Whats the betting.....
....that the public sector will be paying £4000 per Windows 7 Pro PC by March this year when last year they were £1000.
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....that the public sector will be paying £4000 per Windows 7 Pro PC by March this year when last year they were £1000.
....for around £100 and that includes all the plastics, stand, power lead etc. I cant see how much extra a decent 13" panel would add to a £1300 laptop.
There are even decent quality TN panels around that cant cost much more than the standard crap they fit.
Could the Reg maybe do an investigation with the manufacturers as to why they always skimp on laptop screens? Some interviews with their product heads?
Let them put their case forward for their lack of effort.
give comments feedback to the manufacturers? Do they ever ask for it?
Cos it seems to me certain people are not getting the message.
But you'd still know you bought a laptop with a crap screen.
You know the bit you look at all the time...to remind you....
But I do wonder if secretly Apple would just prefer to ditch its entire laptop/PC line and just become a mobile/media corporation.
Must be a distraction by now.
....Getting Cool With Kids or whatever.
Getting hit by a virus etc. is like broken windscreens. You can go years and years without one and then get two in as many weeks.
Just before Xmas 84? I remember Your Sinclair had a pullout section devoted to the QL. I think it's on the internet somewhere on a QL fan site. Anyway I can remember thinking it looked cool and being 13 wanting new computers with 'moar ports' was compelling.
My ambition was to have a computer setup that would allow me to 'hack into and rule the world'. Isn't it great when your imagination outstrips your actual talent! Not to mention your piggy bank.
I think I mentioned to my Dad at the time that the credit card companies were letting customers pre-order the QL without adding it to their monthly credit limits (I guess back then £500 was a high limit). Suffice to say he just shrugged like Dads do, said "Oh really!" and the matter was never taken further.
Looking back I think I dodged a bullet. I wasn't even tempted when two or three years later Dixons were selling them off for next to nothing.
The next computer was a 128K Spectrum+2 (Amstrad Style) and then about a year or two later a 512K Apple Mac (with external floppy too for dual drive). Now I had a computer suitable for taking on the world but aged 17, the finances still didn't allow it. Macs were still damn expensive to run back then.
Suffice to say it was my last Apple PC.
If my 13 year old self could see the gear I have around my flat now, he'd explode.
I think I touched a nerve there! Sit down and drink your Horlicks!
Are your kids sticking labels on your stuff already then?
But they first came out with Linux on...not Windows. So how was MS dictating the spec from day one?
XP didnt come till several months later and Windows 7 Starter arrived well after the netbook party was over (2009+).
Netbooks kind of arrived out of the blue. I think the first one I saw was at a Stuff Show in London, maybe Xmas 2005?
Why do you have to be 'offline'? Your Dad isnt one of those old codgers that still switch their router off when they are not using it?
Like those that only have their mobile on when they need to call you. You know who they are.
Offline happens maybe a twice a year to me.
Yes but you expect it to be slow because you know how the spec will respond.
But I got fed up with Joe Public bringing their netbooks to me asking..."Its really slow...can you make it faster!"
To which the reply was usually "Well your netbook is slow...because its slow!"
Like a Morris Minor owner asking why his car gets pulled over on the Autobahn.
They didn't want me to slap in another 2GB of ram and a SSD, because they paid next to nothing for it so what was the point. Plus it often meant near complete disassembly to get anywhere.
Had they brought me a laptop from 2006/7 I could do something with that. Slap in another GB or two and swap out the old single core Celeron for a £10 Ebay C2D. Bingo, good for a few more years.
Nah, wimpy single core CPUs, slow SSD/HDDs and highly inadequate 600 pixel depth screens was more of a hindrance.
Parts bin specials for clearing out old tech.
People say MS limited the spec but remember the first ones launched by surprise from Intel/Acer/Asus with Linux installed and the hardware spec didn't radically change much from then on when Windows appeared on them several months later.
Well I have a HD 7870 plugged in right now. Remember PCI-e is all backwards/forwards compatible. Also 16GB of ECC ram, two 1TB SSHDs, eSATA card, Soundcard and soon a USB3.0 card.
It's designed to run two GPUs as standard.
As for Mr Jones comment about Windows 7 not transferring files properly but XP will, I think you have it the wrong way chap.
Windows 7 will transfer files all day long with no issue. If there is it will give you options and then carry on.
Whereas XP will get halfway though a 8GB transfer of 10000 files and go "Oh this is a system file! Can't do it!" and just stop dead in its tracks.
So so helpful. XP should die a horrible death for that alone.
Could be your Windows 7 build is messed up so you might need a IT tech to look at it for you.
Buying a new PC?
