So I'm wandering how long we'll be into the next faltering console generation before GabeN turns up to announce the Steam Box's release date.
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The main benefit of this is that your games can now follow you wherever you are.
Couldn't they do that before? I mean, I would pick up the game disc, and walk off with it, and play it at my friend's house. Or I would log in on his system, download my game, and play there. (Admittedly, we run PS3s.) What am I missing here?
Re: Will somone think of the children!!
There needs to be some level of network based filtering. Or at least some form of mechanism to allow my kids to surf the web without inadvertantly straying into dodgy areas.
You know what that mechanism is? YOU. They're your fucking kids, so why don't you start acting like a parent? Why should my liberties be infringed to cater for sprogs you decided to have?
Tell you what: I've got a cat. She's small, fragile and generally not particularly well. If she goes outside, she might be at risk from the various cars on the street, so what we're going to do is put bubble wrap bumpers on every single car and make them drive at 2mph, with anything over a certain weight banned altogether. Sound appropriate?
I grew up through the '90s, when the Internet was wilder and my parents didn't know jack shit about it. I went wherever I wanted, but I did not "inadvertently stray" onto Usenet, or Undernet, or MUDs, or any far less reputable places I would hang out online. I went there because I was interested and it sounded like fun. You cannot accidentally wander from Disney.com to a child porn ring. It does not happen. I've been wandering around the net like that for years, doing whatever I want, and I have never once seen child pornography, extremist terrorist material*, etc. To find them, you must go looking for them. Global filtering will not do anything to stop that.
*Well, actually I did deliberately look some up once, but that just proves my point.
Right then, who's up for Internet 2? Fully encrypted end-to-end?
yet they're stuck with a suspected loon that they can't get rid of
I highlighted the important word for you.
Sweet mercy, they actually made that? I thought it was just a fake trailer!
Oh man, I know what I'm watching tonight.
Can they gather the groceries in the Seattle area and then run them north across the border to me? Groceries here are hella expensive.
That was my first thought. Of all the phones to be using...
I really want to get my hands on one of these little beauties. I'm a big fan of Mozzy's principled approach to markets, and I want to see this thing succeed. As was said in the article, it will have a much shallower learning curve than many devices, and that can only be good for encouraging developer takeup.
Plus, I've long since had a beef with the "apps for the sake of apps" approach in many businesses, where mobile apps are created simply to have one, and end up doing a far worse job than a simple mobile-oriented version of the website would. They're getting much easier to make, too.
Actually, he's miles off. The best evidence I've seen of the police crackdown (in which the police are accused of having stormed peaceful camps during the night and burned them down) turned up on Imgur, not Twitter.
I know I should have something more substantial to contribute other than disappointment, but every time I see "MPEG LA" I think of a giant mechanical owl.
"My mind is sharper, my intellect superior. You won't be making any videos without paying me, raccoon."
Re: Wikipedia shows a completely different story.
....on the desktop, which means you missed the point of the article and Shuttleworth's comments. The TL;DR version is that no-one cares about the desktop any more.
Well, I say no-one. I do, but then I actually *make* stuff, and we long since became the minority of machine users.
By the way, it didn't nearly pass me by that you dodged your complete dismissal of two thirds of your holy book (the part that also includes the ten commandments) by retorting with condescension and bullshit. I simply expected nothing less.
But you go right on ahead and mock me with your partial understanding of my faith.
You can try that line of wounded condescension if you like, and assume that it adds something to your rather flimsy argument, but it used to be my faith also, so please don't try and tell me that I have a partial understanding of Christian bullshit. I was a victim of it for many years.
My keyword was 'widespread'
And mine was not, but you slipped it in as another fragile defence, and I knew you would try and use it as such. I even turned to the man sat next to me and made a bet on it. Thanks very much, you just made me five quid.
I don't care whether or not - on your judgement - the violence and hatred is "widespread" (and if you don't think that destabilising at least a half dozen nations is widespread, fuck off). I care that it exists, and that is it justified by the crap in an ancient set of texts written by nomadic thugs.
Christianity didn't exist yet in Old Testament times. Those were Hebrews, and Christian teachings are much different than the ones you reference.
Aaaah, that Christianity. The "the old testament is kinda embarassing so let's ignore two thirds of our own holy book" kind of Christianity? I take it we're also ignoring the parts of the new testament where Christ re-affirms the old laws, and in fact specifically states that he hasn't come to change them?
Such as what, exactly? To my knowledge it's been centuries since there was any widespread violence in the name of Christianity.
Hahahahaha, what? We'll just ignore, say, Ireland then? Or half of Africa? Or have you not heard of the Lord's Resistance Army? It was fairly well popularised a year or two back (admittedly by another complete nutcase).
Nice try, but there are still plenty of people out there to cause war and misery in the name of that particular sky fairy.
