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Re: Yet more android fragmentation FUD ..
Are you seriously suggesting that Windows will run faster on low end phones than Android?
To answer your question in a word: Yes. The more complicated answer is... More complicated. WP7 was fast, even on the worst hardware it used. There are 2 reasons for this. Firstly it did less. For example, Android has had full multi-tasking for a while. I'm not personally convinced that's 100% a good thing, given that there are only some apps that should really need it on a phone. Although it's better to have the option, obviously. MS kept that goodness for only their own apps, so obviously the phones needed less RAM and weaker processors. When Win Pho first hit the market, their hardware requirements weren't far off top-end Droids, but MS actually lowered the hardware requirements by making the OS more efficient over about 18 months of updates. In the same time, Android got better, did more, but also got more 'bloated'. Hardware requirements for a reasonable phone therefore went up. So I'd argue that at the low end, Android got worse than WP7 on the same hardware.
Users buying cheaper phones are likely to be less demanding - so less OS shinies for lower hardware specs is a fair trade to make. I've seen some pretty stuttery and crappy low-end Droids. I've owned one as well. I now have an iPhone 5, but I've used that, WP7 and Android, and liked them all - for different reasons. I've not used WP8, or seen one of the new cheap Nokias, but if they're as good as the cheap WP7 ones, then this should be where MS target for a bit, to get some market share. Because they'll either be competing against older versions of Android, or lower-end hardware that struggles to run the lastest and greatest.
Re: Most people stay with their bank in the UK due to inertia.
So what do you do with your money?
Wrong question. That's far too transparent. The correct question is, where do you live? Oh, and by the way, how much space is there under your mattress?
Re: Those who root and flash a custom rom
That's an interesting stat. Do you think that's because lots of people are rooting Android? After all it was pushed heavily by geeks (when it was still quite flaky but with great possibilities. Or is it that not many people are paying for Android apps (so a smallish number of real enthusiasts dominate)? Or worse, are most Android customers not even going to the Play store, as they just took the phone they were given?
Tablets are cheaper for some reason. My suspicion being that customers pay for tablets, but buy phones on HP through the networks, so get horribly ripped off.
You can buy an iPad 4 for £400. And iPhone 5 costs £550. OK the 4G iPad costs £500, but we all know that extra chip (and the plastic hole in the metal case) does not cost an extra £100 - that's just profit.
You can buy a 10" Samsung tablet for £250, the SIII costs £450. A Nexus 10 is about the same prices as a Nexus 4.
The phones are smaller, so may need a bit more tweaking to get it all to fit, but the only real difference is that the tablets have much more expensive screens, and need more battery shoved in to power them.
Re: So mfg can't be a**ed to do the system tuning necessary
Remember, the customer... Isn't the customer. The networks are still mostly the customer. Hence the proliferation of multiple handset models with impenetrable names and tiny differences. Or MMS controls on the homescreen, or hardwired WAP buttons on the keyboards (all for a bit of operator kickbacks). It was the iPhone that first smashed this, didn't the iPhone 1 not even do MMS?
There's an awful lot of handset makers out there still doing this. Even Samsung does it, on their bewildering range of cheap and mid-price Droids. It's just they've also got the really good high-end ones, where they know the customer is actually choosing them deliberately.
But at the low-end, people still mainly take the phone they're given, because they neither know, nor care, about the choices available.
Even some of the mid-priced Androids can be pretty shoddy - with too slow processors or not enough RAM. If you've got a limited budget the best bet is to buy last year's top-end Droids. That was why I went WinPho last year, because at the £120 I paid for it, there was no 'Droid to touch it - unless I was willing to root them. Though at £200 there was some rather nice kit. Admittedly my requirements were rather limited, but I think the very flexibility of Android is one of the main reasons it needs better hardware.
Re: Evolution in action
Different Linux distros are suited to different users - embedded, supercomputer, desktop, mobile, bleeding edge, conservative (with a small c), secure and so on.
Hmmmm. That gives me an idea. Blue desktop theme, Margaret Thatcher wallpaper, 1950s fonts, Arthur Scargill being punched by Boris Johnson screensaver... What should I call it? Toryx perhaps?
Re: Almost 2 years old?
