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Actually, MS Office is rather good on OSX, arguably better than on a Windows platform. So, for those not wedded to Windows and who need or like MS Office, OSX is a very good option, offered on attractive, decent hardware with a fair lifespan and proper support channels if anything does go wrong. Even the price differences are not so obvious for similar quality and design, ameliorated further by the aforesaid lifespan.
If the user does want access to full Windows or Linux, there is a choice of several virtual machine products to use as well as bootcamp, some of which are free, such as Virtualbox from Oracle.
No. Apple did not remove such rights and Google provided a map app fairly quickly. Apple even suggested apps to use while they fixed their own. Nokia also provides an app.
I read that the gripe leading to this was that Google refused to implement the voice directions on IOS that it provided on Android.
Amazed, astonished, astounded at all these comments defending poor little Google for methods that would get Apple, Microsoft or any other large company a shed load of abusive comments.
Are you all paid for this or get some massive discount or air miles?
Re: I'm shocked, shocked to find that ...
>>Like Apple copied Xerox? Hello??
Glad you are keen on recycling. But perhaps you should do some reading first. My understanding is that Apple visited Xerox openly and built on Xerox work with their formal agreement. No idea what the financial side was. Here are a couple of URLs just to give a flavour of the reality; it took me, oh, hours and hours of research to find them, well, nearly half a minute:
Now, do grow up and remember that just about nothing is absolutely new. Is there not some quotation to make clear this point? By some nonentity - Isaac Newton?
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
(but first recorded in the twelfth century and attributed to Bernard of Chartres, Newton stole it, without acknowledgement!)
Re: I'm shocked, shocked to find that ...
Reduce the price: of course. That's how copying works. Somebody else does the hard, expensive work of the initial design, market research, marketing and so forth. The copier does minor changes and exploits the market built up by the copied. I should hope that Samsung would be cheaper.
It is distinctly unusual that the Macbook Air inspired laptops from other firms are not much cheaper than the MBA. That suggests that Apple spread a lot of the initial cost elsewhere, or the emulators are just milking that idea and market for all its worth.
Since so many people seem to buy anything, whatever the price, merits or demerits, provided it is not Apple, I suppose they are on to something.
AaRGHH - how standards have been perverted
I can scarcely credit what my eyes saw. I know that the education system if failing and rampant Americanisation is taking over all aspects of life; but:
SKIMMED milk? What a perverted abomination in any context: all or nothing please - full fat or none.
TEA BAGS? TEA BAGS! I feel like Lady Bracknell and handbags. In an emergency, perhaps: loose tea and not too finely cut either. Failing time to make a pot, use a tea sieve (or is it tea egg? I live abroad now and the local name translates to "tea egg"). You will never, ever get the taste of even a cheap tea to a proper level in a bag and then there is the taste of cheap paper and …. No, must stop before I suffer apoplexy. No doubt these are the same people who think Starbucks makes coffee (oops, excuse the expletives, S* and c*).
MUG? Hmm. Now break down into thick and chunky or fine porcelain …. On some occasions, e.g. a proper afternoon tea, such as one or two Manchester hotels will still provide, it must be good porcelain cups and saucers giving a proper sense of occasion and ceremony.
Re: How much is that in real money?
Add 20% VAT, so, £930 and £1154, respectively. One starts to think about, for example, a Macbook Air, also supplying a fully-fledged UNIX and much less management overhead.
As for the chap slating OSX and Linux above, Both can do all you want and much more than you know about. The main differences are that one is BSD derived, the other is the Linux/Minux development stream and OSX comes with all needed for most things already installed, plus full development environment as a free, automated installation while Linux, at least from a do-it-yourself installation, requires rather a lot of extra work.
Both use GNU or BSD shell utilities. OSX can get compiled or source kits from the same sources as Linux, plus macports that resembles BSD ports.
If the critic wants to emphasise the dearth of commercial applications for OSX or Linux, of course he is right in that Windows has been around for a while, deeply embedded into large and small firms. But OSX is not as far behind as he may think. e.g. full MS Office suite, the plethora of professional picture editing/managing software for which OSX has long been a major workhorse and so on. These are not OpenOffice-style copies; these are original, supplier software.
This, of course, does not cover some of the enterprise management tools for servers and so on.
Re: Spot on.
Do you remember the container loads of manuals that, for instance, VMS came with? But at least they were there and worked even when the computer did not.
