96 posts • joined 19 Jun 2009
Yes Apple is the liable entity no doubt.
When you say that the consumer purchased a product that didn't work well, do you have any data on that ?
I am guessing that the number affected is very small and Apple replaced and/or repaired any faults just like they do with all items so i cannot see what the lawyers are doing other than trying to make money.
Not the same
The Argentinians agreed, in writing to US Court jurisdiction - specifically the NY courts, in a limited set of circumstances, for specific bonds. They then took advantage of this agreement to get a loan , and are now refusing to accept the jurisdiction they previously agreed to, purely because they don't like the consequences of sticking to the agreement - like repaying 100% of the borrowers on the same terms.
This case is like the Argentinians trying to sell land on the Falkland Islands and getting all snippy when its pointed out the land isn't theirs.
welcome to the 21st century
Some of the comments herein suggest that this is all new fangled stuff. Its not.
Emirates long haul 380's and the occasional 777 ER aircraft have had in air wifi and OnAir mobile phone roaming, so a couple of things;
1. Wifi is severely congested on an aircraft where I pay $10 for about 100Mb of data - its good for messaging but forget everything else, even browsing. i doubt many people actually use it so an aircraft full of kiddies simply won't be a useable service.
2. Few people use the mobile phone option, as others have suggested as the facility is punitively expensive (good news there then)
I share peoples concern over the yakking 16 year old with a phone welded to their ear 24/7 no longer having to STFU during a flight. They might get away with it once, but when their parents get the first bill, then roaming suddenly becomes no longer an option on their tariff and sweet silence returns.
The biggest concern for me if it takes off (pun intended) is whether its very long before the first cellular phone blockers go active onboard a flight and those are going to be a worse scenario from a safety point of view.
Good article ....
Remember to choose the Ignore option, but to keep the mouse in the same place and you get the option to report as spam. If they do it enough, they lose their messaging privileges :)
The problem is not Netflix, or an upstream competition issue.
its the lack of consumer choice for the supplier of the connectivity to the home. If Comcast had real competition by say, five or six effective alternatives like in a lot of the rest of the developed world, then they would STFU and concentrate on being more competitive rather than figuring out how they can screw the customer who has no choice.
America gets what it wants and deserves for that choice.
"Yeah, sure: Dress it up and play sexy. Let's pretend every 11am call is of critical importance and all the cool cats in the office are taking them.
I'm calling 'horse-shit' on that, though.
Because we all know that 95% of 11pm calls are because someone has lost a password, failed to read an email properly, can't follow instructions, or just wants their hand held because they are being a scaredy-cat can't take the responsibility of making a decision on their own. Ergo: A waste of fscking time that they could have avoided by way of having to think for five minutes before reaching for the phone."
I understand your perspective but to imagine your rather narrow base of experience is somehow representative of how the rest of your organisation actually works is somewhat naive. You clearly have no involvement with fee paying clients who keep your company and you in money, and other such nice things. Your experience is somewhat limited to the narrow field you illustrate.
Just this Thursday afternoon (based in UAE so weekend started an hour later) client asks for a best and final offer on a proposal , by close of play Sunday. This involves liaison with the UK who work on a different weekend a different timezone. This will involve a lot of people on a deal trying to keep their jobs. I am not making this up - this did happen on Thursday. One of my guys is off on a flight to the UK today (Saturday) so he can work with the team there - who are sensible enough to decide themselves whether answering the phone is appropriate or not.
So what do we do - ignore all the calls on the Friday asking for advice, and then have them refuse to answer on the day before submission and the day itself ? or hope we are bidding against a French company who won;t even read the email regarding the deadline?
Losing that bid means a lot of people who are directly affected and to suggest this is unreal is somewhat silly on your part. Just because you are not in a client facing part of the organisation does not mean their experience is valid. They keep you in a job and maybe you ought to think about that next time you stand up for your rights to the point you pick up your P45.
Remember that clients don't owe you a living and they can take the business elsewhere, and that standing up for your rights is fine until you lose your job..
Fascinating. This reads just like a set of comments from the Guardian, from people whose jobs have never hung in the balance.
That is, okay in theory but in practice, unworkable. You can just see a group of people working on a 'must win or lose your job because the company folds' opportunity, simply turning off their mobile because the law says so. Try working in a multinational across timezone differences where this rule applies - because it will not. People will take their business elsewhere.
Fine, ignore the phone, ignore the email as instructed but when you come into work on Monday and find you have been out manoeuvred by a foreign company who used that extra time to do something which put them ahead of you. You lose that important piece of business, your company suffers, and ultimately you lose your job and end up wishing that someone would call you during their work hours while you sit around in your pyjamas.
