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Pack of liars say their friends all trustworthy, nothing to worry about.
Jesus Christ. Do they actually think we give a damn about their pathetic public posturings?
Lessons from Snowden
So, we are all to assume that the US haven't put a backdoor override button into the Trident missiles, then? Is that supposed to be a joke?
The US would not let us have these things unless the knew there was absolutely no chance of us firing them without permission. None at all.
So, whatever the cost, it's 100% waste as we could just let the Yanks nuke their own targets (as they have previously) and pay for the costs themselves while we spend a few billion on something more worth having than these dole-by-another-name projects, like buns and crisps.
Re: How are they using the data?
"What I'd really like to know is how they are using that data"
Any way they like. That's the beauty of not officially having it - there's no rules. They can simply search for selfies or they can pass interesting info on to companies that they are planning to ask for non-exec posts with, or they can use it to blackmail people they know personally. There's no rules, so the only limit is their personal sense of honour and decency, both of which are filtered out by the recruitment process.
Re: The world turns
"You really think that AD is shit and yet has gained massive acceptance and popularity from small business to massive enterprise?"
This happens quite often in all walks of life.
"But if eDirectory was the vast superior solution, how come its use is in massive decline?"
Microsoft are having a big surge in their attempts to lock users into their "ecosystem" at the moment. Basically, same old same old. But it has nothing to do with quality of product.
Re: Not following, why?
"Whatever the deviation in question, "pervert" isn't a neutral description, and by using it, you can elicit stranger negative reactions than would normally be justifiied"
This sounds like a Wikipedia version of journalism where having a point of view is not allowed. Presumably such a castrated type of journalist would, in addition to not calling paedophiles "perverts", restrain from describing Hitler as a "tyrant", or David Ike a "conspiracy nut", nor would they attempt to alert the public to "outrages" such as tobacco companies suppressing the details of cancer deaths in their own research etc.
Point of view is perfectly acceptable, even in an encyclopædia, because we're supposed to be adults and understand that there is no such thing as neutrality or objectiveness and that hiding your point of view actually makes your writing less useful than making it clear up front.
Re: Yeah, right.
Well, firstly, the Russians had probably already stolen the hardware plans and were intending on cloning the whole system, so the software would have been effectively just another component they had to have to make it work. Secondly, the US almost certainly had already stolen the whole lot, as is their wont.
The US's logic is: "we are always right, therefore we can do no wrong, therefore we can do what we like". Couple that with "if you're not for us, you're against us" and it's pretty obvious how we ended up in the mess we're in.
What about the other trial
You know, the one of all the people that broke the 4th amendment. I'd start with George Bush (either one, frankly) and work out from there.
Re: To and from?
"I'm particularly interested in how they could conceal that a letter has been opened."
What makes you think they tried? I had post opened on the way to me from the US and it came with big stamp on it saying "this mail has been opened and inspected by" whatever department it was. That was in 1983.
Jesus Christ, am I the only person that's been paying attention to this?
They've been opening the snailmail for decades and have never hidden the fact. It even says in the story that this was being reviewed in '76, and that wasn't a secret meeting either. Why is this news to anyone?
I mean, I'm glad people are finally getting angry about it but it's very odd that it took so long.
John Smith 19: "Because there just aren't enough snoops to process every physical item in the way every digital item can be stored"
Actually, there are. The NSA employs tens of thousands of people to open the physical mail and, again, has done so for decades.
It's like watching people come out of those sleep machines in Alien.
Re: Shocked, shocked, to hear there is gambling going on here!
+1 for the Casablanca quote :)
"So Google now have to target and vet their ads to state/county/nation level too, and check every local bylaw OR we all end up with a Google that has to censor anything that any tiny little state deems inappropriate."
So, basically, the argument is - and it has been for a long time - that Internet companies don't have to act like normal companies (or pay tax like normal companies) because that would cost them money. Well, cry me a river.
