2242 posts • joined 10 Jun 2009
We have a winner!
To the person from the last Firefox thread - this is what I'm on about.
You want a real Java behemoth?
Netbeans. Oh MAN, does that thing take forever to start. If it wasn't such a great IDE the load time would seriously piss me off.
Pot, meet kettle
"Good ol' Firefox leading the way, because this is nothing like the new IE9 performance tab for plugins showing how they've affected the browsers load times."
Erm...is Internet Explorer really in a position to claim leadership? Really? Given that IE7 was a massive Firefox rip-off, right down to the layout and keyboard shortcuts, accusing them of stealing from IE is a bit rich...
In fairness to Firebug
It's a much more complex add-on than most, and the people that install and use it in a day-to-day basis probably aren't fussed about the startup hit, given that they're not end users. I use it everyday and I'd rather have it around than have Firefox boot faster.
But it's good to see Mozzy addressing this issue, especially with regard to add-ons dropped in by other installers. That is infuriating.
I'm posting from KDE on two monitors
And I've got three at home. :-) And both are ATI cards, if you can believe that.
The thinking nerd's alternative. ;-)
Teasing aside, have they fixed all the major cockups in 10.10? Plymouth springs to mind...
HMV have had something similar for ages
See title. Looks like an interesting piece of kit, but I still have my Mega Drive 2, 32x extension and all, so I haven't really investigated.
Then change it
"Don't actually care for the new FF look"
Only takes a few clicks to get it back to the old look. I'm with you on the look and feel thing, so that's the first thing I did. One of the nice things about Firefox is that you can mess with it until it's how you want it.
Two different stats
The article is really about installation numbers, and in fairness, whether it comes through Windows Update or not, it's still an installation. I've got at least half a dozen browsers on every machine for testing. I might only ever use Firefox on a daily basis, but you can bet Chrome and Opera are including me in their installation stats.
The ones that really matter, of course, are the web stats showing usage. Those are the ones I'm waiting for. Actually, it's the 31st - IE9's first month should be available shortly.
From my admittedly limited understanding
IANAL, but copying CDs in any way has always been illegal. However, it's tolerated simply because if they started actually enforcing it and arresting people for ripping their CDs to their DAP, there'd be an absolute uproar and the law would be changed immediately.
Better to leave the law in place, so the music industry can arbitrarily threaten people with it. ;-)
You missed my point
Did you read my post beyond the bit you quoted? I actually agreed that the big franchises out there are all about the sequels, but they're still new games. End of last year Nintendo were charging people £30 for MARIO ALL STARS. A bloody SNES re-release compilation, re-released again on the Wii! Thanks Nintendo!
And it's hardly alone. The 3DS is getting Star Fox 64 and Ocarina of Time, and that's just to kick us off. Rayman 3D? Rayman 2 in fancy pants. And we both know that Mario Kart 3D will be Mario Kart DS. Almost every other game on the 3DS could be prefixed with "yet another."
Sorry, but the modern Nintendo hasn't made anything that's impressed me in a long time. The DS was crap, the DS Lite was a badly made follow up, the Wii is a joke, and a huge portion of the games catalogue available for both is shovelware and shit. And from the time I've spent with a 3DS thus far, it's more of the same. To hell with that.
Back in the day, the SNES was one of the best consoles ever made by human hands. All the Wii is is basic, friendly and stupid, and it treats you like you're equally thick. (5 minute unskippable movies showing you how to assemble and hold a fucking Motion Plus...)
"Nintendo are first and foremost a game company, unlike any of the competition."
My arse! Nintendo in recent years have done nothing gane-wise but milk their now-ancient cash cows of Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc. What's one of the big games everyone's waiting for on the 3DS? Oh yeah, Ocarina of Time! No ta, I bought it the first time round.
At least the wealth of sequel FPS games that flood the other consoles are new games, rather than paper-thin updates/remakes/re-releases of their old stuff.
You're forgetting something
"Nintendo are obviously giving Tesco a much better trade price, or they wouldn't be able to sell them so cheap."
You're forgetting that Game are a bunch of rip-off merchants. They were allowed, for some reason, to buy up the two other major high street gaming chains, and since then their prices have been even more bonkers than they were previously. I've seen games in there pre-owned for ten quid more than they sell for NEW elsewhere. Their only other real competitors in the pre-owned market now are CeX, bless their little red socks.
