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An interesting effect. I had one client with a windows 8 machine, his settings disabled updates over connections that cost you money. Somehow he had drivers that had 1/2 downloaded updates. His computer got stuck in a reboot loop trying to update components. (solution was to somehow get it in a safe mode and activate the updates over connections that cost yo money, but I digress)
Observing the complains about the components, well why don't you fix it by installing the files, updating the registry entries. Nope. The files were at their correct versions, the registry entries were correct. The thing was baulking due to components not being registered correctly in windows side by side. *sigh ok where's the problem here*? Well the components appear to be digitally signed, with an expiration date etc....(looks like a digital certificate chain, presumably they can issue CRL's) Oh... Comparing to another machine, and a few basic experiments later, They're signed against a signature PER machine. I didn't think of looking at TPM (Thought that was killed years ago) :-(
So what does this mean in reality? Well You have to TRUST M$, because they control the keys that controls what you CAN run on your computers. Trouble with this is that you also have to trust the US government. We have never had ANYTHING like this every before!
This isn't a DRM issue, nor a trust them not to seal data (which it is), its a sovereignty issue. US government with the keys to disable all your Internet connected windows 8 machines, no they would never abuse that sort of power....Yeah Right!
Re: "everyone bets on Linux today"
"And that will continue until Outlook runs on Linux boxen. Natively."
Either that or someone tarts up evolution.
Re: Wouldn't have happened with Windows 8...
I'm offended that you would think I don't take the time to look after my clients. With windows 8 I have provided more initial support than ever before.
Unfortunately most of my clients are well, 'the unwashed masses', and metros schizophrenic nature plus M$ forcing their online services down peoples throats (IMHO) are causing issues.
One well meaning old dear had ADSL issues, so the email system prompted her for a password. She just enters all her account details again, what she thinks is right. OMG the mess from that simple little misunderstanding!
I could list a long line of, only win8 bugs that I have encountered, but hey every windows version is the same, initially.
The thing that I was commenting on was the fact that, from my experience, when vista came in you had people complementing it(+), people reserving their comments(=), and people being derogatory about it(-).
With windows 8 I've only had people reserving their comments(=) or being derogatory about it(-).
How about you taking the time and listening to what people say
I want to hear one say
"Malformed XML Exception!"
"Malformed XML Exception!"
"Malformed XML Exception!"
Before going on a murderous rampage. PLEASE!
(Malformed XML is always a good reason for a muderous rampage!)
Re: Wouldn't have happened with Windows 8...
"I think you will find that Windows 8 already has a couple of orders of magnitude more users than Ubuntu...."
Only due to ignorance! :-P
(Actually, I have yet to find a client that thinks windows 8 is ok. They universally seem to hate it, not even Vista got it this bad! Maybe I need more clients! )
Re: Alternative to Windows?
Ok I'm late to the forums AS usual but I have to reply to this
"(NTFS use kills the CPU on Linux, a very well known bug they can't be bothered to fix)."
For fun try
1. copying the contents of Documents to a network drive.
2. Now while that is happening try zipping documents, and copy the ziped file to the network drive.
If you have any number of documents at all 2 will be faster than 1. Hell in the past your lovely windows would say its all done, when its only copied a subset of your files. So I suppose you could say MS is improving....
"Microsoft has pretty much just spit in the faces of their users and has indicated that it no longer has any real interest in remaining in the business of making products its customers want. "
Umm,... hate to tell you this, but once you understand that Microsoft is about the money 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Some of their rather unfortunate behavoiur makes sense.
M$ spitting in your face since... ummm DOS (maybe before, but i'm only aware of those products and later).
Rise, Rise Rise of the machines?
Machine trundling along the inside of a ball is one thing, but If they could violently change its centre of gravity. That would be really cool! Bounce over obstacles. Self bouncing ball anyone?
"for super simulating silent subs"
Didn't they sort out the noise issues when they removed the windows based combat systems and replaced them with german kit?
"um sorry the systems rebooting"
Not looking good there. Including device encryption is one step away from, enabled by default. At least now if someone does something goofy we can get a fair bit of their data back.
Last couple of windows 8 issues Ive had to deal with were windows component registration issues. The underlying file was ok, but the registration of it was corrupted so endless reboot loop. In the past this could have been fixed, correcting the registry, fixing the files. But as more of the system becomes encrypted, digitally signed theres going to be less that we can do.
UEFI was the first step, cant have us loading something before their stuff. I guess I'm a little surprised at the pace, 8.1 device encryption and finally on by default? When? At this pace the major update after 8.1.
At that point off line fixes will be no longer practical. You'll have to fix things the Microsoft way. I need a new job, FAST!
