1901 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Re: Now is the time?
>>"...what exactly does Office 2013 offer me that LibreOffice doesn't?"
You're back to the same 80% problem. 80% of the users really don't have to care about Outlook.
It's mainly persistent FUD that keeps Microsoft products alive.
Helping to destroy this perception has been one of the nice side effect of the rise of tablets.
Re: Now is the time?
>> "I am going to start recommending LibreOffice "
> Good luck with that in the real world. It might suit some home users, but it is laughable inadequate in the enterprise.
I have been a successful stealth OpenOffice user in some of the largest corporations on this planet.
The necessity of any particular brand of spreadsheet or word processor has always been grossly overinflated.
Re: Just why bother to use MS Office?
> Because functionally it's far superior especially when any sort of automation or business intelligence is involved.
...which is pretty much NEVER for most people.
People have just bought into the idea that they need to use Word Perfect at home. It was a bogus idea in the 80s and it still is. Stupid Lemming fueled vendor-lock is the only real reason for this nonsense. This is true even in a business context.
Even most business users don't use the automation and BI features you're blithering about.
The only concern is "will my simple document look right".
Re: So who was it
You've moved the goalposts.
It used to be that Apple was taking over. Now it's more like "but they haven't died yet".
Re: A great article with just one point that I'd take issue with...
> Not so much in the US, but they already had big-ass back-projection CRT 60"+ sets when we brits were still squinting at 26" tubes
My first big screen TV was one of those. HDTV sets are a dramatic improvement over those beasts.
Re: Good article, but does the punter care?
> works just fine on me iPad
Apple products are pants when it comes to what subset of the h264 standard they support. If you are interested in any other video encoding or different container formats then you might as well forget about it.
Then there's all of the other stuff from the original media besides the video.
> We've already seen things where technically the better solution
You are confusing technical superiority with personal preference.
Re: Windows on servers, how noughties!
What? Some idiot Lemming is conflating bugs with malware causing trouble in the wild. Imagine that.
The problem with fixating on Fortune 100 security requirements as they relate to Windows desktops is the fact that they relate to Windows desktops. Those are machines that are a menace on any network. This leads to a painful user experience for the megacorp employee as all of the crap that Fortune 100 companies subject a Windows box to are a cure worse than the disease.
When you see Windows app installers punching holes into the Windows firewall, you really have to wonder.
> Window 8 desktop connecting over nfs4 or smb 3.0 gives better performance than Linux in every situation.
That's funny because I can saturate GigE with Linux. It's hard to get better performance than the theoretical upper bound.
> Actually, Apple is regarded as one of the best companies for taking care of problems.
...by a captive audience perhaps.
The thing about PC users is that they can always dump their current brand for another one. There's no need to see the world through rose colored glasses because you don't have any other choice.
Problems shouldn't happen to begin with. If your Mac is languishing in the shop for two weeks then Apple has already failed you.
Re: Major economic downturn, computer sales slide 12% shocker.
> I thought like that, until I noticed that the upgraded processor would need some new slot, which required a new motherboard, which often couldn't use the RAM from the old one...
Sounds like you made a poor choice to begin with. Tech moves fast but not that fast really. If you can't squeeze a few upgrades out of your hardware then you are making poor and easily avoidable choices.
Unless you paid an arm and a leg for the fastest CPU available at the time, there's probably an upgrade path for the CPU.
Re: My solution
15 inches isn't a work screen. It's a throwback to the 80s.
It's interesting how people managed to do work for so long perfectly effectively without overpriced luxury technology being considered the bare minimum requirement.
Re: My thoughts...
Shortcuts or symbolic links are great. They are a dreadfully simple way of exposing multiple organizational paths to the end user. You can present the "one big pile" approach of Apple tools while at the same time keeping a sane and powerful organizational scheme. Plus they don't require a database or some special proprietary single-app-only kind of scheme.
If Win8 got rid of shortcuts then that's really retarded.
Re: My thoughts...
> Not only does W8 work beautiful without touch
The missus ended up with a Win8 machine. After having used it for herself she views Win8 as an intolerable drain on her productivity. That includes usability failures as well as being bloated and sucking the life out of otherwise respectable hardware.