Even at its worst Christianity never said that you'd get to Heaven by killing as many people as possible
Not read much of the old testament, then? Unless you're suggesting that the commands to kill other tribes, apostates, unruly children, disobedient slaves, wives, homosexuals, etc don't count as "as many as possible"?
and centuries later Christians still frequently have the Inquisition thrown in their faces.
You're right. We should be throwing their much more recent atrocities at them.
Re: Results Desired and Obtained
If someone deliberately hurt my wife or child I'd hurt them very very badly, possibly even kill them, and screw logic, reasoning, the law and sanctamonious twats like you
Then I hope you never work for the police. Though you'd probably fit right in with the Met.
I'm also rather depressed that you have offspring to pass on this crap to.
Re: Results Desired and Obtained
Why did we waste NHS resources on treating the Woolwich scum should they not have simply preyed for recovery?
Because that's how you demonstrate that you have the moral superiority to call them scum?
Seriously, I get really fucking sick of having to point out basic morality to fuckwits.
Re: open handset alliance
Is Firefox OS really an Android fork? Isn't it just another Linux-based phone OS that shares some code with Android?
Nope, it's nothing like. It uses the driver stack, I believe, and that's about it.
(rather than simply being Chrome without alleged spying)
Unless you turn on Turbo. Sorry, sorry, Off-road (because that makes much more sense!).
Re: silly argument
I wonder why I've never seen a steamwatcher app to alert you when your preferred games get discounted?
Because Steam already does this. Add the games to your wishlist and they'll e-mail you when they go on sale.
I only wish that were true. Sorry, but every single physical copy in the shops will have either Steam, or some other form of restrictions management, many of which will either limit the install count or, like Steam/Steamworks, prevent resale entirely.
Actually, it is optional. Not all games on Steam use Steamworks for the physical disc release. They tend to do so if both releases are simultaneous, but there's no requirement for it.
Re: @Greg J Preece
I haven't heard of any case of "I sell games to be able to afford new games"
Then you are quite fantastically ignorant. This is the basis of entire companies. Using CeX as an example again, they don't just offer higher prices on exchange because they want to keep your custom; they do it because they know their customers are trading in on newer products.
You can go into any Game store in the land at the time of a major game release, and you'll find a poster that says the customer can get the game for free (or a quid, or something similar), if they trade in two recent games from a pre-determined list. That's the store knowing that its customer base trade in on new games, and trying to control the games that are traded in in that transaction in a way that benefits them most.
That you deny that this happens, let alone the scale at which it happens, speaks volumes. In fact, it's incredible to me. But then, you describe traders as parasites, and that they can't be regarded as good just because they benefit the consumer...
What it encourages are two things: no morals towards the developer and further purchasing of pre-owned games. Again, kids need to be taught patience and not wanting everything right now, especially if they can't afford it. Especially the kids in the US.
How dare you sit in your position of privilege and tell those with less that they should learn to accept it, or that anything that benefits them should be stopped because it's supposedly harmful to an industry they're trying to help fund. Not everyone can afford what you can, and excluding those people from the target demographic leads to exactly what I suggested at the end of my last post. Your attitude stinks of "it's OK for me, so I'm going to get high and mighty with those less privileged."
When I purchase a game, I have completed my "moral obligation" towards the developer. If I sell that game to someone else, perhaps the developer should have some fucking respect for my purchase?
Re: @M Gale
There are more reasons. If I understand the console market correctly, the console makers sell their products pretty underpriced, because they expect to get sales from the sales of games.
Then they can budget for it. They managed to make enough profit when second hand games were completely unrestricted, no? If Microsoft weren't making money from the Xbox, they wouldn't do it.
Secondly, I don't think reselling games is very healthy for the whole business... The only one profiting from that are currently the resellers - parasites.
Game traders are not parasites. They provide a useful service to the end customer, that of being able to get rid of property you no longer want, and optionally trade it in against something new. In the case of a store like CeX, that new thing might not even be a video game. If it were not beneficial to the end user, they wouldn't be able to make a business from it.
Also, by selling their pre-owned games at a lower (or much lower) price point than the new games, they enable those without much money to get into games and series that they couldn't otherwise afford to experience, which then encourages future purchasing. Now, let's think of a demographic that are very keen on video games, but might not be initially able to afford them new....hmmmmm......oh, right - kids!
From publisher's and developer's point of you, it's the same if you just pirate the game, is it not?
It absolutely is not, and your thinking is flawed to the point of insult. A pirate takes a copy of the game without payment, and if they hand it on, they do so again without payment (generally speaking).
In order for a pre-owned game to be sold, it had to be bought in the first place. Every pre-owned game on a store shelf represents a new purchase. And many of those games that are traded in are traded in order to be able to afford, get this, NEW GAMES!
