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Nokia Lumia 710

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@Witty

The whole concept of merging difference media feeds has been tried repeatedly (and before WP7 went public) and it's a marmite feature, you love it OR hate it. I've tried a few of the Android apps that aggregate feeds, the built in Timescape version on my Play and whatever HTC shipped and just don't get on with it.

Which leaves me grateful it's purely optional, even though every manufacturer seems to ship with their own take on aggregation enabled its always trivial to disable. Worth remembering some of the brand loyalty to Samsung/HTC/SE is people liking the particular tweaks added over base Android.

Right now I let GMail aggregate most of my email accounts but isolate some in the Mail app, feed Twitter through Go SMS along with texts and Talk does it's own thing. Makes it easy to prioritise dealing with everything and hard to lose track of what I'm responding to. The flood with them all aggregated was overwhelming. That soaks up more space on my homescreen but Android gives me 20 slots per homescreen so there's less demand to combine them than with WP7s lower tile limit.

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RIM: We topped December smartphone sales chart

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Blackberry is the phone of choice when you don't have a choice but your boss does.

Blackberry. The rioters friend.

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T-Mobile hails first 'truly unlimited' smartphone tariff

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obligatory giffgaff pimpage

1st? giffgaff dropped their umlimited everything £35 tariff more than a year ago, after crooks realised they could resell minutes and make a tidy profit. Hopefully T mobile will be proactive enough to avoid that problem or this product is on shaky ground.

That said, the carrier is much better able to handle the costs of that scam than an MVNO paying pro rata for the usage and if restricted to contract more able to find the culprits.

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Yet I get flat rate internet data and have done for longer than I remember, at least back to the 14400 dialup modem era! bandwidth is the ultimate perishable product, gone instantly whether used or not with low incremental cost. That makes unmetered a viable choice unlike the physical products you list.

Whether the explicitly throttle or just let contention limit use automatically remains to be seen.

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Dumb salesmen are hurting us – Nokia CEO

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It was going so well but you just couldn't resist knocking iOS. Apart from antennagate I dont remember much complaint about iPhone as a voice phone and a great deal of envy over visual voicemail on it.

Credibility pissed away in iust a few words.

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Doesn't fully match my conversations with friends,family & acquaintances. I don't sit and have bizarre and improbable group discussions about phones though ;)

What I see is a bunch of non-smartphone users where perhaps 1 in 5 could tell me what brand their phone was without looking. I don't personally know anyone that chose their dumb or featurephone based on hardware brand this century, they bought the cheapest offer on the day or for the features they wanted. Or in many cases didn't buy at all, just took what they were given. To the extent brand mattered it's about which unreliable ones to avoid.

The iPhone users I wont comment on, the BB user has no choice (and hate's it).

Of the Android users, some seem to have strong brand loyalty to Samsung or HTC - but its clear from conversation their actual choice was a HTC Android or a Samsung Android or a Sony Ericsson Xperia Android (I jest not). My brother just asked which cheap Android phone to buy, completely brand agnostic.

This is what Elop got very wrong, smartphone buyers seem to have brand loyalty to both the hardware AND the OS running on it. Everyone but Nokia covered that by offering multiple OS choices.

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variation is designed out of WP7

...but WP7s deliberate lack of fragmentation means this simply cant happen! (Yes, channelling one of the favourite strawman arguments against Android ;)

Seriously, how do you build cheap WP7 devices if the minimum allowed spec BOM forces mid-range pricing? Even worse, how do you create a premium version if all you can change is the camera, screen size (but not resolution) and throw in a little more Flash and MHz.. (Mhz the fan's persistently claim aren't needed because it's already 'buttery smooth' ;)

I understand the value in having a consistent platform but WP7 takes it too far. AFAIK there's more variation across the iPhone range than the entire WP7 market!

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someday maybe they'll tell me why I might want WP7

Elop is right to blame Nokia for not giving any leadership on promotion but totally wrong to put any blame on the floor shop staff.

Since the launch one thing has stood out: the entire PR hierarchy have been very good at telling me why I shouldn't buy 'another OS' and very bad at telling me why I should buy WP7. From lowly astroturfer ground troops to free Lumia wielding journos&developers and even Microsoft+Nokia execs, the story has been consistently fuzzy and WP7 content free.