I detest these badly filmed videos in which a monotone, American voice speaks in some obscure dialect, using American "cool" references and words, probably about baseball or whatever they play and completely fails to hold your attention long enough to find out what he is trying to say or show. All I want is to find out how to move a page from a to z (that's Zed, not some confusing Zee or was it See? Can't tell with that drawl).
Then the same person seems to write the manuals, on line or paper and litters them with super-friendly quips and jokes, illustrated with some quaint Americanisms from his local school or some such and still manages to obscure or hide the information you seek. All I wanted was an instruction, up to date, to the point and with no unnecessary cruft.
Re: Password generation
Then you find that this site says you can not use a password because you used it on that site ten years ago.
Then the other site says you can not use that neat, 8 letter password you want to use for all the twenty you must change because they are 12 days old and have expired, because the password rules for this site say it must be only 6 letters or digits, while the others insist on at least one capital, number and punctuation character (no, not that one, silly, not in our list). Now you've got a dozen server, workstation and secure website addresses, all in the one firm (your apparent employer) with, seemingly, two dozen different rules and endlessly different expiration periods and restrictions against dictionary words … and you must not have used any of them before, ever. Then you get some asinine instruction, that you must never write down or record anywhere your passwords.
My wife was given an initial password yesterday, for a hospital system to cover web, sharepoint and email, that she should change immediately. However, this password, printed beautifully in a letter, contains "l" (ell?), or is that "I" (eye")?) and a nicely ambiguous "O", in three places. We tried writing down and entering every combination - no luck or probably silently locked out for trying too often.
Then one banking site wants a secret word (with its own set of permitted and required characters and length) from which it simply asks for the nth, mth and yth character; the next wants to send you an sms with a number. Of course, your battery just went flat; you left the mobile behind somewhere; it takes so long to find it the number has expired … then, finally, you mistype it.
Re: Molehill->mountain @roo
I sync only between iphone and my macbook, usually over wi-fi, sometimes (e.g. for photographs or to charge away from the mains) using USB. I refuse to use "cloud" services for personal data and, as far as possible for any data. But then, I'm a professional with experience of network computing and my own and most of my employers' attitude to security. Every European employer for whom I have worked, including USA firms operating in Europe, warn the user if any of their user services involve a USA server, e.g. chat services, usually with the choice to refuse to use that service.
I am disappointed if Apple really do insist that users must do basic back-up or synchronisation of contacts and calendars via another network service instead of the option to do it directly and privately. Next to email and SMS, I would class calendar and contact information as the most sensitive information that most people have got. I suppose that someone in a contacts list could object if their details are being transferred to a "cloud" service without their agreement, particularly an American or British one.
No, this is a foolish misapprehension I hope: I am prepared to think that this is just a mistake - a neat idea not being thought through by the designers and implementers. Of course, if it is not remedied in an update soon, then one must reconsider.
Pious comments that one can use any service are silly and pointless: most people have no idea of these various choices nor how to find them etc.. As for setting up one's own: go to your non-computing friends, family or acquaintances and tell them to do it. See if they even understand the suggestion.
Most users have to trust their supplier, whether Apple, Google, Microsoft or Linux distributor and use their software more or less blindly. Even most "technical" users do that once they leave work. Spending their spare time managing their systems instead of just using them is not most peoples' idea of relaxing and getting away from doing the same at work.
=== But it's not like Europe, where foreign countries are almost next door to everyone.
Umm. Think you need to buy a new atlas. Germany, Italy, France, Spain for example - these are rather large countries in which the majority would have to travel some way, further than most Canadians (most of whom live in a relatively narrow strip along the border).
Re: (EU standard) photo card
Having another European licence, I gave up on my UK driving licence when I found out that, despite the standard plastic card, with photograph, UK still expected me to carry a piece of paper as well, whereas other countries give just the card, no paper, in the same, standard format.
Typical UK: take a basic, European idea; gold plate it and blame Europe.
By the way: I know education in UK is suffering; but I could swear the majority of posters here are unable to spell "licence", as in the noun. Only the verb contains an "s". Perhaps you are all illegal immigrants after all.
How would a passport verify someone's right to live in UK? Or do they mean see the residence visa? Who will train the landlords to recognise one? Will UK subjects be refused because they have not got a residence visa? Or a passport?
