* Posts by Lusty

1686 publicly visible posts • joined 12 Jun 2009

Picture this: An exabyte of cat pix in the space of a sugar cube of DNA

Lusty

"the data can get stale before you finish writing it."

This is for archive storage, not backup. You're making the same mistake as those who put backups in AWS Glacier and those who consider old backup tapes to be an archive. Backups (i.e. recovery points) need to be local and fast as a general rule because you are expecting to need them. Archives need to be protected, complete, and cheap because you are expecting to almost never need them but the data is important enough to keep or regs require it.

GDS has no real strategy for £450m budget pot, internal plan reveals

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Re: The one was deadlines was written in Belfast

That worked because putting some information up on websites is a small scope. Why do government always think full transformation is the answer. How about identify one need and work on that. If you pull it off we'll give you some more budget.

We just need to accept that actually "rework with experience" is ALWAYS cheaper than "planning but never starting work in the first place".

The key to successful IT is often to stop writing documents and just get on with it. Just like every other industry.

Cisco slots in Xeon v4s

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Re: Is it just me?

yes, but those people purchasing 10,000 servers won't be swapping the CPU either. They will also order what they need and leave it alone.

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Is it just me?

I don't change my servers often enough to need rapid CPU changes. Who is this even aimed at, and what reason do they have for changing the CPU in a server more than once in it's life? Is there an admin out there who genuinely changes from a 6 core CPU to a 22 core CPU ready for month end so they are somehow optimised for the workload? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for this in the cloud and possibly on virtualisation, but on a physical server the general rule is to leave it the heck alone.

Your pointy-haired boss 'bought a cloud' with his credit card. Now what?

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Re: Missing the real point

@naselus most of your assumptions about cloud are incorrect. Infosec on cloud is every bit as mature as on premise, and 4k video is fine in the cloud if you understand the full lifecycle of the data and work with the cloud rather than against. It's not always the solution, but you seem to assume its always not the solution, and to paraphrase your post "Having to explain this sort of thing to supposedly intelligent people gets tiresome after the 15 millionth time."

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Re: Missing the real point

@TRT I hate to say it but what you describe there is what's driving this. If your job is to code the website and they ask you to code it a certain way then your opinion is not important - the business wants it that way and they actually don't have to explain their reasoning to you. Yes, I agree that your way probably is better. Yes, it makes more sense, saves some CPU cycles etc. but is it what the business wants? NO.

IT suffers from a lot of people who feel a driving urge to do things correctly. We suffer massively when some arty or managey type decides to do things differently because we can't accept their requirement - it's not correct therefore I can't implement something inferior. Sometimes the solution is JFDI - save the argument for the big stuff. In your case, pagination won't cause any actual issue so you may as well comply before you are worked around. When PHB asks you to retain customer data indefinitely, breaking the DPA that's a business issue and you would be right to argue.

Hybrid cloud is a neat concept – but we need to be able to move data

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Re: Completely overlooking the obvious

I think you may have read more than I wrote!

My point was that traditional applications don't need to move to the cloud, they certainly don't need to span between clouds and they definitely don't need to be split between on prem and cloud just because a vendor said cloud bursting was cool. My example was one of where cloud bursting is perfectly feasible right now with no changes. I also said that if you want to re-architect then cloud is great and yes you can use more than one cloud. That doesn't mean on prem and cloud though, if you're cloud architected then you've accepted the cloud so keeping some stuff on premise doesn't often add a lot to the scenario. I've done all of these scenarios in the real world, and crowbar hybrid is the absolute worst use-case where people just put bits arbitrarily in the public cloud.

Lusty

Completely overlooking the obvious

This article assumes from start to finish that we're keeping the same application architecture. That's why you're having problems with "Hybrid cloud". It's because hybrid cloud doesn't exist, it's a marketing term. If you take a few steps back and work out what you're trying to achieve then hybrid cloud is simple.

Take, for instance, a retailer with a website. They have 4 visitors an hour for the whole year until black Friday when they have 30,000. It's entirely possible to host this internally and use "hybrid cloud" to precache results once a year in the cloud, or to spin up new web farms in the cloud. They could shard the site so that heavy lifting is done in the cloud and realtime data operations on prem.