But no-one stopped to consider that attacking the competition doesn't automagically drive customers to your product, with a major concentration on knocking Android, the message comes across as 'buy *anything* but Android or Apple' not 'buy WP7'. Where anything could as easily be BB or featurephone as WP7.

Given the state of US politics maybe that negative PR will work there, it doesn't go down well in Europe and the sales reflect that. Doesn't help that the lower down drones persistently describe things I value in Android as faults, they can't even hilight the real problems properly.

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Untangling the question of antimatter mass

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The enormous difference in field strength means the errors in measuring the electric field would drown out the gravitational measurement. It's not a practical experiment. They're making electrically neutral atoms to remove the need for EM fields.

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Billions of net-ready boxes in homes by 2016

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Quite a lot of people already have unlimited broadband but it's only half the solution. IP TV is usually a distinctly lo-fi experience compared to even the poorest of broadcast channels, overcompressed and/or low res, it's sometimes enough to make the eyes bleed.

Until broadcasters choose to supply higher quality feeds and afford the associated bandwidth to allow it IPTV will be a 2nd rate experience. Even the supposed benefits of on-demand viewing aren't enough compensation for the compulsory advertising so many providers make unskippable.

In a world full of PVRs it's usually a better experience recording off air than watching over the Internet so it's hard to believe broadcast will die.

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Small pile of cash, dying platform: 2011 is bad news for Nokia

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combined with the Facebook results

We don't know if they can't make them fast enough or if the channel is full and not buying, which has a major effect on guesstimates... though maybe it's both and shipments are falling of a cliff right now!

Anyway... the most optimistic projection is Nokia have 1m of that 1.3m Facebook count and Nokia have jumped straight to 1st place against HTC&Samsung. In reality a guesstimate that half the handsets are still in a warehouse and only half the Lumia users were counted @FB would still look good for a 3month vs >12month share, with Nokia still grabbing the biggest share of the small WP7 pie monthly sales. Maybe the Nokia brand is actually still working for them?

I actually think a lot more than 50% are still in the warehouse, that most Nokia fans have either bought one already or never will, inflating the 1st quarter sell through. I suspect Nokia are at rough parity with the others, just keeping up with handsets the others don't seem to promote or even want to sell.

The USA is going to be so much worse, with no brand recognition and a history of failure. Trying to break America is both a sign of desperation and a clear indicator of who's really in charge - Microsoft can't be seen failing in their home market and will send Nokia to their death trying to break in.

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"HTC are dumping Windows"

While was an easily predicted outcome if Microsoft really did give Nokia an insider advantage, I still suspect it rather depends on the terms of their patent licence with Microsoft. It wouldn't be the 1st time Microsoft made an offer that couldn't be refused (the PC 'tax' for example) and they're happy to do the damage today and argue the legalities years later in court.

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New Euro IP law promises artists torpedoes to sink pirates

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collective management of rights

Translation: too many creatives have escaped their middlemen and gone direct to customers, how can we yank them back into slavery? How about an offer they literally can't refuse?

Cynical? Been ripped off by too many publishers.

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O2 leaks 3G users' mobile numbers to every website visited

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The good news is: if you start getting premium SMS (as happened to some users recently) you have a big stick to hit O2 with. Hiding behind 'you must of have signed up to it, talk to PhonePayPlus' is not a viable escape clause for them any longer.

It's about time the networks were forced to hand control of reverse charges to customers and provide compulsory free barring support, the current system is an invitation to abuse. On O2 I can bar premium shortcodes but only combined with barring international calls, they really don't want to do it and will do what it takes to discourage users.

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looks like the crooks spotted this last year

That would explain the bunch of text spam that started over xmas, the 1st time I used 3G data for quite some time and the crap started a few days in. Really must visit less dodgy sites I suppose ;)

There were a lot of premium text spam scams being reported on giffgaff late last year. I'm ready to believe this is actively being used by sms spammers.

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Reding's 'right to be forgotten' bill polarises Euro biz world

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...and a large number of clueless pillocks giving away their own privacy for any reason, voluntary or not, should not affect MY rights or make this 'not worthwhile'. Getting away with this for so long does not make it right.