Also XP was continually getting security updates (some would say it needed them rather more than Android...), but people still on Gingerbread are rather more importantly often not getting any of Google's fixes for known bugs either.
It would be nice for hardware to get updated with the latest-and-greatest software, up to the point that the new software breaks the hardware. I'd say that iOS 4 put a strain on the iPad 1 (too little RAM), but improved it. Whereas iOS 5 made the device worse, and so it shouldn't have got the upgrade. And with Apple not allowing downgrades that's bad. Windows Phone 7's updates over 18 months actually made the phones quicker (as well as adding new features) - as they actually reduced the hardware requirements. As WP8 needed dual cores, and did multi-tasking it would have been madness to allow upgrades - even if it did generate bad publicity.
Some of the attacks on Android over updates are unfair, but a lot of them are very fair. And are less Google's fault as the manufacturers. But Google not only should have seen it coming, but even if they didn't have no excuse after 2 years of it being such an obvious problem. There's quite a lot of Android malware out there now, it's only a matter of time before something big sweeps through the ecosystem. Suddenly that comparison to XP looks rather unfortunate.
Worse, not only is no-one ready for it, but Google will really struggle to fix it. They don't have the Windows Update tool available to them, and the current model means the handset manufacturers won't be updating old kit. Google need to plan for the possible PR disaster ahead. Look how Microsoft's reputation has barely improved in the public mind 10 years after they'd mostly fixed XP. And Android is still one choice of many, not yet in a monopoly position to protect it.
Re: Most people stay with their bank in the UK due to inertia.
Sadly NatWest give me a 0.2% off my mortgage for having my current account with them. And I have to have a current account in order to keep it.
Of course there's nothing stopping me from having another current account, and just bunging a standing order of £1,000 a month through the NatWest one and back out again. If this carries on, I guess I'll have to consider that.
Re: Bloodbath of the Contractors
Don't be stupid! IT staff are a wasteful drain on resources. As well as often being an unsightly addition to any staff canteen - the pulchritude of which can always be added to by hiring more HT and marketing babes... Computers work because of the magic pixies inside of them, the IT staff just lie about all the work they claim to be doing. All you need is to think happy thoughts, and all your computers will work all the time. Managers whose computers fail are simply not good enough at positive thinking - and should also be fired!
Re: "jam jars with rulers stuck to the side"
Why did you give up? In your very first attempt at science your experiment failed causing the creation of giant mutant animals!
You could have had an exciting career in nuclear or space science and people would have made films about you...
Re: Anon Coward votes not counting towards pretty badges
As you say jake, you should normally be able to spot an idiot within the first sentence. Even without looking at usernames.
Re: Anon Coward votes not counting towards pretty badges
Everyone loves TeeCee. He said that he had an 8:1 up:down ratio in one of these threads (or was it 9:1?), so obviously his bad jokes are better than your bad jokes...
I don't take the votes too seriously, but I would love to know what Eadon's down:up ratio is? I'm making a guess that it's more down than up. What makes it funnier, is that I get the impression he's not a deliberate troll, he thinks he's fighting the good fight for freedom. Then every so often he posts something that suggests he's older than (a rather idealistic) 16, and I swing back to thinking he must be trolling deliberately.
Do you not have an ignore button? I thought they were going to roll them out to the sliver-badgers. I've not used mine - but I'd thought it was supposed to be for gold and silver, but they'd only rolled it out to the gold medalists first? Personally I'm too nosy to use one, plus you can't tell how the conversation is made up, if bits of it are missing. Also, in my experience as a forum Mod, what an ignore button meant was for someone to let fly with, 'I'm putting you on ignore now!!!!!!' - only to take them off ignore, reply to a post, and then loudly say they were putting them on ignore again BECOZ I HATE U!!!!. Rinse and repeat.
Don't forget to get the WSJ Apple press conference invites, and pop back to Reg Towers to wave them in their faces and gloat.
Which translates as, "We'll keep a welcome in the hillsides"
Perhaps we have an advantage for not many apps being available here... Now WP8 can multi-task, there's less temptation to grind it to a halt doing so, as there's less shiny to run on it.
I was really impressed with the Lumia 710. It was cheap 'n' cheerful, but really nice to use. Unlike the HTC Wildfire it replaced, which was at a similar price new, when I upgraded, but still running the now 2-year-old Android 2.2! Sometimes OK, but often slow as a dog. A fat, farting, arthritic dog...