1. Whatever will get us a vote
2. Go the Man
3. Polls are irrelevant.
4. The Plebs only have the memory of a goldfish
5. Truth is whatever we say it is, today.
Its scary, the scale of the corruption/incompetence (delete the most uncomfortable term)
I'm just delighted we still have a constiutional democracy. If this lot had the Governor Generals Powers we could kiss goodbye to any semblance of democracy.
Re: What it's for
"Um so why haven't govs killed of notes & coins cash yet?"
Do you think they pay for those billion dollar projects in cash? Its an interesting exercise calculating the volume of currency required for <INSERT DEBACLE HERE>
Secure OS seriously?
Why would you loose the chance to implement random weirdness in your competitors?
On a similar note has anyone managed to change the search provider to google in ie10 yet?
Not to far of a stretch really
Oh hang on.... Not Crack, ummSpeedy Gonzales?
Oh I know
They're Top Guns.... The highest of the high.
Hey stop bashing guys!
If ubuntu gets anything much done here it's a win to us all. The stuff that I want to do with my phone is easy on my linux desktop (except for the telephony bits), but very clunky via android.
The more applications and the better linux support the more flexibility we all gain. You know benefits of FOSS software, etc.
Re: To be fair to Vista
If you've ever thought the windows registry sucked. The first transition to 64bit in xp and vista used registry redirects, err reflection, to give different results depending upon if the registry call was performed by 32 or 64 bit code, add to that the first real use of winsxs (windows side by side for OS files) Its no wonder Vista was a dog, performance wise.
Thankfully they dropped reflection with win7. Since MS use winsxs for code signing I cant see them removing it from the os files. So if the manafests get stuffed good luck having the os work. (I can fix the files, I can fix the registry, but not the manafest digital signatures they seem to be signed to the pc )
Read up about either system and if you dont think they're dumb, for please vote me down!
Why is this news?
Using off the shelf stuff to get a crappy experience,
To avoid lugging around heaps of adapters, charger's n stuff he'd need Zeiss Cinimizer's but $800? Ik!
Mind you With utter and tasker you can do a lot on your android phone :-) Its still quite rough though. You need your phone running and unlocked, and then to click on the utter command icon to activate the thing. You can install nova launcher to enable long press on menu to fire off utter. Much better experience, but you still have to unlock your phone first. You could use a NFC tag to fire off utter, but to enable it while the phone is locked would expose your phone to all NFC all the time (No thanks)
Just too awkward, and clunky with android at the moment. Will the ubuntu phone concept push the wearable computer over the line? It may be enough for me.... What this guy has done? No.
Re: Waiting for answers
$14B for telstra, and about $20B that cannot be backed out of already. So the Libs have to do something with it. The Scortched Earth policies of this current government are incredible. Hell the surplus they were going to have was simply from shifting the outgoings from this current financial year to the next.
Just wait for all the social security benefit funding to run into the wall, set for 2 years from now. They're happy to produce all these reforms now, cause they wont be picking up the bill. Bloody economic vandals.
I would love to see fibre to the home, but not at the price of this lot staying in power. This bunch is SO toxic, that it makes Tony Abbot look acceptable!
The only way there's going to be a change is if WE the people actually get off our backsides and get involved with politics. It may be distasteful, but its not that hard. Go join the political party of your choice and MAKE a difference. You really can.
Re: Oh Linux...
VS M$ The software that should always remain in a beta stage...
VS Apple The software that always keeps users always in a padded cell...
There I said it!
Actually Win8 looks pretty damned robust at the moment. Its a shame really. Who wants to be locked in to M$ forever? Please avoid!
OMG Troll in the 'DARK AGES'
Jeez, how come so many of you BILLBOYZ don't understand a very simple fact: People do NOT want WINDOWS!
Yes, you might like it, as might the tech support guy you hangout with, but 95% of the people who use computers on a regular basis (whether for fun or for work) have no interest in WINDOWS, and will never have it!
And quite a few of them, like me, have tried it and either don't like it, or don't believe it's worth the effort. IOS or preferably Android is all we need!
There fixed it for ya "Troll baby"
Good luck to them
Given how the trolls tend to have more corporations than patents and can simply have the corporate entity behind failed legal action X go bust rather than pay up. I can understand why even big corporate players are asking, not before time, for some balance.
Yes we have seen how big payers if they are given free reign, will abuse the system. Google will want to SHARE eveything. For Patents to work these days you need almost a productivity test.
Is the patent being used by a small biz, is their production (sales value or volume) enough to allow them to be trodden on.
Does the patent holder just hold the patent or do they produce goods with it.
