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The license fees for Windows XP Embedded are usually based the number of devices and volume purchase agreements come into play. For just one or two your going to pay a mint, but for 1000's it drops significantly.
For something like an ATM or Mall Kiosk the hardware is just a normal PC and so is the desktop XP OS installed on it.
Re: Re : Ignore the doom-sayers! Windows 8 is great!
Why should they?
They have you by the important bits already. All they have to do is wait till your hardware dies or your business gets taken out by some worm/virus and you HAVE to upgrade to Windows 8, at their price.
Re: XP eveywhere
I worked in the embedded industry so I can tell you that, based on my knowledge gained from talking to people in my classes and at industry events, that ATMs are usually just a desktop OS running some cool peripherals, dito with the advertising displays.
XP Embedded licenses costs more than a desktop license, most manufacturers will not use it unless they have to. For big stationary devices desktop XP is fine, you only need the micro (LOL) kernel of XP Embedded for things like meter readers, car infotainment and other equipment where the hardware has to be small, durable and portable.
Re: Time to investigate the alternatives
"Just LOL. Windows sucks on the desktop - especially for small organisations where the required expert knowledge does not exist."
Once you have Linux configured it "just works", exactly like MS Windows. "Small organizations" usually don't have anyone who can do basic Windows configuration, never mind a full blown reinstall. Hells, at work I've had to do remotes and onsites at small businesses just to install printer drivers and plug the USB cable into the printer because no one there had a F'ng clue how to do it.
Based on my experience, 20+ years with MS and another 15+ with UNIX/Linux, the biggest problem the common SB user faces is getting the system plugged in and the printers/network/ect. installed and configured. Once that is done they don't give a rat's arse what OS they are using as long as it does what they need it to do.
The two biggest things holding Linux back is the lack of specialized apps like financial management packages/etc., and the misconception, perpetuated by comments like yours, that you have to be some kind of "Uber Geek" to even use Linux.
And as an aside; Linux is easier to install than Windows and has better driver support for hardware during the setup and best of all; no "activation" BS.
I though t the same thing.
Maybe someone forgot to put a "+" on some of the integers in the source code.
One thing is for sure, this thing could run down a human in a chase. Add some cannons and a cool paint job/body and you could have a Zaber Fang.
Once they get it running in the right direction of course.
Re: Software is not magic!!
WINE runs ONLY the software binaries of your application.
XP, and Windows in general, have a ton of non user application crap running in the background, shading on the mouse pointer, animated pull down menus, etc., that slow the OS down.
If you have a clean no frills base install of Linux (I use Debian) then WINE and your application get more CPU time and runs faster than it would otherwise..
Don't believe me? Go into "system settings" on ANY Windows system, find the "Performance" options and turn everything OFF. You will be amazed at how much faster your system has suddenly become, and if you turn off all the "helper apps" like the quicklaunchers it gets even better.
I once ran a boot time comparison once between my Athlon x2, 2.0Ghz, 2GB RAM laptop running 64bit Debian and my boss's Athlon x4, 3.5Ghz, 8GB RAM desktop running 64bit Win XP Pro,.
my laptop: power on the desktop, including login, 55 seconds.
Boss's system: power on to desktop, including login, 2 minutes 45 seconds.
When I first set up my Boss's system I booted it to a Debian based Linux live CD (Knoppix) for a hardware test. It was so freaking fast I couldn't believe it was the same system when I rebooted to Windows.
Just goes to show what the hardware can do if it is not wasting time getting the bells and whistles running.
Re: Facebook's world-class algorithms.
Most people are not smart enough to use something like Adblock, or even Flashblock, or NoScript. Clicking on an "Allow scripts from" listing to run the stuff you need from the server your connected to is just too hard for them.
I haven't seen an ad in ages, and Web pages load really fast, even with a slow connection on my own systems. When I look at the same pages on my work computer I am amazed at the amount of junk/useless animations on them. Glade I'm not the one paying for the bandwidth needed for that Flash animation trying to sell me some cloud service. Haven't had to deal with any virus infections in years as well.
Anybody else notice
The "Register your device with the NYPD's ..." line at the bottome of the leflet?
Re: "I had to resort to googling to find out how to turn off Windows 8"
Just curious; how does one hit "ctrl+alt+del" on a tablet?
Re: I wouldn't be surprised...
Nor would I.