Yes, it would be nice if such rules were universally applied across industry but such rules will never be applied in an international market like that on this plane of existence and doing it will eventually result in your business suffering and people will lose jobs as a result.
And God knows the French have enough problems with job creation without wondering how they will replace yet more lost jobs, due to another nail in the coffin of productivity.
Four icons or five ?
I don't spend any time looking at all these alleged images of lager iPhones, but all those I have seen, seem to show the same layout of icons as the iPhone 5.
If the screen were bigger, surely folks would increase the icon count per page ?
iPhone 3GS is still supported .....
in the Audi MMI. Along with the 4 as well. Cradles still available for both, but not for the 5 because its bit longer than the space in the armrest.
I have two Audis - one owned in the UK, one leased oversees and they already work fine with Apple.
Why on earth would I want to spoil a car by adding more toys and gimmicks to it ? As you have said, its unnecessary.
Streisand effect in action
Distressing as it would be for the family, perhaps if they hadn't made a big issue of it with the press, nobody would have come across it.
No, I didn't go and look.
Could someone explain ......
The article goes on about Apple profits compared with Android profits.....
I thought Android was a largely free OS which various manufacturers of hardware use, to power their phones and so any profits are mostly split up between the myriad of manufacturers, and the profits cover the hardware, distribution, manufacturing and of course some for the OS supplier.
Is the comparison valid then ? Can someone correct me please ?
Only a French manufacturing company could go for seven years of losses without being restructured surely.
Who else would put up with it ?
Apple won't have (as much of) problem because their profit per handset is much higher.
When volume drops HTC/Samsung will suffer, Apple less so.
Reasons for purchase are irrelevant.
It's just another Guardianista whinge
Anyone who suffers from low blood pressure should try reading the Guardian as its enough to make any sane persons blood boill with the rampant hatred, outright lies and utter contempt for the law and common sense.
It's become the Daily Mail of the left wing radicals and while it was originally the bastion of genuine concern for the poor and downtrodden it's only theme is take money from those who are successful and earn it and give it to those who are not because its unfair otherwise.
To the Guardianisa, consoles should be provided free on the NHS so everyone can have one without having the embarrassment of having to work for the money to buy one, and of course everyone who creates such a technological marvel should do it for free.
The communist party of the Soviet bloc had nothing on the frothing mouth lunatics of the Guardian CiF these days so the above article is a thinly veiled attempt at suggesting the manufacturers should ignore the entire economic system and give them away for free to their Socialist brothers down under, as nobody in the Znorthern hemisphere would give them the time of day.
Wouldn't it be simpler ?
To just have BT and other UK carriers, block any calls coming from overseas which do not have full CLI attached so at least the recipient knows its a call from overseas and treat it accordingly.
That way, the majority of calls from India for example, can be immediately spotted by the recipient and safely ignored. If the caller then buys a block of UK numbers to use, they pay out up front and then lose them if they spam thereby costing them a small fortune.
My current bane is from the 0843 410 XXXX lot who are working each of those 9,999 CLI's to make automated calls.
This is how it works ..
You go online and go to a foreign hosted website.
You order stuff and you pay with a credit card whose systems are hosted overseas.
The stuff you order is made overseas and is stored overseas.
Your order is sent from overseas to a marshalling store as part of a bulk consignment.
The stuff is delivered to your home by a local carrier or Royal Mail.
You are not nor ever have been, dealing with a UK company. If the laws were changed, they could move their warehouse to mainland Europe and post your stuff to you - it would cost more and you'd have to wait longer. And a lot of folks would lose their jobs.
Thats the reality and there is no way around it.
Anyone else really not care in the slighest ?
Too many outraged Muppets with low IQ's
You buy from a website hosted in a foreign country, owned by a foreign company, and you pay on a credit card whose offices are overseas, on a clearing system also overseas. The goods are made in a foreign country, and are shipped to the UK by a foreign courier, until they arrive in the UK, when the Royal Mail or equivalent, delivers them. They might stay in a storage unit in the UK for a couple of days before delivery and the staff are paid in the UK, pay UK taxes, the warehouse owner pays taxes, and the company pays NI.
So no, Amazon is not a UK company and doesn't pay much in the way of taxes. If they wanted to be awkward, they could pull out of the UK, close down the distributions centre, and move it to Calais, and post the goods from there, and there still won't be aUK company. there will alos be 10,000? less employees in the UK paying taxes, several more empty factory units, a whole lot less NI payments but at least no "UK companies' are avoiding anything.