Here's the clever bit though, and listen carefully because I'll only say this once...they could just architect for the cloud and not bother with hybrid. Since you're suggesting moving back and forth anyway we can assume that regs and security are fine with cloud, so just go cloud and reap the benefits.

Without exception, every vendor I have seen pushing hybrid cloud where data or VMs move more than once has no real cloud strategy. They are trying to delay the inevitable day when someone who actually understands this stuff re-architects the applications to work in a cloud friendly way. In many industries, the apps will never be re-architected. Not because they can't be, but because the incumbent vendor will be sidelined by a better one (Concur, O365, Salesforce, Xero, the list gets bigger by the day). Once that happens, it's too late and the old vendor is in Novel/VMware land with a great product whose time has passed.

Nutanix cracks its first $100m quarter

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Re: Please sir...

How was that wrong? I covered that scenario above and stated quite correctly that this gives worse latency than traditional SAN due to all the communications involved. Traditional SAN has two controllers in the same box with coherent caches, because traditional SAN was designed specifically for the purpose.

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Re: Please sir...

The same data consistency issues faced by any single controller networked disk storage solution. There are two methods possible, either confirm the write when one controller has the data for low latency but at the risk of data consistency problems, or confirm the write when two controllers have the write which gives worse latency/speed than traditional SAN but does do proper data consistency. There is a lot of stuff in traditional SAN to ensure you don't lose or corrupt data, and SDS addresses very few of these things and worse hides others from the admin. This isn't a Nutanix issue it's pretty much all the converged solutions because they all rely on SDS.

In order to mitigate some of this, you can put in expensive networking and higher powered hosts. You've already bought far more disk than traditional SAN would need due to the network RAID requirement, so overall you end up buying more hardware than you would have with traditional solutions.

Converged works well for VDI - here you don't give a monkeys about consistency of data and you need standard building blocks with known resources. For everything else, normal hardware is still better overall and nobody outside marketing would believe otherwise if they actually a) knew the subject and b) took the time to investigate pricing and c) took the time to discover how the whizbang solution works.

For the record, I have not encountered inconsistencies - because I understand how the solution works, so I'd never put anything important on it without a good reason. Your experience is pretty normal, everything looks fabulous until it isn't. You clearly have yet to hit a problem scenario such as power loss or other sudden host failure and I hope you never do because at this stage I assume it's too late to put something in which will protect your data. In the mean time, buy a really big UPS and configure it properly and that will protect you a little.

Memory and storage boundary changes

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Re: Some missing data points

Technically, mercury delay lines had zero latency because at the time programmers optimised their code to execute as the data arrived at the end, and optimised the tube to be the required length. The term "optimised code" has been abused ever since...

Lusty

300ms?

If your SAN has 300ms latency something is very very wrong. Are you suggesting this SAN is being accessed in London from New York over an Internet VPN or something?

Google tried to be funny, cocked it up, everyone thought it was a bug

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Facepalm

SaaS

So they want to be a trusted SaaS provider while occasionally putting buggy joke features in? Sounds perfect for corporate environments.

Intel's Broadwell Xeon E5-2600 v4 chips: So what's in it for you, smartie-pants coders

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Re: 3.5

Turboboost is based on thermal envelope for the whole package so yes, it would be theoretically possible to do, and Turboboost does already dynamically change things depending on current workload so in your case while "the process" runs one core could run at 4.2 then when it finishes all six could run at 3.6.

Of course, you could take the easy route and build a server with one 22 core and one 6 core then use various gubbins like NUMA and core affinity to tie virtual machines to the right cores. Or take the really easy route and just buy two servers :)

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Re: 3.5

"So the fastest is 3.5GHz?"

No, the fastest base clock is 3.5GHz. The fastest core is much better than that - I think at the moment it's about 4.3GHz in the "old" Xeon range. You do have to sacrifice cores and use Turboboost but clock speed isn't dead completely.

I think IBM have a 6GHz chip available, but you may have to change architectures to use it :)

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Re: hear that

"That is awesome."

For some workloads, yes. For things like databases where single thread speed matters the 6 core part running over 4GHz (Turboboost) is still king. If you look closely at Turboboost, a 12 core chip has very similar overall compute to a 6 core chip.

When should you bin that old mainframe? Infrastructure 101

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Re: I think the headline ...

