The 'Custom' GPU in the 808
Is the same as the one in the Raspberry Pi. And various other Nokia phones of the 808 era, and quite a few million recent Samsung phones.
Not quite as custom as might be implied from the article.
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Well, I sort of agree with the AC - the headlines have been getting more and more stupid, and the articles are not far behind. . This one for example, has absolutely nothing to do with dumbing down, and everything to do with making the first steps easier for first time users, as anyone who had actually tried out NOOBS would have known. SO they have written an article without trying it out, then based a headline of their incorrect understanding of what NOOBS is. So what is that, bad journalism, or good journalism? If the Sun or Fail had done this, you would be up in arms.
Weird, something called NOOBS does almost exactly that! Only bit missing is you actually need to copy the data to the SD card yourself.
Having an installer limits you to the OS the installer was written for - the current scheme works on any device that can write to an SD card.
For those following the Raspi, the biggest hurdle to getting it going is getting the SD card imaged correctly. This would involve using Win32DiskImager on Windows, or DD on Mc or Linux. Neither option is particularly friendly.
SD cards have been made available already imaged, but often the image is out of date.
All NOOBS does is remove the need for special imaging software. You just need a formatted SD card; you download the NOOBS zip, and unpack it to the root of the SD card. When NOOBS runs you can select which OS you want, it creates all the require partitions and sets up the OS for you. There is also some recovery stuff if you manage to break your image somehow.
So, it simply helps the user get on to the first rung of the ladder, which is quite high off the ground. It's not a shortcut straight to the top. It's not dumbing down of the whole experience - just making sure that people can get the Raspi up and running.
So, why not call it cheap and cheerful hardware then, because as you so eloquently put it, that's exactly what it is.
Actually, since you are the journo, would it be possible for you to dig up these figures. I'd be interested to know what proportion of cheap and cheerful phones are replaced within, lets say, 2 years, vs expensive high end phones that are replaced in the same timescale. I'm guessing the high end are replaced more often than the low end (although the high end do have better resale value).
But I'm thinking that is quite possible that the number of each each that end up in 'landfill' (although that's not where they go according the WEE regs in the UK) is going to be roughly similar.
Perhaps I am sensitive. Still better than being anonymous.
But IMNOHO, the term landfill Android is complete nonsense and inappropriate, and therefore should not be used.
And no, I've never complained to the BBC. Although I once wrote a stroppy letter to my village newsletter. I let them have it in no uncertain terms. Although I did forget to send it.
I'm also not a duck, or back to front plane.
Glad to see Jake has admitted he has no answers. Perhaps he'll stop posting complaining whiney nonsense for a while as he tries to think of some? Although that doesn't seem to have worked for Eadon.
It's not surprising really - so many internet people have a opinion, but so few have alternatives to what they complain about.
And what is a 'goo-tard'?
Yes, a big lens makes a difference, but so does having lots of pixels. And the quality of the sensors is going up all the time. I think you would be surprised how good a top spec modern sensor and ISP is - maybe not top DSLR quality, but all those pixels DOES make a difference.
The smooth zooming wasn't done by Nokia or Accenture engineers but by the guy sitting over the desk from me at Broadcom (Cambridge), who supplied the GPU. In fact the majority of camera software work was done here, including the video stabilisation (that was a pain!) although there were some Accenture contractors involved, a couple in software work, the rest in testing.
As for why Pureview is still not yet on the Windows - AFAIK there are still no Windows compatible GPU's that can handle the sensor. I've heard rumours of some interesting camera tech from Nokia/Toshiba (the Pureview 41MP sensor was developed by Toshiba) on the horizon, but still nothing has appeared.
As to the phone itself, I have one, and the biggest problem is the very erratic wireless. The latest update fixed it for a while, but after a few days, stopped connecting to my home router and has never recovered. Works fine in other places, and the router works fine with every other devices I've ever tried to connect. Most odd. Battery life is great, and it's a solid bit of kit compared with the S.Korea devices I now work on!
That for a tech site, so many people can't see past the prototype/first version status of GG.
Next version (and I spent all of 5s thinking about this)..
faster, smaller, less obtrusive, better battery life. Connects to your phone which as a remote display as necessary.
Next Version
faster small, less obtrusive, better battery life, clips on your prescription glasses.
Next version
As above, but display is contract lens based (not sure how they would do that, but hey, it's the future)
Next Version
Implanted, powered off body heat.
Come on people, think ahead a bit!
I don't think it was the tomorrow people but does anyone remember a series where there seemed to be a problem with any sort of technology. I remember children being afraid of electricity pylons etc - couldn't go near them. And I also seem to remember some sort of rock or cave that was causing the effect - may even have the name Merlin associated? Dunno - all help gratefully received - been trying to remember it for years.
Released because it works well enough - being a bit slow is not the same as being full of bugs.
