* Posts by Jonathan Richards 1

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Spaniard claims WWII WAR HERO pigeon code crack. Explain please

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Re: Howt to heap shit on your own head

It applies to anyone in the UK jurisdiction, and you don't *need* to have signed anything to be subject to it. The declaration one signs is merely to confirm that one has had the provisions of the Act drawn to one's attention.

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FORKING BitcoinXT: Is it really a coup or just more crypto-FUD?

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Re: PoopCoin

> I'm sure it will make a big splash..

... or maybe not, if it has improved liquidity. Contactless payment, I'm assuming (and hoping!)

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What Ashley Madison did and did NOT delete if you paid $19 – and why it may cost it $5m+

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@AC Re: long weight

The good Doctor wrote 'weight' very deliberately. It's a reference to one of the jolly japes traditionally played on the newest, greenest apprentices in factories and workshops:

Journeyman [hefting a standard-shaped weight]: "Here, Bill, go down to the stores, and ask them for a long weight, will you?

[Bill trots to the stores, addresses storeman]

Bill: Mr Jones sent me down for a long weight, please.

Storeman [suppressing a smirk]: Alright, lad, stand over there in the corner, and I'll fetch you one.

[time passes... .... .... ]

--<[curtain]>--

Storemen were also in on the joke when asked for left-handed screwdrivers, or replacement bubbles for a spirit level.

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Fiery old geysers FOUND ON MOON: Volcanic past explained

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O<sub>2</sub>

Three times, you wrote "atomic oxygen", over-riding my science-pedant restraint circuits, and so I am forced to point out that atomic oxygen is rather rare: one fifth of earth's atmosphere is composed of molecular oxygen, though.

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Curiosity rolls over onto Martian WET PATCH, takes satisfied selfie

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Neutron albedo....?

... seems like over-engineering to me. Should've strapped a hazel fork on the outside somewhere, and waited for the twitch.

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Wikiland turns to Shapps and says ‘those emails you wanted, we deleted them, sorry’

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Re: FOI?

> FoI does apply if a charity gets a significant portion of its funding from government

Ummm... unless you have some evidence for that, I'm not convinced. The Act says it is An Act to make provision for the disclosure of information held by public authorities or by persons providing services for them, and it defines 'public authorities' in a long inclusive list at Schedule 1, which includes exactly no charities at all. I could just about see how some of the "charities" which are really sub-contractors to Government departments might get hauled in, after some wrangling, but merely getting a chunk of money from public sources does not make a charity subject to the FOIA, as far as I can see. IANAL, of course.

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Boffins raise five-week-old fetal human brain in the lab for experimentation

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Re: This is just wrong

You're right about it being wrong, at least until we know something about its possible consciousness. You wrote "12 year old brain", but the article says the plan is to maintain the brain until it is "the equivalent of a 12-week-old human". That would be bad enough, though. Anyone who has been around a baby of that age knows that it's just as conscious as an adult. I'm pretty sure that the plan must mean 12 weeks from conception, which isn't the same thing at all. Human age t=0 is at the point of birth, roughly 40 weeks after conception.

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Been sleeping well lately? No nightmares? Here's a lumbering Google bigfoot bot

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Google-owned...

Oughtn't we to get used to saying (and writing) "Alphabet-owned"? Although Google-funded would continue to be correct, I guess.

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Surprise! World stunned to learn that AT&T is in the NSA's pocket

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Not as unique as one would like

Memoranda may call the relationship "unique" but it has features very similar to that between Cable & Wireless (latterly Vodafone) and certain arms of Her Majesty's Government.

Try putting "GERONTIC +cable" into a discreet search engine.

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Is this the most puzzling DEF CON attendee badge yet on record?

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Shavian

Good spot. I actually installed a font that does Shavian Unicode glyphs [1] so I could compare the photo and the text. I think the correct (and more meaningful) transcription is

if hes not

one thing hes

another

The Shavian is a bit random, though. As written, the first word ought to rhyme with 'leaf', the word "thing" ought to have been written with the Shavian 'hung' glyph instead of 'n+g', and there's a character for 'th', too, without using 't+h'. So it's like a transliteration of English words with 1:1 character mapping. I've got no idea what the significance of the phrase is, though. It doesn't seem to have a well-known provenance, if a search engine can be trusted. Could it be a passphrase? That would be a good reason to be character-mapped rather than written in proper shorthand.

