186 posts • joined 3 Jul 2009
What a long strange trip it has been.
"Former Nokia CEO Stephen Elop, executive VP of the Microsoft Devices group....."
Shouldn't that be Former Microsoft executive who became Nokia CEO who sold Nokia to Microsoft to become the former Nokia CEO and now current Microsoft executive again? It really didn't take that long for Mr Elop to destroy Nokia and sell it to Microsoft so maybe the title should be 'What a short strange trip it has been.
he's not a crash dummy
what he's done with and at Ford over the years shows he's no dummy so why would he want to go to a company with a shrinking brand and a shrinking market when there is Google and all the interesting things they have been doing and succeeding at? Not a crash dummy.
new devs doing mobile, MS has no mobile presence sooooo
because they have no mobile presence and after billions spent attempting it Gates and the new guy figured out their strength/hammer is with MS Office. Nothing unseen here but will they do as they have always done and that is implement sub-par capabilities and delayed releases and updates on non-Windows platforms? We already see that even though the market share is Android, Microsoft targets Apple first with mobile MS Office support.
Also, they manipulated and controlled developers doing Windows apps such that it was very difficult to produce cross platform software thereby eliminating the competition by starving them of apps. Without the Windows OS and API/developer control, can they really keep growing by attempting to make MS Office a platform people can not do without while making it run on all platforms/OS's? Have they ever done this before and can they really be successful at it? Or is this the new Danger only much much bigger. I see Danger written all over the Nokia deal and wonder if it won't be the first domino to fall.
Re: beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?
and what was that famous line from Bill Gates? Let me remind you, it went something like this: "Does anyone remember Windows?". That was stated in a meeting where they were discussing all the great things Microsoft would do with the Java platform. Bill didn't like that one bit because he saw Java as a threat to their cash cow, Windows and everything they have on Windows.
Also remember that Bill Gates is involved in educating this new CEO on how to run Microsoft.
then it would appear they have been working on this version for a very long time if it's based on the previous generation design. LOL
You have to love how they mention 60% more runtime and 70% more runtime but don't specify what that runtime is supposed to be. This leads one to believe that once again the Windows based tablets are power hogs and require bulky and/or extra batteries. This reminds me of the old Compaq iPaq's which needed a huge battery pack stuck on it to use for a work shift.
what was the cause and are we mimicking it correctly?
I'd really like to know what caused that warming some 8000 years ago and if we are doing our best to copy it so we too can enjoy the results of such a warming.
How do people fall for these 'it was warm before so therefore what we're doing to the env now is fine" propaganda efforts? I was at the Natural History museum a few months back and heard a father of 2 your kids say loudly something like this, "See it was very warm back then. What machines and cars did they have then to make it so warm? There's no such thing as global warming." and he said it pretty obviously to let others hear. Unfortunately those kids couldn't pick their parents because he's so ignorant he doesn't even know it. Crazy.
Re: The issues is the future
but haven't the "money guys" also been asking about how Microsoft looks like a failure compared to Apple(iPhone)? I think with all the losses each quarter with Bing and the phone/tablet area the perception with the money people and public is that Microsoft is a big old crusty company with a great revenue stream from their 20 year old franchise, Windows, but with no ability to move beyond that.
I think the money guys will continue watching them quarter by quarter but with each passing quarter they look like a pure enterprise player. And you know, they did a complete reorganization around being a device company so how does that help keep things clear for anyone?
So with the consumer products failing(except XBox), internet failing(Bing) and consumer PC showing double digit shrinkage every quarter they don't look like a great investment. If they shed all that and stuck to the enterprise space they would show huge profits(+$2-$3 billion annually). There are lots of questions.
5 months for evidence erasure
He died July25,2013 which is over 5 month and they are just now releasing the info?
That just seems very very odd. And just exactly was he celebrating and why has no one mentioned why he'd be drinking like that on a Thursday or would that have been Wednesday? strange.
Re: return the firm to the golden days
yes but if the new CEO dumps all the business divisions and products which are costing the company 10s of billions annually( BING for one ) then they will get a big boost in profits short term. That will equate to a boost in stock prices as the naive suck it up while the smart ones start dumping it.
