretty flakey. It can't maintain a wifi connection when idle, for example...
people with high IQs..
..often seem to have less common sense than us dullards. I'm not convinced this would bring better laws, just lots of incredibly clever ones with blatant faults that only the simple would spot...
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