Are any of the parties engaged in nuisance litigation. Are they the inventor, produce goods directly based on the invention, or have enough financial capital to really fight it out?
The easy approach is not to do an in depth analysis of what is actually good for the country. The result is that the big corporates win.
So anything, that seeks to get a meaningful report on the mess HAS to be applauded.
Interesting on the PC repair trade.
If your asked to remove this virus it could all fall on you. Hear of someone with this virus, refuse to work on their computer as it would require you committing an offense. Direct them somewhere else (Dodgy Competition) and then call the police on the competition. PROFIT!
Re: Wah Wah Wah
re is my experience of UEFI. Let me know If you would find this something you would be happy about.
I use linux to repair malfunctioning windows machines. I boot them via network PXE boot and then work on them with Windows essentially offline.
The new UEFI standard means on HP laptops I have to.
1. Find the magic key get into the bios
2. Diable secureboot and be told that this will likely make my system inoperable
3. Activate legacy boot options and enable
4. Enter a random generated pin to get the secureboot options off.
5. Reboot and press magic key #2 to get the legacy boot options to work at all, otherwise it boots stright into windows
6. Go and choose the network to boot from, even knowing I set it to be the defult boot option within the bios
7. Allow the machine to boot
(from this point if I want network boot I must repeat steps 5,6,7)
vs before UEFI
1. Find the magic key to get into the bios
2. Set the default boot device to be network,
3. often enable PXE rom in the bios
(From this point boot OS is determined via dhcp options)
Now if to boot windows you had to
1. Go and set an option that tells you that it will destroy your computer
2. Enter a code to show that you really want to destroy your computer
then for each time you boot
3. press a key that is not normally displayed
4. Actually select that you wanted to boot windows not (linux ICK!)
Would you be happy?
Would you send the bloody stupid thing back cause its not fit for purpose?
Now as a consumer you cannot buy an alternative, because a behemoth company, used financial inducements to influence what you can buy.
Is the average lay person going to try a live CD when they are told that this will destroy their PC? This goes a little beyond a choice of browser. Unfortunately this is probably better describe as an anti competitive cartel. Action needs to be brought against the manufacturers. Otherwise Microsoft will just say it was up to the manufacturers if they wanted discounts for adopting a standard.
If MS loose a few billion. Nothing will change. If the manufacturers do, as well.....
Things will really change.
Re: Windows 8 - It should go away.
Actually I disagree on this. Win8 FINALLY gives the average plebeians a versioning backup system where they only have to plug in an external drive and turn on!
This is well worth, suffering the 'metro' start menu silliness.
Icon cause, well its Microsoft looking for our wallets again.
Re: I'm not Eadon...
But corebios is looking good about now. The more I read about UEFI the more i want to put linux there instead :-P
Re: Oh Bullshit Mrs Ginger.
Chuckle, The funny things been the responses.
40% repeat and treat it as news,
30% say Oi she ripped the guts out of the relevant budgets n cry "Bullshit",
20% say it sounds lovely but given the current lots track record, don't hold your breath they're an pack of liars
10% Dont want to say anything as they might anounce something "Strategic" in the secor you work in "Bloody Hell!!!!"
Not our most destructive fires either
The temerature was the same then as when this set of fires occured.
Of the 4 main fires in Tassie. The reported causes were
An inproperly extinguished campfire.
The big one destructive on was due to a stump that had caught fire a number of days earlier reignighting. Apparently the roots could have still been smouldering underground.
I have not hear of reports of the other two.
The number of people who would fall for that. Yes we will ditch MS and then want to use the spawn from hell software that got us into the whole mess in the first place.
Had to do a mail merge from a sqlite db recently. Ok so I haven't done this stuff for 10+ years. What do I have available Office 2007, and can find a ODBC driver for sqlite. So I should be able to do this. Hurdle 1 its a 64 bit win7 so have to register the odbc via the 32 bit odbc manager that is only available from the windows directory. Ok mail merge, hang on, office needs to get its data via DDE? So I need to have Access Installed?!? Even though office recognizes the odbc connection?!? So the job is going to cost my time plus the office upgrade. Well its a personal job, "She who has to be obeyed", her accounting practice. My time will cost about as much as getting Access.
Angry I build the whole thing in Libre Office. Even though I'm unfamiliar with Libre Office, it takes less time to build the whole shebang from scratch than it did to get as far as I did with MS, and its working on linux and windows, its portable to other machines in the office, no additional licenses. Sure I lost out on time I essentially built it twice, but I wont be doing that in the future.
Libre Office FTW
Is also well worth checking out. (for those without the luxury of a wipe and reinstall from an image)
Re: Ballmer is still mad.