Re: we will get some
that would mean a whole lot of hardware reqs and software licenses and then all the support for those. With all that, why not just VirtualBox or VMware to run the version of Windows already on the hardware just to run those few apps. No extra hardware to pay for or support, minimal costs and might be able to save a wad on virus protection licenses given GNU/Linux would be the main OS on the systems. And doesn't VMWare have some kind of windowing mode so the Windows apps run on the desktop and not inside of a Windows Desktop VM(ie boot to the Windows desktop and then start the app)?
Re: "13 inch is as small as i would go"
Microsoft had to make a big 'to do' about the pro versions over the RT versions since the 'pro' versions are Intel based and will load and run apps already on the market( x86 based ). They could have disallowed all existing apps on any MS tablet but then they don't have many so they'd surely lose there. And all this stems from being so late to market with viable mobile OS( remember WinCE based Windows Mobile and Phone 7 ). They even massively harmed Nokia by selling them on Windows Phone 7 and then pulling the rug out with Windows Phone 8 a year or so later.
they are just too late to the party and marketing is reaching for any straw they can find. Their only possible way back is to spend 10s of billions and subsidize them to the point of shipping them in magazines.
Re: Imagine where they would have been today.
no kidding. They could have had phones running Android much quicker than it took to get Windows Phone going since it was late. And then that thing Elop said about going with Android and being just one of many.... well it sure looks like the only thing Nokia phones are pushing are their hardware specs. They are not pushing any great innovation that Windows Phone brings. Nope, it's the hardware so had they gone with Android they would have been in the market quicker and their hardware expertise would mean something. Instead they get people looking at the display and saying Windows makes phone software? Where are the iPhones and Android phones?
did you follow the link to the MagicCode page and see the FAQ? I wouldn't say they've got the native code problem solved.
Re: Aerial attack
might have been tested and found to shred the paper coupon inside the balloon.
gov testing portable Beableboard clusters
yes, a Beowolf cluster of Beagleboards but they used Boeing battery design and it caught fire. Ever hear the sound of melting plastic straws falling through the air? Seem the witness hadn't.
really? Nobody saw the iPad coming? Netbooks HELLO!
Netbooks because when they were a hit they were a lower performance, portable and functional small laptop yet with long battery life and people loved them for what they could and did do. It wasn't until Microsoft purchased up the netbook vendors mindshare and sunk the platform with a bloated OS requiring more performance, more hardware, less battery life and less usefulness. So the iPad was a hit because it worked as a small portable device with good battery life and it was not trying to be a desktop computer.
Re: I'll believe in a conspiracy...
let me guess! Developers, developers, developers! They are forcing their developers to eat Ballmers design choices because they are 100% under the control of Microsoft and Microsoft must get mobile apps built and built as fast as possible. Forcing developers to eat the dogfood of that plan means they become jaded to the good/bad of that design and so are made to believe they are just clicks away from a Windows Phone app.
Seriously, it's all about Microsoft forcing their needs on those they believe they control.
purposefully ruining Microsoft would not be a very good conspiracy theory as it goes against all rational and irrational thinking of how the CEO and the BOD would operate and chase profits. An alternate theory might be that Ballmer thinks he's channeling Steve Jobs, has the BOD believing it too so therefore he's taking over leadership of all product divisions. Or maybe just forcing every product division head to give himself the final say on product design and direction. The result is the same though.
He's clearly delusional as he's pushed out anyone who even looks like they might want him replaced and under his watch the only successful product has been the MS Kinect. But even the MS Kinect was only a success became an open source maker( Limor "Ladyada" Fried) funded an open source driver for it and it became a hit in the hacker community. Remember when Microsoft threatened legal action after the driver was announced and published?
I believe he would have had that belief in his company and disbelieve in Microsoft's ability to build Citrix into Windows. IIRC, Microsoft was saying they'd have it in NT in the next release( less than a 12 months,possibly 8 ). There was no way Microsoft was going to be able to do that and I was so confident of it and it being a ploy to threaten Citrix that I purchased lots of Citrix stock and sold it after the Microsoft deal finally went through. I should have purchased more but hindsight is always 20/20. I sold because I didn't think Citrix could survive losing the source code to Microsoft since that was part of the deal. But they have and have done well which was/is very rare in partnerships with Microsoft.
Sounds like Mr Lacobucci was a special person to have met. As for why they would have targetted OS/2 first, besides his background with it, it was a superior OS and ran circles around Windows NT 3.1 and even 4.0. Unfortunately we see all too often the best product does not survive good marketing and a death grip on a market.
