@ Alan
"If I get into a fight in a bar and punch someone and they die, I will not get done for murder, as there is no way one punch SHOULD kill someone, but I will still be done for manslaughter. Just because the police didn't mean to kill him doesn't mean they are free from blame, or consequences."
Fair enough, but they don't deserve to be crucified either.
"Being a member of the police force doesn't give you carte blanche to assault people,"
I never implied that it did.
"just the latitude to deal with circumstances in a reasonable manner. And that means bringing the SITUATION under control, not as too many police think these days, the PERSON under control."
I can think of lots of cases where the easiest way to control the situation IS to control the person. Particularly situations where the person and their actions ARE the situation.
"These "officers" didn't do that. They had no reason to taze the man. If he had been held for hours in this room, then all they had to do was leave the room when he became agitated. No danger to their lives was present."
Yes, but police are also charged with protection of property, which this man was wilfully destroying.
"If the penalty for vandalism is now death, with no judge or jury involved, then welcome to the middle ages."
Again, tazers are in the vast majority of cases non-lethal. You're making the same argument that because the outcome was death, that the action was too harsh. By your same argument, if I get shanked whilst spending an overnight in jail for petty theft, the punishment was too severe, because it resulted in my death. The logic just isn't there. I'm not saying your conclusion is necessarily invalid, merely that you've got to come up with a better way to substantiate it.
"And ironically, the fundamentalist moslems claim this type of action as the preferred one for the decadent west to adopt. Looks like they're getting their wish. Soon we'll be cutting off hands for crimes of theft (again)."
Sensationalism, so I'll ignore it, as it ultimately has no bearing on the discussion.
I'll tell you one thing, if I'm ever in the situation where it looks like I'm going to get hit by a tazer for no reason, then you can bet I'll make sure I get my punch in first, as it could be a fight to the death."
Throwing the punch will justify the tazer hit, so any sympathy or legal ground you will have had to stand on will vanish. Throwing a punch seems kind of silly vs a tazer, so this strikes me as being equally sensationalist.
"Or maybe I'll start to travel armed. Why should one side have all the firepower?"
By all means, do so. But that doesn't give you an excuse to 1) throw shit around in an airport, or 2) fire on police, so I again, fail to see the merit of the comment.
"The bloody police are supposed to work for US!"
First the technical argument: The RCMP work for Canadians, which this man was NOT.
Secondly, I agree, the police work for us. All of us. And that means getting a man who is becoming more volatile and potentially dangerous, out of a situation where can cause harm to others.
Perhaps this should have been accomplished by removing the public from the area.
Perhaps the RCMP should have merely guarded the man, to make sure he did not cause harm to anyone, pending the arrival of someone who can speak his language, which could take even longer.
Perhaps there was only one way out of the international terminal, and a few hundred people were waiting, and so to expedite things, the decision was made to detain the man (he DID break the law, after all) and then sort out an interpreter.
Ultimately, when you break the law and refuse to comply with police orders, you'll be detained, forcibly if necessary. Though what happened is tragic, and in hindsight, subjectively better methods of detainment may have resulted in a better outcome, given the information the RCMP would have had, in my opinion, their actions were not excessive.
As far as manslaughter goes, you're only likely to be charged if the death is a result of malice (you punch someone, and by some chance, it kills them), or negligence (you drive drunk and kill someone). The question of whether they were malicious or negligent, however, is one to be answered by the legal process, and not the court of public opinion.