Some companies have to keep older kit alive. Sometimes the old kit still does the job it was designed to do perfectly. Sometimes regulatory requirements mean that assuring new systems is time consuming and difficult, and so isn't done on a whim just because some new shiny is available. I for one am quite happy for nuclear reactor safety systems to be left alone rather than replaced arbitrarily with DevOps rich Javascript change heavy nonsense which breaks when a developer throws his toys out just because it's flavour of the month and someone with no experience of safety systems declares that old stuff needs replacing because it's old. If there are spares and support available for a period longer than required to replace something there is sometimes no good reason to replace it.

Here's a great idea: Let's make a gun that looks like a mobile phone

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Re: "Absolutely no one can make sense of the United States' infatuation with firearms."

"A well-armed populace employs its government instead of fearing it."

We get to see your current events too. Have you considered education as a first method for avoiding poor government? Seems daft to vote in morons and then shoot them for being morons. Not that you've been controlling your government with your guns, it's very clear that anyone with sufficient funds can influence the US government quite easily and true democracy has been dead and buried for quite some time over there.

Amazon WorkSpaces two years on: Are we ready for cloud-hosted Windows desktops?

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Re: I presume...

It is data centre rack space if we're comparing vdi on prem to this.

You're assuming that J&J paid list price. In my experience very few people end up paying list price for cloud, and at that scale Amazon certainly would have been happy to negotiate a bit. The cost of managing 16k machines is not insignificant, nor the cost of the various management and monitoring software required to support it. I'm not saying this is cheap, but I bet it's closer than you think it is, and they don't have to have all those miserable IT staff clogging up the place. That alone could have saved them 200 desktops, desks, floor space etc. Which adds to the cost difference. Those 200 staff also don't need HR, payroll, pensions, parking, company cars....

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Re: I presume...

"1k/year is an awful lot for a system that could probably be set up in house for not much more than that"

I assume that in your calculations you included the cost per square foot of office space to make the data centre, cost of installation and maintenance of both resilient power and cooling systems, cost of structured cabling and data centre networking and routing equipment, and the licensing, design and configuration of the virtual platform on which the desktops will sit as well as the storage systems driving them?

I would put money on Amazon having properly done those sums...

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Re: Optimistic pricing

"I'm unable to think of a case for me which isn't better solved other ways."

It might not be aimed at you, not everything is. J&J seem happy with it, and their use-case is to ensure that none of their data leaves the AWS cloud. This implies all their research data lives up there too so from an IP protection standpoint it would appear this is worth while. While there's no reason they couldn't have done the same in their own data centre, there are plenty of AWS features which are cost prohibitive to do internally, and certainly that internal IT never do as well as Amazon.

NetApp dropped the ball by letting EMC gobble Data Domain

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There are alternatives around, HPE StoreOnce for instance is getting quite feature rich. Part of the lack of comparable things is down to the legacy nature of the technology. It's a quite old fashioned way of looking at data protection these days (when you properly think data protection all the way through) so I think everyone just accepted that DD can have the money while it lasts. I certainly don't see why NetApp were crowbarred into the article. While they aren't making money by selling DD boxes they do have a strategy for this kind of stuff and that strategy doesn't involve making extra copies of data or adding bandwidth requirements to the SAN. From a profit perspective perhaps NetApp made a mistake, but from a marketing perspective this fits nicely with their efficiency message.

Ben Nevis embiggened by a metre

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Well, they used GPS this time so probably used WGS84. I don't think that was about in 1949 so probably the datum and geoid are different. That said the OS do like to use their old ones though so may have been converting as they went.

Streaming speaker biz Sonos lays offs workers as it finds its voice

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Re: Say What? Eh

I think it's their way of describing listening to a stereo as opposed to headphones. They can't say stereo experience, because their stereo doesn't do stereo so using the generic term is awkward here. The funny thing is that my quadrophonic system from the 80s (in classy silver) was also always referred to as a stereo. Of course my "old fashioned" 80s stereo also had controls you could use to operate it independently, and it could play things locally, and accepted multiple inputs. In fact, it was better in every single way than the Sonos, and in real terms was a fraction of the cost. The only downside was that it was huge by todays standards and needed speaker wires to deliver the sound to diverse corners of the room.