[1] MPH2BDamase

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Doubts cast on Islamic State's so-called leak of US .mil, .gov passwords

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Re: President Password

> if you can get away with "david9" on a .mil or .gov account...

Such a password wouldn't be accepted on any .mod.uk system with proper security accreditation.

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Jail incompetent council folk who leak our data, thunders furious BBW

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Re: Failure at all levels.

>users who don't bother with or care about any Information Governance training they may be given

Indeed. When I was involved with training Ministry of Defence staff in these matters, they had to record the training in the Personnel database, which featured a free-form field for description of the course. Memorably, I recall seeing "More data protection crap" submitted from one fine officer. I had trouble counting *that* one as a 'course delivered successfully'.

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Twitter will delete jokes after a DMCA takedown – but NOT my photos, fumes angry snapper

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Never mind all that copyright stuff...

... what in the blue blazes is a "juice cleanse", and why would seeing someone spill one be remotely funny? Doesn't a joke have to be actually amusing?

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So just WHO ARE the 15 per cent of Americans still not online?

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Avoiding Kardashians

I've used the Internet for a long time, and I haven't had any problems with Kardashians. Shit, I don't even really know where Kardash is.

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Amazon comes up with delivery-drone zones after watching Fifth Element all night

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Re: The real problem ...

> Why should what you enjoy or even tolerate dictate what we all must put up with?

Votes, Trev. Votes. If there's more of them than there are of you, they win.

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Happy birthday Alf Garnett, you daft, reactionary old git

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...the races did get along and work together

The hell you say!

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You can secretly snoop on someone if they butt-dial you – US judges

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I see what your butt did there...

> manages to complete the entire sequence of motions

*snigger*

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Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits in a tweet

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Re: A simple temporary fix or am I missing something here?

> about several thousand other files

Just out of interest, I used find to locate all the setuid files on this Kubuntu 14.04 machine. There are 21 setuid root executables in directories in my $PATH:

04755 root /sbin/mount.nfs

04755 root /bin/mount

04755 root /bin/ping6

04755 root /bin/su

04755 root /bin/umount

04755 root /bin/fusermount

04755 root /bin/ping

04754 root /usr/sbin/pppd

04755 root /usr/bin/passwd

04711 root /usr/bin/wodim

04755 root /usr/bin/pkexec

04755 root /usr/bin/gpasswd

04755 root /usr/bin/chsh

04755 root /usr/bin/mtr

04755 root /usr/bin/sudo

06755 root /usr/bin/X

04755 root /usr/bin/traceroute6.iputils

04755 root /usr/bin/chfn

04755 root /usr/bin/lppasswd

04711 root /usr/bin/cdrdao

04755 root /usr/bin/newgrp

I can see the point of most of those. But wodim and cdrdao ... ? The wodim manpage recommends setuid root, because of driver issues (in summary). Ah, well.

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Lottery IT security boss guilty of hacking lotto computer to win $14.3m

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Re: And then : my opinion about jury system

Whereas a commenter above writing

> I'm sure considering how long this investigation has been going on, they wouldn't be moving on him unless they were sure they had enough for a conviction.

is an equally disturbing remark.

A jury should never be looking at the person in the dock and thinking "... yeah, must be guilty, the prosecutors wouldn't have brought the case if he was innocent...". The jury is there to test the evidence, and reject the "is guilty" hypothesis when they still have a reasonable doubt. Weakening this protection for the accused (and any of us could be accused) is damn dangerous.

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An EPIC picture of Earth, sunny side up, from one MEEELLION miles out

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Re: In defiance of convention...

<self-reply>

Of course, I know that the Earth's axis does have a tilt (23.4° from the plane of the ecliptic, according to a fine information source). However, I don't think that's the source of the unconventionality: at Northern hemisphere midsummer, the north pole would be tilted towards the Sun (and thus towards L1), and the photo was captured on July 6th, only two weeks after the solstice, according to the caption on NASA's press release. At the equinoxes, DSCOVR's view of the Earth ought to be tilted like this: maybe someone has made a decision always to depict the axis this way...