42 comments too!
it seems correct and satisfying that there are 42 comments in this article regarding a minute deviation in The Guide. oh snap....
watch it they're going to throw Metro in your face
lol, it would not surprise me if they did pull something like sticking Metro on everyone's Win7 PC and then say it was a programming bug that'll take 6 months to fix.
high pressure systems to low pressure systems
winds generally move from high to low pressure systems so it's not like a turbine farm in CA is going to effect wind in Colorado. And besides, these turbines are relatively close to the surface where friction with land and vegetation down wind would also bleed off energy. Again, this is just surface energy and there's lots of atmosphere above a wind turbine.
I'm thinking there are gross miscalculations on both sides now.
Re: RE: Pete Spicer
@rcorrect, you think Linus was conversing with the general public? I really wish that were the case considering the topic but 98% of the population wouldn't know what they were talking about. If people can't understand the context then maybe they should, as you put it, STFU? huh?
FYI, the web is public but what you see isn't often targeted to the general world+dog. Besides content there's this thing called context. While proprietary businesses and governments may do these things behinds closed doors and disguise them as private matters, that's not how the OSS world works. Those coding GNU/Linux probably could care less what the "public" thinks when they are writing code but the public is welcome to look at it. Again, OSS is not old school business with lots of protectionist mechanisms disguised as corporate policy and politeness.
Microsoft and IBM legally had to play two different marketing games
Microsoft could and did use illegal and ruthless means to get not only the OEM's locked into Dos/Windows then Win95 but also the press. Microsoft fed the press misinformation about what Chicago / Win95 would have and also had their fingers on who articles were written. One author once wrote how his article was edited so what the name OS/2 as left off the cover page and only bits about Microsoft's OS was covered on page one. Then there was the physical/paper press of the time where as inaccuracies were corrected over a month later in little comments pushed to the back of the magazines. Damage done won the day.
IBM, they were under anti-trust obligations and couldn't do things like false advertising or even pre-announce software capabilities etc. They had already lawyered up and had lots of layers looking over all the marketing.
So what you had was a boxing match with IBM having to play fair and cautiously against a ghost which could apparently do everything, be everything and the press made it looks like it was everything.
so it'd be easy to support the few thousand users who would be clinging onto that old hardware at that point.
As you know, this is really just some attempt to sooth some management nerves about a product with no market share and no hope of a market share. It's better than buying a RIM device but not much.
looks like something bound for SkyMall or Brookstone mags.
Re: RIM are not the threat
no, remember that Elop delivered lots of patents to Microsoft . The same could be what Microsoft would look for in RIM since they are or were _the_ enterprise device company before most others.
another one or two die shrinks maybe
so they've cut out lots of old desktop and OS code and Windows 8 is almost slim enough to run on phones and tablets with the same feature set as the desktop version. Well, not quite but a few more die shrinks and not only will memory densities increase enough but so will CPU performance while power usage goes down.
In the meantime, companies like Apple, Google and others have used *nix variants, mostly GNU/Linux and have done this for years. GNU/Linux scales from super computers, mainframes, laptops, netbooks, phones and even watches. But be proud Gill Bates, you'll eventually be correct about Windows. Too bad so many fewer will care.
Re: Nokia throws html 5 against the wall
because Steve Ballmer saying that Microsoft is becoming a device and services company does not mean they plan to own the "device" part of his business plan?
Does not their history show they would gladly toss away dead carcasses of partners to end up owning that which those partners helped nurture?
win95 vs win8
Windows 95 was significant, risky and had a huge marketing cost for Microsoft because there was that IBM thing going on at the time. They'd been riding the coattails of IBM and moved into the OEM market as that grew but the big threat was their split with IBM and the OS/2 product IBM was then pushing. Should they had lost the customers and developers to OS/2 Microsoft would be an office software company today and relatively tiny.
fast forward 17 years to 2012 and what do we have? We don't have Microsoft growing in double digits anything like the '90s, the PC sector is saturated and then there are these portable handheld devices which do most of what people outside of business want a computer to do. They are not fighting off someone trying to take a bite into their main market, desktops, but it is Microsoft who is trying to get into the smartphone segment and the tablet segment. Very different than the days if Windows 95 where they owned the market and a big OS shift was used to keep another vendor from taking their market.