If only apps would be more disciplined about keeping their state when shut down, there'd barely be any need for multi-tasking on a phone. Despite many rude comments, I'm not sure WP7 was any worse than iOS at handling it. And whereas Android was superior to both and multi-tasks, it does mean that even on mediocre hardware Android can be very annoying. I'd like to play with WP8 and see how it's improved, but I've just got a new work iPhone 5.
I don't know what all the fanboyism is about. For different reasons I've liked using Android, iOS and Win Phone. They're all very good in their different ways.
Nokia are doing Lumia phones at all price-points now. They've got the 520, 620, 720, 820 and 920 at everything from £120 upwards. So you ought to be able to find one to fit.
I had a Lumia 710 on WP7 - which was perfectly nice - but I've not really used WP8, so don't know if the new cheaper ones will be fast enough. I'd expect it though, as that was apparently one of Nokia's aims. I've seen a lot of disappointing cheap Android ones, so the Nokia's have got to be worth a look.
The 710 wasn't brilliant on build quality (it was OK for the £120 I paid - but cheap for the £300 it was launched at). But I think the first lot of Lumia phones were outsourced, whereas this lot are built by Nokia, so hopefully better. I can't be any more help than that, as I've not played with them. Although isn't there also a cheap Huawei, the Ascend according to a quick search. Not sure how good though.
It's been doing that for the last 2 weeks at least, both the green and the red bar when you make a cock-up, or malform your html. But also when you merely hit preview, you also get the double green bar of 'just a preview' and also 'will appear soon'. I just forgot to complain about it when I last saw it.
Re: Space invaders, yes, of course
Thanks. Was just trying to remember what that was called, and of course it's Gorf. Which, as I recall, had a space invader type level, and then a bunch of others, finishing with the mothership. Then was it back to the beginning (but faster)?
I still like Space Invaders. I still sometimes play it on albinoblacksheep.com.
I'd love to find a way to play Gauntlet again. I was looking for that a while back, but no joy. Hmmm. Looks like a lot of this stuff has turned up on the iPad since I last looked. I wonder how it plays on a touchscreen though? Probably not well.
Re: Another vote for the old RAZR physical format
I've probably got a spare somewhere. When I got the V3i, I gave the old V3 to friends, who had it stolen from them in Nigeria. I would have gone back to the V3i, in despair at not being able to find a decent replacement, but unfortunately my 2 year old nephew found it - and it's gone to join the choir invisible.
It was just so pleasant to hold in the hand, the speaker covered your ear, and the mic was near your mouth - so the call quality was naturally good. Plus it fitted in your pocket perfectly and you couldn't accidentally press any buttons, them being covered up. With modern tech you could probably get Android and a 3" screen on one, which would be enough for email, and some apps - with all the heavy lifting left to a second device.
The little screen on the outside of the flip could then be eInk.
What a sad pair we are, reminiscing about phones past! But this is the one I think of with affection. My old Motorola MicroTac and green-screen Nokias had great battery life (the MicroTac should have - it was still a half-brick!), and the Sony Ericsson P800 was fun for being such a brilliant try at being a smartphone, but the V3 was such a great combination of being good-looking and functional. It was a pleasure to hold.
I'll shut up now.
With all the multiple redundancies they had in the Apollo program, they were still stuck with using the same engine and fuel tank on the lander that was going to get them off again. And they were pretty damned nervous when it came to launching back off the moon that the engine wouldn't fire.
Not helped by the fact that the landing went right down to the wire on fuel - due to the radar glitch. I assume that what would have happened if they'd gone over wouldn't be running out, and going splat into the moon, but would have been not having enough to get back to orbit to rendezvous with the command and service modules - hence no way home. Then poor Michael Collins would have had to say bye-bye guys, and flown off and left them.
Fortunately they made up for lack of redundancy by doing lots and lots and lots of testing.
And to think that in the 1970s my Dad had to take his spark plugs out and dry them in the oven, in order to get his engine to start on a cold morning...
Re: It seems...
Oh woe is me!
I was having a zero-g pee,
In the orbiting lavatory,
That's got no damned gravity.
