600 posts • joined 21 Mar 2009
Here we go round the goldfish bowl, the goldfish bowl...
I'm enjoying, nay relishing, no I'm "really excited" that Microsoft have eaten crow pie and finally come up with something that will be a worthy opponent in the forthcoming great SmartPhone wars. This is a genuinely good thing. It'll even improve Apple and Google's products.
What can't be denied is that Microsoft has released something that's truly a version one product when the competition are on their 4th major version (iOS), or second major version (Android - or is it the third?). Microsoft have an enormous chasm to bridge, and given their recent lack of innovation their biggest challenges are internal.
That said, I'm sure there's some good things about WinDog (I like that name, so I'm going to use it from now on). But you have to accept that there's a shed load of rubbish things about it. Having read some of the better reviews -- that's the ones that aren't paid for by Microsoft's PR department or written by barking MS fanboi shills. They all say there's a load of issues, as is quite reasonable given it's only just been released. Give it three more years...
Zune maketplace - only £90/year. Oh do leave it out. I've never bought a single track from iTunes, so what would I want with another DRM infested shop. I buy CDs and rip them. Or I buy tracks directly from the artist.
You didn't mention Office on WinDog. Wot a larf that would be to edit a document using a microscope. Still, at least it's not wrapped up in a ribbon. But in any case, Microsoft always add Office to their DogOS's. I've a 10+ year old HP Journada running Whince with Office. I never used Office cos it was crap then and nothing's changed since. Of course, if it were ported to an iPad with a decent screen size, that would be an entirely different story...
Sharepoint: snake oil. I once attended a 4 day introduction to Sharepoint course. I walked away with the feeling I'd wasted 4 days of my life staring in a marketeer's porn flick.
The fact is I, in common with absolutely loads of other IT *professionals*, have turned our backs on Microsoft. They make shoddy products, have the morals of a stoat, milk their cash cow markets dry; I'm tired of being lied to and Microsoft wasting my and my client's time and money. I'm thinking of IE primarily, but years of shoddy Wince phones, unreliable Office products and >100,000++ viruses tend to be rather significant factors.
For years I observed Microsoft release a product, pretty much any product, saying it's "the best", "they're really excited", etc. and that the previous product wasn't much use, certainly compared with the current release. Look at Office 2011, or Vista, or Exchange. When you've swum around the goldfish bowl a few times you recognise the same old rubbish and that it's really good to skip a few releases. I'm sure you'll grow to recognise it eventually.
So what makes you so happy about WinDog? Do you work for them or something?
Yes but no but yes but what's it *really* like?
> Yes they are a little late
Wow, the master of understatement.
> doesn't that say something about how well Microsoft have done with this product?
No. Not until it's in general availability and 'real' people have 'real' experience using it. At the moment it's very much a version one product with huge numbers of features missing and the only people reporting are either paid to report or have vested interests.
We don't know how reliable it is (fanboi shill opinions don't count); what it's like to live with; how long the battery lasts; if the missing features are really painful to live without; if the 'new' features are of any real use; being Microsoft, how much it crashes... It's a long list.
Gawd blimey guvnor...
Or a Cockney using the parlance of London: dog & bone = phone. Happens to fit the moment as "Windows Phone 7" trips off the tongue about as elegantly as a kebab hits the pavement on a Saturday night.
Why would I want to use the software? I don't do Facebook, think twatter is a bore and I've as much motivation to use WinDog as I have to downgrade my iPhone 4 from version 4.1 to 1.0.
You MS philes really are a sensitive bunch aren't you.
BTW how does WinDog work with YouTube? Can it render H.264 video in the browser?
Only two phones available?
> HTC seems to be having some software problems with its pair of Windows Phone 7 handsets
That's why there's a shortage, I'm not surprised they sold their two handsets even with software problems. I'm sure that they could sell a few more than that to Microsoft employees, etc.
The iPhone sold in hundreds of thousands at launch, even when it was overpriced.
BTW, if the WinDog7 software turns out to be a, well, dog, can one just install Android?