The second hand market directly benefits the game industry, but the arrogance and greed of major publishers, coupled with folks who would dare equate reselling with theft, is leading to this exclusionary system that will either make video gaming the pasttime of the wealthy few, or crash the industry entirely, as it so thoroughly deserves.
Alternate article title: "Public requirement for a second-hand games market could DOOM new Xbox."
"These 500 illegal, unregulated, corner gambling parlors have been making tens of millions of dollars by swindling their poor, elderly, and vulnerable slot players," Cuyahoga County prosecutor Timothy McGinty said in a statement.
Because nobody wealthy or under 60 gambles. Ever. Not once. No sir.
What's more, Senator Hughes said some Ohio internet cafés had been linked to money laundering, fraud, drug sales, and even human trafficking.
....By Senator Hughes, in order to get the thing passed.
Re: Xbox One
Just look at the PS3 / Xbox 360 - the PS3 was claimed to have 50% more CPU power, but the Xbox has the best graphics in most cases....
Not sure where you're getting that from. I've never seen anything on the 360 that comes close to some of the PS3 exclusives. In fact, there are several games I can name that aren't on the 360 simply because it couldn't cope - the inFamous series, for one. It's not an exclusive because they have some kind of deal with Sony; it's because the X-box can't handle the game. Sucker Punch even said so.
Re: Note that difference *loan* (with interest) versus old car maker (2nd or 3rd) bailout.
Actually, I read it as a Libertarian "I've got mine; fuck you," anti-government, anti-tax-that doesn't-benefit-me-right-now screed.
I'm not sure you've fully grasped this "libertarian" bit.
Re: Fanboi Mania - difficult to understand, from either camp
I, personally, find it a little bit off-putting knowing that I currently possess the 1st, 2nd or 3rd best selling phone on the market. Kind of makes me feel like a brainless sheep.....
Ah, so you're a hipster. :-p
I get your point though, and I do agree. I always buy whatever hardware I think is best, and sod the brand. If some fanboy then wants to tell me why I'm wrong, I can justify the purchase with something demonstrable, rather than just saying "nu uh, mine's cooler."
Sure, my current phone is Android, but I bought that one because it's supposed to be getting Ubuntu....at some point. And I really wanted an evolved N900, but keyboards and a low-level OS are apparently now illegal or something. Buy whatever you think is best for you.
That said, if you then turn around as a fanboy and say extremely stupid things to me (like the person last night who tried to tell me that smartphones didn't exist before the iPhone), then I'm going to call you on your crap. ;-)
The line that impressed me most was the one regarding lack of heat buildup. My recent Nexus 4 purchase has underwhelmed me, if I'm honest, and I still regard my S3 as the better phone. One of the Nexus' party tricks is heating up to surprising levels from just about any screen usage longer than a few minutes. It's just not on. That the reviewer was able to game for a considerable time without heat is impressive.
Re: No second-hand games
Why? Virtually every console game released now has a "this game requires 4 fuckloads of hard drive storage" message on the back or similiar, and then you get the inevitable stream of patches that take the beta-level shit you've bought and plug some showstopping bugs.
Errr, which console are you playing on? In my entire time with a PS3 I think I've installed what, 2 games?
I watched the livestream, and the presentation was awful. A bunch of suits spouting corporate bullshit and desperately trying to engage with "da yoof" by constantly name-dropping things they'd heard of.
"You can see here I've been listening to some Deadmau5."
"I like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones."
Etc, etc. Patronising arses.
First they talked about TV, and all the ways to watch TV, etc, etc. They seemed to have some kind of obsession with sports and Then they rabbited on about the hardware. Finally, after half an hour they decided to talk games, and what was the first thing they did? They announced a partnership with EA! Of all the people you bring to a product launch, you bring the most hated company in America??
EA announced more EA sports titles, and we were all supposed to care. Microsoft talked Forza, Halo, Call of Duty, and I nearly fell asleep. CoD looked excellent on a technical level, but then CoD is always excellent in some respect. The storyline looked like bollocks though.
Here's a thing to ask yourself: Was there a single second of actual gameplay footage anywhere in that 90 minute presentation? Anywhere? Call of Duty came bloody close, and I thought for a second I actually saw some, then I realised there was no HUD. Every single thing relating to games was pre-rendered, and I'm certain that the stuff on the big screen was simulated, even the Skype call (seriously, you didn't notice the perfect timing and scripted lines?). We haven't seen this thing in action, at all.
It was a bloody disgrace. The machine looks OK as a set top box, but as a console I saw no reason to buy it when the PS4 presentation did a far better job of positioning the machine as a games machine, which it is. The PS4 presentation basically went through a list of every single one of the PS3's flaws and said how they would be fixed, which is how you bloody do it! The Microsoft guys were almost embarrassed to admit it was a games machine.