[with thanks to E. J. Thribb - Ed]
There wouldn't be a problem if there were men in it. They'd just get out and push. Problem solved.
But seriously, even with spacecraft designed from the ground up for manned flight, you tend to stick them in orbit empty (and on auto) a few times first, just to see what happens. I guess one of the big problems with space craft is there's no test-track just by the factory. So you can't do all your practising while hiding. Tests cots orders of magnitude more, due to that nasty gravity stuff, and everyone can watch them - and if they're so inclined point and laugh.
Hopefully they'll solve the problem, as they do have lots of redundant systems. I seem to recall that the reason the last one failed to launch those satellites was because by the time they'd fixed the problem the trajectory would have been too close to the ISS, and so they weren't allowed to risk it. And had to leave the things to re-enter.
Re: It seems...
The ISS crew will find a card in the airlock which says, 'we tried to make your delivery, but you were out. Please ring this number to arrange re-delivery or pick up from your local centre.'
Under normal circumstances the card basically means the driver walked up to your door, then made a run for it. In this case, who knows? But the local delivery centre will probably be a bit more of a trek than usual, and even phoning the call centre will cost a packet.
Space is big. Really hugely, mind-bogglingly big. I mean, you may think it's a long way round the corner to the chemists, but that's just peanuts to space.
Good luck to them fixing the bugger though. The problem with all this mucking about in orbit, is you just can't easily get an engineer to bang the thing with a hammer and make it go again.
Re: Unfortunately we can't ...
You forgot the other major advantage of capturing a giant ice asteroid. There'll never be a shortage of ice for your orbital gin and tonic. A very important consideration if one's in space for 500 days.
Re: Microsoft Ergonomic keyboard
The B key is on the wrong side. I kept banging my finger into empty space, because there was no key there. Once you've learnt to touch type, it's bloody hard to unlearn. But I agree they were nice keyboards. Although they were also bloody enormous!
Re: re: split keyboards
That was it. Those Microsoft bendy keyboards were brilliant. Because you kept your wrists at the natural angle - so there was much less strain on them.
Unfortunately, the B was not in the place that I learnt to type. It should be typed by the right index finger, not the left. I suppose if I'd bought one, I'd have learned to change my typing style. After all, when I worked in Belgium, I soon learned to cope with an Azerty (yuck!) and the fact that my KB didn't have a £ and was too old to have a € (ALT+0128 if you're interested).
I must say I'm much more of a glider on the keys than I used to be. I learnt at primary school, on an old Imperial manual typewriter. There was over an inch of travel in the keys - and my poor, tiny, 11-year-old, little fingers really struggled to get any ink on paper at all with those A's and P's... I had to really slam them down. I'm still a bit clickety-clackety when typing at full speed, or banging in something short like a command or web address. But I found that playing the piano got me to be a bit more delicate, once I'd moved from manual typewriter to computer.
Re: @IaS (was: And so?)
You actually ENJOY the idiots getting into your space, lying to you, in order to sell crap? Seriously?
No naughty misquoting here jake... I didn't say I enjoy advertising, what I said was it's currently a necessary evil. Society has to make a choice here, it's either pay for stuff direct or get it funded by ads. Lots of decent TV is funded by ads. Of course so's lots of shit TV, but then there's plenty of rubbish that gets made paid for by subscription as well. Lots of internet content is also currently sponsored by advertising.
Watching the journalists destroy their own industry is an interesting case at the moment. Are they going to give their stuff away for free, or charge for it? Can they make the stuff sufficiently good on the lower budget that the advertising-only model requires? I'm sure that's easily possible for specialist publications like the Register, but not so easy for the Guardian or the New York Times.
As a general point though, I don't think advertising is totally bad. There's annoying ads and rubbish ads, but there are also sometimes funny ads, or useful ones. My supermarket have just emailed me a voucher (with my permission) it gets me money off if I shop this weekend. Which I was going to do anyway. Some of their emails are for stuff I don't want, but enough are for stuff I'm interested in, or tell me when stuff I want is on special offer, that I allow them to continue to advertise to me.
Amazon, on the other hand, no longer can. Even though I use them, they started sending as many as 2 marketing emails per day! So I cut them off. Even though I liked some of their adverts, and bought stuff because of them, they went over the top, and got blocked.