I can think of several other people who tried to reveal information about risks/vulnerabilities involving very big companies/interests who either had "accidents" or just flat out vanished shortly before they were going to hand over the information they had to the public.
Anyone else remember Karen Silkwood?
If Jack's research is missing or "unavailable" I will be less likely to believe his death was from natural causes.
Re: Oh dear...
"No, they'll say 5 wrong arrests are a tiny price to pay for fighting terrorism, thinking of the children, etc."
Indeed they will
I forget who said it exactly, I think it was one of the USA's "Founding Fathers";
Better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent person unjustly deprived of their Liberty.
Re: A text editor would be more attractive than Microsoft Office
As one of my teachers once said
"vi, love it or hate it. It is part of every *nix distro and you WILL learn it"
unlike edlin and emacs.
Re: This is Texas
"Remember the Alamo"
Yeah, Texas LOST.
Re: Linux is everywhere
"the Sheik Zayed Al Nayan mosque runs on VXWorks,"
What the Hell does a mosque do that requires a Real Time OS (RTOS)?
I used to work for WindRiver, vxWorks is a great OS for embedded systems like the Mars rovers but I would think it was overkill for anything not requiring a deterministic hard RTOS, like a building.
I'm going to have to Google that place and find out whats up, thanks for calling to to my attention.
Re: Start Icon != Start Menu. This the problem.
"Try the Windows key on the keyboard you morons
Would be my response"
Ever notice how easy it is to tell when someone has never tried the OS they are trying to defend?
For those of you who have so far managed to avoid the Horror that is Windows 8;
Pressing the "Windows key" on a Win 8 system does NOT bring up a menu of applications/settings, it take you to the Metro screen. "Windows key" + "r" will open a run dialog. Goddess help you if you don't know the name of the actual executable exe file for your application.
and wasn't the whole point of Windows to make it so you didn't need a keyboard to start your applications.
"You can prevent this, there are lots of ways to do so."
Please, by all mean share the "lots of ways..." that you claim to know.
Or do you expect us to just Google it?
Mines the one with the high intensity IR emitters all over it and the matching cap.
I recall it being;
"The road to Hell is paved with Good intentions"
Re: All men have the right to Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness (this is not it!)
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-" Declaration of Independence
Please note that it says "among these" when referring to the unalienable Rights. "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" are just the examples of some of those rights. Many others, like the Right to speak your mind in public and to be secure in your papers against unreasonable searches are mentioned in the Constitution.
People seem to forget that the "Founding Fathers" wanted to get the point across that people have more Rights as individuals than just the ones they mentioned.
If we let them, the governments and big corporations will strip us of ALL those Rights if we let them.
Sooner or later the People will make a line in the sand and say "this is as far as it goes".
I just hope it will not be too late when it happens.
Re: I am not saying "if you have nothing to hide"....
"information is good."
But too much info is not. Can you say "Information overload".
Even if the cop is a speed reader it will take extra time to assimilate the info beyond "has out standing warrant". After a short time any benefits this app may have will be lost. The only thing the cops want to to know is "can I arrest/ticket this person", all the extra comments about how there are children present in the house or a 72 year old grandmother will get ignored.
Re: Nothing puts me off a film more
When I saw the previews I was like "Ooooo, looks cool", then I saw Freeman and thought "I want to see this movie".
Then I saw Cruise.
Oh well, there will be some other CGI extravaganza hitting the theaters this summer that will get some of my money.
Re: We are born, we live for a while, we die.
Looks like the mice have succeeded in averting suspicion.
Re: sad @ dogged...
Thanks for taking the hit and saving the rest of us.
I was pondering following the link when I read your comment.
Maybe he has you, but not me.
I said goodbye to MS crapware years ago. I have one old laptop with XP breading dust bunnies in the back of the closet just in case I ever need it but my primary laptop and desktops are FOSS all the way.
OK, not all of my software is FOSS. World of Goo and Minecraft may be closed source but they are both available on Linux, and companies that support Linux get my support..
Re: I'd shoot them if they did that to me.
It would be better to invoke Nullification. Nullification says that the Jury could not in "good conscious" find the defendant guilty and are invoking their Constitutionally granted authority to nullify the law, ignore the evidence and Judges instructions.
US Judges and Prosecutors HATE this clause and don't tell the Jury about it anymore. It used to be part of the instructions given to the Jury before deliberations.
