73 posts • joined Wednesday 4th February 2009 15:42 GMT
Sorry, but I already gave it to the wife, as it fits her usage pattern - SMS, calls, some photos from time to time and that's almost all Since it has a better screen and a better camera than the blade she was using (something had to be better) she didn't mind. But as I've said in another forum, she has already complained the meteo app is inferior to the one in android...
Now I need to find out how to get the photos out of there and into a pc running a decent OS...
It is to be expected
Both the low numbers of Lumia users "in the wild" with FB accounts in the integrated application, and the number of active, vocal Lumia "users" in the forums. I've used one for a few weeks (a gift) and gave up on it. My old N1 is faster, way more flexible, and does what I need a smartphone to do. The lumia did what I once did with a feature phone. If that is all you need, great. By all means get one. But I tell you, you can get a feature phone much cheaper.
I concur, don't bother
According to some of the people at XDA that have already received the second update from Nokia (as Nokia as staged it over two weeks, a few product codes at a time), it still doesn't fix the battery.
I've given my Lumia to the wife, as she doesn't use the "smart" part of the phone, only doing calls and SMS. But she has already complained the meteo app is inferior to the one on her android phone...
And you won't believe all the work you need to do even the most basic of things, as setting a mp3 as the ringtone... WP7 is simple as long as you don't try to do anything.
For that they have Waggener Edstrom doing their astroturfing campaigns, stuffing votes for "mobe of the year" sites, paying commentards and downvoters everywhere. They are hoping that even if their scheme is now quite public, they'll smother dissenting opinions just by volume.
Don't believe me? Try saying here that the wp7 interface wastes one third of the screen with a useless blank area, and that the tiles look more like a child's toy than a smartphone, and see how many downvotes you get. And don't even mention the lack of USB mass storage, no expansion, medium hardware.
Then go check the history of the authors of the praising opinions, and see if you find anything peculiar.
Mine is the one with a rooted and customised android in the pocket...
Are you guys comparing with the OVI market? That thing was absolute crap! The last time I used it, when I was still saddled with a crappy, reboot prone, N96, the search didn't work, most stuff was for pay only and expensive, and had a very limited selection. At least on the android market there are choices, you're informed on what permissions the app wants (and with some ROMs/add-ons you can block those on a per-app basis), there are lots of free and FOSS software, and the search has always worked for me.
As for the market promising "at least 1000" but only showing 480, maybe the others aren't available for your region/country? That is what I hate most about the market, but I understand why it was implemented.
Toshiba is doing the same
I bought a netbook and after registering it I was informed by Toshiba that my warranty will last only one year. I need to read up on Italian law to see if a foreigner can complain here and get these guys before a judge... Hopefully these thugs will be handled a larger fine on appeal, to dissuade further behaviour from them and other corporate a**holes.
Nice to see your 4 posts
And you say you aren't a MSFT PR? You didn't even miss the "android is fragmented" line, the "Everything is integrated so well" or even better, finishing with "All you haters who haven't even tried it, just have a go."
Come on, some of us have already given it a go, and still hate the fugly child toy interface, which wastes half of the visible screen, forcing you to scroll to read anything. The much touted (by MS PR) tiles are just android widgets, non-configurable. And you can't even change the background? You can transfer files to phone only with zune or through the MSFT cloud, and even then only approved file types?
I'll give you one thing, the integration is nice, but I'd rather trust google with the knowledge of all my accounts (which the probably already have) than MSFT..
There is no such thing as bad publicity
And Apple is probably just recognizing that. Besides, in the last year, the only thing that the Reg has brown nosed more than Apple and itoys was the fugly WP7. I haven't seen the much touted el Reg criticism in the itoy reviews for a long, long time. It was conspicuously absent now that Apple reaffirms itself as evil, appealing a low fine for a situation in which they were clearly guilty. And you guys waste such a golden chance of criticizing them for their lack of morals and absolute disrespect for European governments and laws? Sincerely, what a sad, sad article. All that drivel because some junior manning the PR at Cupertino during the holidays called you?
It sounds right
Here they (Nokia) set up a huge display/booth in the middle of the entrance of the Media World shop. Always empty. The Samsung booth, almost hidden at the far right, is always full. Seems like even the typical adolescents that fill the shop won't touch windows phone...