It is very interesting to see Microsoft forcing a change on the users of their market stronghold, desktops, in order to win entry into the portable device segments. Interesting because a loss or failure in those segments comes with lots of disdain from the desktop users. They're trying to push current users to the edge and hope the mobile segments are won over but if not, it'll be very dangerous with Apple and possibly some Linux there to pick up the pieces. I'm already seeing lots and lots of consumers telling me they have dumped "the PC" and are Mac users now and won't go back.
So it may be as critical to Microsoft's future as Windows 95 was but it sherley is not the same game and they are not in the same position as they were back then. They are still very cocky to be forcing such a UI change on developers and users at a time when it seems the world+dog is in love with Apple products. And that includes the press.
Re: You say false advertising, I say lack of understanding of technology.
it is someone else's responsibility, not the user who only cares about being a consumer and being able to throw it out the window so it disappears when done. Why on Earth would anyone expect people to know complex things like basic technology? It's like the car, when something smells or breaks it's time to pay someone to help me make it all better. I don't need to know the basics of how brakes work to know that the screeching sounds for the past month every time I hit the brakes were indicators of a problem. When I hit the back of the car in front of me when I couldn't stop was all the indication I needed to know.
let me guess, the chemical is also found in chocolate
it's funny how a chocolate here or there enhances the female mood.
As for the condoms, if there's anything to these findings, look for the new version with ribs and doped with the OIF/NGF. And new lubes too. Go science!
Re: Grand Challenge
the difference might be fuel and GPS. Very little energy/power on this rover for high speed travel and without GPS, they really have to keep tire slippage down to nil.
It's just a guess but this speed is probably the result of conserving power, limiting wheel slippage, and the 14 minute data delay.
So why are they not putting up a little GPS network I wonder.
you had better believe it. Remember how many billions they throw down on the XBox and only recently started pulling in a positive cash flow on the product line. Wasn't it $3 billion they wrote off in just one year due to faulty hardware designs?
Microsoft will spend billions on this because they need to shut Apple and Android growth down or risk more of the Windows revenue streams losses to those competitors.
and not a peep about the ARM version of Windows 8 causing this
binary blob you say? would that x86 binary blobs? Well don't ya think that with all this ARM version of Windows 8 stuff they are ready to drop millions promoting has anything to do with that when it can't run those x86 binary blobs?
I think the clue wagon just rolled into the station and it's got Windows RT on the name plate.
doesn't help the original Metro platform is flopping like a shot pleasure replicant(Pris)
Microsoft has used the Metro name throughout their marketing of the Windows phone OS's new tile UI and that dates back close to 2 years. Now, they want to stick this on the desktop and all of a sudden the name is a problem with a partner? This is after allocating hundreds of millions on marketing of the Windows phone OS.
Sure Microsoft, it's all about someone else having a problem with the name. It couldn't have anything to do with the old phone platform failing badly and you don't want to associate the "new" Windows 8 with that old product. Nope, never.
this is probably why you don't see Windows with device located drivers like what Sun Sparc systems had in the 1990s. There was talk of Java having this functionality via something called Jini but we all know how violently Microsoft opposed and fought off Java.
The solution really is an OS which can ask the device for its driver, get the driver in a language which is platform neutral( Forth, Java, Python, etc ) and provide the subsystem for the running of the driver in the OS. It's not going to happen with Microsoft around that's for sure.
I'm wondering if the judge is not pissed because she knew it was evidence because Apple used it in their properly submitted evidence. She had to reject it as Samsung introduced evidence because they submitted it too late and they shouldn't have kept bugging her to admit it when Apple already had it.
Then again( and not being a lawyer or even close) Samsung would have to wait until Apple brought it up in court before they could use it and if they didn't then so too Samsung could not use it.
One would have thought that the first thing Samsung would have done was to find all their phones and other manufacturers phones which used the "bar type" format having a large screen.
"future computers" is the key phrase. That sentence is not about any existing computers, just the new ones and those would be the ones OEMs would care about. Remember, OEMs don't make any money off previous sales, only future sales.
maybe something with labels representing the target action with colored backgrounds and connecting flows to more relevant data on that action? And have these touch surfaces all over the ship^h^h^h^hplace so anyone can use them. This means a login system known everywhere and maybe even a communications mechanism via voice. While we're at it, lets have a little comm pendant we can just talk to and ask "the computer" questions and get nice female voices answering us. Too bad nobodies thought of that before.