Dell eating WinDog dog food
Competition's great. But in this case Dell have to eat their WinDog dog food; if they don't then who else would. What a minging phone though - I bet the employees are well miffed with handing in their dedicated and finely tuned crackberries for a house brick of a glorified Skype phone!
We don't have a pathological hatred of all things Microsoft. We do have years of suffering their bloody awful products and have wasted years of development time. So if it seems like we're anti, we're not it's just our enjoyment of watching Microsoft squirm as the ball is on the other foot for a change.
I doubt if we're going to see endless 'new' products from Microsoft simply because they've forgotten how to innovate.
Oh, I'm writing this on an iPad. Where's the Microsoft equivalent?
More adverts, innane animations, inept UI designs, sound, CPU wastage...
I've FlashBlock to calm Flash down and 'just say no' to prevent Silverlight from installing. Now if only I could simply eliminate pointless jQuery animations...
What testing, there's been no time
It's been such a rush they haven't been able to refine the design nor test it. Are you surprised that they've not thought this through?
Errm, what's the difference...
...between IE Nein and the other browsers?
IE Nein only runs on Windows Vista and VII.
So what use is IE Nein to the majority of the world who don't run Vista and VII?
What about the other people who run their festering previous browsers - all three of them.
In other news...
Microsoft are developing a phone browser that supports HTML5.
Seems only logical.
Pity the poor people who've been suckered in to invest a great deal of time and effort into SilverLight. That'll teach them for adopting new, proprietary technologies too quickly.
State of the sun & moon?
I've always wondered if the state of the sun and moon should be considered when weighing things to this accuracy. After all, these celestial objects are responsible for moving giga-tons of water around the planet. Just ask Canute. Oh, he drowned.
Nowhere near finished
It only runs on a couple of obscure operating systems so how can it be finished. Doesn't even run on XP FFS.
FUD FUD glorious FUD...
10+Gb winsxs directory
Why, for goodness sake, why is the winsxs directory so large?
I know that on my iPad, I often miss items I'm poking at with my fingers. Whilst it sounds a good idea to have a smaller form factor, Jobs' does have a very good point about fat finger syndrome.
Dell = dull IMHO. There's a lot of room for improvement.
Procurement is the problem
Add that the cost/effort/complexity of doing a procurement is part of the problem. In commercial companies people can make decisions. In government you can't.
Centralize procurement for 'gold' items
It's been divide and conquer for too long. It's time that 'gold' items (operating systems, office suites, core databases, desktop PCs, servers, etc.) were centrally procured to use the scale and credit rating of government.
The likes of Microsoft, Oracle, HP and the service providers, etc have shafted us for too long.
WTF are individual departments doing in purchasing the same old stuff over and over again?
Drag the Microsoft account manager into a room and tell him/her what we are prepared to pay for the whole of central and local government. If he doesn't like it tell him to fuck off and go open source. There's billions to be saved.
I have bare-bones Vista & 7 VMs that I can't get below 12Gb - that's *only* for testing browsers, compared with XP's 2.5 GB. Something to do with Microsoft's inability to sort out DLL hell; save every DLL in the winsxs directory. Google for "huge windows folder".
The new Air machines, particularly the small one, will rarely be used as a primary machine and probably used as a lightweight secondary "proper" machine to take on the road (e.g. where an iPad isn't sufficient). You're unlikely to need loads of space for music/videos, OK, a few Windows VMs might need some room.
I'm really looking forwards to seeing the small one. I might just buy one to upset the second poster! It looks so pretty, I could get one just to put on the wall to look at a thing of beauty. Chuck another acer/hp/tosh on the fire...
No mention of curity features
OK, someone with a Facebook fetish isn't concerned about security. However, as someone who eschews social networking as a future scourge that will blight careers, I'm interested in its security features.
1- what's the lock like; is there a pin or password; limited number of guesses, then what?
2- wiping data? Does it allow remote wiping? Does it wipe after 'x' failures?