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Facebook sheds light on Nokia's Lumia sales

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Sony Ericsson another Faceplant infestation

Something like 10 or 12 APKs to remove to clean the FB infection on 2011 Xperia's. The good thing is you root and just delete them and the only thing that breaks is Facebook, I suspect it's a lot more complex to rid WP7 of it even rooted.

...and I'll have to do it again when ICS ships :( No doubt SE will find a few apps that don't yet have FB integration and up the APK count some more.

Maybe I'll get round to nuking SE "Timeline" as well, the feature that finally convinced me jumbling all your 'social network' feeds into 1 place is an incredibly bad idea. That's another dozen pointless APKs festering away in /system. Oh dear, is that one of the supposed selling points of WP7?

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"what is to stop Google from just sitting on the asses?"

Nothing. But the beauty of OSS is they can't stop someone else doing it anyway. With Amazon already forking Android and others capable of the same, Google would be committing suicide if they tried being that lazy. They don't have enough closed source content in Android to protect themselves.

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Google+ lets in nicknames, slams door on plebs' pseudonyms

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does anyone care that G+ don't want into the mass media end?

If you're already making up an identity to share with people you don't know it hardly matters which privacy raping service you feed lies to. If Google don't want that trade that's Googles problem, why does anyone care?

TBH it seems like a bloody good idea to me to separate that public persona from your real identity by running them on completely different services. Talk to friends and family on G+, the world on Faceplant and lie,lie,lie everywhere. If that makes it harder for them to link all your information, that's great.

I'll start worrying when Google inevitably work that out and start pandering to these demands, they won't do it for *your* benefit. Right now the temptations not really there with G+, the 'can't turn it down' adjunct to gmail.

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Watchdog bites Nokia over Lumia 800 TV 'flash ads'

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chasing the dregs of the market, in all meanings of 'dregs'

I'm inclined to believe Nokia/Microsoft are actually targeting people too stupid to notice it was sponsorship... after all it's C5, a channel that needs a big channel dog to remind its comatose viewers which channel they're watching - as if the endless dross+CSI combo wasn't enough.

This late in the smartphone migration almost everyone that wants a smartphone has one and Microsofts continuing failure to advertise the WP7 features won't make many switch. The deliberate holdouts aren't volunteering. Seems believable they're targeting the leftovers too lazy to think or too stupid to understand the alternatives... which falls in nicely with showing a bright plasticky handset instead of trying to explain its USP!

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Networks nag Nokia to lower Lumia levy

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2.2 vs 2.3

"Although 2.3 is better than 2.2, it didn't seem worth the effort for an incremental change."

Depending on how they configured 2.2 on the Wildfire it may be a much bigger step up than you believe. Quite a few 2.2 releases had JIT disabled by default, AFAIK all 2.3.x releases default it enabled. Makes things a bit smoother. Concurrent garbage collection should make a very noticeable difference on low spec devices as well.

I think that's when they started turning on GPU acceleration as well but again the Wildfire's low spec does you no favours.

2.3 doesn't look like a big improvement but it does run a lot smoother. Lag in 2.3.4+ is usually a 1off thing, soon as the JIT kicks in it vanishes on my Play.

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Intel chieftain outlines broad tablet, smartphone blitz

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SOCs of this performance aren't Intels strength

I'm feeling a whole lot of 'what's he smoking'.

Combining the baseband and application processor is hardly a radical new idea, so playing catchup there.

Intel still haven't worked out how to build a really low power CPU, at least compared to their competition. So playing catchup from well behind there.

Intels history of building GPUs is embarassing and I think they probably underestimate how important getting that right is. We're well past the days when it had to decode 720p video just fast enough and into PS2 era rendering performance. Intel might manage the raw performance, what they've never managed is low power consumption or drivers and hardware that actually work.

Maybe they'll integrate someone else's GPU, I expect them to try to grab more of the licence revenue by using their own half assed designs though. They seem to have a real problem licensing 3rd party cores and splitting the profits with anyone else recently so they'll probably balls that up.