A month ago I picked up a mint Dell Precision Workstation from 2008.
Dual 2.8Ghz Quad core Xeon CPUs, 8GB of ram, 875W PSU etc. etc.
Haven't we discussed this about nine times already in the past 12 months?
Article looks pretty identical to those as well.
Looks like a space invader to me.
Loads of features, gives as good a performance as my old Draytek before it and costs less than a third of this Linksys.
5GHz wi-fi is very handy living in a city centre too.
..actually at £18.75 a month it does start to make DAB in the car look far more attractive.
...of calling my customers every time their Yahoo email is hacked. Keep telling them to move.
Yahoo basically has zero security. Makes one wonder if there should be regulatory penalties for such things.
Who in the Average Joe world cares about 'open and community driven'?
If it really really mattered to the masses, Linux would be king by now. But who is to say that had Linux become the dominant OS, that big corporate interests would not have moved in and basically taken it over as well. If there is a buck to be made...someone wants to control it.
No, folks want roughly what they are used to and for a good price and size. Everything else is secondary if considered at all.
Does it do what I want with the minimum of hassle?
Ethics rarely comes into gadgets.
Well most people saw the netbook as a handy alternative to lugging a 14" (as they mostly were then) laptop around on holiday.
My laptop back then weighed over 3kg with a brick for a power supply so wasn't a nice thought.
So the use of them for email and a bit of web browsing on hols etc or as a cheap machine for the kids to play on was all well intentioned.
Shortly the shortcomings you list bit hard due to average folks not having a clue about hardware specs and their ramifications. The love turned to hate.
Then tablets arrived that did the whole internet, media consumption and time wasting in a far more expansive and instant manner and netbooks were dead in the water.
Still they had their 15 minutes of fame.
For me Chromebooks are essentially a tablet with a keyboard. Bridging the gap between tablet and full laptop.
Well a search on 'Netbook Spec restrictions' seems to point the finger at both Intel and MS. MS more for machines that wanted to run Windows 7.
Seems Intel set the original spec (Netbooks started with linux after all) that doomed them. Always saw netbooks as a way for Intel to clean out its crap low power stuff that the industry demanded but no one actualy wanted at the time.
It wasn't software or cost that was Netbooks problem.
It was Intels crappy hardware spec restrictions.
Using a netbook was not a satisfying experience whether using Linux or Windows. The poor screen depth and slow CPU just killed the experience for me and many others.
(sits looking accusatory at his long abandoned Acer One wtih Ubuntu netbook edition on it's 8GB SSD)
Amazes me how many laptop reviews we have where people pile in going "Screen not good enough!" but netbooks always get a free pass on that one when their screens couldn't even handle most task/action windows.
....didn't she get pictured at the big BB launch last year Tweeting from....her iPhone about how great BB was?
One would have thought someone would have told her.
So have you actually tried one for more than an hour?
Some of us have found them pretty useful even after being initially dismissive like myself.
Indeed, as I mentioned above, if you don't like the spec then it wasn't designed with you in mind. But you could be surprised.
However, I can think of plenty that would find it useful.
Plus as I say to a lot of Chromebook skeptics, just try one. It's not the device to end all other devices it's another tool in your armory alongside, laptops, tablets and smartphones.
For me it fits the niche of "I like using a tablet but I miss the sheer speed of having a keyboard but don't want to lug around a full size laptop". My svelte 13" Dell just feels like putting breeze block in my bag.
For the price I'll thrash it for two years, buy another, log in in and I'm back up and running.
The OS is improving nicely and so far hasn't given me any niggles. It's become my travel laptop/device of choice over my 13" Windows laptop and 7" tablet.
As you say it tethers nicely and does the job.
The only issue I have with recommending them 100% is printing. For me its not an issue as I try to keep printing to a minimum. My take is if I have to print then I've failed but many shall we say 'senior' people love to print everything and that's the rub. Okay the setting up to print isn't tricky but for the average numpty its a few clicks and a new concept too far.
We'll see what develops this year.
Well I haven't experienced any ram/performance issues with my 11" Samsung Chromebook.
Then again I'm a more 'normal' user in that I would only tend to have say 4 tabs open at a time.
I don't quite get the need for 40 tabs being always open as mandatory. Especially on a 11" screen.
Again it's probably a case of "if this device doesn't work quite the way you want it to, then it probably wasn't designed with you in mind".
Normally I would agree but on a 11" screen, its not that bad actually.
On anything 14" and above its criminal however.
...in their Emergency bag, charged and ready!
I have thrown away numerous smartphones but I always keep my 6310i close at hand.
If the sh*t hit the fan big time its the phone I would take.
Ermm I'm one of those lucky ones that only flies for when I go on holiday.
