Re: I cannot believe....
So you haven't actually used one then?
I have. It works!
1837 posts • joined 11 Jun 2009
So you haven't actually used one then?
I have. It works!
What you mean delete Linux and put Linux back on it?
On a side issue I find it funny that Linux could well get its time in the sun desktop wise through the Chromebook but it just wont be the vision of linux the fanbois always dreamed of.
Must admit I hadn't noticed it didn't have a Caps Lock key.
So I guess it's not that important. Folks will be moaning about the missing Scroll Lock key and the fact you can't buy twin-tub washing machines any more next.
Well in my travels I find that connectivity is generally pretty good and not 2001 like at all.
I must say you don't really need 20Mbps connections to get by on a Chromebook. 1-2Mbps works fine.
The thing is I feel a lot of folks think that internet connectivity is still as it was in 2001.
How often in any one day are you away from some form of internet connectivity when you actually WANT to do something?
Its really not that often. I have the broadband at home. I have my 3G tethering on my phone. I have access to BT hotspots and most public places worth their salt have wi-fi available, even trains. The only place you might struggle is on a plane. But the google docs still work offline. It caches all your recent stuff.
But FFS folks there are some occasions you can just switch off. Trust me the world can go on without you for a few hours.
Mark, think you've got a little bit of denial going on there.
Chromebook offers a simpler far less fussy experience than Windows, Apple or Linux.
I was quite anti the idea but once you try it for a few weeks you realise a lot of people are farting around out there with gear that is way too high maintenance for what they need.
Well to be honest the Chromebook is for those that are just tired of -
No need for AV.
Updates happen without you knowing it.
Take the Chromebook out of the box and within 10 seconds of switch on you are up and running.
If you mess it up you just reset it and log in again.
Hardly any settings to mess around with.
No need to learn CLI or other such dark arts.
Works just like Chrome..cos thats what you are used to.
No bizarre UI to get used to.
No worries about backups.
No need to call in the IT chappie/son to fix it.
Oh and it costs £200........
Lot of folks out there who are primed and ready for such an experience.
I had a couple of those Apple logo stickers that you used to get with iPods (dunno if you still get them).
I stuck one on my toilet seat.
Can often hear a chuckle from the toilet when guests come round.*
I call it the iPlop!
*Its a small flat so don't imagine I sit there with my ear to the door.
I always thought single core atoms, 4200rpm HDDs and 600 pixel depth screens killed Netbooks.
They always felt like parts bin specials to me. I see a lot of customers with them and not one has ever said "oh I adore my netbook!"
Usually it's "bloody thing, only good for taking on holiday and then it packed up half way through...."
Everyone I have shown my Chromebook to has gone "oh wow, this is sooo cool!"
Several of my tech buddies have said "this is the solution for my parents!"
Several in my small business network are interested in it too.
All Google has to do is really start pushing it. I think they also need to smarten up and simply the whole Google Apps/Docs thing. It's a bit fuzzy at the moment.
Oh and it runs linux. Just...(adopts ObiWan Kenobi voice and arm gesture)...not the Linux you are looking for!
I currently have three Google accounts on my Samsung.
My main account. A Google Business Apps account and a junk account to let people play around with when I demo it.
All work independently.
Well it seems the problem is that the Govt's own watchdogs just want to look the other way.
I think what has happened is that a lot of people have been 'gotten to' by the banks and the big corporations.
Take a look at the faces of the regulator lawyers in the US when grilled and asked some straight questions.
You can almost see the look of "god don't let her ask about the brown envelopes!"
Yeah I walked into an Alpaca Pete's shop in the US and they didn't sell a single Alpaca! Just loads of products made from them.
Who would have thought.....
Been there 24 years apparently.
Nice little shop.
We all jokingly remarked that we were surprised that Apple hadn't squashed them from orbit in some legal challenge (which is kind of a shame that we all thought that as soon as we saw it) and wondered if anyone had been thick enough to call them for Apple support.
We concluded "Well we are talking about Apple users here!"
Oh how we laughed that crazy hot summers day in Wroxham.......
One day someone really clever will design a plug for computing that actually works. Currently every one of them has some form of flaw.
I find it hard to equate a corporations Green credentials when it now makes impossible to fix/upgrade products using lots of rare metals that is designed to last one week past warranty.
Any device like this should be mandatory for the user to be able to replace the battery and the storage device as a minimum.
With dwindling resources of metals like silver it's crazy that this kit is now classed as purely chuck to landfill and replace.
With a few user replaceable parts there is no reason for laptops and tablets to be able to function for 5+ years.
Sod obsessives and their aesthetic needs, we live in a world that needs to start thinking about making stuff last longer not shorter.
I'm counting the days till we get the following post from him saying -
"NEITHER! THEY ARE BOTH FAIL! Everyone knows that Linux is a far better solution than Coke or Pepsi!"
Then we can call in the guys with the white coats.
Sleep mode and SSDs are a tricky mix. I tend to switch off most of those options when using SSDs.
No your point was just totally over the top. Try a little less testosterone in your posts maybe?
"And a 512GB SSD would be enough for what exactly ?
Booting the OS maybe and just that blah blah blah."
My goodness you build some shitty computers! I wouldnt ask you to run my IT dept!
Yes its all in the access times really. Once you get over 150MBps with near instant access times then application opening etc. becomes moot.
Ebuyer have them for £85.
I have bought half a dozen of the Sandisks (Ultras and Extremes) all of them have worked fine.