Oh well, I see some nice cheap devices in the near future, while they try to buy their way into the market and again when the unwanted stuff gets remaindered. Just don't expect to be playing games on them ;)

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Windows Phone to overtake iOS in 2015

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Haven't you heard? Microsoft just pulled a 'Nokia' on WebOS, putting their own man in to sabotage the company. WebOS is more likely to be a burnt platform before 2015 than revived.

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MIT boffins devise faster Fast Fourier transform

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repeat after me: its NOT AN FFT

Its NOT an FFT. It's not even an FT.

It's better described as a Direct Fourier APPROXIMATION, completely skipping any domain transform and guestimating (with high probability) the dominant fourier components. The point is, by not even attempting to compute the full result it can beat O(n log n). It's only interesting because FFT's are following by decimation in so many real life uses.

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@Michael

You really need to read the paper, the Reg's description has no useful information about how it works or in fact what it does.

To the extent I understand the paper, it appears to filter its frequency bins in the time domain. By assuming each bin is dominated (or in the special case only contains) a single frequency it's trivially easy to sample the remaining sine wave to deduce its exact frequency and phase. The filter design seems to be about cleanly splitting the bins so that its safe to further process signals in just each bin rather than the entire source sample.

One worry is the algorithm is probabilistic, the quoted times are *expected runtime* and they don't make clear what the worst case is or how small a sample would provoke them. For audio encoding I can see an adaptive search seeded by the previous frame would fix this and this might be useful in real life with masking effects allowing quite ruthless frequency decimation.

For video encoding they misrepresent the nature of DCT block based coding. We don't pick a number of fourier addends up front and throw away all the others (the 57 of 64 argument), we compute them all *then* let the arithmetic decimate them dynamically and automatically. With no search being made, an inherently messier signal and a lower ability to simply discard components compared to audio it looks like a bad fit. I'd say that would scale to non-block based encodings as well.

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EU probes 'nature of concerns' from Google rivals

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Foundems last gasp?

Even if Google have been naughty, Foundem still don't have a case and I suspect this delay just reminded them the games about to end. So one last PR ejaculation before even the G haters start ignoring them.

...some companies simply don't need to exist.

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Sony Ericsson announces pre-slurp loss

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"Our fourth quarter results reflected...

...an astonishing level of overpricing frightening customers away"

I mean, £500 for a Play? Didn't shift at £350 either.

What worries me is the whackjobs at Sony will think Sony is a stronger brand than Sony Ericcson and worth charging even more for. Where in reality Ericcson was a reminder there was someone holding Sony back from their usual customer abusing madness, someone with a reputation in mobile.

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GiffGaff mobile network goes titsup for 3 weeks

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nothing changes at giffgaff, they never rush to fix customers problems

Compared to the 12-15months it took them to *start* investigating why some credit cards wouldn't work/work more than once, this is a lightning fast response! AFAIK they've still never revealed what they found but the reports stopped at the same time they allowed us to delete stored cc details... which were visibly wrong on my account but not editable.

I'm not really sure why the problems have got this much worse recently, dropping BB support and advertising to slow the flood of new users happened well before this current bunch of problems. Did they just sit on their arses instead of frantically upgrading? They rather conspicuously didn't hire enough new support staff, they've been almost absent from the support site ever since then.

This is the normal state of giffgaff though, complete absence of forward planning keeping the service firmly flaky. It's cheap for a reason...

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Motorola repels US import ban bid by Apple

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Xmas actually accelerates Dixons sales drop

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that recent price war

The recent price war with BestBuy cant have done Dixons/PCWorld/Currys profit margins any good.

...reminds me, must check if Bestbuys closing down sale has started actually reducing anything ;)

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10 years ago today: Bill Gates kicks arse over security

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You confuse level of activity with level of security.

A UNIX inspired system is secure by design, failures are almost all implementation errors, fixing them doesn't break user apps (unless they were already broken). With a working security model there's simple less work to be done. Adding mitigation support like address randomisation and noexec blocks is a failsafe, not primary security, something wise to do but secondary.

Windows started as a deliberately insecure system that has accreted layer after layer of bolted on security and individual hole patches. It's hardly surprising there's more visible activity in the Win world, they're trying to patch their way to the position UNIX started at. Because they baked in the poor security design long ago every fix has a serious risk of breaking apps and brings ever more complexity (and fragility) to the shuddering heap.

