343 posts • joined 17 Jun 2009
Re: @Dave 126 You beat me to it.
I'm not sure it is carrier specific.
Clearly the carriers are worse the manufacturers, but I have never had a carrier branded Android phone, and updates are still months or years behind Googles.
The problem is that carriers then either won't roll out the manufacturer update when it does, eventually, come.
Having owned an iPhone, WP8 and a couple of Androids from different manufacturers I would say that the iPhone and WP8 are updated most often (I've had a few updates for the WP8 in a couple of months and the iPhone was updated for about 3 or 4 years before Apple stopped support (midway through an OS version I have to say, and the last update it had stopped it working, with the bug fix to the introduced bugs not being released for it, making it an ornament...)
Good phones and good OS
I know I'm going to get down voted here for daring to say something positive, but...
I gave up on Nokia after the dismal experience that owning an N73 was - I even replaced it with a cheap Samsung flip phone long before I could upgrade on my contract as using it was just so painful.
I now have an 820 - and it is a great phone. Sure the app store needs more apps (kind of like the Android App store when I moved from Apple to Android a few years ago) but most of what is there is useful).
If you don't download a huge amount of apps then it's a stunning little phone that is, mostly, very intuitive.
Lets see what they can do now...
Re: Faith in machinery displayed here is amusing
The good thing here is that the 'human' part of our brain is what's causing the problems in traffic at the moment (most of the time) and the analytic power of a computer is really what's needed when driving more than the 'Who am I and where am I going' that computers struggle at so much. Google has this working already. I'm sure than Nissan can perfect the science in 7 years.
Re: I, for one, will not purchase this tat.
@Alan Brown - That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you :)
"3. reaction time of a vehicle is much faster than a humans, again - alerts can propagate faster through the flow of traffic
Any half-decent driver doesn't need the same reaction time as a machine as they drive within the limits of their abilities and the road conditions."
Aside from the fact that I don't think this happens, ever, you are missing the point. Someone else driving outside of their limits heading towards you. You still need your 1 second reaction time, the computer still needs it's ms (if that) reaction time. That difference in time could be the difference between a nasty accident and an 'OMG! That was close!' moment.
Of course the benefits will be limited until all cars are self-drive, but the benefits will start as soon as people start to use them, and only get better as the technology propagates down to the second hand cars.
Re: Call me uneasy...
Actually... I think the two situations you describe would be far better handled by a RoboCar than a human.
Both in terms of safe driving to begin with (just how close to Enid are you driving - someone slamming on their brakes should not be the start of an accident, though it often is) and in terms of reaction times ms for the computer vs a second for the human.
The same goes for Daz, if a computer doesn't have the reaction time, or space to move out of his way then yu have no chance.
I'm more concerned about the legalities of what happen when a RoboCar *does* have an accident? Who pays for the medical bills and repairs? I think that this needs answering before it can really happen...
Re: @Thorne (was: I, for one, will not purchase this tat.)
As much as I adore driving I would have to say yes, I would rather that people were not in charge of them.
As pointed out 90% of accidents are caused by the people driving them. Whether that be the person has had a bad day and is not completely concentrated, or whether they are just bad drivers full stop. Or whether they think they are Jensen Button, or just doddering people who should have given up their license years ago.
Of course people should be trained to the right level before getting into a car, and should adhere to that level when driving.
But having a license for 19 years now (ouch, that long!) I know that I have some bad habits when behind the wheel. Not holding the phone, texting or other insane stuff, but there have been times where someone was in my blind spot and I obviously didn't check properly because as I started to move I saw them and had to stop the maneuver, or you do something and immediately think it was a bad idea.
And I see far worse - sometimes I think my car is a magnet seeing as the amount of people who wander into my lane when overtaking me on the motorway - because they are distracted, or because they just haven't seen the nearly 4.8m long Volvo in the lane next to them. Or because they are just staring at their crotch where they are busy composing a text, tweet or facebook post (or email or whatever!)
And if you say you have never had those experiences then I am going to call you a fibber! :)
Yes, give me self driving cars - once the legalities have been sorted!
Re: 12 seconds!!!!
No, I meant Nm :)
Re: Just plug it in
In Holland they are dealing with that. Some car parks have charging points installed so you can shop and charge at the same time. And some cities are installing charging parking spots on the street so people can park near their house and still charge (you have to have a card to make it work obviously).