Re: "Four buttons good, one button bad" ?
"Honestly, think about what you've just said there. You're advocating allowing people to die because they don't run fucking Android? Good man."
Its almost as daft as expecting to survive a scenario where they actually need to use a nationwide broadcast facility. If the event is that bad, you may well be better off not knowing the meteorite is coming and the type of handset is completely irrelevant. Besides which, even if your mobile doesn;t get the message, all the other folks around you will get it on theirs.
No, not exactly
"Google has piled money into its mapping software for years, having recognized that for many smartphone users (particularly those who drive), mapping is a very important application".
The majority of folks use the route planner on a computer, not on an iPhone. the iPhone options available are more expensive than a standalone unit so people who drive and have an iPhone are actually likely to be a vanishingly small number of iPhone users.
So many cars have satnav as standard so the utility of a mapping and route following programme is marginal at best.
Yeah, its far from good. It'll get better though eventually. Its not as if Google maps was perfect first time around is it ?
If you want informed debate, don;t involve the great British public.
Do we really want laws set by people who avidly watch X factor, Katie Price and One Direction ?
Anyone got a decent table which clarifies this ?
Seems ideal for a diagram with frequencies on one axis, and operators on another with phone capability mapped out on the area. I'm just confused ....
Re: Not for me
Not touching Apple because they don;t use USB ?
The phone charges off a USB port.
The phone charges off a USB plug.
You only need one charger - one with a USB port in it for £3 and you;re sorted.,
All the difference is, is a small cable costing 50p which you aready get with every phone.
And thats the best reason you can come up with ?
If you don't want to buy then fair enough but using that as an "excuse" is pretty pathetic.
Re: But who *will* bid for HMG's barely spec'd super-mega projects with 4 yr supplier selection?
The issue with breaking a large project down into smaller contracts is someone has to be responsible for making sure all the bits work when connected back up - something the government is utterly useless at doing as it has neither the skills or the intellect to do.
People frequently forget that most if not all of these 'blacklisted' companies have hundreds or thousands of satisfied, content clients plus the UK government. The problem is the Uk government, its contract structures, its failures to adhere to its side of the contract in almost all cases. Without HMG contracts, these companies would be smaller but do just fine.
Blacklisting wouldn't help in the slightest as eventually everyone gets blacklisted.
Re: Ever heard of a hole? And things that go bump in the night
Yeah, burying delicate electronics six feet under the ground isn;t going to cause any heating problems is it?
And we never have any rain in the Uk so its not as if they would flood either or get filled with dirt ?
Do we sue roadbuilders ?
If people break the law on the road, are the road builders responsible for policing the road ? No. Those whose laws are broken (the government) does the collection of evidence and hands it to the courts to consider/prosecute.
The same should apply to the interwebs pipes - those who allege someone is breaching their copyright should collect the evidence before asking the authorities to prosecute, not ask the ISP to do their job for them.
TFl staff don't process any transactions on most Oyster cards - you top up at a machine using a CC/DD or do it online. Instead of one CC transaction (charges apply) and them multiple Oystercards (no charges) we would have multiple CC charges. Try getting a CC transaction authorised in M&S on a busy saturday afternoon in Oxford Street and it takes seconds as a minimum, with maybe 20 or 30 tills going in the shop at a time. Then try it with Waterloo Station gates at rush hour and you have something like 20 people a second trying to get through all the gates. It simply does not stack up.
There are absolutely no upsides to given TFL access to peoples CC's at ticket points.
Don''t try and fix what isn't broken.
Why bother ?
Just don't install the new FTTC systems at all and have a nice set of the objection letters to hand, and every time someone tries to order a new, faster line, send them a copy of the objection and ask the requester to sort a few of these folks out.
No reason why an operator should increase its cost base because the locals 'do not like the look of something'.
Next thing the locals will object to will be cars older than 12 months old or anything that doesn't require a second mortgage to insure.
maybe they could allow O2 users .....
to access the site to replace the removal of access to "The Cloud" and for the parlous state of the Openzone access spots there days.
I call Openzone 'CloseZone' these days as the vast majority of their hotspots clutter up your wifi choices, and are either not actually connected to the internet, or are chargeable, so one has to set devices to forget Openzone.
BT Openzone is also less than worthless
I have given up with O2 wifi offering on my phone these days - the Openzone hotspots are so polluted by a massive ratio of non-inclusive Openzone hotspots that its practically impossible to find one that you get as part of your inclusive bundle, and with them having the correct SSID, you find you're connected but effectively 'off the air' until you turn wifi off.