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@Steve Davies 3 - Autopatcher

Autopatcher solved the multiple reboot mess for XP, can't comment on how well it works with Win7 so take a backup before trying.

http://www.autopatcher.com/forums/topic/2462-autopatcher-updater-apup-download/

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@Ken Hagan

...when did Adobe get to import masses of userspace code into the kernel, Microsofts ongoing huge mistake? A mistake founded on their continuing preference for screwing competitors over looking after customer security, accompanied by an unjustified belief in the quality of the their own code.

What Adobe tells us though is you don't even need the special privileges Microsoft give their own userspace software to break a Windows system, Adobe may be shite but security failures in their shitware are also failures in the underlying OS.

Windows is still based on adding security to a fundamentally unsecured OS, this is security by moving target. If only the snipers weren't quicker than Microsoft.

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Skype is coming to Windows Phone - really

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how long till its the only VOIP allowed on WP7?

Wonder if Microsoft have plans to outlaw all other VOIP on WP7. I can believe some in MS planning would see it as a way to drive Skype installs on other platforms, the foundation of some imagined future monopoly. Wouldn't be hard to kill all non-Skype gateways into the system to force Skype installs.

Personally I'm happy with Androids provider agnostic VOIP support and picking my own service provider, who currently undercut Google on pricing.

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HTC Explorer budget smartphone

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90Mb is too little free space

I cant believe anyone would launch a new Android with just 90Mb user space. Even knowing how to send apps to SD that's a low limit but how many of the users this is targeted at will know how? Especially with so many apps that need root to force over to SD and monsters chewing 5-10Mb or more of precious space each. 1st time Google Maps updates that's 6Mb burnt (the current slim line version - used to be 12Mb+). This has disappointment written all over it.

Or is this just a cunning plan to hook users then catch the early upgrade when they suddenly can't install any more apps a few months down the line?

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Nokia partners with EA in major WinPho game push

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@Tzael - really?

...'cause I've yet to see one in the wild. Or hear it. Or hear anyone talk about it in the real world.

Come to think of it, I've yet to see one on display in a shop. Presumably they've got them in CPW and some of the carriers shops, ready for the next 24monthly upgrade cycle. But all those other places like Dixons, Tesco's etc. that might build some brand awareness outside the upgrade grind - no actual phones, even when they have the promo boards.

Before bribing floor staff Microsoft and Nokia need to shove some bungs at the buyers. Hard to collect a bounty on something your boss declined to stock. Or to demo games ;)

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last to the party again

...meanwhile I'm already playing some of those games on my Android phone ;)

I wonder if this sets a precedent, WP7 always last to get the game, after iOS and Android? Maybe even after J2ME and Symbian releases...

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Imagination uncloaks 'over 20X faster' smartphone GPU

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Long ago I optimised a video codec for a 16x SIMD vector unit. At the end, when I'd run out of things to parallelise, in the worst case only 10% of runtime was spent in the vector code - the bitsream en/decoding is inherently serial and soaked up the rest. No improvement to the vector path could then give more than 10% improvement.

There's little point having a 20x faster vector path without a balanced improvement in the scalar path to keep the vector unit fed. For the tasks a phone is expected to do, this will give better game rendering, *might* shave a tiny bit off video decoding power consumption but otherwise is wasted silicon. There aren't suitable workloads to throw at it.

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Republican pol rips online piracy bill, defends Google

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Up till now the backers thought they'd bought the vote without the public waking up. The the word got out to enough of the public that astroturfing became necessary... well, it's a theory.

It's a lot easier to spot when Microsoft do it because they never stop ;)

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Polaroid develops Android camera combo

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"What has that got to do with a Polaroid camera?"

Hands up, not having a good day. That'll teach me to stay up all night playing games ;)

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Virgin Media to push out nimble new broadband speeds

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...even when I hit throttling on my 10Mbit cable, just pause the Torrent or download and the throttled connection is still fast enough for 'normal' use by my wife and I. The only thing that becomes unusable is OnLive streaming, iPlayer etc. still work. I'd imagine on a faster cable connection even OnLive would remain usable throttled.