Why not just bite the bullet and issued voluntary identity cards conforming to the European standard (as plastic driving licences do) and authorised by the government in the same way as passports? Living in Switzerland and having been accepted as a Swiss citizen, I immediately applied for my Swiss identity card (voluntary). It is invaluable: whenever I have to prove who I am (never yet been asked by the police!), I have it in my wallet. If I cross a border into EU land, including Great Britain and to several other countries, such as Turkey and non-EU East European countries, I just show my card - no creased, water-damaged, dog-eared, too-big-for-my-pocket passport. It's easier, quicker to check, machine friendly, cheaper to get or replace and I no longer have to get copies of the gas bill, a recent bank statement or other, more personal document.
Of course, I could refuse one, then pay for a passport or find some other, clumsy way of showing the bank or some English internal airline or the pub or off-licence who I am and so on. But why bother? The identity card is recognised by every country, accepted by all and actually gives away less about me than a copy of my bank statement, my driving licence or even my gas bill. The same people who objected so strongly to a card probably used a network login to an American server to use email or twitter or some such to register their disquiet. That, of course, is totally private, anonymous and safe.
Re: That's Theresa May for you.
"We are told to believe that this is a "representative democracy".
Representative of Eton and Oxbridge, perhaps.
Remember, we're all in this together."
Remind me: who votes for them? Not that I do not agree in a sense, particularly in that they have forgotten who votes for them and that wealth is no longer a prerequisite to get the vote.
A country gets the politicians it deserves (votes or abstains for).
Re: Without Apple we wouldn't have had all the competition
Unable to read the original post, or to comprehend it?
Tablets were a resounding miss until Apple had a go. Android or Google had shown no inclination, not a hint in the direction of mobile phones or tablets until their man on Apple's board was intelligent enough to understand what Apple were about to do and betrayed his privileged position.
Just accept it: good as the current, non-Apple devices may be, they are all built on the market that Apple finally established as a mass consumer market. One can expect the originator to be overtaken eventually. That seems to be the fate of most such, whether in cars, aeroplanes or vacuum cleaners or empires. Human organisations and endeavours seem all to go through such histories, each being replaced and eclipsed by a successor building on the ideas or achievements of its predecessor.
To be frank, it would be very disappointing if the likes of HTC and Samsung, free to devote all their energy and resources to improvement, extension and learning from Apple's experience and that of its failed predecessors, did not make ever better, cheaper mobiles and pads for the large, eager market established by the success of Apple.
None of that does you or me, as mere customers, any credit. So enjoy your gadgets and be grateful to Apple that it had the guts, design and marketing ability to kick off the wide choice of attractive, reliable and desirable gadgets now available.
"Most are paid Apple shills"
"Most are paid Apple shills…."
Have you got any evidence for this? Are you a "Samsung shill"? Actually, what is a "shill"?
Do you honestly believe that people write positive reviews of anything only if paid and, conversely, write bad reviews if not?
I fear you are judging others by your own standards. Very run of the mill attitude.
Re: Quote.... It's just an iPad, FFS
On computing sites, a new washing machine is unlikely to generate many columns (though I am intrigued by the cunning computer programmes used in them - what language, hardware, problems, crashes? Certainly more interesting than most of the stuff on The Register).
But perhaps (and I have got no idea in which magazines or web sites to look), there are specialist reviews and speculation about the newest white goods, as well as in consumer magazines advising buyers what to buy or not buy. I suspect, though, that one does not get the stupid partisanship displayed in the mobile phone and computer world, nor the silly mania to get the latest or boast of having the oldest.
Re: HDMI not compulsory
A fiver here, a fiver there, just for odds and ends and second hand bits. Half a dozen of those and you've already spent more than the cost of the Pi and hardly started yet; in addition, the mere ability to find and assemble those bits assumes the sort of knowledge and interest that busy parents who are not interested in or working in informatics just may not have (the child probably does not: he is learning); the schools have not got the time to have a teacher or even a secretary running around acting as retailer for bits and pieces.
The idea is interesting; but I suspect that most Pi machines, bought for the home for a school in a fit of well meant enthusiasm, will end up in a draw, gathering dust.
Do remember, schools have a lot more to teach than just informatics: the three Rs, so that the children can read and record and plan their informatics work; a decent grasp of history, geography, art etc. so that they know how their world got where it is and have some feeling for society, state and continuity (and to provide handy sources of silly computer names etc. to show off their intellectual credentials), at least one foreign language because the world is bigger than we are …. Oh, and schools are expected to provide sport, social discipline and on and on.
