563 posts • joined Saturday 21st March 2009 05:54 GMT
Could it be a PR puff... get the market screaming about "ridiculous" prices, then announce a lower real price; everybody jumping for joy...
That's the way that Steve Jobs would have done it.
Re: can think of lots of things I would rather spend $99 on
A pot for Microsoft to piss in.
How much!!! They have got to be taking the piss.
Local phone chimp?
Is that like a trunk monkey?
For years Microsoft have pushed their broken standards into large organisations in their utterly misguided strategy to keep other browsers out of the enterprise at any cost. This resulted in Microsoft creating the "INcompatibility" mode in IE 7, 8 and 9. This mode continued to support their broken standards and myriad browser bugs. The IE works best culture is so embedded in many large organisations that they would not allow the applications to be tested on standards-compliant browsers as "we're only paying you to develop to our standard desktop build which you cannot install other browsers".
The unintended consequence is the massive cost of refactoring these applications. The developers have cleared off; the budgets are consumed; the cupboard is empty as far as further development is concerned.
Well now the magpies have come home to roost. Updates are upon us. The IT management's strategy which was based largely on thick-client thinking is exposed as being completely flawed. For some reason it's been quite OK to consider User Interface development to be fluffy bollocks, certainly when compared with "real" multi-layered stack development with exciting service bus architecture.
I told you so and you didn't listen. Ner ner ni ner ner.
I fecking hate Facebook and everything it stands for...
I don't and won't have a FB account and have no interest in finding out which proxy boy band shite is being pushed today.
I do hope that Apple haven't screwed with iTunes too much as it's already a pretty lousy application, particularly if you've a lot of music (none purchased from Apple). Itunes is utterly useless on the iPad, for instance sorting by genre.
Its such a pity there's no better music playing applications for the Mac, iPad and iPhone.
> I worked for a PR company that did Microsoft's work in Australia
== wrote shit for a living.
Has anyone sent you the ticket to the space ship yet? I think you're on the middle one with the marketeers, hairdressers and telephone sanitisers.
Re: Polluting software with buttons and icons?
What would the icon be for that word (singular)?
Or how do you group and sub-group icons, such as File > Open, or Edit > Paste Special > Plain Text?
The problem with your point is that an ICON does not portray a thousand words, it is a pictograms representing one word, not that dissimilar to Chinese characters. The challenge with the Ribbon or Start Menu is that they replace perfectly good words with pictures which have no standard definition, i.e. they are much harder to learn and impossible to read. Therefore one has to sit there scanning each one to try to glean their meaning.
I just feel like I'm wasting my breath arguing UI logic with these Microsoft imbeciles. They really are like arguing with the proverebial pigs; we both get dirty and the pig likes it. And the pig doesn't listen nor give a damn.
Re: I hate the way Microsoft deliberately confuses the market...
Just like iPhone & iPad applications are totally interchangeable. Not.
Re: What counts as a tablet?
> That's the problem for developers = develop for w8's 400M devices
Wrong wrong wrong
Each platform is utterly different--tablet, desktop, phone, all completely different THAT is the problem for developers; be it the three different user interfaces, the different presentation metaphors or just plain operating system features, you will need to develop three different versions.
Stop spreading these MIcrosoft-sponsored lies.
I hate the way Microsoft deliberately confuses the market...
There are many different devices; NT based Windows 8, phone based windows phone, and tablet based Windows RT. Microsoft seems to think that calling them all Windows 8 means they're all the same.
They're not the same thing and never will be.
Lies, damn lies and Microsoft PR bullshit.
Re: I actually switched back to IE recently
Good for you.
Would you please be kind and go around and install IE10 on the 100 million other systems which aren't running Windows 8. What's that, you can't?
You obviously don't develop for a living as you wouldn't be using the non-existent development tools. Nor do you support thousands of desktops. Nor use all the myriad other add-ons which the other browsers support. And you're only running W8...
All of these are reasons why IE remains a festering turd of a browser.
It's not cool to bash IE...
We bash IE because it is a festering pile of proprietary bug-ridden crap.
I personally bash IE because I am sick of the amount of extra time it takes to build a website - the cost of which has to be borne by all. IE10, 11, 12 may be more reliable and better support standards, but what of the festering crap that remains? IE7 and IE8 wil last forever as you can't upgrade this on XP.
Those of us who work in the real world are thoroughly sick of Microsoft's shenanigans and don't forgive in a hurry and especially as we're still cleaning up the mess on a daily basis.
Mac OS9 --> OSX
Apple's jump from OS9 to OSX was a complete change of operating system, as big a jump as Windows was to NT.
On the other hand, Microsoft's upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8 is incremental as far as the desktop is concerned. However they are releasing a completely new OS in the form of Windows RT which runs on a totally different platform, ARM, which they've never supported before, i.e. it's not an upgrade, it's something new.
Re: another Poorly researched poorly written Nokia / MS bashing article
You're entitled to your opinions.