</self-reply>

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In defiance of convention...

... the Earth is not depicted with the North pole at the top. The west coast of Ecuador and east coast of Florida are roughly on the same meridian, so the axis of the Earth in this photo is tilted by 25-30 degrees [1]. The North polar icecap is at the top left - is this just artistic presentation, or did somebody hang up the DSCOVR camera with a bit of string that's stretched?

[1] Estimated with NATO Standard Eyeball

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El Reg hosts the IBM Bluemix Programming Competition 2015

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Won't somebody think of the children?

If I'm being honest I dislike hearing software development referred to as “coding”: to me the “coding” aspect – actually bashing the code in and debugging it – is relatively straightforward compared with the design function that should precede it.

Yes! What he said! I've been moaning for ages that all these 'teach kids coding' initiatives miss the point: any fule can bash out some code that will compile, even some that will produce meaningful results for a range of inputs, but nobody teaches kids how to understand a user requirement... or select/design efficient data structures... or build test harnesses to test code using unexpected or corrupted inputs...

A coder is not a software developer, the coding bit is essential but not sufficient, and exposing young minds to the fine detail of specific languages too soon can (in my opinion) limit their later ability to think outside that language's limitations.

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Google helps Brit crims polish their image – but what about the innocent

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It's about use of the data, not its storage

TFA said:

> However, someone who has committed no major crime - or merely done something embarrassing - should usually be allowed to have it forgotten at some point rather than having the incident follow them around on the internet forever.

This, I think, is the nub on which nobody has put a definitive finger. The BBC, and other news organisations, including El Reg, collect personally-identifiable information as part of news stories. They process that data, store it, and reproduce it on request, which is just how the WWW is supposed to work. Some of that information will be more or less embarrassing to the data subject, but the news organisation has a continuing need to process it. 'The "Right to be Forgotten" only applies where personal data storage is no longer necessary or is irrelevant for the original purposes of the processing for which the data [were] collected.' [1]

Where it goes wrong is when another party, say a prospective employer, or an insurance company, retrieves the data and misuses it. Then, that other party is at fault - not the news organisation. At that point the data are being processed *by the other party*, and that must be done in compliance with the Data Protection Act. If the data are irrelevant for the purposes of deciding a work appointment, or issuing an insurance policy, then they cannot be used by the employer or the insurer for that purpose.

I will admit that preventing the misuse of retrieved news is harder than suppressing the news, but I'm in favour of the former, and firmly against the latter.

[1] Factsheet on the "Right to be Forgotten" ruling (C-131/12) [PDF]

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Abort, abort! Metal-on-metal VIOLENCE as Google's robo-car nearly CRASHES

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Re: Road Network

> divide each passenger between several cars going down all the lanes

Yay! Quantum lane discipline!

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We forget NOTHING, the Beeb thunders at Europe

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One word:

Cornwall

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Courtney Love in the crossfire! Paris turns ugly over Uber

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Re: So what will happen...

> what will happen... when Uber finally get rid of their drivers and have Google driverless cars

One or more former taxi drivers will walk in front of each of the driverless cars with a red flag, reducing its speed to about 6 kph. Of course, the passengers in the driverless car will be powerless to retaliate: they can't drive it, and opening the doors on a moving car would be *much* too dangerous, so they'll be locked.

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Kamikaze Rosetta probe to ram comet it's chased for billions of miles

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Re: Rosetta is cool?

TFA said "it's possible Philae will still be operational to send back data on what happens to the comet's surface when it gets really hot"

and a self-styled idiot wrote: "Philae was not designed to handle direct [continuous] exposure to the sun for extended periods of time"

I still don't get this. Perihelion of the comet is *outside* the orbit of the Earth and the Moon. How hot can Philae get? I never heard that exposure to the Sun on the surface of the Moon was a problem for the Apollo missions (although come to think of it there was a lot of crinkly golden Mylar involved...). As for Philae not being designed for sitting in the sunshine, I should think that was sine qua non for a solar-powered device...

In any case, I'm glad that the mission has been extended, and I'm looking forward to all the science data being written up in due course.

