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You're using the local weather and they're comparing the climate. Yes. Chicago and Washington have different local weather and average temperatures but do you have any reason to believe that the relationship in average temperatures between the two places has changed over the centuries. 44,000 years ago Chicago wasn't tropical while Washington was ice-bound. It's highly probable that both were equally colder/warmer.
If the two places are at the same latitudes and similar sites eg both large islands it increases the validity of comparing climates. So, you compare sites on Baffin Island and Greenland now and use that difference when comparing data from the past.
Re: Surfs up!
The trick will be in deciding how many miles inland the beach will be.
If a climate scientist wrote a paper that the sun was coming up tomorrow Watts would find "problems" with it.
Let me know if the American Geophysical Union have any problems with it.
"...and Google is offering three months of Netflix free with the device."
It stopped that before the weekend.
Will the fact that this will occur after the sun becomes a red giant preclude the naming of Linux 95 being equally snappy.
I'm assuming, in the above, that the entity known as 'Linus' is by then a loadable module, as are the rest of the kernel writers.
Re: BEST - warmist?
You seem to be under some illusion that Climatologists are the only group putting forward AGW when in fact I am not aware of a single professional body of scientists or engineers who dispute AGW.
An example from the Institute of Civil Engineers: "The science is clear: Climate Change is a reality. Engineers must now be in engaged in responding to the challenges and threats which Climate Change poses to our built environment."
Re: What about plant cover?
"Just how is the sun supposed to get to that deep permafrost layer anyway?" It says in the article, google thermokarst failure.
Re: Old news
At some hospital, somewhere in the UK, a klaxon has gone off and they are doing a roll call.
Re: Joke alert
This illustrates the sad decline of journalism - why is a free trial gag not in the story.
If the Register is going to continue posting these climate trolling articles should they not think of employing an actual scientist to write them who can actually speak about the subject instead of people who write about the climate because they, you know, use umbrellas and have been skiing and stuff.
Re: "Controlling Britain"
So you faked your death, Mr Saville.
Re: The Life Of Brian
So this storm, is it a new thing or do storms occur every year? If they occur every year it doesn't really affect the record. If it is a new thing is it one more thing to worry about that new storms increase sea ice melt?
Re: climate sceptic
"We simply don't know." Which 'we' is this? The 'we' I'm concerned about is myself and climate scientists and that 'we' does know.
I imagine Anthony Watts will be most pleased. He is forever going on about incorrectly made temperature readings that are too high. This one's for you, Tony.
Rate of change
..."climate change is occurring: and indeed that it always has been."
I'd dismiss car-crashes by saying decelerations happen on the time.
Climate news at El Reg?
It's like getting your IT information from Horse and Hound.
Given that the record in 2007 did not happen for a few weeks, todays ice extent, according to IARC-JAXA, is 16.5% below the same day in 2007.
Re: BREAKING NEWS! Ice is melting in the summer!
Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years
Christophe Kinnard, Christian M. Zdanowicz, David A. Fisher, Elisabeth Isaksson, Anne de Vernal & Lonnie G. Thompson
Nature 479, 509–512 (24 November 2011)
or googling "Kinnard arctic" gives it as the top hit.
Re: BREAKING NEWS! Ice is melting in the summer!
For the last 1400 years summer ice levels have never before dropped below 8 million square km (Kinnard et al, 2011) and now, in the last 30 years they have dropped below 5 million. So, what's this natural process that has just occurred in recent times then?
As William Goldman said...
...of people in Hollywood - "Nobody Knows Anything". I admire how Mr O is bringing this ethos to The Register.
I was taught it started in the mid-18th century and was virtually over by the 1840s. All that coal being burnt in steam engines for 100 years might have begun to have an effect.
I note that in figure 2 of the article you can see how much more melting is going on in the 2000-2010 decade.
It does seem to affect scientists badly. Since they are no longer generating data they do tend to grasp for relevance by going for the soundbite. This seems to apply no matter the belief. They all end up more like columnists.
Re: Missing heat
Decisions decisions - shall I wait for the paper to come out or analyse the readings from 3500 over the last 10 years and then integrate it into the other readings from the last 50 years... That's a toughie.
I might even trust that the American Association for the Advancement of Science have provided an accurate precis of the paper.
Coding at school
I'd rather some form of coding was introduced in Primary school and then in year 1 and 2 as a small part of Maths and parts of other subjects (scripting in Excel or Photoshop type apps). I would advise students that a qualification in computing was a waste of the chance to study another subject especially at A-Level.
Much anticipated novel.
I'm waiting for Andrew Orlowski's erotic novel about the furry community.
Re: Do we need new scientists?
"History shows not. In the 70s, 99% of scientists reckoned we were entering an ice age!!"
Lewis presents the facts in a manner best suited to forward his own views - you however seem content to out-and-out make stuff up. 99%?
Re: Stefan Rahmstorf
I think this comes under the heading 'playing the man not the ball'. What's the german equivalent of that english idiom?
Disinterested? I imagine only those scientists not from this planet are disinterested.
An excellent analysis. Slight error - the 2nd and 3rd punctuation marks of the user's quote have been transposed.
On sale at 6am.
Story about it nearly 12 hours later?
I'll wait 'till May when the supply might match demand.
Who are they batting away?
My reading is that they are not prepared to give the Register a running commentary but may well be doing so to the MP.
For Riyadh you will get about 6 kWhr/m2/day of energy from the sun. At its highest in June it goes up to 6.89, down to 4.41 in December. This is raw energy but at 15% collection efficiency it is about 1kWhr/m2/day.
The June figure of 6.89 is an average over the whole month at the centre of the country. So given that, there may be a point in the south where on Summer Solstice the energy received is 7kWhr/m2/day or pretty damn close.
Slow to change
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. "
Which recent report detailed a dust explosion where 29 American lives were "paid with their lives for the corporate risk taking."
“Man, they got us up there mining, and we ain’t got no air,” the miner, Gary Wayne Quarles, told a friend, who talked to investigators. “I’m just scared to death to go to work because I’m just scared to death something bad is going to happen.” NYTimes May 19 2011
The Upper Big Branch Mine, West Virginia, explosion kills 29 but so so what, they only produce coal which powers the fondleslabs and everything else.
Instead of pointing the finger at China why not help stop the workers local to you being killed due to "corporate risk taking".
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