Are you an employee of Waggener Edstrom? Speaking of "under various names, you've been at this for years"...
When MSFT uses such tactics, is it so strange that anyone posting repetitively on favour of them, even against the evidences, is considered a shill?
You can already do this
You can do much of this permission control either with LBE security guard (available in the marked) or by flashing a MIUI ROM. For the latest one, the superuser app controls all these permissions.
Also, Apple is in on it - and they are against any thing proposed by Google, so this looks like a barely hidden effort to torpedo VP8 and OGG. The time to end once and for all this idiotic patent craziness is long past.
"So, you think that every developer should always work for free and never charge for their work?"
No. And I never said that, and that isn't imposed by the GPL. What the GPL imposes, and that MSFT and some of the posters here don't like, is that if you take others people code, you have to "pay" for it. Unlike BSD and other "permissive" licenses, which allow a big company to just use your work for free (like MSFT did with the TCP stack in windows), GPL forces the companies to pay back, giving the improvements back to the community.
If you don't like the GPL, don't use it for your code, aand don't use GPL code. But stop spreading FUD about poor starving developers, when the main point is that GPL forces companies to obey obligations for the usage of the code.
And you forgot
MSFT must convince users with the fugly Metro interface. Would you be caught using something that looks like a fisher-price toy, a bad copy of Android's widgets with half the functionality? I know I wouldn't.
Seems like a hit
Just look at the number of scared fanbois and softies spewing fud and downvoting any positive commentary!
Seriously, it looks very nice, the hardware acceleration was due (should stop the last remaining myth, android lag, from being taken seriously even by fanbois), and I wonder what will iOS copy next, so that the fanbois can claim apple invented it. Of course baristas won't be moved by android, but as for anyone with a little more critical thinking capabilities, android is even more the only show in town.
The "oh so perfect" WP7 that a particular regtard is so enamoured of is eating battery like crazy? And the same happens on the last jesusphone? Poor fanbois and softies, now their trolling anti-android arsenal has been reduced to the very much fictional "android lags" line. :D
mrweekender, Craiggy - watch out. When I made a similar assertion, that based on my recent observations here on the forums, any less positive comment on the WP7 phones would get at least 10 downvotes, I got over 20... And I didn't call them paid voters, I just assumed they were MS employees.
Old n Cynical might have some reason with his comment that it might become tiring as some people might bash Microsoft automatically, based on previous experience (or not), but it is also tiring seeing the high number the extremely high and apparently scripted praises WP7 gets, and the vicious attacks on any criticism of the over simple interface and the lack of functionalities. Or the constant mention of the same criticisms on other mobile OSs, independently of being true or false, by the same people who only see positives on Microsoft products.
You mean by fanboi versions of reality? Because you should really quit with the "iOS clone", in particular since iOS 4 most iOS "innovations" are just a copy of android functionalities (notifications anyone?).
Maybe. Usually all comments mentioning the ugliness of WP7 and its limitations get the same 10 downvotes, though. But you're right, this time we'll get also the few remaining Nokia employees, not only the softies, downvoting my comments.
Still, that won't change the fact that WP7 is ugly as sin, apparently targeted at dummies with its limited copy of android's widgets, still way behind android (if it is at iOS 2008 level as you claim, then maybe in 4 years it will catch up to the current - 3.x - android incarnation), and the hardware is meh at best, not even the same level as last year phones. But I suppose some people will still buy it, if only due to the Nokia brand.
Written by a true softie...
Come on, only Orlowski could do a "review" of the prostitute, sorry, lumia, phones? With such gems as "WinPho 7 now offers a better experience for ordinary punters than its Android rivals." to start with, and with mr. Orlowski latest articles lauding and praising the colourful fischer-price like interface, how much credibility does this have?
I know all the softies will downvote me at once (yes, all 10 that vote here regularly), but come on, can you be more transparent than this?
11 comments> Where are they?
Strange, when I open the article I see there should be 11 comments, but none are visible yet.
Did they all mention the fallacy that is inherent in trying to justify Apple's behaviour and the existence of holes in iOS by pointing to android?
We all know by now that android is the touching stone for mobile OSs, no need to keep pointing to it when the article is about iOS or Apple touchiness.
Looks like you really upset the softies - but one of them is probably still asleep, they usually have 10 votes. Can someone go and wake the chair throwing one, he forgot to downvote a criticism of the fisher-price toy?