Re: And so?
I don't quite get the visceral hatred of advertising. Sure bad advertising is annoying. But so long as it's not intrusive - there's no harm in companies being allowed to get their message across.
More importantly, our current web model requires that advertising works, or it's not going to be sustainable. It seems to be a choice between free services with online advertising, or paying for stuff and getting micro-payments to work properly.
Personally I'm happy to pay for the stuff I use a lot, and would happily subscribe to El Reg, for example, but until much larger numbers of web users agree with that we need advertising to fund stuff. In general I'm nervous of services where I'm costing money but not paying, as the money has to come from somewhere - TANSTAAFL applies. But if a company wants an easy route to send me a money-off voucher, I won't complain, and I'll take their offer up if it's something I want, at the right price.
Re: She clearly needed iProtection
Now she has an iInjury, and is required to wear and iPatch!
Aye me hearties! Twas a terrible thing, the day me ayePod exploded. Shiver me timbers! It near set fire to me ayePatch! The good ship Cupertino had better be ready to repel boarders! Sharpen up yer cutlasses my lads, aim lawyers and fire a broadside!
Nurse! The drugs. Quickly!
Re: Halfway to Mars and the wife asks....
You did remember to put the cat out?
Why, was it on fire?
Shame-facedly gets coat. But Spike Milligan would never have forgiven me if I'd not done it.
Don't you have to drink red wine, in order to mitigate radiation exposure. I can't remember why now, but I believe it was one of the things carried on nuclear subs.
In which case, I might reconsider my decision not to sign up. Just think, 17 months of wine every day, all the computer games you can play, and no phone calls offering you PPI refunds or trying to get you to change your energy tariff. Also, no customers. Of course there's the risk of dying horribly, and alone, and on telly. But for 17 months off from talking to customers I reckon I'll risk it.
Shame to go all that way and not go out for a walk when you get there though. But I did once go all the way to Edinburgh to make a delivery and came back without stopping for more time than it took to buy a cup of coffee and go to the loo. No difference really...
Re: One word...
No. This mission has a guaranteed return, as it'll slingshot round Mars and come back to earth.
If we're going to send Jedward, we need to do it on one of the early ones, that has to slow down to orbit Mars and then fire the engine again to head back to Earth. Then make sure the engine can't be re-lit. There's no point in getting everyone's hopes up, only for them to re-appear 17 months later.
Re: I'd volunteer
First couple to fly to Mars drown in shock accident. Sources close to the mission today said, "we wish we'd picked the mad shoe-buying couple now."
In other news after the death of the new Pope last month, Boris Johnson has been selected as the new Pontiff by the Council of Cardinals. Pope Boris I said that he was delighted by the news and was hoping to play whiff-whaff in St Peters as quickly as possible.
The ISS is paddling in the shallow end, protected by the earth's magnetic field. The only people to have left that protection were the Apollo astronauts, and they were only gone for a short period of time. Had there been a solar flare, they'd have been in serious trouble. Over 17 months, that risk really mounts up.
Plus whatever nasties the solar wind contains (and won't be blocked), which will steadily mount up over 17 months of long exposure.
Re: Reason for an older couple?
Do Guinness currently have a world record for the number of times one man has said, "yes dear", over a 17 month period...
Re: I'd volunteer
She can buy all the shoes she wants - there'll be oodles of time for online shopping. Admittedly the sites might load a bit slowly, and delivery could be an issue. But just think of the piles and piles of packages waiting for her when she gets back.
Re: Piano player, I ain't
I quite like the idea of a dumbphone, perhaps with all the smartphone internals, but maybe just the radios. This then docks with a tablet - which has the screen, and whatever bits don't fit in the phone.
I'd like it to be a Motorola RAZR V3 shaped, clamshell phone with at least the radios and GPS, which can do email, calendar and contact synching with MS Exchange plus some combination of CardDAV/IMAP/EAS/CalDAV to deal with my personal stuff. Link that to a relatively dumb tablet or phablet sized thingy to do the pretty-pretty, handle media content, web-surfing and maybe act as the map screen - and I'd be very happy indeed.
Or maybe the tablet should be the boss, and the phone merely the dumb terminal. I'm not quite sure the best way to make it work, but the problem with modern smartphones is that they're getting worse as phones, as they become better mobile computers.