If I publish a magazine, or run a TV channel, I have to obey the laws and I have to show a genuine effort to police the content of the adverts which I am publishing. Similarly, it is YouTube (ie, Google) which chooses to allow content to be posted with being vetted by an editor, whether it is an interesting IT lecture or a film of three men raping a child, or some dickhead selling cancer cures to the scared and vulnerable.
No one has ever made the slightest move to force Google or Yahoo! to have zero editorial control over their content. That was their choice freely made because it was cheaper to not be responsible in the way that other companies have always had to be. They didn't like the rules, so they ignored them. Same with the tax laws, same with copyright laws. If it costs money, then to hell with it.
If that all still sounds like too much hard work for Google, they could try writing a program to automate it or, alternatively, they could fuck off and die and leave the market open for a company that can be bothered to obey the law.
The bottom line here is that Google (and Amazon, and YouTube) are of almost no economic or social importance whatsoever. There are other search engines, there are other book sellers, there are other sites with videos of cats chasing laser pointers. There would be about three days' of fuss and then we'd forget about them as relics of a strange period when governments acted as if these big hollow companies mattered more than the population that elected them. And good riddance.
"I think this really crosses the line. Inside my head is my own special place where I retreat to for privacy and rest."
Well, try dropping dead in Wales and you'll find that the government owns what's inside your head and everything else.
"The cable giant offers access to 200 different channels"
So, that's about 1 decent programme per year per channel, then. If you're lucky.
Re: Governments moral right to the money?
" I also don't plan of having kids. So, where is the benefit I receive from the school taxes. "
From living in a country that's advanced beyond mud huts because of the education system, you idiot.
Many broken windows on trains.
Re: great, another OS!
"the average consumer is CONFUSED already."
The average consumer is confused the moment they wake up in the morning.
"Google may actually be right by the letter of the law here"
I doubt it. This is the company that instigated the biggest copyright infringement of all time because they felt like it. They have shown many times that they have no respect for either the spirit or the letter of the law and consequently I don't believe their claim that they have not done anything wrong this time. They're just a bunch of crooks.
Re: Mein Kampf is many things...
"I've always thought everyone should read it."
Well, I know what you mean but it is pretty unreadable. He basically rants incoherently through the whole thing, often contradicting himself on the same page, sometimes the same paragraph. I don't believe anyone could read it cover to cover unless they were already insane.
Social and Anti-Social Housing
The reason it takes so long to transfer across council housing is the lack thereof, which leads to long waiting lists. Since the shortage was caused by the massive selling off of council stock under Thatcher and her clones, this is not a case of social housing being even worse than private ownership but of private ownership being even worse that it appears. Indeed, the bulk of economic problems we have today are due to the home-ownership fetish of Thatcherite politicians, including Blair and Brown.
All it's given us are over-priced crap houses provided by industrial-scale cowboy builders like Barratts and their ilk. And, of course, something like 800,000 empty homes in the middle of a "housing shortage".
Console games always follow a similar pattern: launch games are good because a lot of time and effort has gone into them, and the last handful of games is good because the coders have mastered the system. In between it's not so great as deadlines push quality down while coders are still learning what works well.
Re: holy war fire flinger
"If I had to give advice to any comp sci student it would be learn C++ early. "
Presumably so that if they design their own languages they'll have a huge list of mistakes to avoid. Like not having garbage collection for decades while pretending your language is object oriented.
"I will probably still have gainful employment a few decades from now due to that knowledge"
Yes, because shit software will need more maintenance for longer. What a total waste of money.
"thinks that some goat-herding stone-age tribe"
To be fair, they were iron-age. The oldest parts of the Bible only go back to about 800-600 BC; the book of Daniel only to about 150BC. Still a load of rubbish, like, but relatively recent rubbish.
Re: @Tom 7 (Any programming language is a tool)
"I wrote it in C and assembly language, both of which are much simpler than C++."
Amen, brother. I suspect that the C++ rah-rah team on here has never actually used another language. It's garbage. Uncollected garbage at that.