As these spread it will become more usable.
Re: 12 seconds!!!!
No, not US, UK moved to Holland. Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre (what you are taught in the UK when learning to drive).
If you have a car that is capable of getting from 50 to 80 (which in the country I live in is the maximum speed for the motorway) in a couple of seconds then the gap you need to safely manoeuvre between lanes is much shorter than a car that needs ten or more seconds to do the same.
How is this a difficult concept to grasp? My first car, a 1978 Fiesta, would take a long time to wind up those speeds and when there was a lot of traffic would be stuck behind lorries for a long time so that drivers didn't have to brake when I pulled out.
And yes, in modern day traffic there are a lot of cars that will struggle with that. I'm pleased not to be in that situation any more.
If you hog the middle lane you can now be given a 100 pound fixed ticket and three penalty points. You should not stick to just one lane (as the highway code points out, and the advanced driving handbook does too I believe). You should drive in the left hand most lane unless overtaking another vehicle.
And we are not talking about when you are on a massively congested road, with a variable speed limit to increase traffic flow and someone trying to lane dodge to jump ahead of the queue. In those cases I wait in the lane I'm in until it clears (we've all seen office space haven't we?) or I am approaching my exit and need to move to the left lane for that. It's less stressful and frustrating that way :)
I don't know why you have it you're head that I a nutter on the road for wanting to be able to change lanes or overtake safely, but I'm not... I stick to the limits or less, for both fuel and not wanting a speed ticket, and do my best to be a considerate driver by not forcing other people to have to react to my driving.
Anyway, there is no way you're going see me as anything other than the nutter, you've made that clear - so with this note I wish you a pleasent weekend...
Re: 12 seconds!!!!
Where did I say get out of trouble? I don't think that was mentioned.
You are on a back road, behind a tractor. The less time you spend on the wrong side of the road going around that tractor the better. The better your in gear acceleration the smaller the gap you need to be safely past the tractor and on the right side of the road again (and I am not talking about being 1/2m safe - I want lots of room to overtake to make sure I am safe!
The same on a motorway, you are behind a lorry, the easier you can get to the speed of the cars in the overtaking lane the safer the maneuver to change lanes.
And all of that safety makes driving a whole lot less stressful and frustrating! Don't you think? And seeing as frustration causes accidents it's safer still!
Oh, and not down-voted, I wouldn't want to give you the satisfaction :)
I don't know... I think that all the modern Volvo's look quite good.
The smaller ones are being made to look cool and classy, and the V70 looks really classy, without being shouty and gaudy about it.
And when you go 10 years down the line they still look classy, where as the cool cars all look rather aged... (Not sure how the new V40 and V60 are going to fair there - time will tell...)
Just my opinion :)
Re: 12 seconds!!!!
As others have stated the point of the power is to be there when you need it and for in gear acceleration. My V70 has to make do with (sarcasm) only (/sarcasm) 320nm and 240bhp.
And apart from occasionally having fun on slip roads to motorways, when there is not a slower car in front of me, I don't hammer the throttle from standstill very often. Seeing figures like 99l/100km (Dutch car) on the instant readout puts you off doing that rather quickly!
But, where the car comes into it's own is busy motorway driving and back roads where the in gear acceleration is used, this is also traditionally also what Volvo concentrates on more than 0-60 times when it comes to power. The ability to get from 50 to 80 in a very short space of time when needed makes life a lot less stressful.
I'm due for a new(ish) V70 in 4 years. I hope that this drive train is an option for a V70 around that time. Dutch road tax is prohibitively expense for a diesel, where as hybrids are cheap. Outside of makiing the money back in Diesel in 3 years, it's more than 1000 euros a year cheaper to tax!
Re: Just because Apple files for a patent using NFC
Whilst I think this is a totally BS patent, the point of gifting something that has been picked by the giver, rather than a gift card, is that some people prefer to give something they have picked than just hand over a card and let the other person do the picking.
It depends on what the relationship is between the people. Someone who knows me could get me a new Muse album and know that I would love it, where as someone who doesn't know me that well could simply get me the gift card and let me pick.
And then onto the "It's the thought that counts." I know people who feel gift cards are a sign of not thinking about the gift and just doing it because they feel they have to. (I don't subscribe to this viewpoint, but there are people who do).
So the whole idea is fine, it's just the idea of patenting it that is stupid!