3- how's the data stored? Encrypted?
4- backing up? Is this automatic from mTunes? Recovery?
5- locate my MPhone?
All of these points are missing from the article and are very important considering how much info one carries around in the average smartphone.
HP = minger
You forgot to add:
Minging looks vs gorgeous modern design
Plastic vs metal
3cm thick vs 1.7 cm (appearing much thinner towards the front).
Windows vs OSX
Some people WANT to have nice things; others go for price.
App store's a good thing IMHO
It's about time there was a central place to go to browse and download software. Sure, there's google, shareware.com, versiontracker, but the sheer convenience of the iPhone/iPad app store has been great.
As a customer, I like the idea of being able to download an app from that place with some confidence that it's, errm, genuine.
I don't expect Apple to create the walled garden of the iPhone/iPad -- they can't as one can simply install apps from anywhere. But I do like the idea of telling numpties that the only place they can get apps is from the app store and having a good chance that they'll listen.
They're paying the price of being late to market
Microsoft are at least three years late. Nope, FOUR years late as the iPhone's been out that long. Microsoft don't even have a version one product on the market yet**.
Unless Microsoft can invent a time machine to jump forwards and gain four years of tablet development and tablet application development experience... well, history is being made.
As someone said, Microsoft are suffering from the Ballmer effect. They're fundamentally an engineering company, now lead by a sales manager/accountant with a huge ego but little or no engineering knowledge to match.
If he did know a little about engineering, he'd know that you can't have lightweight + long battery life + fast performance + Windows 7. Pick any three. Or two.
**Windows mobile 6.5 doesn't count.
I see stars
Was that why Jobs bought those throwing stars?
My £2400 MacBook Pro 17" is *good* value for money. It's an excellent device, very fast, loads of storage and memory. It also costs a lot less than the tools in a plumber's van.
As a *professional* I don't care a jot about what amateur users think or purchase. As a *professional* I care passionately about being given the choice to purchase a decent high-end machine.
Please go down to Dixons and buy your £500 plastic, dog-slow, crapware-laden, pig-ugly, large, heavy, unreliable, shell of a computer that runs WinDos. I'm very happy to use a device that makes me feel good every day I use it.
Or, to put it into your words, you drive your 12 year old 1.2 litre car; I'll drive my new Range Rover (albeit that they're hideously ugly).
The one great benefit of the iPhone is that Jobs simply won't let the carriers add their crapware to the iPhone or iPad.
Lets face it, the carriers need to get used to the fact that they're simple suppliers of airtime. The world has moved on. Get used to it. And please will you just compete on a better network and carrier features (visual voicemail Vodaphone)?
Buy market share?
Will Microsoft simply buy market share by subsidising phones so that the operators simply fill the stores with more profitable lines -- windows phones -- than the others? E.g. drive demand from dumb punters.
The missing element is cool. The iPhone has that in buckets. Android too. RIM addicts don't care.
I guess Microsoft is just 'cheap' and possibly will be a success in that notoriously disloyal and fickle market segment: the children. Trouble is, it's not a particularly profitable market. It's either that or the pay-as-you-go market which the operators hate.
Ooh, it's such fun watching Microsoft's self-made, or is that Ballmer made, troubles. It isn't half going to cost them as RIM is so entrenched in a vertical segment whilst Google and Apple are truly fearsome adversaries.
Fight, fight, fight. Just imagine Ballmer in a Mexican wrestling mask!
Won't be many people downloading that...
Apart from Microsoft apologists such as Paul Thurrott, there won't be many people downloading this patch as Microsoft are so late and we've already got our smartphones. I'm on my third iPhone and I've many friends on their second Android phone.
WTF is a zone anyway?
That was August? They've missed that - or has this article taken 4 months to be published?
The next time people buy things in force is Christmas - or around Guy Fawkes night when the Americans make Bernard Matthews very happy.
10/10 for me meant that I was really tempted to buy a pair whilst waiting for a plane in Gatwick. Realising I couldn't turn the Dr Who Cyber Headset light off meant I didn't buy them. I'm sure there's plenty of kids that may like that sort of bling, but once out of school we soon grow out of that phase.