Great phones, shame about Sony
I don't know. In one hand, nothing beat the K850 camera, and the XPeria Neo is the smartphone to have if you also want to take decent pictures. They run android, so you'll always get the fastest, latest, greatest, either if Sony doesn't stumbles with upgrades or if you root them and install a 3rd party ROM. The hardware specs are nice. The whole Xperia line looks very nice and is up there with the Samsung and the HTC.
I just can't forget this is the same Sony that distributed rootkits with their CDs, and which removed 3rd party OS support from the PS3, even going after hackers using all legal (even if immoral) means available. Until now, one could say it was an independent division, a joint venture with Ericsson. Now one has to wonder if Sony will manage to ruin their smartphones business, which was now picking up again with the Xperia line.
I wonder what has made Andrew so optimist in regards to nowin and its fisher price interface. Even the typical fud "android lag", "android isn't free", is on the piece, it could have come directly out of Elops or its chair throwing buddy copywriters.
So the big defect with Meego, an os/interface that is getting a lot of praise even after been killed 8 months ago, is that it misses a Kndle application?
What about all that the fisher price phones miss, starting from the lack of connectivity (no SD, no standard USB connection) to the immature OS with the limited interface, passing by the empty app store?
If Nokia could launch such an amazing phone as the N9 after having fired almost all its developers, one can only think what would have happened if the crime of February 11th hadn't taken place. And if after all these months all they can come out are the whore^h^h^h^hLumia phones, with last year specs, one has to wonder much longer will it take for Nokia to come with up-to-date phones, and what the competition will be doing by then.
I still see nobody that would be caught dead with a NoWin phone. Maybe the Nokia brand will sell some, but I really doubt it.
Looks like apple paid more
When apple can block samsung with a ridiculous round corners "design patent" and samsung can't block apple with some real patents, it is easy to see who made a better offer to the judges...
So a MSFT$ sponsored troll attacks google via Motorola?
What else is new? Seems like apple and msft are reduced to patent trolling since they can't compete on merit. Intellectual vultures is just another msft tool in this war to extort fees from any and all android manufacturers, using the extremely broken patent system.
Who was writing it?
The same "social networkers for hire" that downvoted your reply, and consistently upvote anything pro-apple (or pro-msft, depends on who is paying that day) on the first 30 minutes an article is published?
Re: Stick to Android
Translating: If you have the attention span of a 4 year old and need to be held by the hand when using your pc, go to metro or iOS. If you're an adult, can make your choices and can use a computer without calling helpdesk every 5 minutes, stick with android.
And now, with the amount of voting done by softies on previous posts, I'm going to get downvoted like crazy...
The "expert" you mean, has failed again and again his predictions. His "analysis" are so wrong it isn't funny. His articles can safely be discounted as nothing more than anti-google FUD, and have been blown to bits several times by Groklaw and others.
Do you want to really know what are some of the patents? Just look here - http://phandroid.com/2011/08/22/of-motorola-mobilitys-17000-and-7500-pending-patents-18-will-be-key-to-protecting-android/ - and tell me again, with a straight face, how these patents don't help.
This article is another in a series of anti-google tirades by Mr. Orlowski which sorely miss any content.
"Informed technical opinion all points to a heavy defeat for Google."
Strange. Besides Orlowski, only one certain blogger keeps insisting on that, and he isn't exactly what I'd call "informed". His posts on patents have been thoroughly debunked by Groklaw, and I don't recall any of his "predictions" being right. Seems like Orlowski is the only one still giving credibility to these "analysis".
Even the American judge told Oracle to substantially reduce the claims, so I really don't see what "informed opinion" is there pointing to such a defeat for android. And, in case anyone forgot, software patents are only valid in the USA. In more civilized countries they are not recognized. So I fail to see why would google have to start charging for android, other than to make its opponents happy.
Seems like I was right
Orlowski really wrote this at the pub... If not, why delete my comment? Because it was missing a "joke"icon or a <sarcasm> tag?
I'm not the one missing the point
Stability, in Nokia/Symbian, ended in the N95. On the aforementioned N96 (and others), the only way to have the GPS find where it is quickly is to replace the supl.nokia.com with supl.google.com, and that won't help you on the N96 as it will still reboot when the GPS has to deal with a large intersection.