I thought it was a great article by Andrew. It really did read as if he'd lived with the phones for a while and came up with some very interesting and valid conclusions. It's nice to see an article that stands out from the crowd.
Microsoft have a massive hill -- of their own making -- to climb. This is just the start of some very interesting times for all Smartphone producers.
There probably is an option to "turn that Metro shit off" but nobody can find it.
Wait & see?
A timely and convenient excuse to leave the party and see if it's worth coming back later. Especially after hearing rumours of $200 retail price for the Microsoft proof of concept surface.
How to make a small fortune from tablets... first start with a big one.
A full-sized slab is a lot more expensive to manufacture than a phone-sized device.
£50 sounds way way way way way way way too cheap; you couldn't even buy the components for that price (less VAT, retailer's profit, shipping costs....)
The benchmark is the iPad. Skimp on components and you're down in the low-quality end of the market, with all the crap Android fondle-slabs. Microsoft want to produce a "quality experience", that means it needs to be *better* than the iPad. That costs money -- exactly the point the author has made.
So unless Microsoft are going to subsidise each surface slab to the tune of £300 each -- which is unsustainable -- the basis of this 'rumour' is just PR FUD, or some fanboi who doesn't understand economics.
Re: PR FUD ALERT *** PR FUD ALERT *** PR FUD ALERT
s / buffing / boffins / g
Bloody iPad spel chekker
PR FUD ALERT *** PR FUD ALERT *** PR FUD ALERT
Press release... Microsoft have developed a magic fondle slab that their buffing have grown from a single pubic hair plucked from Ballmer's backside.
Quality costs money, yer cannae change the laws of physics captain!
One definitely cannot change the laws of economics; if Microsoft are really thinking about subsidising their demo slab, it'll cost them their company.
There's a lot less shite on Freeview than Freesat. And you don't need to nail a pleb dish to the side of one's dwelling.
For the first time ever I would have liked to have had access to all 24 BBC channels, but it's all over now and I haven't enough time to watch Freeview let alone 200+ channels of complete shite on Sky, not to mention paying Murdock hundreds and hundreds of quid for the displeasure.
The BBC should have been mentioned in the opening ceremony. One of the UK's greatest achievements.
BTW why "Team GB and Northern Ireland"? Why not Team UK?
Security air gap
CD / DVD drives are really useful for moving files across an air-gap network where USB drives are forbidden. They're also easy to shred once done.
Not that Apple give a damn.
Tweet in haste...
Repent at leisure
I've often wondered why obviously geothermal rich countries such as Iceland don't export electricity. I suppose transporting it is the main challenge.
Re: Microsoft only have themselves to blame
> 8th version of NT
Errm, not on a tablet it ain't. It'll be the first version of the new Metro tablet which has "been written from the ground up". MS call it artie (RT); that's their first version.
You can't use a plain NT kernel on a tablet for exactly the same reasons you can't use NT on a phone; battery life. This is why iOS has a completely different scheduler that doesn't multi-task in the normal way (time slicing with background applications). This is why Microsoft's original tablets sucked donkey balls; massive lumps of plastic with sod all battery life running applications which were not optimised for tablets (e.g. finger/stylus).
The fact that you claim NT is on its 8th iteration (3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4, 5, 5.1, 6, 6.1) means you've missed the point and are listening to Microsoft too much; Microsoft want you to think that RT == NT but in reality RT != NT.
On a tablet it's the first iteration (8).
Microsoft only have themselves to blame
This pickle Microsoft find themselves in is a direct result of being late to market. They can't set prices; they have to follow. Apple have sewn up the market in setting the leading technology (iPad) and have set the price. Anything near Apple's price will naturally be compared with the market leader (it sounds just like a Golf). If you've low quality offerings, you can only race to the bottom, hence all the cheapo tat running Android.
Producing an equivalent product to the iPad will be difficult as Apple have really sewn up the manufacturing systems with massive economies of scale, not to mention shed loads of lawyers.
Then there's the issue of a version 1 product. The iPad is approaching it's 6th iteration of the underlying software. Unlike Microsoft, Apple still keep the keyboard/window/mouse-centric Mac OSX separate from the tablet-centric iOS. Microsoft are embarking on releasing their first proper tablet OS whilst confusing the world with "it's Windows everywhere", running the risk of damaging their core desktop OS in the process.
It's such fun watching this. It's like watching a playground fight between two bullies.
Need a popcorn icon:-)
Full screen still broken
Full screen mode hasn't been fixed. If you've multiple monitors -- normal for a laptop -- when you put an application into full screen it 'blanks' the other screen by displaying a rather naff canvas background. Apparently Apple thinks that full screen means "only one application can be seen". So sod you if you've got several monitors (easy with Thunderbolt).
See the Apple website discussion "Dual monitors and fullscreen fiasco, is there a work around?"