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DEATH by VEGETABLES: Woman charged with killing boyf using carrots. And peas

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Pffffft!

I'd eat canned chicken like that for the rest of my life rather than be in the same building as Surströmming. There is video evidence of the totally revolting nature of this Swedish delicacy - or Weapon of Limited Destruction - on YouTube.

Disclaimer: I punched 'Pause' on that video about two seconds in, before the guy even picked up the can. You have been warned!

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Pluto plastered in what looks like 1970s orange wallpaper – proof

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Re: Twice the goodness

> Late 80s dialup speed

Aye, well, that were nothing. I remember 'aving acoustic couplers, and gettin' 300 baud ...</yorkshire_grumble>

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Downing Street secretly deletes emails to avoid exposure to FOIeurs

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The way it used to be

>Important documents should be kept in a version controlled repos[i]tory

+1

When I joined the Civil Service, shortly after God got out of short trousers, the relevant bit of the relevant Manual (definitely capital M - Manual) said something very close to "The state of public business shall be ascertainable at any point in time by reference to the Registered File".

Certainly we used to send memoranda and notes that didn't make it into the registered files, but anything that supported a decision made by the Service in the administration of public business had to be filed.

Soon thereafter, colleagues started to use email on the internal network, and we made an explicit decision to print and file anything that seemed to be a record: it helped that our business was scientific and technical record-keeping, so awareness wasn't really a problem.

When I left the service, there was a huge and ongoing effort to identify and retain electronic records, the paper variety having all but disappeared - remember when we thought The Paperless Office would be such a good thing?

I suggest that the story is about politicians trying to avoid leaving a trail, and I expect that their civil servants don't like and don't want a blanket deletion policy.

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LG G4: Be careful while fingering this leather-clad smartie pants

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Location -> settings

> I found it impossible to tell the phone that it was in my home location. So the feature went untested.

If anyone is interested in location-based settings for an Android phone, see whether Llama [play.google.com] fits the bill. It determines location based on cell tower IDs; you have to teach it which towers belong in which zones. The process of teaching location, and fixing the settings for different times and zones is a bit fiddly, but I've found the app to be quite efficient.

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What does it take to find the Antikythera Mechanism? Underwater robots, of course!

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Nice work if you can get it

> ...the robots he tends will conduct a magnetic survey of the wreck site.

...

> If either vessel finds signs of bronze on the sea bed, that's where divers will be directed.

Magnetic bronze, wozzat? Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin, neither of which is magnetic, and neither is the alloy, of course. Something doesn't quite add up in this story.

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MIT's robo-cheetah leaps walls in a cyborg hunt for Sarah Connor

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Countermeasures

OK, the number of times that I'm going to be chased through an indoor sports hall by a mechanical predator is (very hopefully) exactly zero, but it's not too soon to be thinking of ways to defeat robotics of this sort. I would expect that one could blind the LIDAR with a handheld laser, for example, and it'll be a while before robo-boffins have a struggle-out-of-a-polypropylene-net algorithm.

This is definitely deep in the Uncanny Valley.

Edit: I would also observe that this mecha-cheetah does not have the essential feature that makes a bio-cheetah able to hit such high speeds, viz. a very flexible spine. I would observe that, only I don't want to give the blighters any ideas.

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'Free' VPN Hola is LITERALLY flogging access to users' devices

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Finding work for idle nodes

It worries me that the definition of idle includes 'no mouse or keyboard activity detected'. How do they know that, then? Clearly the Hola-running node must report to the network on keyboard and mouse actions. What does it report, and how often? Personally, I wouldn't touch something like this with a very long barge-pole; the opportunities for coming unstuck seem practically limitless.

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The time on Microsoft Azure will be: Different by a second, everywhere

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Root of the problem

Within a synchronized (using that word literally) system, there is no problem even if $LOCAL_SECOND takes 3.14 UTC ISO validated kosher seconds. The problem comes, surely, when one is comparing timestamps between systems which think they're synchronized, but aren't. If that is so, then programming constructs such as IF (T1 >= T2) THEN GOSUB sumfin , where T1 and T2 are expressed in high-precision time units, but (for whatever reason) are referred to different time standards, are the ones that are at risk. This must, I imagine, represent a class of bug vulnerabilities right up there with memory allocation errors and buffer overruns. I'm sure there must be cloudy applications which will reference more than one of AWS-time, Azure-time, and UTC. Should be interesting.