Re: Let the conspiracies begin
And what makes you think turning the camera off won't simply turn off the little red light :)
Re: No memory card, fixed battery
I have one of the best packages available in NL. 2gb fair use. Tell me: just how is that supposed to replace a 64gb data card! And what when I visit the UK and pay roaming details? Or when I'm at the TT and there is no data coverage for the weekend?
A data contract is no substitute for removable media. And this phone is trying to replace a camera. Cameras need removable storage...
And no it's nothing against windows phone 8 - this is being written on an 820. And yes I picked the 820 over the 920 because I could add the 64gb card for my music :)
Re: No memory card, fixed battery
Whilst I have never seen a phone that I would consider as a replacement for either of my cameras, 32GB including OS, apps, music, videos is not even close to enough to consider using the phone as a camera.
When I take my 5D to something like the Assen TT I generally fill all 32GB of my memory cards.
My phone has a 8GB + a 64GB SD card in it. I have 27GB free with the music I've uploaded and the apps that have been installed.
On this phone I wouldn't be able to store my music, let alone my music and the pictures the phone can take.
Because you can't fill the remnants of the 32GB with pictures doesn't mean that an enthusiastic photographer can't.
Re: Spinal repairs
That's just what I was thinking...
Re: Can I bee the first to say.....
Given the pointless rant you just wrote... You?
Honestly, I don't care about the colours, or the shouty menus in VS 2012. It's all window dressing and, basically for me, meh! It doesn't affect my productivity.
What I care about is the abomination that is the pending changes window these days! That they have decided to wait for 2013 to implement the old style interface rather than putting it into Update 3 is just plain stupid (not from a money point of view - we have MSDN subscriptions for the devs) but the whole we need to install the new version viewpoint!
And of course the restructured context menus that mean what was two clicks is now hidden away behind multiple sub menus that make no sense.
These things cost time, effort and concentration and should be reverted to something simple where people can simply get on with their work!
Re: Another one?
Hey, that's not fair!
The lawyers are winning hands down!
Re: "Harping on about it causes divide."
However the joke was meant the point that many people have made stands out. An article about women in IT and the first comment was about sex. That is how it is viewed (kind of like playing on-line on the Xbox - that's a barrel of laughs for a woman...) and even if someone wanted to do something in IT they can be put off.
And yes, I do know that a group of women working with one man can also make their life just as interesting, and that is just as bad.
As to me needing a knight in shining armour before I commented. Hello? Have you seen the time of the comment? I'm in continental Europe so it was an hour later than that - but I had got into the office, got a coffee and had a quick read of El Reg.
I was not staring at the screen waiting for some guy to come to my defence before commenting. That insinuation is more insulting than the joke!
As for the commenter never having had issues with it - well done. Though I wonder at your username to be able to make that comment effectively. There are enough people who make the belittling comments without even realising it. When it's bad it's infuriating. I have been asked by a sales guy just how technical I was when he realised that I was there as administrator of a server we were upgrading. Not one of the others in the room was asked that question. His company did not get the job to help us, needless to say.
But no, it is not that I have a bad workplace here where I am under a constant barrage of attacks, actually it's a lot of fun and you do have to give as good as you get - just as the guys do to each other. But, yes, sometimes it goes to far and gets too much.
Re: Big deal, I can get tech into girls ..
And there is one of the problems of getting women into *any* male orientated branch.
A question I am constantly asked is "What is is like to be one of the only women in the whole department and to work with men all day."
For the work, fine - I'm (almost) as geeky as they are. But yes there are the jokes, comments etc etc.
It doesn't bother me most of the time, but it can get too much...
@An0n C0w4rd Re: Eh?
Thanks! I'll give it a shot tonight!
Please tell me how! All of my Windows machines can see all my of Windows network shares. Including the file server where everything is stored (this one is important!).
The Apple machine... Occasionally sees the media machine or the file server, but nothing else and only infrequently at that :(
Re: There's no way an app can be written to run on any Windows device
Err... They were not supposed to run on both Desktop and phone.
Microsoft's vision is that a tablet is a mini desktop screen, rather than an oversized phone. Thus you have Windows 8 running on tablets and desktops and Windows Phone 8 running on phones.
An iPad application is also different to an iPhone application. Just look at Facebook for the iPhone and for the iPad (I wish Android did this - Spotify and Facebook on my Infinity tablet are annoying as hell to use (to the extent that they are not used at all).