As soon as my contract with O2 is up, I am off to someone who actually provides a workable wifi bundle.
BT 'ClosedZone' more like
Spot on - with so many businesses using O2 broadband but not allowing people to use the Openzone 'free' function (as is their right) its a royal PITA when your phone is always having to connect to what it thunks is an available Openzone connction when 9/10 times in London its not open..
I would rather O2 took away Openzone and lef the Cloud alone.
Openzone should have used different network names for the public PAYG variety and the O2 'its in the bundle' sort. But that would be too simple I guess.
Shutting the door after the horse has bolted and died of old age ....... some people never know when they have lost !
Door left open ....
Nurse, Nurse, someone has left the door open at the asylum again and they have found their way to a computer and the comments page.
Someone get him/her a nice drink of milk and a cookie please and get them back into bed.
and you you are all nutters.
If it ain't broke ....
........ why try to fix it ?
There is zero need to do away with the Oyster card - its cheap, it works, its safe and all the system needs is a few tweaks. I can top up with cash and TFL have no bank details of mine to lose, be stolen or leak. There's no way anyone at TFL is getting me to use a contactless bank card on one of their machines - its difficult enough with banks protecting their ATM's from skimmers so somehow I doubt TFL are going to have the money, inclination or skill to protect their machines as well. Some rather clever Eastern European gang will soon have figured out a way to get money out of folks cards and as TFL cannot make large predictable boxes move on fixed tracks with any predictability, I somehow doubt they will have a snowballs chance in h*ll of protecting folks bank cards.
I'll be one of the 'disadvantaged' still using Oyster as longa s it continues to exist.
Strike 2 and still out
The backbone of the London Underground communications infrastructure was a project called CONNECT. It was let in about 1996 to be finished in 2003 and is still incomplete. Ir was to cover both the extended radio network required by the 1987 Kind Cross Recommendation and the need for a digital backbone to carry all its communications services until 2020-ish. It was another PFI which was subject to the usual massive changes in specification, and delays brought about by the inability to allow the contractors access to the sites to undertake work.
Note that the TETRA infrastructure system in the Underground is still incomplete on two major line (Northern and Central I believe), and does not support the police, fire and emergency services ubiquitously as envisaged.
No National Audit Office report has been carried out, as to why nearly 10 years after its original completion date, it still is not. The person who signed the contract at London Underground is not a Peer of the realm.
Personally I wouldn't waste my time wit them anymore - if they want to buy kit, fair enough but the minute they get into design, we are back to a customised design which ignores the already working systems elsewhere in the word. Thats one way to keep TfL staff in a job !
You're missing the point ....
Apple can't have invented *everything*True but they don't claim that - just that the others have slavishly copied Apples work ?
"I foresee the day when the Far East decides the US just isn't worth the effort. " It will never happen - the Far East are fantastic imitators and copiers, but don't generate a fraction of the ideas of the west. Thats why there are no Chinese products out there that the west craves. All they do is make our stuff. Everything is imitation.
When was the last time that far east companies came up with anything that wasn't a copy of something created in the West ? Sony Walkman I think, but even thats pushing it as it was just a smaller copy of something that already existed.
How about they finish 3G coverage first ?
Given the huge swathes of the UK with large populations which still do not have decent coverage, they they should not be granted 4G until they have finished 3G infill.For example, one major commuter line into London, has large stretches of neither 3G nor 2.5G coverage and no, its not in a cutting. The whole of the Isle of Wight is no-go for O2 despite their alleged 100% coverage. The list is endless before one even start talking about motorway network.
Nail on the head ...
Future phones will ship with the adapter and no charger and no cable, which will become an extra which you can buy if you need it.
So many people have the Apple cables as well that those don't need to be replaced with every iDevice bought. There are so many iPhones out there in total that the percentage of people effectively buying a replacement must be quite high and so not getting a new charger and not getting a new cable is ...... meh !
I still have my old Firewire cables off the iPod Mini .....
Complete drivel ....
The whole point is that one company spent billions developing something and then another came along and copied a whole chunk of it, and you mistakenly think this is about choice. Its not, its about theft. I conclude from your initial statement that you are the sort of person who downloads music for free to avoid paying the originator.
There are plenty of alternative phones out there and Apple is restricting none of them. All it is doing is saying that if you want to design something then fair enough, but don't peel the label off my kit design and sell it as your own.