To be fair, you will notice massive downloads taking a few hours longer, like the 8Gb Batman install yesterday. But it was going to take forever anyway ;)

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GiffGaff boots freetards off mobile network

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giffgaff history

Apologies for the shitty formatting, the Reg has screwed up big time. Might help some understand how gg painted themselves into this corner, especially the attack drones swarming here from the mother hive who presumably weren't with giffgaff when this happened ;) giffgaff launched before completing their billing platform, that meant they could not charge for data. For marketing reasons they offered free data for the 1st 6 (or was it 9?) months, with the clear understanding they would then start charging. So far no problems, people got slapped for exceeding the stated limits but it went smoothly enough. Then O2 decided they preferred building new infrastructure to supplying the missing support to giffgaff - not really surprising after OFCOM ordered them to sort their network out or lose the licence. Became obvious whatever contracts giffgaff have gave them no power to compel O2 to deliver. Still wasn't a problem, they extended the free data offer every time O2 postponed delivery and I assume O2 had to swallow the costs. Everything carried on as usual. Then giffgaff asked users what the really hated about other networks: number 1 answer, the word unlimited not meaning unlimited. Around the same time they needed to decide data pricing. And that's when it all went very wrong. Seems a simple choice really, just don't use the word unlimited, instead of devious FUP limits just be open upfront. But they still had a problem, O2 still hadn't delivered the billing support... and carried on not delivering. And they still needed to look like a really good deal to suck customers in. So gg basically just gave away data, closely tied to actually buying voice minutes and hoped averaged over all users it would work out. The problem is the market is shifting toward smartphones and the dumbphone users supposed to dilute the averages are a vanishing species. More important, giffgaff don't seem to have the balls to backtrack lest they frighten off the low data users that actually are profitable. Strangely they did have the balls to screw over their lowest users in another attempt to subsidise the data hogs, with rate rises last year that disproportionately apply to PAYG users. Explained away as a way for all users to share the pain, I still fail to understand how increased SMS rates affect their bundle users unlimited SMS allowance! giffgaff are trapped by their own past problems and mistakes and visibly losing their headline 'community' focus in favour of more traditional shitting on their customers.
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@nichomach

What makes you think the down voters aren't gg users? I am a giffgaff user, have been since they started. I wish I could down vote you more than once. The giffgaff community is a hive mind that ruthlessly stamps on any deviation from its rose tinted opinions. I can see how you might have mistaken that for universal support for giffgaff's shambolic management, manipulative community management and business practices rapidly matching every other provider for sleight of hand and general 'screw the customer' attitude. A company that openly states it does not need to comply with EU law and had most of you supporting them!
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Nokia sheds light on latest Lumia

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@Jim - you forget the market range covered

Owners of cheap Android phones are:

1: likely to be disappointed with the experience and blame Android, not the cheap hardware

2: unlikely to switch to a substantially more expensive WP7,IOS or better Android phone

47% aren't all looking for a better smartphone, many are looking for a better *cheap* phone, neither IOS or WP7 delivers that. Androids loss will be largely to feature phones and some of the cheapskates won't be happy whatever they buy. At the high end defections happen both directions, if WP7 ever launches a real high end phone they can join the 3 way traffic ;)

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Official: The smartphones that suck much more than others

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...or I could theorise that the ones able to afford a shiny new 'this years model' iPhone are also the ones able to afford to pay for lots of data.

'cause if you're not hammering it on giffgaff or "3", data use can involve a 2nd mortgage in the UK - I assume its not much better elsewhere.

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Maybe this poster is a dev and keeps phones for testing... ;)

...and the wife likes to have one herself which get's lumped into that list!

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cloud syncing getting more pervasive quickly

With features like automatic movie and photo uploading appearing in Android this is going to get much worse very fast. My phones all have better upload rates than my broadband... well on a good day they do - thanks to O2!

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Microsoft's master stroke: Pay store staff per WinPhone sold

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@a_been

Did you read some supersecret email different to the ones in the case? the rubin mail is the smoking gun on Google putting the lawyers to work on how to work round a licensing problem. The court will decide if they did enough to avoid infringement.

The fight to keep them out is about just how clueless a jury will be when Oracle misrepresents this. Based on your post I its a pretty legitimate concern.

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