Odd really as it's adults that have the money to splash out on this kind of gadget.
Ended up going for the au naturelle B&W P5's instead. And I is really chuffed with them too.
Senheiser glow-in-the-dark cans
The've got a pathetic blue light on them that can't be turned off AFAICT.
Turned it from a 10/10 to 0/10 for me as soon as I realised that.
Nein, nein, nein
If IE Nein doesn't suffer from this vuln, then at least they've finally written some new code.
I expect it's related to the scripting built into CSS that's proprietary to IE. If it's quirks mode then IE Nein will also suffer as it ships with no fewer than four parsing engines for backwards incompatibility with their browsers formerly known as "great" or "best ever", but now on the scrap-heap.
This can be blamed on Ballmer too
1995-1997 - beat those bastards at Netscape by ignoring standards
1997-2000 - write our own "standards" and build several substandard browsers
2000-2005 - created a substandard browser that proper fucked the web and held back development
2005-2008 - created a substandard browser that proper fucked the web and held back development
2008-2010 - created a mediocre browser that didn't support HTML5
2010 - built a browser that's nearly, but not quite, as good as all the others
Why, Google, Why?
Microsoft chose to only make IE9 available at the enormous cost of upgrading** and it just ain't worth it.
Just install XP with any modern browser and remove access to IE6. Job done.
Why should a business building and selling spod rods and gangel pins be interested in filling Microsoft's coffers? It's Microsoft's business to extract more money by obsoleting IT, a job which they do extremely well. It's the gangel pin manufacturer's business to sell more spod rods and keep costs low.
If XP was good enough 8 years ago, it's good enough for now.
** Costs include: training, planning, migration, hardware, software, testing, support, personnel, infrastructure updates... Not migrating includes costs such as: [none of the above].
1) MS just haven't potted their *beta* IE9 to XP yet and will do it later.
2) Their code is so shit that it needs hardware acceleration - unlike all other browsers.
3) A MS marketing tard fantasises that people will move to VII just to use IE9
The fact is that rubbish browsers from Microsoft generates huge wealth for the web development community. Sure, it's a right ball-ache to code for, but that's why the punters pay us so much. Let's celebrate that IE9 won't be generally available to the vast majority of MS customers for years hence.
Nay, 'orses for courses
Sorry, but you've missed the point. An iPad isn't a replacement for a lappie, even a small one.
It's an entirely different device aimed at different uses. Reading in bed, on the bog, standing on the train, watching the telly. Sure you could use a lappie but it's not the same.
Take, for example, this morning. I checked my email on my iPhone whilst waiting for the train, realised I needed to write a few paragraph reply. I got on the train and pulled out the iPad to write the answer whilst listening to some music. Did so and sent the message as it's always on network is transparent to use. Then decided to do some paid work so as the train wasnt too full, I brought out the 17" Macbook Pro to update a course I wrote using PowerPoint, Word and various Windos virtual machines; you need a machine with real grunt for that along with a decent keyboard and mouse.
Why carry both? Simply that the client whose site I'm working at needs me to do some design work which isn't possible on their lousy machines. Hence the Mac. So I billed twice today because I used my time wisely.
Each computer is different and optimised accordingly.
Lack of cursor keys
Spot on with that observation; it's amazing how useful cursor keys are and how annoying it is to use the point and magnify facility for typing. Doubly so if you're using a RDP emulator to connect to a server/whatever.
The lack of an an 'apostrophe' where God intended it to be by the return key is also annoying.
But, it has to be said that it's (yet another hit of the return key where the apostrophe should be) a great device for when you are travelling really light. I took mine on holiday just to do lightweight emailing & browsing; terrific for that.
I actually find typing - with the exception of the aforesaid apostrophe - really quite a good experience.
I reckon we need a keyboard application so we can customise the layouts or have special keyboards with four rows for editing.