Re: No second-hand games
Details are still hazy on this. Microsoft say it doesn't need an always-on connection, but it does need a connection, which I presume is for activating products against your account. Also, all games apparently have to be installed when you buy them, which could really piss people off.
Re: Sims games should be assumed to be for innocents
Gay people living together isn't marriage. Never has been.
There's no reason to deprive them of legal privileges, but it isn't marriage.
Sorry, bald assertions carry absolutely no weight with me.
Re: Same Sex Marrage
In a letter delivered to Downing Street, 34 past and present local Conservative Party chairmen urged the PM to drop the same-sex marriage bill."
So...no MPs then? And "past and present" implies that a number of these people have retired, and aren't even active in politics.
Re: Same Sex Marrage
I see what you did there, and you can have an upvote for it.
Re: Sims games should be assumed to be for innocents
Sims games should be assumed to be for innocents, so why is this bad press?
So straight marriage is cute and innocent, and we can shoehorn wedding plotlines into every little girl's show ever, but gay marriage is some big dark evil we should shield children from the knowledge of?
The minute you said "empower creators", you fucked it up. No-one in the real world talks like that. It's corporate horseshit.
Re: article should mention battery life
I have to admit, if that's even remotely accurate, it's bloody impressive.
The games on the Android store are improving (mainly because of indie PC ports to the system rather than mobile games improving as a genre), but they're still not as good as a traditional mobile lineup for me. I really do like the design of this thing (though I'm not sure about the positioning of those analogs), but I can't justify spending way more I would on a Vita on something that only plays Android games.
Re: Samsung took over the Nokia market
They produce great hardware relatively cheap. That's at least why I sometimes buy Samsung. Nothing less nothing more.
The one company I tend to go for because of their hardware is, weirdly (or maybe not), Sony. Their software sucks bricks, but the hardware is usually top notch stuff. From my Playstations to my e-reader to my MP3 players of yesteryear, they've almost always proven to be excellent on a hardware front, with software that comes nowhere near the same quality.
With the exception of the XMB. I like that thing! Yes, I am aware I am the only person in the universe who does.
Sure, the games move you - but what you *feel* is the controller...and if the controller feels right it will help your immersion.
I can see where you're coming from better here. For me, the perfect feel for a controller is none at all. If it's well designed and laid out, it should become instinctive, invisible. When I play an FPS with mouse and keyboard, these days it's instinct. The control set works well enough that I simply *think* to look to the right, and the process inbetween is (at the time) seamless.
It's the same with a mobile device, or a computer, or any other electronics I use. It should provide a good base set of tools, a solid set of hardware, and then get the hell out of the way. My love of the N900 wasn't based on it being slick (though it was, in its own way), but more on the sheer brilliance of the available toolset that let me get on and do really cool things with minimum effort.
We're probably coming at the same thing from different angles, but with me devices are 100% about functionality. Looks, feel, and "soul" come waaaaay down the list. ;-)
For Apple, Samsung and everyone else, the sales figures bear no relation whatsoever to the quality of the actual device. It's the boom and bust cycle of an industry that's come to be dominated by fashion rather than actual technology or usefulness. It's faddish, shallow trendiness and nothing more or less.
they are crammed full of the nicest things but they do not move or involve me at all. Soulless.
You need to be moved by a phone now? They need to be anthropomorphic? It's a device! It's supposed to provide you with the best hardware possible, and the content you visit through it is supposed to affect you. My Playstation doesn't "move" me*, but the games I play on it might.
*See what I did there, eh, eh, eh?
Re: Seriously, PHP?
Ah, yes, Python. That infuriating language they taught me in University, where I had to import a module just to get proper error messages. Web development in it was so joyful, and yet when I left Uni, it was my PHP knowledge that actually got me a job.
Although they've made the argument that stopping Amazon's climb to a potential monopoly is good for competition
Conveniently ignoring iTunes, I'm assuming.
Then turn it off?
At least they're being up-front about it, unlike some Chocolate-flavoured browsers. You can easily turn it off, and how many apps that phone home have a big option for you to view the data being sent back?
Actually, I agree. I have two Android phones (because one of them is waiting for Ubuntu Phone to be ready) and a Windows Phone 7 one, and I will freely admit that the UI on Windows is the best by light years. Honestly, I just don't get why people give the new Windows Phone so much shit. Functionally the original wasn't up to scratch, but if you recall, at a functional level the original iPhone was straight-up retarded. You can slate Metro on a laptop all you like and I'll likely agree, but Windows Phone is crazy fast, great looking and easy to use.
Re: Yep, I agree
I have both a Nexus 4 and a Galaxy S3, and if I'm honest, I prefer the S3. The battery lasts longer, it's not slower to any amount that matters, I can open the back of the bloody thing, it has an SD card slot, they both run Android 4, and the screen on the S3 is gorgeous. Plus, the Samsung meddling on the S3 is fairly minimal really.