So my original point still stands. I'm on holiday, I have better things to do than pour over spreadsheets or Powerpoints at 35000 feet.
Oh I can still do spreadsheets on the Chromebook at 35000 feet too though. Email and text docs too in fact.
Sleeping or sipping a G&T is much better however.
Useless if you are out in the sticks?
Are you one of those Chromebook deniers that's still living in 1998?
In this day and age, if I don't have an internet connection it's because I wanted it that way.
It's not terrorism this is being done for, it's full control of everyone.
The powers that be don't want any surprises as the world fills up and the resources dwindle. They want to be able to nip any dissent in the bud quickly in case what they have is in any danger of being taken away.
This is the 1% building their barricades for 20+ years in the future.
I think of all the 'Freedom BS' we used to hear during the Cold War when in fact those very Govts spouting about freedom were actually envious of what the communists were doing.
I don't have an issue if they try a few "turn it off and on again" type routines with the customer before a full return. Most people are numpties. I still see plenty USB cables pushed into printer ethernet ports. For the sake of 5 minutes on the phone.....
However, I do get annoyed if companies start denying all responsibility. If the product doesnt work it's not your fault but you sold it, take it back, deal with the supplier and make the customer happy. Not saying that's what Ebuyer was doing but it's a shame it still goes on today.
Regarding WW2 tanks, a German Tiger Tank commander said this about the Sherman.
"The Tiger tank I controlled was worth four Sherman tanks. Unfortunately, the Americans always had five of them!"
I always felt that bomber command should have removed all the guns and turrets from the heavy bombers. Their effectiveness was questionable.
It would have reduced the weight, made them more aerodynamic, faster and if a plane went down you'd have lost half as many men.
...Bitch magazine from the early 90's.
Always good to get some extra 'click baiting' revenue in before the year end.
You'll see we'll have at least a few "Gartners say PC market is doomed" and "Windows 8 UI debacle" articles on the site before they break up for Xmas.
changing the OS so that you are not allowed a ' . ' in the file name is in order?
I bought the premium version of this over a week ago from FoolishIT. Still waiting for the key whatever. Not heard a peep.
Seems he's gone off the radar.
Why are you paying all that for 8 pro?
I get them for £50 on average. Also I'm not a corporation, just a one man band.
I've installed Windows 8 on machines going back to 2006 just fine. Very few have had UEFI BIOS.
The FUD people give into......
I bought a load of upgrades of Windows 8 Pro for about £20 each this time last year.
I still buy up copies for around £40 if you hunt places that haven't updated their stock records.
I think I paid about £20 for my copy of Snow Leopard from the Apple Store (for a Hackintosh), so that wasn't free.
...if you speak to it just like the voice it uses.
Use the slightly broken up cadence, middle england, speaking clock type voice and it works far better.
Okay you then tend to sound like Peter Serafinowicz doing a voice over but.....
....will appear ready for the next scheduled corporate refresh in a year or two.
MS knew 8 as it was would never be an 'enterprise/corporate' OS so took the opportunity to try some new approaches for the domestic market.
Yep I tend to feel the same way.
Far too much unwarranted spleen really.
I saw a associate of mine that had a new desktop PC sitting on the table running 8.1.
Apparently a mate of his bought it to upgrade from his 10 year old XP PC. Apparently he spent just ten minutes using it and went "ahhh f*ck this!" and gave up. Just gave him the PC to take away. For some reason he was under the impression that after 10 years and three operating systems, nothing would have changed. No learning required at all.
The associate then said "well I agree with him! It's not like Windows 7! Can't shut it down, no start button, where is the desktop? (erm actually at the time it was sitting on the desktop so...anyway)"
I then took 30 seconds to show him where the Shutdown option was, the Start Button (just where the old one was) and how to boot straight to desktop.
So I now had it running like Windows 7 and the result? "Ahh well it's still crap!"
...is that 8.2 is another 3GB install that has to go over 8.1.
Why? Well I have Windows 8 Pro upgrades. So if I rebuild my Windows 8 machine then I have to install 8.1 and then another OS over the top to get 8.2.
Basically I'd like to be able to rebuild a machine in a couple of hours rather than 8 or 9.
I tried that too and it was horrible.
How do you get a job in recruitment instead, because it appears you do not require any intelligence at all.
Can't be that hard can it?
Maybe just write the word 'Degree' on your CV, on it's own on a visible part of it.
Might get you through the first round.
"I didn't say I had a degree it just says the word 'Degree'!"
How did that old Alice Cooper song go?
"Can't get a girl cos I aint got no car!"
"Can't get a car cos I aint got not Job!"
"Can't get a job cos I aint got no car!"