"I present as proof the 3rd edition of his tome in which he uses the English language in a manner which is a very long way away from it's normal role of passing information from one person to another. Horrific book"
Yeah; easily the most badly written computer book I ever bought. The man's a menace to languages of all sorts.
Re: Tax avoidance via a technicality
"You can't tax solely on turnover. Let me put it in simple terms. If my profit margin is 10% (I buy widgets at 90p and sell at £1), where does the extra 12p per widget come from to pay tax at 22%? If I sell 1000 widgets, I make £100 profit. If I have to pay £220 profit, where do I find the extra £120?"
Obviously a turnover tax would not be levied at 22%. Duh.
Re: How about the REST of the "Browsers"?
"It should also concern those who favor Opera in the EU browser wars and those who dislike Google/Android."
Well, I can't see Opera on the graph, so I don't know whether to be concerned or not. I'm going for "not" as browser infections are vanishingly rare unless the user is a moron.
Re: Wade Burchette Land of the Free?
"but as it's your first time why don't you try posting some original thought as to what Jefferson may have meant?"
Jefferson was a slaver. Thus, his opinions on liberty are about as worthless as they get.
Re: btrower Edward Snowden should get 2 Four Freedoms Medals
""....If they are willing to actually kill people without a trial, they won't be afraid to peek in on your Email....." If you mean "targetted assassination", such as a drone strike,"
Same thing. Exactly the same thing.
"That is what passes for affirmation in what I think is the deeply corrupt world of self-publishing"
And what would one call the shelves full of ghost-written pap by people who's only achievements have been a spray-tan and fake boobs?
"you're all so important we have FISA warrants and Extraordinary Rendition teams waiting on every single one of you to walk out of your house, flat or office to take you to GTMO and waterboard you."
Technically, yes. That's the philosophy behind this - we don't know ahead of time who's going to turn into a terrorist, so we have to be ready to lift, torture, and kill anyone at all at any time and still be able to fob the world, or at least our bosses, off with the story that the person was reading "bad" websites. It is paranoia, but it's paranoia on behalf of the NSA who have always been like this, even when they had to open everyone's mail by bloody hand (which they did for years, at least for mail crossing the border). That's why they're the biggest security agency in the US - they literally need the manpower to do the industrial level domestic snooping that is their job. And they've never given the slightest shit that it's unconstitutional and never will because they think the constitution is left-wing pinko hippy wank that protects the guilty.
"Instead of collecting and storing the data on you though, they sell it to the highest bidder instead. But noone seems to complain about that "
You've clearly confused this website with some other one. People here complain about that all the time "you are the product" is practically a chant here when Google etc are mentioned. And anyway, how does the fact that these companies will sell you to the highest bidder make the NSA's taking the information for free any better?
Re: Edward Snowden should get 2 Four Freedoms Medals
"he took a position of trust, and betrayed that trust."
Just like his employers. So I guess they're even.
"Was anyone really surprised by the information that the spy services are spying on us?"
Oh, so no harm done, then? Make up your mind.
Re: @Robert Long 1 (was: @grantmasterflash (was: And Eric Schmidt's climatological ::snip:: ...)
"And yet you, <atkinson>Bob</atkinson>, seem to think you are qualified to comment on the situation? Are you capable of understanding why educated people might have a problem with your commentary, <atkinson>Bob</atkinson>?"
You have turned the argument around and in the process lost the point. We're not arguing about grape growing in Scotland. We're arguing about climate change. You put forward grape growing as evidence of something. I pointed out that it was not clear to me what it was evidence of. If you can't clarify that then it is not useful information in the debate we're actually having (ie, the one that's not about growing grapes in Scotland).
Meanwhile, scientists have published stats and papers about climate change which we can all read and evaluate. That's what makes us all "qualified" to judge what the truth is. Indeed it is one of the processes which marks science out from religion - we don't have to wait for the priests to tell us what the truth is.
My original sarcastic remark was in reference to a post that implied that Eric Schmitt is not a high priest and should therefore know his place, while you, of course, remained by implication in a privileged position as a judge of who is allowed and who is not allowed to speak on this subject.