Re: I think I'd have been tempted to switch...
so far I've not seen any company with the balls Barnes and Nobel showed when they published all correspondences with Microsoft and refused to sign their NDA's just to see the patents which must be publicly available. These deals being signed are always inclusive of some other license or cross licensing but because they include the Linux word, they get press from Microsoft. Because it is all a stunt after all and too few have the balls to stand up to them.
really? special access to exclusive development documentations? sign me up
if you think they are holding back documentation for developers just so they can pay off some devs looking for freebies you are a sucker and the one they are looking for.
as for getting access to their "engineers", I've been there and it wasn't pretty but the customer really felt important that a real "Microsoft employee" was on the phone with them. If the hundreds of millions spent on advertising Windows Mobile 6.5 was effective(it was not ) then there might be a chance of some Metro app paying customers but with even more millions spent on advertising Windows Phone 7 and still nothing but single digit market share, it's like becoming a RIM developer. Echos heard in a big empty room.
does marketing see marketing
what I want to know is if those marketing people saw what was said as marketing and how much they really think is true?
seeing through all the fluff, it's too little too late the way I see it. But Metro everywhere is too much to many places so that'll hurt them too.
really? pay $6.3 billion and 5 years later write off $6.x billion?
that just seems like some very creative book keeping as in they have losses in other divisions they don't want shown on the books. Seriously, how does a $6.3 billion company/division go to zero unless somehow all their customers disappear? Is BING still such a failure it's losing over $1 billion per year?
They are a publicly traded company so this should be questioned and clarified.
Re: He's dead wrong...
it'll just be more expensive than the laptop and have less power. you just got youself another niche product Bill.
And I'm thinking Bill Gates just discovered Star Trek and noticed they mostly use only "surface-like" devices.
Microsoft used to dictating the UI and dev APIs along with marketing incentives
On the desktop they have decades of pushing their agenda and most every case was about making sure developers were locked into the Windows economy at the API layers. The UI locks(licensing restrictions starting with Windows 95) initially prevented 3rd party desktop innovations and later it looked like it was just a way to tie patents to the most used desktop UI platform. All this worked for them because they had 100% control of the market with Windows desktop licensing at the OEM level.
They are trying this same approach with the phone platform because it is all they know how to do. They crushed Palm with OEM marketing deals tied to Windows PocketPC, migrated that to the phone and then sat on that when Palm and its Treo phone platform failed to get a real OS under the PalmOS UI. They were dealing with problems Windows Vista presented when the iPhone and Android busted out and all they did was refresh to Windows Phone 6.5 and use marketing money to try and block OEMs from a big Android opening. But, WP6.5 was a yawn and Android with the Verizon Droid marketing push knocked Windows Phone almost off the map and started the assault on the AT&T/iPhone juggernaut. They are no longer in the position to dictate anything in the phone segment and the phone is not tied to the desktop. Nokia will learn this too late to remain as anything more than another phone vendor until they drop exclusivity with the Windows Phone platform.
do you really think Microsoft didn't make them sign something which ties them to Windows Phone OS for years _exclusively_? Nokia's blood will be all gone by the time that symbiotic relationship is over.
Re: Positive Spin?
and so the obvious answer is to go with Microsoft and their Windows CE based phone OS? A platform which not only was/is crashing and burning at v6.5 but they planned on a redesigned UI(WP7) with no market share and that'll be followed shortly by another OS upgrade(WP8).
yes, that was their only choice and a the right one. Is there an evil Kirk in your universe?
Re: Good article
find a copy of HP NewWave and install that on top of Windows 3.1 and then compare it to Windows 95/98/ME/2K
long file names, folders in folders, document templates and more. It was still Microsoft DOS and Windows under it but it was a great add-on. Windows 95 license restrictions ended all the 3rd party desktop add-ons so from 95 onward it was what Microsoft decided you got instead of the market doing it.
'your laptop AND phone' was ready - ie he'd have to give up his phone to get the laptop
It seemed to have gone over everyone's head that the Microsoft guy was willing to make things correct as long as the guy gave up his Android phone and took the laptop AND the Windows Phone phone.
well, almost everyone. ;-)
Now I wonder if he'll take the deal and trade the new phone for some other Android phone. And besides, we know Microsoft, Nokia and AT&T are basically paying people to take the Windows Phone phones to gain market share. Aren't they still below 2% after a year of Windows Phone 7 being on the market? Not good and with Windows Phone 8 in the pipeline it's not going to be an easy message to get across.
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