Will be so much better with the forthcoming OS upgrade.
Take away general purpose computers
Surely this is the strongest argument for taking away general purpose computers from numpties and giving them a locked down device where they simply can't do any harm. Like an iPad.
I don't understand how Windows allowed an executable .scr that's from an external source. Doesn't it pop up a window? I thought outlook classified executables such as .scr's as non functional and prevented them from even running. Oh, of course, it's IE to blame.
It's still 150% more expensive
You're right; Microsoft have finally added PST import into their fourth version of Office for the Mac. About bloody time. I admit I was wrong and apologise for misleading anyone.
To quote from Amazon.co.uk about the £104 Office 2011 3 user: "Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011 includes Word for Mac, PowerPoint for Mac, Excel for Mac and Messenger for Mac."
No mention of Outlook. I've seen this elsewhere but can't find the reference. BTW Messenger is a free download.
Office 2008 Home & Student 3 user - which includes Outlook^H^H^H^HEntourage - currently sells for £70)
Also from Amazon.co.uk, "Office for Mac, Home and Business Edition, 2011" includes Outlook and sells for £177.
Office 2008 Business edition (AFAIKS the only difference between the versions is an Exchange connector) is listed at £322. This also lists the free remote desktop connection application as included.
So, like for like, most people will need to pay an £177 - that's an additional 150% or £107 -- for the equivalent version of Office 2011.
Again, I'll restate that Office 2008 is actually quite a good application so there's no point in upgrading, especially as 2011 include the damnable screen-space wasting ribbon.
Gouge the punters for me Steve...
It appears that this is a lightweight, superficial update to something that works perfectly well thank you very much. It adds a few new features but there's nothing that's compelling enough to dig out large piles of money for the upgrade.
It's still missing critical features: Entourage^H^H^H^H^H Outlook still cannot import PST files. You will need to shell out for a third party product for that.
Pricing is interesting; up from that charged for Office 2008 (currently selling for around £70) to £190 for Office 2011 Business Edition as they DON'T include Outlook in the base version.
Mac users have the choice of using the built-in OSX Mail and Calendar applications and are quite pre-disposed to using other suites - iWork (£60), or OpenOffice (free). It's going to be a hard sell for Microsoft.
Maybe their pricing strategy is based upon the average Mac user being more affluent than PC users? Affluent maybe, but not stupid.
I use my copy of Office 2008 daily and really like Entourage. I sure as hell won't be upgrading as there's no point, certainly not at those prices. And where's the iPad version?
Certain demographics only?
That only applies to certain demographics. Like those with Facebook accounts and of those, the ones who actively take part in their network.
In short, mostly younger people.
Statistics, damned statistics and lies. Probably propagated by the FaceBook PR company. Again.
Citation please. Base data too.
Hope it fixes 3G performance
Ever since installing iOS4 on my 3G it's run like a dog and is borderline unusable.
Could this be a sneaky way of getting people to upgrade to the iPhone 4? If so, it was obviously planned in Job's secret island whilst stroking his white cat. Not sure I want to upgrade now my arm's been twisted.
How I wish I could downgrade to iPhone OS version 3.1 as iOS4 offers very little to 3G users, certainly not multi-tasking.
Pondered these for ages and finally got the chance to listen to them at the Apple Temple to Tech. Hundreds of yoofs filling the store. Put these on my head, plugged in my iPhone and.... like entering a different world. Now had them for three months and have never regretted buying them.
The attenuation of external noise is superb. Train journeys are a pleasure. The sound quality sublime. The comfort, like an old pair of slippers.
But it's the quality that just can't be understated. Cannot be compared with the plastic tat from the likes of Bose, et al. Like getting into a Bentley in a car park full of blinged up todger-mobiles.
Not to be underestimated, the box opening experience is one to rival Apple. Superb, and one that reinforces your decision to spend money on decent head gear.
And then there's the natty soft quilted case with magnetic flap to store them in once you've finished.