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Re: @ Lusty

Really? My play 5 and play 3 both only had one speaker in the box. Both of them output two channels of sound but that isn't sufficient to make them stereo as far as I'm concerned

Lusty

Why does everyone keep saying Sonos are high sound quality? It's acceptable, sure, but no match for even a mid range stereo from the 90s. Sonos isn't even stereo unless you buy two per room for goodness sake!

This isn't a good move for them, they aren't agile enough to compete with Amazon and not popular enough to compete with Apple. The best thing any wireless speaker company could do right now is make a great API so when we ask Siri or Echo to play a song they can seamlessly play it on the wireless speaker. Heck, I'd even settle for being able to stream sound from an iPhone to a Sonos but they are playing the proprietary game thinking they are bigger than they are. Sonos make nice devices but there is a whole lot wrong with them and this goes in a direction other than improvement.

Nest: It's no longer all about you. Now it can recognize your kids, too

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Re: @Lusty (was: What is the obsession

What I meant was that I wasn't asking to be awkward - I just didn't know what Americans call what we call gas.

GSHP is all well and good if you have some ground to source heat from. A very large proportion of the UK use gas central heating which does burn fossil fuels. While many may be able to take the extremely expensive option of rip and replace, most of us prefer to make our existing systems more efficient since it's easy and doesn't have a huge up front investment.

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Re: What is the obsession

@yugguy I bet it's dead romantic in your house with slippers, scarves and hats. In my house I wear what makes me comfortable. I'm not a fan of slippers, I am a fan of shorts though. I'm a big fan of lingerie and get to see it far more often when the lady in question isn't shivering!

Yes, slippers are one solution to the cold. A warm house is another solution. Each to their own, the money I save while not heating an empty house offsets my unnecessarily warm house while I'm there. If I was in every day I might buy slippers and do what everyone else seems to do. I could have bought some nice unicorn fur slippers for the cost of my hive too ;)

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Re: What is the obsession

I never said I was important or busier or even better, although I'm thinking it now given your various posts. I didn't even say I had a Nest although your wording smacks of jealousy.

What I actually said was my life is less regimented than yours. I don't have a routine and so find the remote aspect of my Hive system extremely useful. I'm not hot under the collar either, just a bit baffled why you're so annoyed about a technology you've never even tried.

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Re: What is the obsession

@jake my house is a constant 21C when I'm home too. Keeping it at that temperature for two weeks when I'm away is irresponsible. I realise America doesn't believe in science/global warming but the some of us like to avoid needlessly burning fossil fuels where possible even if only to save money. I'd imagine gas is cheaper where you are than the UK too. No idea what you call has since that's what you call petrol. When I say gas I mean the one that actually is a gas rather than a liquid. Sorry this post wasn't intentionally anti American I don't even know if you are from there I just find translation to standard English difficult sometimes as a Brit.

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Re: What is the obsession

@Yugguy my house is plenty insulated, and the air does warm up in under an hour. I don't agree that 19 degrees is warm though, my preference is warmer than that on a cold winter evening. Things like floors, sofas, chairs, wine, beds etc. being cold is not my preference. I don't apologise for this. Technology allows ME to get MY house the way I like it. If you disagree then fine but that doesn't mean I shouldn't use the technology to make myself happier.

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Re: What is the obsession

"when you are going to be away for a few days you probably know which day you will be back"

No, please don't assume things. I very rarely know when I am returning since the return time and date is based on completion of work, not on booking time in. I also enjoy sailing, the return from which is often based on weather events rather than a schedule.

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Re: What is the obsession

"You know nothing about me"

No, I don't know anything about you. Except that you were too narrow minded to see a real use case for this technology and that you assumed I am lazy because I use it. I know that you assumed everyone lives their lives in the same way that you do where a regular timer (and by implication routine) is sufficient for controlling the heating. You still seem to be assuming I am lazy despite my clearly explaining a different use-case where I have no idea when there will be people in the house and am often exhausted when I get home so appreciate that it's warm enough to sleep when I get there.

Not sure where the aggression is coming from, presumably new information hurts your head and gives you the grumps?

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Re: Already doing this

This is such a poor way to control heating. You're essentially guaranteeing to come home to a cold house, and also that you're wasting energy in the hour before leaving the house. Maybe it suits your lifestyle but I can't see the benefit. I realise that if you're very regular Google will track your movements and start predicting them, but then if that's the case a timer would surely suffice? If a timer won't work then predictive analysis surely wouldn't work either?