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Shuttleworth delivers death blow in Umbongoland dispute

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Linux

> if it is all GPLd then there is no need to sign a licence is there

I don't think that Canonical is trying to put a (sub-)licence on the *code*; from the tone of the CC statement in the link, I guess that they wanted Mint to sign a formal licence to use the UbuntuTM trademarks and other "intellectual property" (yuk).

Vic is quite right: the GPL forbids adding further licences to GPL-ed code, and Canonical will know that, and they really won't want to go there!

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Pavegen: The Company that can't make energy out of crowds tries to make money out of them

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Re: North Korea use case..

> get those in prison camps to walk a lot

It's been done. An on-topic quote with respect to the power output of the human body follows:

Sir William Cubitt, a noted 19th-century civil engineer, offered a solution. He designed a treadmill for English prisons. Its aim was to generate power for mills. It looked like a very wide paddle wheel. Workers held on to a bar and climbed the paddle blades. It was like walking upstairs for hours on end. They had to keep lifting their legs. Gravity gave them no choice.

A typical treadmill shift lasted eight hours. Workers spent 40 percent of that time resting. That's a lot worse than it sounds. It meant raising the lower half of their bodies 11,000 feet per day. And yet, hard as it was, 200 men and women could hardly match the output of one water wheel.

19th-century America tried treadmills, but they didn't catch on. For a while Charleston slave-owners could rent one to punish runaway slaves. But labor was too precious to waste that way in an expanding land. We preferred to let prisoners do ugly jobs that had some purpose -- picking cotton, or breaking rock.

Cubitt's treadmill may have originally had a productive purpose. But a pound of coal could soon do the work of five men working all day on a treadmill. And labor-wasting was a serious crime in its own right, in the mind of 19th-century America.

Source

PS Chris made the same point while I was cuttin' an' pastin'

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Bluetooth privacy is mostly ignored, so you're beaming yourself to the world

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>>iBeacons would be useless to advertisers

> Perish the thought...

And this is it, isn't it. No longer do designers [1] of consumer electronics design functionality for the use, convenience and life-enhancing purposes of the people who buy them, they design with a view to extracting ongoing revenue streams from those purchasers, mostly by selling their location, movements, information-consuming habits, health data and anything else they can lay their virtual hands on, to advertisers. [2]

Perish the thought, indeed, that one might build a Bluetooth device properly designed so that it communicates securely with only the paired device it is meant for. Or a browser that reads a web page without blabbing on the reader. Or a watch that sits on one's wrist and just, I don't know, tells the bloody time to the owner of the wrist.

[1] Well, designers who have a paying job

[2] Sorry, that sentence was too long. Take a breath.

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Web tracking puts lead in your saddlebags, finds Mozilla study

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Mickens piece

+1 thanks for the link! The funniest thing I've read in some considerable time. If Verity Stob can be persuaded to have his babies...

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Snowden latest: NSA planned sneak attacks on Android app stores

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Tools or weapons

>> Intelligence agencies are (or should be) the hand that creates or utilizes a tool to do a job specified by the head (politicians).

I see your point. My (probably simplistic) view is that intelligence agencies should create intelligence tools, and the branches of the armed services should create tools which affect conflicts (also widely known as weapons). For sure, the expertise may exist in the intelligence agency, but blurring the lines between that an offensive operation is not helpful.

I am not sure that you're right that intelligence agencies wouldn't be steering their own course, choosing when and where to intervene without sufficient political oversight. In the UK context, vide Prime Minister Harold Wilson, who firmly believed that the British MI organisations were actively plotting against him.

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Offensive action

> The intelligence agencies reasoned that in such a situation then it needed to be able to put out software that could influence actions on the ground. [emphasis added]

Offensive... not just in the whole 'invasion-of-privacy+breach-of-trust' sense, but once an intelligence agency starts to think that it should "influence actions on the ground" it has ceased to gather intelligence and has inserted itself into active operations. This may be uncontroversial, but it means that equally offensive counter-operations are much more likely, i.e. it escalates the conflict. To what extent do governments have oversight when their "intelligence" agencies fan the flames of conflict? Discuss.