Whether it's better to treat a tablet as an oversized phone or an undersized desktop is open to discussion, but either way all companies know that there is a large difference between the desktop and the phone.
Maybe they will converge at some point, but no mater the OS it will rely on responsive design to get the interface flexible enough to work on all screen sizes (just like modern websites do...)
Re: Depends where you park
I had my car stolen from Filbert Street football ground when I was in Uni (their car park was open to the public during the week).
They stole my Tesco uniform that was in the boot (why!!!??? Did they have a cashier fetish?) and all of my (home recorded) tapes - but not my parents tapes that were also in the car. And the 15 pound stereo itself! (Again, why? It's not like anyone if going to buy that at the pub is it?
Thankfully the police found my car in a bad neighbourhood about 7 hours later so I still had transport. And because it was a very old Ford they hadn't had to smash anything to steal it.
The police said it was likely to be 12 or 13 year old kids who couldn't be bothered to catch the bus home. Gits.
Re: Someone unknown (or mostly)
I can't imagine how they would take the story line, but I love the idea of Sue Perkins! I had never thought about her until now...
Re: Still struggling to see any laptops that are like my (couple of year old) Sony Vaio Z12
I have the last version of that machine.
256 (as RAID 0 and blindingly fast) - would have loved the 512 but ouch! on the price!
Quad core hyper threaded 3rd gen i7
Full HD (and pin sharp!)
< 1.2KG (but you lose the discrete graphics - you need the PMD for that)
As small as a MacBook Air, but with way more power and a little lighter. And all for the price if a high spec'd ultrabook that it would pummel into the ground.
But I guess they did not sell enough - Sony doesn't make anything like it now either :(
I hope it lasts a long time, as there is nothing on the market at the moment that comes close for me...
Re: Can someone please enlighen me @AC
Because you appreciate the extra desktop real estate?
I love my 13" Full HD monitor. Everything is pin sharp and crystal clear, and I can get what I want on the screen without having to carry around a 17" laptop with me.
Hell, even when I RDP from my Transformer Infinity to my desktop everything is still perfectly readable - and that's only 10"
I find a crap 15" 1366*768 much harder to read, and much more fatiguing than a high quality, high res smaller screen.
I found the line 'sound quality is fine, if you lower your expectations' interesting. Is that a translation of 'sound quality sucks'?
I know 170 isn't a *high* price in the grand scheme of music systems, but neither is it throw away money for 'hey I want music in the garden / study / kitchen on the cheap'...
Re: Whoever thought security through proximity was a good idea.
WTF??? You can now pay for things without having to enter your pin? Wow...
I appreciate that I can steal a card and order on-line, or over the phone, and not have to enter a pin, but at least them for it to be useful to me I have to have it delivered to an address which makes it somewhat traceable.
But to be able to get hold of a card and then use it straight away, on the high street without having to enter a code is just insanity... How much is card crime going to jump now?
Upvoted because, yes, that is annoying!
But it's not limited to a single OS - that is more limited to the admin settings for the machines. We have a selection of servers here and some can be restarted normally, where as others have to be restarted using the shutdown -r command. And yes it is annoying. When I VPN from home to the office I also loose the ability to simply restart the workstation and need that command.
Re: The sad thing about ID cards
Be thankfu it's only 77 gbp... I just renewed mine from abroad and it was close to 200 euros... (Up from 50 10 years ago IIRC)
The reason why, as explained on their site is that they have been busy streamlining their system, to make it easier for a person to get a passport and reduce the cost of making it.
Quite how that translates to having to post your passport from Holland to Paris, where they perform some checks (I don't know what, when I asked the passport office they refused to tell me what the checks were, just that my application had to be correct enough to pass them or they would keep my 200 euros and return it to me) before sending it to Cardiff for more, and different, checks (also secret!). Where it would be made and posted to me back here.
Much easier than 10 years ago when I went to the consulate, filled in a form with the help of the clerk, went back a week later and picked it up. And with the reduced costs obviously 200 euros is a better price than 50.
Which phone do you have!
Non-DRM player. There is a music player that is built in that plays MP3s - albeit quite a sucky one (on a par with the standard Android one). If you buy a Nokia then you also get the Nokia Music app by default, and is one of the best music apps I have had on any phone.