WTF has registering an iPad got to do with theft ? If I buy a car, it has a car key that I have to get from the manufacturer. thats not restricting my choice as there are alternative cars out there.
Buy Apple kit if you want, or not as you decide but stop moaning that Apple won't do business just to suit you.
If you want to buy Samsung, then buy Samsung but ffs stop moaning because you want to buy Apple with a Samsung label on because you mistakenly believe you have a right to tell Apple how to run their business just to suit you.
You sir, are the classic "entitlement kiddie" who thinks they have the right to decide how others operate. When you grow up, have a real job and find yourself being ripped off by someone copying you, then I will have a really good laugh however I somehow doubt you will ever originate anything but would instead try and copy someone elses design as its easier that having an original thought.
Yes, but .....
No one has yet managed to decommission fully any nuclear carrier so while you are right that its a cost concern, it is also environmental.
All the US obsolete ones lurk in Virginia, the Russians have dumped theirs on the shores somewhere and so the last thing anyone needs is more nuclear reactors around. Whereas a sub can run for six months plus on nuclear can stay submerged without supplies, the same isn't true of a carrier. It has to be resupplied, and so while they are at it, they can refuel.
Its all down to the individual
I have been working at home now for two years and find I am a lot more productive overall. Yes I have quiet days (like today, train in an hour so not much worth doing before then) whereas other days its 0800 to 2000 with stops for lunch and dinner with the better half acting as tea lady and cook.
Saturday and Sunday have become like old style work days - we never shop on those days as the 9-5 bunch are clogging up the shops so we either do the accounts, garden or anything else that keeps us at home. No point going out when everyone else is blocking the roads.
I am lucky to have a full office at home, so its easier to hide away and as I hate most crap on the TV, daytime TV is no attraction at all.
There is no right and wrong, just people making choices.
Sorry to rain on your parafe
The taxpayer does pick up the bill.
The Fujitsu contact is negotiated with the HMRC periodically, on a non-competitive basis and all Fujitsu has to show is that is cost base has gone up, and the HMRC pays more. The shareholders get the same non-competitive rate of return and are unaffected.
The public pays because we have no say and cannot use a cheaper alternative service.
This is not really a private sector business unit, but a public sector one that got TUPE'd over but which is still given a single stream of business with no competition, and able to choose what price it charge.
"And it's stopping them benefiting from new collaborative technologies, says ClearSwift Research."
For 90% of ther working population ....... b***ocks. people have been goofing off for years and Facebook just allows them to do it while presenting the semblance of working.
Simple solution we had at work - single machine in the middle of the room, with unrestricted internet access, but logins required to use it to 'benefit from new collaborative techniques'. Oh, and no access to shared folders, files etc so anything that you want to upload has to go on a flash drive so no excuses for accidental disclosure. Usage levels were monitored but not what was actually done. needless to say the machine had a direct link and no access to the rest of the network.
Worked a treat.
Well duh ....
Perhaps Cupertino isn't actually on the 20th yet ?
Apple always release on Apple time, not Greenwich.
Dropbox is great, as long as you only want one Dropbox accessible (or two at a push) as folders, at a time. I work with several clients simultaneously and it was great to access each others iDisk storage areas to keep stuff completely separate
How do I have several folders on my desktop with access to other clients individual 'Dropbox' style storage areas, without iDisk ?
iWeb is bu**ger - as has been said, quick and easy to use for us who have better things to do than code, so any bright sparks know of an equivalent as time is not being marked.
Agreed but there is more.
They need Exchange access without having to have a BES.
I would have changed to a BB from my iPhone to get at the better battery life, but it means paying more for access to my Exchange server. No good reason for it at all. iPhone does it directly, Android does it .... BB doesn't.
I want and need access to all my online email and if everyone else provides this then the BB feature of limiting access or paying more is bizarre.
And no, I don;t want to set up my own BES - for small companies a hosted exchange server does all that is needed and we demographic won't pay more for the convenient of RIM.
Now the NSA will be listening in .....
So once Skype is MS owned and US controlled, all the security goes out the window as the US government forces MS to hand over the security keys so it can listen in on calls?
Maybe thats the logic behind the purchase - US State Department tells MS to buy it in return for going easy on it in other areas ?
Bang goes any chance of a private conversation without the US listening in.
Who says data is being collected ?
Its on your phone, in your possession, and on your computer.
Anyone got any evidence at all that a third party has collected it ?
Just because you have a brain and a mouth doesn't mean you only have to use one at a time.
Yes you did
It was in the T&C's of the Line Agreement - there;s a box to tick for Ex-Directory which you must not have ticked.
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