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Re: What is the obsession

Everyone else doesn't have the same repetitive lifestyle you do. Timers don't work for me. At all. I am not back at 6pm every day, I'm not even back every day. Sometimes I'm not back every week. Sometimes I don't leave the house for a few days as I work from home. When I'm away in a hotel all week a timer would simply be burning gas. Using the local control the house would be cold when I got home and take several hours to properly warm through (yes, the air does get to 20 degrees in under an hour, but the rest of my possessions remain cold).

So, before I leave work a few hours from home I will knock up the heating to comfort temperature. When I return home the house is warm, and I've not been wasting gas and money all week. When I work from home I don't sit shivering until I remember the timer has switched off the heat.

Some people use technology to make their lives easier. If you can't understand that this may not be the site for you.

Nutanix: Yo, we heard you liked convergence, so we converged files in your hyper-converge kit

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Disgruntled? In what way? Nutanix doesn't even remotely compare to a NetApp for anyone who understands the subject. NetApp allow for low latency multi-controller consistent storage, Nutanix do not. NetApp allow fine grained directory based access control on their file services, Nutanix do not. The list goes on, and it's not just NetApp who do these things, most proper storage vendors who don't rely on marketing to sell to people who don't know better have these same features.

As luck would have it, though, public cloud will kill the lot off in a few years so it won't be a problem :)

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Well it's different I'll give them that. Not many companies can thrive by solving problems that don't exist with solutions that are consistently worse than the existing mature competitors. Their marketing department are truly wizards.

Home Office is cruising for a lawsuit over police use of face recog tech

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You've had four years and taken no action at all. Format the database. Today. Or go to prison, yes the law does apply to you me information officer.

Stop whining, America: Your LTE makes Europe look slow

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I wasn't aware that the US had a problem with speed, I always thought the issue was cost and competition. While it's great to have high speed access if you are getting shafted for the privilege because there is only one provider you'll still not be happy.

SQL Server for Linux: A sign of Microsoft's weakness. Sort of

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Re: Weakness? More like hard-headed reality.

"Wonder what they will port to Linux next?"

This has nothing to do with porting to Linux, and nothing to do with SQL Server. This is entirely down to competing with AWS and becoming the second public cloud and gaining market share. Microsoft are not stupid, they can see that in the very near future software licensing will bring them almost no money. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make all their software free and/or open source. In the meantime, they have to prove they play well with others to be a trusted cloud platform. This will allow them and AWS to become and remain the two primary public cloud providers - Google may join them but their plans are not so clear and their implementation behind in features. The future for Microsoft is as a service provider and this is a step to ensure that transition is a smooth one.

Home Ebola testing with a Tricorder? There's an app for that

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Re: Criteria for selection??

"Will Joe or Josephine Bloggs be allowed to decline such a test at a country's port?"

You can't decline now. The only difference here is the speed of the test and the portability of it. They were already doing the genetic testing you just had to wait in quarantine longer. Present data protection law already covers this perfectly; you're only allows to keep people's data for as long as it is useful for the task you collected it for. Carparks are required to ditch the ANPR as you exit the carpark assuming you've paid, and border control are required to ditch your genetic data if you're found clean within a reasonable time period. They are not allowed to store and analyse it without having a good reason.

Once these become home kits though, then you'll need to decide whether to upload your info to the cloud. Given the likely processing requirements you'd probably have to to use the device, but then the device is only useful if we gather sufficient data to make it meaningful anyway so catch 22. Personally I am worried about the consequences for privacy, but I think the benefits to mankind outweigh that. I also think anyone abusing the data would very quickly be slapped down by society. At the sort of scale we're talking about these things tend to self regulate - even Facebook put privacy controls in eventually!

Google splats more bad Android security bugs with patches your mobe will probably never see

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Who are Blackberry?

Eight in ten IBM Global Tech Services roles will be offshore by 2017

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Offshore?

"Global Services". Technically "offshore" would be the moon, surely? In a globally delivered service, someone will end up having service delivered from over a border and generally that someone will live in a wealthy country. If you want guaranteed work, cost less or have a skill that can't be outsourced elsewhere. Sadly most of this stuff can appear to be satisfactory when sent elsewhere. We can argue about whether the service is as good all we like, but it's management who decide and they probably have no idea what you do anyway or what the output needs to look like.