I don't think Ballmer mad at all. Must admit I've only played with win 8 in a virtual machine, so I can't comment about the experience, except in a VM (ICK!)
I thought win 8 was about migrating people to Metro. Metro was supposed to be locked down, with apps only available through the store. Is that not the case? If it is Ballmer is playing for keeps (% of all software sales). Better to have a half baked solution out there and be in the game, than nothing.
The issue is of course the price of the hardware. If they could have delivered the surface for 1/2 the price plenty of people would give it a go and forgive it its foibles. To achieve that they'd need to have subsidized the hardware, to do that would be nuts, given the potential volume of PC sales. The answer get something out FAST and shove as many people as possible onto it.
Ballmer is relying on the massive inertia of the PC market to migrate enough of a percentage to the app store.
Expect a lot of development to metro, and a lot of spin saying its the best thing, cause it is, for MS.
Re: Invented a gambling system that <b> works</b>
i.e. play only when the odds are in your favor. Unfortunately there are a lot of people not so well gifted, including the former owner of the loverly little area that has now become the eyesore that is 'Mona'
Full points to the guy for setting up a 'Mona', but I couldn't stomach doing stuff that he has.
Re: Good news
Ok! Who loaded the catapults with patent attorneys?
Big fine for the company. Share holders sue the directors for malpractice, would be a nice start. No Idea how practical it would be in reality, but it would sure as hell be entertaining.
"No i'm not incompetent"
"So you entered into this agreement knowing it was illegal, unethical, and had the potential to cost your sharegholders millions?"
"Ummmm...What was that first option again?"
Telstra & Tasmania
The Tasmanian experience of a Telstra controlled backhaul was that no service providers could compete, and afford to put in ADSL-2 and telstra had most of their exchanges adsl-2 capable but wouldn't turn them on until a competitor put in adsl-2 into an exchange. Things suddenly changed with the announcements of the NBN, about the same time the state government was looking to light up fibres that went in with the basslink power cable. As to the fate of the basslink fibre, or if it is yet as cheap to send data across bass straight as it is to get data to the USA I dont know.
It looks like I'll have to pay royalties on all my placemats!
Far side of the moon.
I'm a cynic
"Only a cynic would suggest that perhaps scammers mainly live in New Jersey ..."
Got take you to task for this one
"After all, the entire franchise began by selling the audience on the idea that an engineer would build a Death Star capable of destroying a planet that could be knocked out with a single shot in one relatively unprotected weak spot."
Come on. No one would make a mistake with measurements and plow a space probe into mars. O rings, scada systems, You name it. Government procurement,industrial design, it's probably the most believable aspect of the movie....
Next you'll be saying people like "Pussy Galore" are fictional make believe.
I've wasted so many years looking!!!
Re: "the inability to install desktop apps will protect users from many threats"
Not only that but if I read it right, the design was to require validation at the dll or interface level. ie you've got to have your code pass the correct signature to talk to different sections of the os. Very locked down. And of course code signing would ensure a good new revenue base as well. A MS win-win. You gain security, and MS profits.
Now what was the saying of trading off security vs liberty?
Shame the unwashed masses won't care about the power game that is now afoot.
I was wondering what the killer app for win 8 would be. The kiddies will be demanding this.
Sorry you lot, but we are not the target market for this. You pesty kids are.
"Daaaddd! All my friends are on skype.....[followed by all the evidence that you just don't love your kids enough.]"
I HATE MS! Devious B@$tards!
Interesting note about Vista
xp-64 bit. To handle 64 bit applications a concept of registry redirects was brought in. The concept appeard to be that is you had some 64bit code you could have independent configuration in the registry that could be simply redirected to 32bit configuration. So the 64bit subsystem could co-exist with a 32bit without any drama.
Well we all know what happens with a messed up registry. xp-64 bit was not we supported by hardware and seemed unstable. Come vista there was more of a drive to 64bit, and hardware support. But they still supported the registry redirects. Thankfully the concept was killed off with windows 7, instead of registry redirects (now depreciated) you actually have the 64bit registry branches.
IMHO this is a BIG reason for issues with Vista compared to Win7. But hey I have no empirical evidence.
Yup, good luck with that!
New version reception.
Apple: Chatter about new stuff
Linux: Mutter about changed stuff
MS: Fear about new stuff, and what we loose this time.
Seen it once, about 2 ft diameter. Very pretty, n fascinating. It left its own little crop circle like mark in the neighbors lawn.
I suspect the physics behind it would have some really cool applications, once we understand it. If not it makes a hell of a pretty light show. Good luck on this one guys!
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