... and the winner is.... moderation
It always will be the ultimate answer to sorting out comments. Look at El Reg; who would possibly want to upset The Moderatrix? I know that we're given a lot more latitude, but I'm sure El Reg would implement mandatory moderation if we all started to get fractious.
Re: Nice i guess but
'Cos you can't lug the thing from client to client.
Some of us work at different locations and need a decent box to drag around. Clearly you don't get out to client's sites.
That's a 'Merkin keyboard.
Re: Does anyone remember
MilliBook, MicroBook, NanoBook, PicoBook, FemtoBook...
Re: Isn't this normal?
> weigh you each way
Yeah, that data you've got in that memory stick/hard disc is quite heavy:-)
Re: It isn't just about cost you dumb beancounters
Alas it's also about having a load of people having slow response times when there's server troubles. If they had their own machine they could at least be somewhat shielded from overloaded servers.
Lies, damn lies...
Rather than measuring accounts in terms of absolute numbers, it would be far more accurate to measure it in terms of account activity; numbers of accounts active on a daily basis; weekly; monthly; quarterly; dead; formerly active... etc.
A lot like Hotmail et al measure their accounts.
That way all the test accounts or one-off accounts could be eliminated. This utter tosh about 900M users is just that; tosh.
Re: Why am I not finding any of this remotely interesting?
Oh, so you're saying that to get the most out of Office, I also need to install W8 and Server 2012 whilst simultaneously ditching all existing infrastructure. And buy new fondle-friendly clients.
Bloody hell, that's. a BIG ask!
Re: Why am I not finding any of this remotely interesting?
Have they just abandoned security or are they doing it to collect the world's secrets? For whom?
In any commercial organisation one has to write a lot of Protect, Restricted, Confidential and Secret information. None of which is appropriate for storage on Ballmer's servers. That's the point of a thick client running standalone off the grid.
Are they really that stupid?
And WTF has Farsebook got to do with work? In every office I work in Farsebook is blocked on the firewall as it has a detrimental affect on productivity.
Re: MS didn't lose the plot...
I'm a Mac user who turned his back on Windows when Vista was announced. The usual words: "version N is the greatest, far better than version N-1", so I thought I'd skip a generation as their current version would turn out to be rubbish in comparison with the next version (for which I am not even capable of calculating its operational parameters, etc.).
Needless to say, I've no intention of trying version N+1, N+2 or any other forthcoming version. Once changed, forever gone.
The one thing I still use is MS Office, albeit the Mac version. They updated this last year and changed their all-in-one mail/calendar/contacts application called Entourage for an inferior "all new" Outlook. This spurred me on to change to the vanilla Mac mail, address book and iCal applications.
Here's the point; I actually think that it's better with separate applications. They all work together and I just don't miss Outlook.
It's a long process, but one can wean oneself away from Microsoft. I've only PowerPoint and Excel to go! For true MS development work, e.g. Visual Studio, there's always VMs, which are great.
Re: He's dead wrong... (@Horned-Devil)
There are two modes of operation; touch and Keyboard+mouse. These are mutually exclusive; anyone who's used an iPad and Mac (or Windows or Linux) will know this.
When I'm using my iPad on the train, I need a lightweight system that is easy to use and biased towards large fingers. I need built-in 3G mobile. I don't want size. I need to be able to use the thing in portrait (less space) and use my thumbs for typing. The applications need to be optimised for this mode of operation. I MUST have massive battery life; if I'm flying I want the thing to work for a good 10 hours or a lot more if it's just music.
When I'm using my Mac as a laptop, or as at the moment as a desktop, I need a large screen (or two), a keyboard and a mouse. I need the user interface to be optimised for this. I generally need lots of CPU to run various virtual machines, development environments, Adobe Fireworks, full on Office applications, a proper email client and shit loads of browser windows and tabs. I need lots of expansion; several USB's as a minimum. Generally I will plug the said lappie into the mains, or can accept a 4 hour life -- I'm prepared to go easy on the machine if I need to extend the battery life.
Back to my point... How the hell can you square this circle? A tablet needs to be LIGHT, supreme battery life, and optimised for touch. A lappie is the opposite.
That's why there's two completely different products; an iPad lookalike (that's WinRTSurfaceSlate) and a normal OS (that's Win8). The smoke that's currently being emitted from Ballmer's & Gates' jacksies is just FUD -- it's right out of their wrinkly old playbook.
Re: He's dead wrong...
How do you square the circle of powerful CPU + tiny form factor + battery life? Not to mention touch vs keyboard & mouse.
Oooh, it's a magic surface that uses alien battery technology
Anyone who's used an iPad and is a power user of Macs/PCs would know this.
Gates is blowing smoke -- and he must be well aware that he's attempting to get a legless donkey walking.
So, to summarise...
Errm, so they're saying don't use Windows?
Re: Good work, El Reg
You're showing up the rest of the media as a bunch of useless press-release advatorial writers. Proof that the average journo writes bollocks as doing tech was too hard for them.
Have a virtual beer token on me.
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