Microsoft seems to do poorly whenever there is any sort of measurable end user resistance to a new version of WinDOS.
They have that in spades with Win8. The odd fanboy/shill doesn't change that.
Re: It's not that hard to see the problem
Yes. Win8 is a definite negative. It also has the problem of being associated with devices where you can't install the OS of your choice. It doesn't matter if that "alternative" is Linux or Win7.
Microsoft's intentionally confusing marketing approach doesn't help.
Re: Yes the OS is irrelevant.
Win8 is definitely a turnoff. It's pushing something that you are not looking for if you are buying a PC in 2013. It's bound to be another "downgrade" situation like with Vista. People will want to make sure they can put something ELSE on the hardware.
Win8 tries to flush 30 years of accumulated end user experience.
Re: Thunderbolt be a solution...
> Incorrect. An array of 6Gbps SSD drives connected to a USB 3 bus will be severely bottlenecked by the USB 3 bus.
That was not the example.
You moved the goalposts. You also did so with a setup that pretty much NO ONE here is likely to see any time soon regardless of whether or not they get to buy it with someone else's money.
Stupid is as stupid does.
> Many of us consider it worth £280 to not have these ports on the laptop.
Considering how little space they take up, this is a bit retarded really.
"Look at me! I am TRENDY! I am follwing the hip new crowd of Lemmings..."
Re: Thunderbolt be a solution...
>> A problem that doesn't exist?!?
> Clearly you've never upgraded a Mac or PC from a stock HD to an SSD. Throughput is what it is ALL about.
In both cases, your bottleneck is the storage device. The kind of cable you choose to use really doesn't alter that.
> Crashes are not uncommon with eSATA,
That's funny. I run a RAID array off of eSATA. Never had a hiccup with it.
Sounds like a sour little fanboy.
I just worked with a laptop yesterday that had an eSATA port. I was kind of surprised as it was a pretty slim laptop. If it wasn't in the MBA category it was pretty close.
Blithering Fanboy nonsense
> You won't find this sort of stuff on PCs much
My wife uses a USB docking station for her work laptop and has never felt deprived over it.
Thunderbolt is just for suckers that like to brag how they needlessly pay more for everything as if they really have the money to waste like that.
Re: Not gloopy
Soylent also came in other colors besides Green.
Re: Anything for a hook
You know how it is with some people. They think rounded rectangles are proprietary features.
Re: Only genocide is sufficient
> I don't see why wiping out a native species as far as possible in order to reduce incidence of a livestock disease is considered remotely acceptable by anyone.
What? You've got nowhere over there where wild animals can roam without running into livestock?
No wonder you people think that populations should be systematically disarmed. You have no nature left.
Re: I'm on the fence on this one
> Bring back wolves, problem solved.
This from the same class of people that would not tolerate packs of pet dogs wandering around by themselves.
Wolves are a lot bigger and more vicious.
They're villains in fairy tales. There's a good reason they aren't lurking around cities anymore.
DVD and CD players aren't the same. They are far less bloated. They aren't weighted down with all of the nonsense that a BluRay player has to deal with.
A BluRay player is an entire patchable DRM platform. It's also a java interpreter as that crap was also added to the BluRay spec too.
Whereas a PC playing a file is going to need to deal with less bullsh*t.
Even a proper DVD player is going to involve less bullsh*t.
Plus, with an HTPC I don't have to deal with anyone's funky menus. One interface to rule them all.
The BluRay format is like a kick in the balls to consumers.
Re: It was bound to happen - somebody LISTENED to CUSTOMERS...
They may be opportunistic bast*rds but that's kind of what capitalism is supposed to be all about. You aren't at the mercy of just one bast*rd. You have a wide selection of them so that when one screws up you can patronize another one.
Yes corporations, knock yourself out to steak me as a customer. Bribe me away from my current brand.
> BluRay holds more data 25GB per layer rather than 15GB
> My BluRay player loads pretty fast
My latest home theatre speaker system comes with an embedded BluRay player. All it took was paying a spinny disk directly JUST ONCE to cure me of any interest in doing that again.
My HTPC doesn't just "load pretty fast". It does so instantly.