Had the misfortune of walking into Dixons 2 weeks back
We saw a clearance bin, thought it would be good for a laugh. I wasn't wrong. 5m HDMI cable for £60! Not sure they enjoyed our amusement as we left.
How do they not get this?
It is nice, though
It really is a nice mobile browser, and Sync only gets better as it goes. Unless you're on ARMv6, I guess. But then while Fennec has been a concept/pre-release piss-around for a long time, it's only now becoming an actual final release doodad you can install and play with, so I guess there's still a lot of development left to do.
Maemo users: installation
OK, so I was on the beta repository, and the RC and final version are obviously somewhere else. Soooo, here we go.
1) Head over to http://www.mozilla.com/m. Press the big shiny button on the right. This will fire up the app manager to install Firefox.
2) Get annoyed as the app manager tells you that Fennec is already installed, you beta testing scum.
3) Delete the beta and final repositories in your app manager.
4) Go back to the mobile site and try again.
5) The app manager will again tell you Fennec is already installed.
6) Decide to run the bloody update yourself. Drop to a root console and run apt-get update.
7) Read the GPG key error for moff.mozilla.org.
8) Go looking for the missing GPG key. Realise that it isn't on the Mozilla website.
9) Smash your head repeatedly off the nearest desk.
10) Run these commands to get the key from pgp.net:
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys FF445C24
gpg --armor --export FF445C24 | apt-key add -
11) Run apt-get update again. Read the error message about conflicting distributions.
12) Slit your wrists.
Nice upgrade path, Mozzy! Here's me hoping that since beta 13 you've actually made the browser move faster than a glacier, and I can't upgrade to see it! What's annoying is that Fennec is really, really good. Been using it as my primary browser on Android for ages.
Rant over, one quick laugh from the article.
"Mozilla claims that the browser's startup time is about three times faster than Android's native WebKit-based browser."
Errrr....no. Just no. Unless you're counting the system's boot time, in which case yes, but what's your point?
Incompatible with your system != broken
I can't run iLife on Windows, but I don't call iLife broken.
"Your strawman is showing, "fanboy"."
Uh-huh. You missed the mention of IE9 in my post then? That and Opera being installed on pretty much every device I own. Right next to Firefox, admittedly, but it's there.
As I've said a number of times, I think Opera is a great browser, but man oh man, its fanboys are OTT. So I find that if I'm near the beginning of a thread, and I make some sarky remark about them, they don't turn up for fear of me posting a large JPEG of a trout. Works well!
Well, until you showed up, that is.
"it killed all the extra navigation buttons on my mouse"
That's odd, mine work fine. Logitech MX518. Whatcha got?
You arrogant tit
The statement you quoted is all about the next set of web standards being widely adopted and actively supported. It has sod all to do with requiring Cray superboxes to run your browser on. But then you wouldn't get that, since you're clearly not a developer.
And if progress is bad, what are you reading this site in? Lynx? Or did someone "push the web forward" to the point where you can use a mouse?
I did the first time, hit refresh
As per title really. First Flash vid I tried to watch did squat, hit refresh, now everything is fine. Don't look at me, I've no idea either.
I like it
Been using it all afternoon under Windows 7 (shush, I dual boot) and it's pretty good. Can't comment on load times as the initial load was obviously converting my profile/checking add-ons, but once loaded, it's pretty sprightly. Opera and Chrome die-hards will probably crow about theirs being 0.2ms faster to load a page, but really, the difference now is slight enough that I couldn't care less. There's far more to browsing the web than rendering speed, after all. Now that FF4 is out and IE is becoming less of a hog, I don't think there's a current browser out there I'd describe as "slow".
I'm not a fan of the new minimalist interfaces in any of the current browsers, to be honest, but getting everything back where it belongs really didn't take long. (This was also the first thing I did in IE9.)
Some of the new options and fiddles are nice. Having Sync built straight-in is a boon, and the new add-ons/personas screen is very nice indeed. I also like the "app tabs" or whatever they call them - very useful indeed for getting my most used sites down to a wee pinned favicon and out of the way.
The concept of tab groups appeals, but there really really needs to be a keyboard shortcut to switch between them. I might knock together an add-on that does just that. My personal view has always been that every second spent reaching for the mouse is a second wasted. ;-)
Probably half my add-ons aren't listed as compatible, which is the real bitch. Some of these are stupid things I haven't used in ages, like Froggr (exactly what you think it is), so I've removed them, but others are useful to me, and I'm hoping that the add-on developers are still around to fix them up. That's the risk you take with a system like this, though. You can't just assume compatibility, after all. The major must-haves still work, fortunately, like Firebug and the Developer Toolbar. Thanks guys!