While you are moaning about embryo informatics specialists, athletes are crying out for the new generation of sportsmen, businesses are demanding numerate and literate recruits with social skills and at least one foreign language, government wants good administrators, we all want nurses, doctors, radiologists, teachers ….
Computing or informatics is a particular field, like plumbing or architecture. The educational system, unless it is supposed to start streaming children like like drones at 6 years old, must provide a pool of educated (not trained) pupils who can adapt to the growing needs of their society, one of which (probably a smaller one) is computing expertise. Think too how many of us change career, completely, because the reality of the chosen one turns out not to be what we wanted or that field just withered away: by emphasising something aimed at a particular industry, that change becomes difficult and unnecessarily expensive.
I know that this purports to be a "technical" web site; but contributors must lift their eyes to see beyond their keyboards or tablets, to what our work is for and its real place in the overall context.
Re: DAB and DAB+
This not changing to DAB+ … idiocy. Now is just the time to do it, before the whole country has been forced to buy DAB sets. Anyway, decent, modern DAB sets can receive both. It would be cheaper just to subsidise the minority with DAB-only to upgrade to DAB+, in the long term, not that GB seems to think long term in anything.
I live in Switzerland: we were encouraged to DAB (my wife bought a decent Pure radio that can receive it, vast price, first one had to go back for replacement as it just stopped working after six months). Now most things are on DAB+. They just did it, no complaints in public at least. But I suppose it was done a couple of years ago now, before too many people had bought the limited DAB versions. Fortunately, the radio can get FM too. I believe most of Europe (except UK of course) is going the same way.
Now I see that all UK suppliers selling DAB radios here support DAB+ as well (ours was bought just too soon, never be an early adopter, her newer Roberts portable gets DAB and DAB+), on the same set. So where is the BBC's problem? Or is this some daft, alternative world where the suppliers provide only crippled radios within UK and future-proof ones abroad, where the future is already the present?
Re: @Greg J Preece
>>I think he'd be fired for ignoring them
I grant that the person may be on pikett duty and so be liable to emergency calls, or he may be awaiting a really important call from a customer or some poor field engineer on site, who is fending off a customer with a problem. But in such cases, it is easy to warn the meeting that you may have to leave urgently, keep your mobile on vibrate and silent and, should it ring, leave the room discretely to answer it (having made sure you are near the door and know how to open it).
In an interview, for either party, there is no excuse for keeping your mobile on. At a meal, see above and never, ever, put your precious on the table.
If you are the speaker or presenter, your audience should have your full, uninterrupted attention. If you can not arrange your time accordingly, you are in the wrong job.
Getting or making calls or messages is not a sign of your importance, cleverness or indispensability.
Finally, nobody is that important.
Re: Speaking as a techno-nerd male ...
"Do not disturb", "Flight mode" or OFF.
"Silent" mode when in an open office or on public transport (you probably can not hear it above the noise anyway) if you must be available.
Re: It's not a PC, this is for real humans, not hack-a-whacks.
Odd, but the vast majority of technical reviews, really technical, rate the current Mac laptops as rather good and, for instance the MBA, as cheaper than some of the new Windows equivalents for the equivalent performance (note, performance).
Re: How to fix a MacBook
your wife, apparently, took an risk by taking confidential school information home, adding more (presumably reports or marks or some such) and failing to secure it against disaster when the school facilities were unavailable for a prolonged period. While I applaud (honestly) her serious approach to her responsibilities (mine is the same about certain things from her work), if you think this material is important and must be kept and you will not be at the school next day, then you should arrange with the school for a USB device and satisfactory encryption system (I assume her Apple account is password protected and the data encrypted on the disc). On the other hand, I assume that the original data was safely in the school system; so the worst case is that your wife has to repeat the work (and often, the second version is better anyway, see "The Mythical Man Month", F. Brooks, where stands something like, "Throw the first version away, you will anyway".)
I take your point about your caution, quite right. But that must be equally true if you had got hold of the disc and tried to recover data. I have managed to get data back once, partially (had to be a bit clever to reconstruct some of it into a useable form). But in the other couple of times, well, it was a good theory. We also tried specialist firms: nix.