17 hour battery life... Wow... I get a few days (if the battery graph is to be believed) if I have background data, Bluetooth (used to connect to the car's hands free system) and WiFi turned on with Facebook push, twitter push, and 4 email accounts checked every 30 minutes. It has 40% to 75% left when it gets plugged in at the end of a (17 hour) day depending on just how intensely I have been using it. Are you on Windows Phone 8, or 7.5? I know a colleague has the Nokia 710 on 7.5 and does have to have it on charge almost constantly, I have the 820 on WP8 and you can see above how bad it is.
The rest I have not tried to look for, but I agree the apps are woefully limited at the moment. But as I don't have that many apps on any of my phones it doesn't bother me - if you use lots then, yup, it's an issue!
Re: Did anyone see....
Yup, saw that - but even better are the fanbois (from all platforms) proving the video right in the comments! ;)
Re: £20 or £400 @lpf
Why not? I went from my iPhone to a Desire, to an Xperia S and recently switched to a Nokia 820 when i dropped it and smashed the screen. The Andriod platform had every app that I needed (and even a few that the iPhone doesn't have). Both the Android phones were nicer to use - for me.
The windows phone suffers from lack of apps, that's for sure, but other than that its a really nice phone to use.
Maybe the original poster wasn't a Samsung shill, but just someone who wants a phone that works and doesn't care about the make or OS...
I saw the Libretto in a few shops and loved it instantly. Compact, but also a real machine. It's just a shame I was a lowly student at the time and so I never had the money to get one!
I wonder if it's rose coloured glasses looking back and I would have been disappointed had I managed to get hold of one?
Re: @Stephen Roper I don't have a problem with mp3
On my last system (JVC about the same class as your Technics) I would agree with you. When I upgraded to a Cyrus system with B&W CM9 speakers I heard the difference immediately (to the point where I assumed something was wired up wrong!). Only when I put a CD on did I realise it was the 320kbps MP3s that sounded awful, and not the speakers!
That was the point where I re-encoded all of my CD's. I now use the MP3 player for background music and the FLAC file (or just the CD's) for when I want to actually listen to something.
Takes me back
I first used the internet when I started at Uni in 1994...
Lots of Sun think clients thought the tallest building (I forget the name, but I think they have pulled it down now) at DeMontfort (using those wonderful paternosters to get up and down!). Lowly IT students were had to use the older monochrome machines (software engineering got the colour ones). But the monitors were absolutely crisp and clear even so. Loved those machines (not the shared CPU and internet connection which were woefully under specified!)...
And of course all had Mosaic on them. A couple of years before I was connected at home using IE...
Thanks for bringing the memories back to the surface :)
Re: IF notebook sales do stay ahead of tablets???
I'll agree that most people have no need to update their laptops at the moment, and so there is no advantage to upgrading except a new OS, and really, outside of OS geeks who cares? And the geeks will just install the OS on existing computers - so no new sales from there.
But as to a touch screen laptop being ergonomically difficult... I disagree - when I switch from using my Asus Transformer to my laptop I find myself forgetting and poking the screen quite often as it's easier than reaching for a mouse. And actually my best experience is the Transformer, with a mouse. The mouse is great for the more detailed parts and the touch screen for buttons etc. Either one without the other is ergonomically difficult, but combined it's a really nice experience.
Re: Really !!!
I'm struggling to see the issue here from any other phone I have had.
The people hub allows me to find a contact I am looking for - whether that be work, family or friends (I don't want to have three phone books with some overlap).
I have a tile for my work email. One for my home email. And one for my gmail. There is no way to confuse the three. If I see emails from colleagues then I know I am in the inbox for my work account. If I see mails from friends and family then I am in my home account, and if I see order confirmations and SPAM then I am in my gmail account.
Pretty much as it was on iOS and Android as well - in fact easier as it's three separate tiles by default (you can connect inboxes if you want, but by default each account appears as its own app. On the iPhone you had to open the mail client and then select the inbox you wanted, and on my Desire and Xperia Z it was similar (Gmail had their own app).
The point is that the social networking has been made easier in the hub, which would be the FaceTweetSpace you were talking about. It's not a case of accidentally emailing or texting everyone in your contact list from the social media hub - you want to mail it's still separate, as it should be!
I wonder how many people slating
Windows Phone 8 have used it enough to actually give the feedback.