So much data, so little worth
What a titanic waste of resources.
Re: what does it matter?
"What Google have shown is that if you can control the buzz effectively then you can make money even if your movie is a stinker."
Titanic already proved that, and using the Internet to boot. This is not news.
Re: @grantmasterflash (was: And Eric Schmidt's climatological background is ... What, exactly?)
"Likewise, nobody's growing wine grapes between Hadrian's Wall and the Antonine Wall anymore, despite the fact that The Romans demonstrably were."
Well, this one comes up quite often but it seems to me to be an economic question. I don't know if it's possible to grow grapes there - although I'd not be surprised if some ancient type of grape could be - but I do know that transporting wine from anywhere in the entire world to the UK today is cheaper today than transporting it from France to Newcastle was in the days of Roman rule, so local growing was more attractive even if the quality was low. Combine that with yield changes over 2000 years of vine breeding and changes in tastes (would anyone today want to drink wine from the sort of grapes that will grow in Scotland?) and the grape-growing argument seems to me to fade off into the box marked "needs more research".
"Isn't this the kind of thing they wanted to do here after the Leveson report, state and celebrity control of the media."
Re: And Eric Schmidt's climatological background is ... What, exactly?
And yours is?
Re: The Price of Vance
"Basically £4.99 across all the retailers for the books I looked at. Regardless of the quality of the work, it's a lot to pay when the bulk of the books were first published at least 30 years ago."
What a moronic bit of reasoning. £5 for hours of quality entertainment and all you can whine about is that it's - what? - not about mobile phones or something?
It would be nice to be able to modify the TV and take some of the junk off the menus, and block "sponsored partner of the day" apps completely.
So: how do I use this info to get a command line on my Samsung?
Re: $100Bn cash pile
""They have, or take, the right to tax the income of their citizens" 35% of it? Frankly, whichever way you look at that, it's wrong"
In what way?
Re: $100Bn cash pile
"I'm questioning the law, why does the US Federal Government think that it has a right to tax money not made in the US? "
They have, or take, the right to tax the income of their citizens; what real relevance is it where the income started? What matters is that it's income of a USian.
Re: $100Bn cash pile
"If, as Apple have claimed, they have already paid tax on this income earned in other territories, why does the US feel it has any kind of entitlement to 35% of it?"
Well, aside from any logic, it is consistent with other rulings on tax in the US.
I have some sympathy with this approach: if you are a UK subject, for example, you pay UK income tax and if you are resident in France then you obey French law. That will have disadvantages, sure, but what's the logic of not doing so? Do we say that when we're in another country that we don't have to obey the law? Or that if we make a billion quid we don't have to pay tax on it if we're paid the cash while on holiday?
Re: "a web-based mobile future isn't just appealing, it feels inevitable"
"Anyone thinking ObjC is better than C++/Java has got to be an Apple fanboi."
"but for serious stuff I found C syntax to be far more useful."
Obviously, C is much faster than something as dynamic as Smalltalk but that's nothing to do with the syntax. Smalltalk's syntax is far cleaner than the C++/Java syntax.
Re: $100Bn cash pile
"As I recall one of the problems Apple have is if they try to bring the cash back into the US they'll be hit with something like 30% tax so effectively they have this huge cash pile showing up as profit but they can't use it for anything."
That's not a problem: you just bring the cash into the US and pay the 30% tax and then use the other 70% for stuff you want to do. I see no difficulties.
Re: To be fair to MS...
"I go to get a coffee and what I want is a coffee, I don't want to have to chose between a whole bunch of different varieties, "
Well, no one who's preference is available WANTs to have to look through the options they don't want. I use WindowMaker and I'm very happy with it. I'd love the GNOME and KDE projects to clear off and put their resources into improving WindowMaker or something else that I do use.
But, when your preference isn't available, that's when you understand the attraction of "fragmentation", especially at the user desktop level where it does no real harm to program functionality.
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