Oh, and I still have no confidence in your account of how you asked for the broken disc and were refused. From my experience, it sounds most improbable or like a bad misunderstanding.
Re: It dissuaded me
>> Doesn't even have focus follows mouse (Which is absolutely needed to be efficient using it as a desktop *NIX).
It does if you use X11 and twm or whatever windows manager you care to install (twm is there by default). Just set your X11/twm configuration correctly, as usual under every UNIX and cygwin..
Or, use this (took not much longer than the time to type the search string to find it) from a console session (xterm or terminal application):
$ defaults write com.apple.terminal FocusFollowsMouse -string YES
19"/3kg laptop? Do you call that portable? Try carrying that on the bus or train every day or using it while travelling. May as well carry a desk top. Or have you got a servant to carry it for you?
Perhaps you do not know how heavy 3 kg is nor how awkward it is to carry such a large device, that would probably weigh more than 3 kg anyway.
Oh, you were being funny. Sorry.
Sounds like you should pay more for your computers. I've got an 12 year old, expensive at the time Thinkpad and a five year old, white Macbook. The former has had one battery change and, though clearly not as good now, still goes for a couple of hours and the latter, that I use every day, is still good for three to four hours.
Next time, buy something better, such as an Apple device!
Re: How to fix a MacBook
This was used for work and your wife did not find some way of backing it up! Genius that you are, you did not work out how to use Time Machine with a cheap USB disc? You could even just plug in a USB stick and copy the stuff; my absolutely non-technical, not to say technophobic wife can manage that from an ancient windows laptop (just about irreparable for anything more than disc or memory).
This sounds like a story you heard down the pub or you are the kind of person I would not let anywhere near an HDD drive and software tools. My experience with Apple is absolutely contrary to yours and it was definitely my fault on that occasion (too embarrassingly thoughtless to reveal the asinine details here).
Google Chrome = OS X functionality?
The idea that Chrome is a like for like replacement for OS X, or Windows, is odd. Try using a Chrome laptop as a stand-alone device, no network, in the middle of nowhere (as a good friend thought he could). But on the other two, you can write a book, a complex programme or play a game with no network connectivity. You can store your music, your pictures, reading material on your local storage.
Last time I dealt with a Chrome machine, we could not even install Skype. This was a couple of years ago and perhaps Google has eased up a bit since then; perhaps the manufacturers are providing decent storage and the programmes to use it. But that machine ended up in a bag for a week until the owner got home, back to his network connection (we were in a part of Europe where free wi-fi, or any wi-fi, was unusual).
One day, perhaps, every square centimetre of Earth will have free, fast wireless connectivity and network storage ("cloud") secure enough that one has no fears of the local authorities perusing its content. Till then, I keep a computer with the ability to work properly "off line".
Re: No war
A man was travelling on the train from London to Brighton, when he saw a fellow passenger screwing up pieces of paper and throwing them out of the window. "Why are you doing that?" he asked. The other answered, "It keeps the elephants away.". "But there are no elephants in Sussex." "I know, effective is n't it?"
Re: No war
Oh dear, more 'ealth 'n safety. Fancy, a cliff and no fence. Wonder how many thousands and thousands of kilometres of unfenced cliff, ponds, lakes, beaches there are in Great Britain, let alone the whole of Europe. What an appalling analogy, and yet perhaps not.
"Security" against "terrorism" is the fence. Freedom, with all the risks it entails, is the lack of a fence. I suggest that those seeking safety ask to be confined in a prison or a nicely fenced field, with a cuddly politician passing laws and monitoring their telephones, conversations, friendships, affiliations all in the name of safety against terrorism, paedophilia, child-stealing gypsies or whatever the latest scare factor is. Let the rest of us enjoy life, even if it means falling off a mountain while climbing sometimes, capsizing in our sailing dinghies, twisting an ankle or freezing to death while on a \Winter walk. At least we shall use life and freedom. You can stick with your fenced, cotton wool wrapped, but absolutely safe world. Ever read, "When the machine stops"?
Freedom, justice and absolute safety are incompatible. On this ground alone, the all-pervasive spying ability of our government departments must be curtailed and a country should never enable or permit another state to spy on its citizens, their industry, their business or their opinions.
Of course, any country may believe it is justified in spying on another. But the current scale and ability, along with collusion, is far beyond what is acceptable between countries not at war (please, terrorism is not a war between states, whatever the propaganda says), if sufficient trust and freedom of movement for international cooperation are to survive.