Incidentally, being able to install/uninstall without restart is a kick-ass addition. That always used to do my head in.
In all, I like it. There are a few tweaks that I would have made here and there, but it seems stable enough, it zips along, and it works as well as it ever did. Just got to wait for some of my add-ons to update. Looking forward to playing under the hood with the new developer tools, as soon as I get chance.
Now, over to the inevitable Opera fanboy to yell about how rubbish it is and how all the good bits were stolen from the Cult of the Chosen.
"Apple simply got there first, just as they created the smartphone market"
*Hack* *Cough* *Splutter* .....What??
"and made graphical interfaces affordable to the public."
Seriously dude, what weed are you smoking, and can I get a drag on that?
You just pointed out the difference
El Reg will allow posts that criticise El Reg, so long as you're not being a complete shit or personally abusive.
They allowed your post to stand, after all.
I think I know
"I'm sorry, what was the problem again?"
That most people aren't techies, don't know what the hell "jailbreak" means, and think Opera is a kind of music?
Silence for a reason
"(and don't forget to price in "silence" as an option)."
Along with "using the case as a heatsink." ;-) Sorry, we've got a few MacBook Pros in the office and every time I pick one up it always feels a bit toasty.
Out of odd curiosity...
...I went onto Penny Arcade and searched for their earliest comic about Duke Nukem: Forever.
I was surprised at that too
"Are automatic updates considered? IE9 isn't on Windows update yet."
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. IE9's various beta and RC updates went on Windows Update, but the final release didn't, which I wasn't expecting. Surely you would at least want to update people away from the pre-release versions, rather than leave them on "unfinished" software?
@Lomax - You are kidding, right?
"I agree that there is a fair amount of hysteria, but calling the loss of electricity supply "several extremely powerful natural disasters" is revisionist in the extreme. "
To me, calling a force 9 earthquake a "loss of electricity supply" seems revisionist, but OK then, let's call it an initial loss of electricity, caused by...? Oh, and by the way, I love how:
"ALL the problems at Fukushima are directly related to the loss of power to the cooling systems. NOT damage caused by the earthquake and NOT damage caused by the tsunami"
...is followed immediately by...
"Yes, the back-up generators were flooded"
Hmmm. Was that by the tsunami, by any chance?
", but had there been an alternative power source..."
There was. Mains, followed by generators, followed by batteries and mobile generators (the latter of which was where it went really wrong). Partly because of that event. Oh, what was it again?
"Go back and look the sequence of events again!"
Perhaps you should.
Wow, you are full of it
El Reg are one of the few media outlets reporting this story with any level of calm or scientific analysis. Most places are just banging on about explosions and nuclear material without putting any of it into context.
People seem to have decided that the situation is all down to this being a nuclear reactor, and not a nuclear reactor hit by several extremely powerful natural disasters. Given the extraordinary circumstances, the facility seems to have performed astonishingly well, and desperately trying to claim that this is a "catastrophe" makes you look like an imbecile.
With the country in ruins and tens of thousands dead, you're all pointing to another potential incident and screaming about how appalling it is. As if nothing else happened in Japan that day... Way to miss the real catastophe, moron.
I'm quite interested in this sort of thing
This kind of device is a definite interest for me - a tablet that you can still easily create with when needed. The weight doesn't bother me much, but the killer in this one is the battery life. For a modern laptop/tablet/mobile anything, that's just really crap.
Once Linux spins get up to date with all the multitouch niceness, a device of this nature running a custom spin would be very nice.
You missed a bit
"Who bears the liability and risk for consumers, businesses, and developers until the legal system resolves the intellectual property issues?"
...that *we're* threatening people with...
Ever seen Frequency?
It's actually quite good. Well, I thought it was.
The answer is obvious
My phone runs Debian. Sorry, Maemo, but come on, it's Debian. Why is that awesome, pray tell? Well, aside from the obvious bonus of not having an arbitrary abstraction layer keeping me away from my own hardware and sucking resources in the process, it means I don't have to do anything half-arsed.
I don't have to download some God-awful SSH client from the Market that will forget everything it was doing the minute I try to check my e-mail at the same time, and doesn't support landscape mode. I just hold a couple of buttons and up pops Bash, with ssh, grep, tail etc all ready to go. (Trying to do remote server admin on any portable device that isn't Linux-based is just PAINFUL, and potentially costly.)