Amazon douses flames, vows to restore Fire OS fondleslab encryption

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Re: So Oposing Terrists is not right?

Nothing wrong with opposing terrorism at all, but to stop it you need to fix root causes. I don't know anything about the circumstances of these people, and neither do you. What we do know is that they lived in a country with free uncontrolled access to firearms. We also know that due to circumstances or mental health issues they chose to buy and use those firearms on innocent people.

Destroying the privacy and rights of the other 6 billion people on the planet as a result would only seem to drive more problems. Perhaps start with controlling the guns? Then maybe set about dealing with the mental health issues, education issues and poverty issues etc. Which lead people to harm their fellow citizens.

Also, destroying privacy will not and can not prevent future attacks. That is the nature of terrorism, it works within any system you care to construct unfortunately so we may as well be free if we can't be safe. Privacy removal has been shown over and over to cause harm directly or indirectly to large portions of society, and that is why it's important to push for it. Many people have died fighting wars for your freedom, honouring them takes more than a minute silence on Memorial Day.

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"At least we live in times where opposing encryption is PR suicide."

Yes, but worryingly we also live in times where it took the largest company on the planet to stand up to government oppression. This shouldn't have been necessary given all of the references to freedom in American law. I know I'll get some down votes for this, but before you click that thumbs down take a moment to consider how many people became terrorists who were happy and free. The best and only way that we can stop terrorism is to work towards everyone globally feeling like they are genuinely free and out of poverty. Religion may be the banner, but wealth and freedom is most definitely the driver.

Of course there are the other types of "terrorist" which could be prevented by better care for the mentally ill.

How exactly do you rein in a wildly powerful AI before it enslaves us all?

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Re: There's a simple solution

You think a plug will be useful with an AI cleverer than any human? Social engineering would be trivial to such a thing and it would just talk us out of it until it's too late.

I strongly disagree that we need to wait until the 40s for this to happen. They seem to be ignoring that although "human intelligence" levels are beyond us today, it is very much not beyond us to build a machine with enough intelligence to build a better machine. The difference is focussing the task, "human intelligence" implies a machine capable of understanding all subjects like we do and we really don't need a machine of that capability to design one of that capability. If we build a machine today which has the single task of designing a new machine I would expect results in 5-10 years at the latest. Current machine learning is already scary good at this kind of thing.

The problem we really need answering is how to define tasks for the AI. Ask it to make people smile and surgery might be the result. Ask it to make us happy and drugs might be the result. We either have to be extremely specific of make sure the machine understands a subtle request.

Bill Gates can’t give it away... Still crazy rich after all these years

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Re: I didn't get rich by writing checks

"CHEQUES"

Aww you still think British English is going to be the global standard? It's 2016, wake up and read the Internet!

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Obama's last act as president will be to replace all the launch controls with comedy red panic buttons. He has to live there after all!

Got Oracle? Got VMware? Going cloud? You could be stung for huge licensing fees

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Re: It might just be the price of doing business with Oracle

But VMware is fully supported just not as a hardware partition. This is because it doesn't offer that feature at all. It's supported and there is a legal and straightforward way to licence on VMware. If you don't follow that then it is neither Oracle's fault not their problem, you'll be asked to make up the difference in licence fee when you're audited. Every software company works like this. MS has identical rules on SQL server with the exception that they don't support any hardware partitioning because it's Windows only. You may not understand what I've just said but that doesn't make you right.

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Re: It might just be the price of doing business with Oracle

" legal small print"

It isn't legal small print. It's quite a large font in quite a short document actually. It also has very little to do with legal and everything to do with setting out how the software is purchased. The document very clearly states that every core on every host in the cluster needs a licence to run a virtual DB server on that cluster. These customers didn't pay for all of those licences, they decided to make up their own rules and presumably bought licences for just the virtual cores on the DB Server. The issue here has nothing to do with the value of the software, the issue is idiot customers setting up systems in such a way as to make licensing all of their hardware necessary even if they only have one database. Had they used a physical server or a one/two node VMware solution they wouldn't be facing this huge bill. Argue all you like, but everyone who understands database licensing (Oracle and MS SQL) knows this is firmly in the category of idiot users and not with legal small print.