You know, in Syria there are various sides fighting. These sides may be labelled, "government", "regime", "rebel", "freedom fighter", "terrorist", "resistance", "opposition", "defender", "aggressor". It all depends upon one's interest and point of view. The same is true in Europe and USA. The citizen spied on today is a "suspect". Perhaps he is simply in the wrong political party or none. Perhaps he expressed some view misunderstood by some frightened official. But, once he is being monitored, he is no longer safe and if government takes a wrong turn, he may be in actual danger.
No one with half a brain or education can support all pervasive spying within a country or between "allies". Worse, in the current cases, it is not clear that the spying was within the laws of the countries paying for it.
Re: What's the downside of the "upgrade?" vs Snow Leopard?
I've got X11, with twm, running under Lion. However, as this MacBook is the old, white 13" from early 2008 I can not explore Mountain Lion and later delights.
However, contemplating moving to a maxed out 13" air, or do I hang on till the mythical retina screen version or is the current screen more than good enough? This old thing still runs well enough for most things.
But they don't care because they're taking the photo, not in the photo and it happens to. E the camera they've got with them with a good instant review ability.
Don't be jealous. Just do the same.
Re: Kids today
I am 63. Though there were general attitudes that were not as self consciously anti as is claimed today, I had school cltavues of all colours and creeds at a boarding school. I knew of German exPOWs who had settled and were widely accepted in Devonshire countryside. I would say that there is more cSual racialism and pseudo religious demonisation on all sides today than then. The USA military seem proud of it. Cameron promotes it with his terror talk and ant foreign scroungers scares all without solid evidence.
Re: Mixed signals regarding privacy
Pictures, pornography, indecency:
I find it fascinating that the implicit assumption, in all these comments, is that any picture of a naked human being is, per se, pornographic; not even just indecent - pornographic. It is such attitudes that create the problem. They lead to proud parents being reported for pictures of their young children playing with bubbles in the bath. They stop toddlers from being allowed to run naked at the seaside.
Please do distinguish nakedness in the context of sexual activity or lasciviousness from pictures, whether artistic or for the family album.
Surely, the correct term here is not pornography: these two were making an intimate, personal record for their own pleasure. I would class it as pornography only if it was intended for a wider distribution to titillate, make money or similar. The real thing here is that the unpleasant "boyfriend" betrayed the trust and intimacy he had enjoyed and caused harm to the girl by using their private record as pornography, without her agreement, to gain warped revenge. This, to my mind, should be very heavily punished as she is hurt and society, in its dependence on mutual trust, is hurt. His protestations about the unexpectedly wide audience are worthless: apart from their stupidity, an audience of a single third person would be bad enough. As for "openness": that still implies consent and mutuality. One sided openness is betrayal.
Lastly, I suspect it is a very small minority of people who whip out their smart phone to film themselves in the act. If that is the first thing on the mind of one of them, the other should find a real human being as soon as possible.
Re: Mixed signals regarding privacy
Yes, and if you do not want your pocket picked, you should not have pockets or at least put nothing in them. Never tell a friend anything personal, in confidence, nor a sibling nor a parent. Who knows what your best friend or your mother will blurt out one day. Never cross a road; it's the only way to be sure you will never be struck by a car.
Really: find a philosophy course somewhere, a proper, rigorous one and study how to think.
Re: Status Symbol?
1. somebody spent too much on your toys.
2. "Call me crazy, but I don't want to pay a lot of money for a Unix system less functional than debian, fedora, mint, et al."
All right, you're crazy. The fully fledged BSD UNIX is just that, a full UNIX (which Linux is not), plus most of the GNU and BSD shell utilities and a full programming environment plus drivers as standard (all right, for full set of compilers you need the free Xcode application installation, a few minutes work via the app store, or get GNU ones from the usual places). I have used all main stream and a few non-main stream UNIX implementations since 1984; I've used several Linux systems, native and via virtual machines, from building slackware for a misguided firm that thought it was saving money (as if my time was free) to Redhat and SUSE pro editions and several in between.
I assure you, OSX is at least as good as most Linux variants, with the advantage that the usual shells and shell tools, web server etc. come as standard. No hunting around for the codecs, libraries, reverse-engineered scanner drivers and so on.