I don't have to piss around with Opera Mini and Firefox Home, when Opera Mobile and Fennec are available.
I don't have to pay over the odds to get overly expensive shitty touchscreen remakes of games I never liked. My phone runs DOSbox!
I can edit code on my device without feeling like I've lost several fingers and my colour perception. What's Android got? SilverEdit? Give me a bloody break.
I can dick about with my device as much as I like, binding PS3 controllers to it and playing Mario World on the projector at work in my lunchbreak, and no-one will tell me I'm not allowed to, nor do I have to re-flash the device to pull that off.
*That's* why you put Linux on the device. Not because it's supposedly not as polished, not because it takes some tweaks to get working, but because it means you can do more with the device, with less interference, for no cash.
The first person I showed this article to came out with "nice machine, but if I can't get Android off it, then knackers to it." Personally I'd love to have this thing dual boot a Linux distro and MeeGo Tablet, just for a laugh.
"Or indeed some kind of linux?"
You mean like Android? :-p
Google's webkit browser performs best on Google's benchmarker! Stop the presses!
"And IE is still illegally bundled with the OS when you purchase it. If you purchase it, it is not FREE. Only idiots claim that something you paid cash for is FREE. Or, Microsoft salesmen."
This blah-blah really pisses me off. Where are the hordes of moaners demanding that Apple remove Safari from Mac OS, or that Linux distros come without a browser of choice preinstalled? If MS want to put their browser inside their OS, fine.
The choice we *should* have is which OS to buy, not whether or not it contains a browser. The MS tax is one area where MS can indeed get bent.
It's not that bad
There's a lot of historical hate on this thread, some justified, and some not. Someone called IE9 the slowest of the available browsers, for example, when that's clearly bullshit. IE9 beats the latest Chrome in Sunspider on my desktop, and seeing something from Microsoft get to 95% on Acid3 is a reassuring sign that they're moving in the right direction.
Sure, IE9 is a massive Chrome rip-off, just as IE7 was a massive Firefox rip-off, but all that "inspiration" made IE a better browser, and that's what we really need, for the old versions to die and the new versions to be decent. No, you won't use it, because you're one of the holy Opera Chosen, but gajillions of end users will, so it's important.
At the end of the day, the browser IE9 should be most compared to is IE8. Is the new default browser for MS platforms better than the old one? Yes, in every single important respect, absolutely.
Am I going to use it? No, of course not. Are you high?
Three VMS? Just install IETester! I run 6, 7, 8 and 9 in tabs next to each other.
I might actually learn to play that guitar I bought 2 years ago, huh?
Maybe they're wanting a cut?
30% of everything you ever buy? That'll do nicely. ;-)
"Unreal" and "Tournament" ;-)
The bloody things withstood a force 9 quake! What the hell is wrong with you people?
When the quake hit, they lost primary power, so they dropped to diesel generators. Unfortunately, there was this rather inconvenient tsunami (you may have heard of it) that swamped them and took out the generators. They weren't just ignoring the buildup, you tit - they couldn't do a damn thing about it until backup arrived.
But it's good to know that Captain Hindsight is alive and well, spouting ill-informed bullshit everywhere it's needed. I just love your signoff. Never mind the thousands of nuclear specialists in Japan - you know best.
You are irradiated all the time
You constantly absorb background radiation from your environment, just by standing on the face of the Earth. This is all perfectly normal and natural. What they're saying is that the radiation exposure from the minor plant leak is equivalent to 9 months worth of natural background radiation.
So a higher dose than you'd normally get, but small enough that it's not likely to seriously hurt you. Which is good!
Thank you El Reg
For not reporting on this story in the same hysterical "mushroom cloud" way that the mainstream media has. All I've heard from them is "Aaaa, nuclear, it's gonna kill everyone, radiation!" They keep shoving the death toll and the nuclear accident together in the same sentence, as if they were related, and it's completely irresponsible.
Well yes, I know that
I know what Ad Astra means. My comment was a game reference. On the Spectrum there was a game called Ad Astra, and the tagline scrawled across the cassette case was "To the stars!" It always used to amuse me. Great game, incidentally.
As a Speccy nerd
Please, please, please tell me Ad Astra's company slogan is "To the stars!"
"But did you treat it as a comparative exercise?"
I don't trust the numbers, or the people generating them, so not really. ;-)
I'm also house shopping
And I refuse to look at the site. I see no point in its existence other than to make people afraid, and I refuse to take part.
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