When I smashed the screen on my Xperia S about a month back (doh!) I needed a new phone, and rather quickly.
I've had an iPhone, two top end Android phones and so I thought maybe it was time to dip my toes into the Windows Phone 8 water. A colleague has a Lumia 710 (WP 7.5) and loves it (except the battery life) and all the reviews seemed positive enough for the 820.
I went to the shop and spoke to the assistant (who seemed to really know her stuff for a change!) spoke to me for 20 minutes of so about the relative merits of the different phones and OS's. For what I needed (calling, corporate email and occasional surfing) she recommended the Huwai (or how it's spelt) phone as it had the same specs as the 820 but was 200 euros cheaper. Unfortunately that would have mean waiting a week for it to come back into stock. A week I didn't have!
So I plumped for the 820. And have not regretted it for a second since. Easy to use, slick interface and one of the best soft typing experiences I have had.
One niggle is the volume control - whoever thought that one setting for both ringtone and headphones was enough was definitely on drugs.
And there is not a great choice in the app store. Yet. But what is there is really great - the best IMDB experience I have had.
Re: So much fud in the comments
No, really not. I can from an iPhone, HTC Desire and Sony Xperia Z before my 820 and in (almost) no way do I think that Windows Phone 8 is lacking. Quite the opposite in fact, it is the best phone I have owned since I got my first phone in 1996 (wow, 17 years ago... I feel old!).
I have only 1 niggle with the 820 after nearly a month owning it.
No separate volume controls for keypad, ringtone and headphones (I could live with the first two being combined, but where is the sense in combining the ringtone that you want loud to hear in your pocket / handbag and the headphones that you don't want to deafen you!).
But I just change the volume when plugging in the headphones. It's a pain that I hope they fix, but not the end of the world :)
Re: @ Stacy @...Pierre
I know I shouldn't but...
Mind you, the _manufacturers_ advise full cycles to avoid charge memory
From this I assumed that you meant a full cycle of nearly empty to full. If you could explain what you mean by full cycle without attacking me I would appreciate it. I used the information presented to me.
My figures were taken from the air yes. Sometimes my battery is nearly empty (warning! your laptop will hibernate if you don't plug in soon!) and needs charging to 80% (when the Sony battery application stops charging). Sometimes it's not and when it plug it in is still has 65% left and charges to 80%. And a whole range in between. I don't wait for my laptop to hit 65% and then charge it, obviously. That would be just a little to much OCD for me.
As for the % left on *whatever* I am charging, I take it from the machine itself. The laptop reports x% charge left, as does my phone. The hours left? That depends on what I am doing. Writing mails takes less processing power than photo editing obviously and so the time to empty changes with current power needs. As a singular example.
Re: @ Stacy @...Pierre
What you said:
Mind you, the _manufacturers_ advise full cycles to avoid charge memory
What I said:
The battery management software recommends that you only charge to 80%
Since when is charging to 80% the same as a full charge cycle?
Wait till it's nearly empty (10%) and charge to 100%
My situation: It's on 65%, I plug it in and it stops automatically at 80%. That is not a full charge cycle.
Not the same thing. In fact, quite opposite.
Re: The widespread belief that lithium-ion batteries don't suffer from “charge memory”
Actually, I have quite the opposite from Sony... The battery management software recommends that you only charge to 80% (if you are close to a socket most of the time, which I am) in order to extend the life of the battery - as 100% charges kill the battery over time.
Re: Die Hard II
You mean that wasn't real! And you can't do it by pulling a line down a screen!
My world has just been torn apart
Re: Depends on the country
'Tis in The Netherlands too. To compensate for the food, tea, coffee, soft drinks and Friday drinks I have 42 euros added to my salary before tax (the tax man decides the amount).
As Mr Bennet says...
You think that, if it gives you comfort.
The 740 has a few computers in it. And when they break that are quite expensive (as a friend of mine found out)!
Re: Do not want, and in fact this kind of thing is a fucking 'orrible idea.
Wow, a sensible comment.
This is my biggest concern. The law is going to have to take this sort of thing into consideration and sort through the ramifications.
That said, much as I adore driving, bring it on. Less congestion, more safety! How many hours have the Google cars ran on the public road? How many accidents have they had, and how does this relate to a human driver? Easy way to see the safety.
Those who think it is akin to ABS in that people will adjust to it... How? The human does not take control of the car, there is no risk to take.