Re: the issue disappears as you learn new ways of working
Not all of us will "carry on buying Microsoft". Only the sheep without the wit to do more than follow the herd.
Some of us will choose other options.
Debian + Trinity Desktop Environment is my choice.
I think the OP has the SR-71 confused with the YF-12. Easy to do since the have almost identical airframes, the SR-71 was a little longer and seated two. The biggest difference is that the YF-12 was made to be equipped with weapons to serve as an interceptor as well as straight recon.
Only three are confirmed to have been built.
I would also point out that the supposed excess of firearms in the USA has done nothing to stop the likes of the MPAA and RIAA from engaging in similar tactics.
Also, Canada has more guns per person than the USA, yet a far lower rate of gun related violence. The firearms aren't the issue, its the culture.
Re: Yep, NASA's getting sexy, alright.
and had a lovely glow afterwards.
Re: Well you are overlooking something
"I think you will find that most people DO want a laptop that works out of the box"
People don't care what OS their hardware comes with, They just want it to work the way they expect it to.
Any installed OS that is correctly installed and configured will meet over 85% of the general populations needs.
The rest buy the hardware to meet a need, graphic design, games, engineering, server, etc., etc., and will of course want an OS that will let them do that.
I have noticed that lately the legal system of most countries have less to do with "Justice" and are more about enforcing some political agenda.
Just look at whats happened to Dotcom, McKinnon and Alfred-Adekeye;
And I might be wrong but I seem to remember that the whole idea of extradition was to get people CHARGED with a crime back to where they can face trial. Using it to "ask a few questions" seems a little like using a RPG to swat a fly.
Re: Established processes?
It the Military.
they have a process on the books for how to take a piss.
I know ...
One thing Americans can do right every time on the first try.
Fuck things up.
Mines the one with the US passport in the pocket.
Re: F-22 and Annoxia / Hypoxia
Contrived Unsuitable Technical Names for Projects with the Acronym as Sole Target for the Effort.
aka CUTNPASTE naming.
Re: Isn't this configurable ?
Are you sure it works?
Or does it re-encode the data and hide it in the picture itself while sending a message to the MIBs that you are trying to hide your location/personal info?
Its a closed source app, you can't check the code to be sure.
Mines the one with the foil lining and matching hat.
Re: Reading Comprehension.
Is that going to be the same decade that actually brings us 10 years closer to commercial Fusion?
I'll believe in commercially viable synthetic hydrocarbons when they hit the market and cost less than "natural" petrol. Until then they go in the same stack with fusion, super capacitors, ultra fast charging batteries for electric cars and super efficiency solar cells. All of which have been 10 to 20 years off for the last 30+ years.
Re: What is the brand worth?
MS never Trademarked the "Windows" product name and IIRCC they almost lost claim to it back when they tried to sue Linspire over its use of the term windows to describe how it's desktop looked/worked. MS settled before the case made it to court, many legal experts expected the judge to declare "windows" a generic computing term, then everyone could make a "Windows" like desktop and advertise it as such.
If MS changed the name they would lose any claim to "Windows". Ballmer and friends may not be the sharpest but they are not that stupid.
Until then collectors will hunt them in the wild. Their known habitat may be in a protected area but that won't stop people desperate for a money.
Damn cute they are. In danger they will be.
Tux. Just because ...
No water, no food. Water that is safe to drink and irrigate fields with is becoming rare. And to all those who would point at the ice caps and say there is all the water we need, how do you get the water to where its needed? Pipelines? Who pays for them? Desalinization plants? They cost a bundle to build and operate, and you still need those pipelines to deliver the output to those in need.
The biggest and bloodiest wars of the 21st Century are going to be over water, with those that are ONLY over religion being a very close second.
Criminal Legal System. The rare trace of "Justice" it may contain is just a fluke.
I'm still wondering whether the Pope may have killed the investigations because anyone following the trail of child molesters in the Church would have ended up at his doorstep.
Wait a sec
The big engines make sense when you think about it.
The Eagles would lift off going straight up but then use the main engines to get into/change orbit
Getting off the ground is easy, getting into orbit is what takes all the power.
Dragon's Domain had to be THE scariest episode of the whole series.
Had more than one nightmare related to it back in the day.
The worst part was that it's victims seemed to snap out of the mind lock just before they got eaten.
Still get the creeps when I think about it.
( No icon because The Reg doesn't have one creepy enough. Thankfully)
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