Also turns out that accelerating X with things like OpenVG and OpenGL is almost impossible, as X really doesn't lend itself to it, with lots of very small pixel operations, and of course, if your app is doing lots of rendering in SW, you cannot accelerate that anyway (unless the app actually uses OGLES or OVG). Best you can do is whole window operations (compositing etc) which actually doesn't use that much CPU compared with, for example, a HTML renderer.
that the liberator designer is too stuck in the rut of gun design. Why make a gun look like a gun, why not make something that still uses a bullet* and firing pin, but that is designed to be made, much more solidly, in a 3D printer.
Whichever, as the tech and the designs improves (and they both will, that's the way of the world), this probably will become a problem, even if it isn't at the moment.
*Yes, you still need a bullet. But for how long?
No, not really. The GPU runs at 250Mhzx, and is a twin core 16 way vector/scaler unit (not a DSP). It's not hugely faster, and is ONLY faster when you can SIMD your code. Which is not easy in itself, and harder since it's all done in assembler.
The realtime OS on the GPU is threadx btw.
Opening it up wouldn't get the benefits many seem to think it would. There would be some, but not much for the majority of users.
Actually, there is such a thing as a lack or skilled workers. You pay more, then a skilled worker moves to your place. But he leaves a gap where he left, which needs to be filed with another skilled worker.
If there are fewer skilled workers than jobs, the amount paid is irrelevant to making up that shortfall in the short or medium term.
Er, what has your post got to do with the fact the LP has a medical problem with his voice box which explains why he has been unable to make many long speeches recently?
Or are you using someone's medical misfortune to make some unrelated point?
Here's my unrelated point. If you don't like Google's business practice, don't use them. Will no-one think of the mosquitoes?
If it's all so well known, where is the documentation on the last *car* that did 1000mph so they can refer back to it? Would save a lot of time.
Or how about a comparison with normal cars? The material science and systems have been well known about for years on those, and yet, every year, we get improved models.
Not going to happen in the near future - the 41MP sensor is too big for the current crop of SoC/GPU's/ISP's that run Windows. I'm biased, but I think the only GPU that supports a sensor this big is the Videocore4 (808 Pureview, RaspberryPi), and that doesn't support Windows.
What make you think you need two hands to use this as a phone? It's not so big you need two hand to lift it to your ear for example. Or two hands to type in a number (unless you have really small pixie hands - Beedle sized for example). Or you could use a BT headset and voice recognition if you are really desperate enough to need to phone someone whilst cycling along.
Piss off tarring everyone with the same brush. I get it. YOU don't like Unity. But, and this is where you might have to actually listen to what others say and get a fucking clue, a lot of people DO LIKE Unity. However, they don't feel the need to fling out (derogatory) comments every time Canonical make an announcement.
I use Unity every single day, and yes, there are some rough edges (but a lot less than when it first came out), but I can do EVERYTHING I need to do on the machine with it. Browse, email, dev work. EVERYTHING. It doesn't get in the way, it's easy to use, and it's pretty damn stable. My 7 years old gets on fine with it, as does my 11 year old. Compared with my experiences on Vista and to a lesser extent Windows 7, and it's been a delight.
The implication is that these devices are pretty much worthless and should be consigned to landfill.
But they are not worthless - they work fine, and most people are entirely uninterested in S/W upgrades etc, so will continue to use these cheap and cheerful devices just as long as they would use any other cheap and cheerful device - irrespective of whether they run Android.
You may as well use the phrase "Landfill phone that isn't a top of the range smartphone". It's nothing to do with Android.
...the hatred that Glass seems to have engendered (Bad here, much much worst on Slashdot). Most upsetting are the number of people who seem to be willing to punch the first person they see wearing them in the face.
Now where I come from, if you are in a public place, using a camera is perfectly legal at any time. Whereas punching people in the face without provocation is most certainly not.
I can only assume these people are quite happy to say they will do these things, but actually bothering to leave the parents basement probably means they won't be able to.
That notwithstanding, this is prototype tech, and quite interesting tech at that. I have a feeling it may well become mainstream - there certainly seem to be a lot of possible applications it could be put to, some mentioned above. Battery life is the killer, esp. when using camera as those really soak up the juice, but I think its going to be an interesting couple of years for Glass.
@Dan 55. But its his job to say 'make it so'. He doesn't need to know about API's, scheduling, or any software at all. He designs, software monkeys code. It's the monkeys who need to know about API's, and if necessary tell him what he wants isn't possible,. Then implement it anyway.
In many ways designers should NOT know about the underlying tech, as it will pollute the design process. It's their job to design, not implement.
Oooo, I forgot the compo ration trick. Get a tin of sugar, drill/punch a hole in the top. Insert banger. Light banger, Retire to safe distance. No explosion but my god it makes a loud noise, and the tin ends up a funny shape. Some guy did that on a CCF weekend I was on (sorry Lake Windemere), teacher wandered over wondering what the noise was. Wasn't that bothered in the end since nobody was maimed.
@Badvok.
At no point did Lewis say bleach was harmless. But then, neither is crossing the road, or climbing trees, or driving a car, or owning a gun (well, it is America), or boxing, or flying, or running, or...well, I could go on.
In this particular case, if care is taken, then the experiment is almost certainly harmless. Just like all the examples in my previous sentence.