Maybe this is just me having a problem, as apparently data usage is rapidly overtaking voice calling. But for work, my phone gets much more call usage than data - and that's still true for our road-warriors as well. It's dead useful to have my emails on it, but if I could have a WiFi hotspot mode on a dumbphone, I'd be very tempted to abandon smartphones as a bad job. If only the manufacturers didn't seem to have murdered the flip-phone, even though it's the most ergonomically sensible shape for a mobile phone.
Those 2 RAZRs, despite their several faults, were the nicest phones I've ever used. I abandoned the smartphone in about 2004 (having had a Sony Ericsson P800), and went back to dumphone and Filofax, then replaced with a tablet. I've now had an HTC Wildfire, Nokia Lumia 710 and an iPhone 5, and there are still many times I think I'd be better with a dumbphone that could do email, a Filofax and paper maps.
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I shall also post to say I agree. I quite like the having the comments thread start at the bottom, but really don't like the 'best comments' view for the stated reason - they often don't make any sense.
Plus the ones with most ratings often aren't the best.
If you bother with a 'most rated' thing at all, I'd suggest it be available from the drop-down at the top right, where you can also show by date posted or in thread order.
The bronze badge is awarded on post number, so as long as the large majority of your posts aren't anon, it shouldn't make a great deal of difference.
I guess they decided to try and reward people who don't post anon, hence the anon votes not counting. And I suppose it does sort of make sense, that if the badges represent some kind of 'reputation signal' then only your visible posts should count.
I don't really know why they bothered though. As the Register forums are mostly about banging on about the subjects of the articles, I don't really understand why they even want a user reputation system. It'd make a lot more sense if people came here for technical advice. I suppose it's possible that this is a direction they want to head, now they've launched the non-article forums. Otherwise, a badge for 'long-term denizen of our forum' is understandable - for which bronze does the job perfectly - so why the rest?
I don't mind the voting, despite our jake's loathing for it, but I do agree that the badges are kind of pointless.
Although obviously, as one of the elite gold-badgers, I still look down on everyone else as the plebs they undoubtedly are...
When I see the phrase 'patent pending' in marketing stuff it always screams 'amateur' to me. We sell a product that's 10 years old, and the datasheet still claims that it's patent pending. Perhaps they're sometimes really really lazy down at the patent office? Or perhaps it's time to take that sad line out of your PR, that your customers really don't give a stuff about.
Re: It's an RPD
Ruchnoy Pulemyot Degtyaryova
No wonder they had to shorten it...
"Boris we're under attack! Fetch the Ruchnoy Pulemyot Degty...Degtyar....Degt... Erk!"
Re: Magic Touch tech which means you can fondle your slab while wearing gloves
Just use your nose...
I'll admit to having done this a few times on the clickwheel thingy on my iPod.
[obligatory] You're holding it wrong.
Re: What's new
After getting made redundant I temped for an insurance company for a bit. One of our form letters was, "I'm sorry to hear about the death of your beloved horse, here's some money."
Nowadays it would probably be, "Sorry your horsey's dead, can we have it please we could murder a lasagne."
I fancy a marble iPad sleeve though. How many relatives and friends do I have to kill off in order to win one?
Re: Piano player, I ain't
I must say I don't understand that. Surely the point of having a phone with a tablet to slot into is that all the big stuff can be handled by the tablet screen. Which allows you to make the phone a bit smaller. I still make more calls than I use data, so I want a phone that's comfortable to hold up to my ear for long periods while I try to solve ridiculous engineering problems with guys on noisy building sites. It's good to shout...
There seem to be a lot of grumpy old sceptics on here. Battle-scarred troops from the trenches of IT no doubt...
However this looks like quite a nice idea to me. People find it hard to remember numbers, but with this, the bit they have to remember could be a smiley face, the letter J or a random squiggle - depending on taste. Whether you can manage to explain how it works to users is another matter of course. But at least it's something that's trying to be user-friendly, rather than relying on increasingly complicated strings for people to
write down remember.
Re: What's new
Of course advertisers will plague the site. When you first set it up, giving your email address and a date when your relative died, you'll probably find your inbox inundated with undertaker spam, florist spam and the like. Or am I perhaps being a touch cynical?