I wonder if you used OSX via a terminal shell session or, better still, using X windows server and twm, just to get a first taste.
Re: Word Perfect largely has itself to blame for it's demise
But vi is user friendly, fast, consistent and powerful. I am serious.
Re: there's a quote about motes and beams .. If only I could remember ,,,
Close, someone who likes feet. Well, I hear that there are people with a foot fetish. At least the writer did not write, "peedofeel".
Another point in these posts: why have English media and "contributors" reverted to pre-Shakespearean "gotten" and "proven" (apart from in Scottish, archaic legal terminology)? I suspect that even grammatically, it is being used wrongly and indiscriminately. Do the yoof or meeja suddenly think it's cool?
I look forward to the (correct) use of "thee", "thy", "thine", "thou" and so on, along with archaic subjunctive forms. Next we can change spellings and reintroduce the old letters representing "th", the extra "s" that looks almost like an "f" and so on. Of course, we will be reverting to a language that even Elizabethans were starting to consider to be archaic or dialect, or to the deliberate separatism practised by some extreme religious groups, particularly those who emigrated to the new American colonies. I've just been reading a book by an 18th century seaman: there were none of these archaisms in his writing (and for that matter, his spelling was pretty much as in modern British English, with just a few "vallies" and so on).
Just read any English writing from even just a couple of years ago, probably just from last year and you will see no "gotten" except in take-offs of Southern USA speech, likewise that abomination, "gonna", that actually almost no one speaking non-USA English actually says even if they think they do. I suppose the users also go to the "bathroom" in a pub even when all they want to do is piss and, one hopes, wash their hands (heard someone talk about the bathroom when walking in the woods and excusing himself recently).
I know recent reports note the greatly reduced literacy of those under 24; but surely people in these forums pretend to be a little bit literate. Who says the effects of foreign films etc. are negligible?
"OK I had nothing to add about macs..."
I should say you've got nothing to add, nothing to say at all actually. You have never used one and know no one who has, that's clear. You even resorted to rudeness about the one whom you imagine you know.
Learn UNIX and then log in to OSX and play, at both the GUI level and terminal/xterm shell level. Talk to the various designers, musicians and so on using them. Talk to Google staff who, at least until recently, favoured them for development. Browse macPorts, sourceforge, GNU and the OSX app store.
Then, having got a smidgin of an idea what you are spouting about, do come back with an informed opinion.
Re: Apple (someone had to raise this)
And you are a blinkered, sanctimonious idiot.
If you think the American way with guns - responsibility works, you must be in a tiny minority. I understand that there are individual American cities with higher death rates through these responsible gun owners than the murder figures for the whole of Britain, or Germany or other countries.
You also seem to think that, to own or use a mobile 'phone, you must have a good technical understanding and background that was unnecessary to use a land line.
Or are you suggesting that, for every item one uses, one should have a thorough understanding of it and the design behind it? Do you? When you go to buy, say, a new microwave, do you understand all the computing within it? All the electronics? The mechanics, in working detail, or all the moving parts? Do you insist small children pass a test in how to use a mobile phone, or open the fridge?
Most of us have enough to do just keeping up with our own professions and living busy lives. Few people even bother to read the instructions of most things that they buy and, most things are well enough built and designed that this is fine. Apple understands this and provides for this market as well as for those who want to go deeper. As Android matures, its resellers and packagers are learning this too, which is one reason why Samsung is doing well.
Now you need to learn and understand it.
Perhaps computers in junior/primary schools are wrong
A report just published in various media concerns the literacy and numeracy of people around the world. Oddly enough, England (it did not cover all of GB) comes out really badly, better than Spain, Italy and USA, but towards the bottom of about 25 countries (too idle to find a report for accurate figures). What is really interesting is that those above middle age are significantly (in GB) more literate and numerate than under 35s and under 24s. The tendency worsens with youth.
This seems, to me to coincide with the availability and use of computing in some form in education. So, perhaps the real lesson is: first teach school pupils the traditional three Rs so that they are really confident and competent with numeracy and literacy; build on this to teach them critical appraisal, logic and problem solving. Finally, when they have demonstrated competence so far, teach them informatics, in all its broad and glorious diversity, from using spread sheets to amassing, assessing and using information, ensuring that they apply the basic tools that they learnt to understand and keep control in informatics (rather than the current haphazard way in which, it seems, the technology takes control of the people). Give them a strong sense of their own (not some internationalised, anodised) culture. Then they have a chance of understanding and using the newest tools.