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mSpy: We haven't been breached. Customers: Oh yes you have

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mSpy statement

Is it me, or is the phrasing of that mSpy statement a bit off? If I received text like that in an email, I'd be checking the headers; it just reads like something knocked off in a Lagos internet cafe rather than a statement from a reputable company, on a serious matter, to a widely-read news organization. Consequently, it's anything but reassuring (though I am not one of their customers)>

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You've come a long way, Inkscape: Open-source Illustrator sneaks up

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Up to the minute reporting

> Inkscape recently released version 0.91 of their eponymous open source vector graphics application.

Ummm...

jonathan@Odin:~$ inkscape --version

Inkscape 0.91 r (Feb 12 2015)

Version 0.91 release was announced on January 30th. It was as recent as 2015, though, to be fair.

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Crude scammer targets Brit oil brokers

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Amish spearphish

Good morning; you do not know me but I would be grateful if you would send by return email the usernames and passwords that you use for oil trading activities.

Thank you.

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DEEPENING MYSTERY of BRIGHT LIGHTS on dwarf world Ceres

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OT: Re: Ceres bright spots iluminate without sun light

> the best guide that the content will be paranoid gibberish

Also, a spelling mistake in the title, and two instances of 'could of' in place of 'could have'. >Sigh<

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Ice. Shiny smooth ice...?

What's more interesting about the shiny (i.e. reflective: I guess nobody thinks they're actually luminous) spots is not that there are so many, but that there are so few. Ceres must be collecting dust all the time, and that dust must be shoved around by micro-impacts. One would expect an ice surface to be covered rather quickly, so what is it that causes these uncovered ice regions in those specific places?

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SHOCK! Robot cars do CRASH. Because other cars have human drivers

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Re: Luddites

> There must be ways.

Yup. For urban traffic taking fixed and heavily used routes: trams and (for big enough cities) underground. For inter-city traffic: trains. For very short journeys: travelling walkways and escalators (e.g. Hong Kong).

I remain to be convinced that the effort to make car driving safer using autonomous-driving technology is viable. The object should be to move the people to where they want to be; to assume that the object is to make safe cars misses the point. To do the former, there exists under-exploited and established technology. Trains are already 27 times safer (in terms of fatalities per passenger-mile)[1] than cars, and airline flights are safer still, though flying is out of scope for this discussion.

[1]The figures are specifically for European railways. Source: The Guardian

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Re: Evidence == "Invasion of Privacy!"

It all depends on who is in control of the images, doesn't it. If they're taken with a camera which is an integral part of a car owned by an individual, I can't see any reason why the images are not the property of that individual, and the only way one could be made to cough them up is by a requirement of a court to produce evidence. I will not be buying or driving a car which uploads imagery to any second or third party without both my permission and my positive action to make it happen.

As far as the privacy on the street notion goes, one has no expectation of privacy on the street. Many cars already have dash cams, although maybe fewer in the UK than elsewhere. All in all, I think they're a Good ThingTM, because the imagery they capture is not, for the time being at least, being borged into some Big Brother database. Hell. I really hope that the Home Secretary doesn't read these comments.

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So what would the economic effect of leaving the EU be?

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A tax free zone?

> turn England into a tax free zone (like the channel isles)

Leaving aside that you probably mean the UK, not England, that doesn't sound really practical. Who do you think pays (out of taxes) for the defence of the Channel Islands, for instance?

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Re: If you build a better mousetrap...................

> [T]he assumption ... seems a little misplaced.

Indeed it does. In my limited experience of both Australia and New Zealand, they see themselves very firmly as Pacific nations; they don't need to ship their goods halfway around the planet to trade with the UK, they have markets galore in south-east Asia, Japan and China, not to mention the trans-Pacific Trade Treaty negotiations with the US. For better or worse, the UK let go of those trade links when we hopped inside the EU tariff barrier, and we can't expect them to be magically re-established if we hop outside again and shout "Coo-ee - here we are. Guys! Guys...?"

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