It isn't smooth - I had to wait minutes for that crap to finish booting before being able to do anything. If I dared try to access contacts or dial while it was still loading some background crap, it would happily reboot again.
As for the signal - any of my android phones gets a signal with more ease than the last nokias (plural) I had. The only phone I had that had better reception (and still does) is a really venerable nokia 7100 - from when they knew how to make phones. Even the 6600 had worst reception than my "matrix" nokia.
I agree with you, that for the same functionality, one should need less power with newer generations of phones. However, the android has so much more functionality, and functionality that I can use immediately instead of having to hunt through a complicated and messy menu system, that it will use that power. You can use something like setcpu to put your cpu clock constantly at 260MHz and still use it well for phone calls, etc., all the basic phone stuff. But with a more powerful phone you can do a lot of other stuff, from playing games to sending photos and videos to the family, to sshing into a server in case of need, etc. Btw, you'll have to tell me how to get push functionality working on a series 3 symbian - it never worked on my N96.
As for your final straw man, on what to do in case of an attack - I see you keep insisting on an android phone having less signal. I don't see that here. I see winmos being unstable, crash happy crap that can't do a call reliably, even with full signal power, and I see recent nokias also becoming crash happy, slow, and getting less signal than any of my androids. And here the signal reception is crap in many places - but my android never let me down.
You were going well...
Until you entered the "viva winmo 6.5, down with android" rant.
I don't know which android phones you had and with what firmware, but I can tell you my N1 and my wife's Sapo A5 get better signal and are much more stable than the crap N96 (the last nokia I ever bought) I still have here gathering dust. And comparing to a friend's winmo 6.5 HTC I always get a stronger signal on any of the androids - besides the androids being faster, more flexible, and much more stable. Saying that winmo is more stable, in what do you base that? I've seen it crash during normal usage, and it never seemed particularly stable. Never mind you had to hunt for specially hacked firmwares to get it to upgrade, or else just get stuck in the early, buggy version it was released with.
In the end, most HTCs with winmo have older, inferior hardware (even compared to the cheap ZTE/Sapo A5) and an abandoned OS, and while the N96 had a great camera ans speakers, it had that god awful symbian ui, and the crash happy firmware that won't even let me use it as a GPS because it will reset for sure as soon as we are near an intersection.
I think my last good nokia was the 6600 (the original one).
Really, I don't understand the android bashing in your post, and the lies about the ZTE on other posts. Android is a great, stable, fast and flexible OS with a extremely involved community (something that is missing from ALL the other phone OS), the hardware ranges from the so-so to the great, and it really is faster and more powerful than winmo on the same hw - just ask anyone who has upgraded an HTC HD2, all my friends went from winmo 6.5 to android in a second.
Either the ZTE is released in the UK with a firmware much worst than the bloated Portuguese version, or it isn't the same. I got the wife a Portuguese Sapo A5, which even before the recent official update to froyo was fast and lasted up to 3 days. The only reason I ended up flashing cyanogen on it was to get rid of all the TMN/Sapo applications, that were useless for her. With gingerbread the battery now lasts a little less (around two days), but it is still snappy, the camera is ok (a flash would help in interior shots), and the screen is bright and easily readable. It responds very well to swipes, and the accelerometer screen turning, while not instant, is fast enough.
This, together with a quarter of the cost of the X7, makes it very difficult to understand why to chose the later.
Low end specs
The specifications on par with the ZTE Blade (or Orange San Francisco) with a better camera and probably better speakers, but a worse screen.
Besides that, the ZTE has a decent OS, made for touch, frequently updated, and with a vibrant community, not a soon to be abandoned one.
The ZTE can be bought by 150€, tell me again how much does this cost?
Stranger in a Strange Land
I don't think that it would survive the censors, at least the uncensored version. Group sex, public sex, polygamy... Seems a little "tough" for american audiences. And it has almost no gore, so even tougher to sell to the clickies target audience!
But it would make a very interesting film.
Another couple of Heinlein novels that I don't know if they could ever film without changing the basic premises are "The Sixth Column" and "Farnham's Freehold".
Portuguese a spanish language?
Didn't we kick your ass out of Portugal 4 centuries ago?
Portuguese never was a spanish language. Next thing you'll claim Italian also is a variant of Spanish...