Simply learning to program or to use a word processor or calculator does not teach critical thought, context, logic or problem solving. These are prerequisites. It is notable that the really big advances in informatics were made by generations educated in a very different, traditional way, often with heavy doses of classical languages, literature, basic and not so basic mathematics, history and so on. They were taught in breadth and depth if not according to the latest theories of easy learning, entertainment and avoiding "overloading". It seemed to result in good, logical, lateral thinking and the ability to use and link disparate ideas and fields.
In short: there are no short cuts.
Re: Very impressive, but not as free as I like
I too remember the unbundling of C. I seem to recall, but age rots the brain, however, I seem to recall that the unbundling was forced upon Sun and others by AT and T or one of those wonderful, American pseudo-legal anti-monopoly bodies, to give buyers more choice in the same way as, later MS was required to become more open to non-IE web browsers, possibly in response to the nagging of such as Stallman. It was a real pain for those of us used to what was a perfectly good compiler (good enough to build the operating system, X etc. at any rate) who now had to pay or get GNU CC and persuade management that "free" software was reliable and safe and spend unhappy hours getting hold of it, adjusting make files, making it compile, checking compatibility with system libraries and so on.
One forgets too that the likes of Sun, Pyramid and others were seen as a breath of fresh air and portability. BSD all ready existed, being the basis for most releases of UNIX and being pretty open, actually. So put Stallmann in perspective (still find Emacs to be a baroque mess that is just too heavyweight and requiring too much customising to be immediately useful, unlike vi). Even his GCC comes with a thousand options that can vary with the platform and, as for "long options" with "--". I see the point and avoid them at all costs, most software providing long and short versions. Eh? Clever chap; bit head up his own arse though.
The good thing is, GNU released the makers of the Linux kernel and, to a large extent, OSX, from the costly work of implementing the shell and its tools. Yes, OSX shell is mainly BSD and GNU.
Zealotry not withstanding, at one time, most proprietary systems came with source code and one could spend endless hours in internals courses for customers. It was said that Chinese students learnt UNIX, in the absence of sufficient computers, by studying the source code, before GNU and long before Linux or even Minix (probably the inspiration for Linux).
Re: I'll wait...
Wonder if that will follow or precede OSX Slough or OSX Crouch End.
Re: Worthwhile Features?
Heavens. I thought this was one of the few apostrophe uses that even the most illiterate could manage:
"Its" is the genitive, "of it"; "it's" is the abbreviation for "it is". It's been the convention for who knows how long in every variant of English, even American.
Re: run out of cats?
2000? Evidence? Or just spuddling? Anonymity for such a claim leads me to the latter conclusion.
Re: Jesus there's room for everyone..
Gosh, never seen a Mercedes or a Ferrari equated with Dacia, Ford or Chevrolet before. Well, well, well.
Re: Jesus there's room for everyone..
Your experience of Fords is clearly limited and your experience of better kit completely lacking.
In a good car/computer/tablet/phone/fridge ... the user should neither know nor care how it works. It should just work, just as if you buy a newspaper you need have no idea how it is printed or how the printing machines are filled with ink. If you need to know, it's either because it is so complex to use you need to understand it or because it breaks so often you can not afford the repair bills so do it yourself or it does not work at all. The most complex part should be how to fuel/charge/connect it. For the rest, concentrate on driving it, storing food in it or using it for your email, browsing, letters, spreadsheet or whatever its purpose is. After all, most people barely read the instructions, let alone care how it works. And that is how it should be.
This is why there are specialists in User Interfaces and why UIs are rather tricky to define, design and implement. It sounds as if you keep buying the ones that failed, so wasting money and not having enough left to buy the decent one you should have got in the first place.
"Buy cheap, pay dear", or, "penny wise, pound foolish". These sayings seem to be exemplified every day in these columns.
- World's OLDEST human DNA found in leg bone – but that's not the only boning going on...
- Lightning strikes USB bosses: Next-gen jacks will be REVERSIBLE
- Pics Brit inventors' GRAVITY POWERED LIGHT ships out after just 1 year
- Microsoft teams up with Feds, Europol in ZeroAccess botnet zombie hunt
- Storagebod Oh no, RBS has gone titsup again... but is it JUST BAD LUCK?