...just buy the Sandisk Extreme? That it?
Well It's what I've done already.
No you have to see the funny side.
Yes linux may finally get the desktop/laptop exposure it's always wanted. However, it just wont be the crappy distro/KDE/Gnome/CLI clusterf*ck version of it that the linux fans always dreamed about.
Now thats worth £220 of my money to make that happen and I did.
Yep everyone I've shown my Chromebook to really likes it. Several on order or purchased.
No you just hold back until the press starts getting negative.
Hmmm yes cos the folks at Google are just too smart to not realise selling a top of the range smartphone for half the price wouldn't have been a sure fire hit.
They didn't underestimate demand at all. They had already had dry runs of this marketing technique with the Nexus 7 etc. You want to tell me that Google makes those mistakes over and over?
Make it scarce and buzz gets around and more folks want one. Being scarce isn't necessarily a bad thing, it doesn't reflect badly directly on the product. Folks hear about so many people wanting it and they want in too.
You as a company look a bit of a twat but you just pull the "we didn't realise this product was going to be so danged popular defence!" Then once the buzz settles you release the 4 million in backstock into the channel.
....Ms rolled out 5 million Surface Pros and got slagged off for only selling 1.5 million of them in the first week leaving retailers with masses of unsold stock after 7 days on sale.
No win situation......
Yeah but that might work for the gadgeteers that know how to configure a pagefile etc. but what about the rest of the staff that dont have a clue about how to setup a laptop properly?
Again BYOD only works for the tech smartarses and gadget showoffs.
Office Willy waving of the next generation. It's just another way to create a pecking order.
As an aside the IBM Thinkpads and Dell lattitudes our corp issued us with worked fine. Maybe some firms just need to find better build teams.
And most average joe's home hardware is any better?
I service normal computing folks gear for a living. I have to antibac it before touching most of it let alone have it connect up to a corporate network.
I have to say that laptops costing more than £400 are pretty rare. Not to mention most don't have a working copy of Office or legit software on them.
BYOD was thought up by an small elitist bunch of gadgeteers that didn't want to be part of the herd. However, as usual didn't bother to think how the rest, that really don't give a crap about their computer hardware and showing off how much disposable income they have would fare.
Why are we all wanting to let the company off their duty to provide the tools to do the work?
I would never use my kit for company use. They want me to do the work, they provide the kit.
If this carries on soon you'll find a electricity meter sitting beside your desk that you'll have to fill with your own 50p pieces.
...is that they have painted themselves into a corner design wise.
If they design anything with the slightest hint of any other manufacturers previous design then they are in for even more legal battles.
So they either just keep reconstituting their current design or they come up with something totally un-phone like.
The iPhone doesn't really have any cachet any more though. It's the most common phone around.
When everyone is the same no one is special.
If I see someone I know brandishing an iPhone proudly I just adopt Lili Von Shtupp's accents and say "Oh an iPhone...how ordinewy!"
You should see their little faces drop. Awww bless.
That is all.
Yes prolific with the same post over and over and over again......................
There is a time and a place to put your reasoned argument or counterpoint in a discussion where it can be effective. However, just saying the same thing every time just makes your argument less effective as people either think you are a crank or just blot you out as background noise. Maybe the person has some kind of mental issue. One that involves fixation on a single topic. Would explain a lot.
Yeah its odd. A version of Ubuntu I installed in 2010 was screaming at me that it was no longer supported just a few months ago. Had to install a new version which surprise surprise had a new UI to it!
But that's all okay I guess as it's linux.
One rule for one........
But it you look more closely MS doesn't really do that. When does official full support for XP finish? Thats 12 years old already. Not exactly putting a gun to users heads is it?
Every version of Windows I've bought since XP has cost me less.
Yeah its like digital cameras. The £70 one and the £400 have the same chips and sensors its just that the £70 one has the settings reduced in the firmware to make the £400 one look far better.
...a little bit of Token Ring's efficiency creeping into Ethernet.
Always feel with Ethernet I have a huge V8 Muscle car that's always stuck in first gear.
...oh...hang on, wrong topic, got carried away there!
I do apologise. As you were.
written all over it.
Hang on, do people think that the recognition factor/looks of a machine factor into improving performance/value for money?
What a funny world we live in.
Erm my other half makes responsive websites that automatically re-adjust. move content and resize depending on orientation and screen size. Took her about a day to learn that a few years ago and now puts it into all her sites.
But then again we've seen there are web designers and there are people who pretend to be web designers.
You get what you pay for.
Yes its tedious and boring but it stops you looking a twat later on!
Ditto, Nexus 4.
Yeah that's the joy of having a proper mobile browser. Mates laugh at me when they say the Playbook has hardly any apps. Well when you have a proper browser you don't need that many.
Whist they are dicking around with some hokey third party app, I'm using the full meat and potatoes version on the web.
Reliance on specific apps for web services just reinforces the fact your web browser isn't a proper grown up one with all the features.
Once people get to know more about ChromeOS yes there will be a market for it.
I've had one for a week and already four of the people I've shown it to have bought one. These are ordinary folks and small business people that really do 90% of their computing in the web with a bit of word processing and the odd spreadsheet.
Normal folks just want something quick and simple to use. ChromeOS does just that. No real need for IT support either. That's the big worry for a lot of people here. If ChromeOS goes big a lot of people will be surplus to requirements.
Google just needs to start pushing it. It has a mighty marketing arm and so far I think it's just been doing an extended beta test.
The computing experience for the masses is about to arrive.