Only criticisms are they're heavier than their plastic counterparts. Not that heavy, but you do notice them after a day. They're also not particularly comfy when hung around your neck, such as when you slide them off your head to speak to someone.
I just don't get the point of this gadget. I've never bought music or videos from iTunes and won't be starting any time soon. Not least because the network and bandwidth is lousy and unreliable.
But most of all because I just don't get 'rental'. If I download something, I want to keep it and play it on any of my devices be that a Mac, iTelly or car stereo when I want and as many times as I want.
Calling it an Apple TV just seems a misnomer. More like Apple iTunes portal with added DRM. Surely it should also be free or next-to-nothing as without downloading from Apple, it's pretty limited.
Surely an Apple TV device worthy of the name would record from air a-la Freeview box; play assorted format files; allow purchasing and streaming from iTunes; rip DVDs & CDs; run apps from iTunes; have huge storage; networking abilities... In short it's a Telly-centric iPad plus extras. Hey, a Mac Mini with Elgato device.
That sure as hell isn't going to happen as it does too much for too few bars of latinum that Jobs loves to covet.
Definite miss for this device.
Phones in secure locations
You aren't allowed to take phones into secure sites/locations. Makes no difference if theyre with or without camera.
The meta tag is necessary to stop (L)users from setting their IE8 into IE7 mode (or idiot IT departments setting a policy). IE8 has two engines; the ok but nothing special IE8 engine, and the bug-ridden IE7 engine for "incompatibility" mode to render shite, broken websites the same as IE7.
Properly coded website *may* be incorrectly rendered by IE8 in IE7 mode so you *have* to use the meta tag to ensure your site works.
Will this poxy nightmare continue? I can hardly be arsed to bother downloading the beta as we all know it'll be the same old shit that Redmond always turns out.
Kids will be kids?
So, you put a button on a page that says "in case of emergency, click here" or wotever. How many kids could not resist that? About 200? How many were journos? How about friends of SeeOp?
Can we have audited clickthrough figures please.
They're only developing the 'interesting' stuff and not focussing on the important but boring suff such as re-writing the broken printer engine. There's loads of bugs outstanding for years that remains unfixed because it's percieved as dull.
Dull and important. No, lets play with the toys.
Go Apple go!
> only applying them when the company has "adobe" in its name is hardly fair.
Oh yes it is.
Adobe are a menace to the web with more security exploits per application than even Microsoft; total absence of standards compliance; creators of more unaccessible sites than FrontPage; and a bunch of rip-off merchants to boot.
Bring back Madame La Guillotine
The problem with crushing is that you have to kill the hard disc. If they dumped computers into the crusher there's a chance that the hard disc may well escape.
The only way is to remove a hard disc and literally fold it in half. Dropping a heavy spike on it, a-la guillotine, right in it's spindle chuff would proper fuck it. Or an oxy-acetylene torch. Or a disc cutter. Or even a 10lb sledge hammer. Ooh, torturing hard discs, what a great job.
It's surprising that there aren't mobile disc breaking services like there are for paper shredding. Tenner a disc?
Fantasic news for... web developers:-)
Oh yes as the dog says.
For years we'll need to create TWO websites; one for the HTML5/CSS3 compliant browsers, the other for IE6, IE7, IE8, i.e. Microsoft's legacy.
I wonder where this is leading? Will it a) hold back adoption of HTML5/CSS3, or b) lead to a two-tier interwebs.
Certainly going to be challenging for the laggard IT departments who still consider a 'browser' to be just for looking at thar intarwebs and not delivering mission critical applications. The ones who see this as a fantastic opportunity to move the corporate forwards will be well rewarded.
But, IE9 only works on Windows VII. So what's the choice for upgrading if you're going to stick with XP... oh yes, use a non-Microsoft browser.
Microsoft are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Shweet, they've only themselves to blame:-)
There's a choice of three. All different. Lumping them all together is negligent.
OSX "upgrade" version
The OSX Snow Leopard upgrade version is a full version. It's licence may not be, but the software is.
Mac users have always bought a licence - when they bought their original Mac.
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