Doing your best to lower the bar.
A proper OS should be able to take everything you try to throw at it and laugh at you. That's ESPECIALLY true for computer science students. People who are going to be computing professionals should not tolerate unstable crap. The Mac user had a point.
I installed Linux in college for similar reasons.
Re: That GUI
> The you'll be glad to know that CDE was open sourced a little while ago :)
The fact that CDE was closed source was one of the things that led to the creation of KDE and GNOME.
CDE only was liberated when it became painfully obvious that everyone had moved on (including the likes of Sun).
Re: Bill Gates and "tablet computing"
As much as I hate to admit it, Bill actually did pioneer touch screen computing.
He just put it into a format (surface) that was far too expensive to be relevant to anyone.
Don't believe the hype.
> Several studies, made in different ways (ie event monitoring software, returns to manufacturer, customer surveys) suggest that Apple computers are fairly reliable.
I don't need "studies". I have owned several Macs.
A little firsthand experience cured me of any clueless admiration I might have had for Apple or it's products.
It's hard to get a real evaluation of their stuff since it is expensive and vendor locked and pretty much anyone that's bothered to own their products are already drinking the kool-aid. You might as well ask a Jesuit what he thinks of the pope.
Re: EVOLUTION of IT
> Appstore an evolution of Linux repositories, hilarious.
Not really. Just watch what scrolls by during Cydia installs. It's very enlightening.
You sound like a fanboy that can't handle that his messiah is a thief.
Nice self-nuke there.
> and it would push the price up for everyone.
Are you kidding? Really? This isn't Dell we're talking about.This is a "luxury brand". Leaving things out because of some need to cut corners is really not consistent with the usual Apple propaganda.
It could be a useful option.
That space could also be used for other interesting things like a 2nd hard drive.
Not everyone is some iPad wielding granny.
Re: Sleek Looks vs Servicability
> That is fine if you have servers or extra warranties but you recon the £499 HP box from Amazon comes with a 3 year on site warranty??
I am sure that HP would be quite happy to sell you one just like Apple would.
Re: Don't really see the need
> You have basically described a Mac Mini with external monitor.
Except perhaps for all of the other things you can get in a full tower PC.
A low profile PC can have plenty of room for expansion. You have lots of options. A PC can be as small as you want or as big as you want. Even low profile motherboards have multiple IO connectors and expansion slots.
A "Mac Mini" style enclosure is just one of the many options available.
PCs have always offered lots of options. Got my first "Mini" in 1999.
Re: Style over substance
H*ell. You could cobble this sort of thing together yourself and it would not be apparent from the front.
Just get a low profile PC and use the standard ANSI mount points on any monitor. Some brands of low profile PC even include the mounting bracket.
A couple of screws and you've got your fake AIO.
Re: Good grief
> fully functional 'Mac' and the ability to upgrade the base.
Not really. The machine is simply not built to expose itself to the end user. What little you can upgrade will require more effort than a conventional PC requires. It's like trying to upgrade an Atari ST.
The Mini will quickly become a doorstop as tech passes it by or something glitches. You can't really repair it or upgrade it with high speed components. It accomodates a limited number of user serviceable components.
Plus there's the whole "lets cook the PC" approach to system design. Although you get that with any consumer Apple product.
Re: Good grief
> but the PCs are rubbish
They are not. They're the same collection of random spare parts as the Apple product.
The only real difference is the OS.
Stop swimming in the kool-aid.
Re: Lot of money....
Except this AIO concept isn't even like a house or a car where you outsource all of the maintenance. This is more like some car where the hood is WELDED shut.
If a device isn't maintainable by an enthusiast then it won't be maintainable by a mechanic either.
Although plugging in a new video card is not nearly the chore some would try to make it out to be.
Re: All fugly except the mac
> but without Apple levels of service etc.
You mean components that cook themselves and leaving your machine at the Apple Store for 2 weeks?
Apple can't touch the "fugly" vendors when it comes to service. It's far too much of a consumer doo-dad company. Apple doesn't really sell to people that have to worry about the cost of downtime. They are completely out of touch when it comes to "service".
Re: Patents cost us money
> No agency can be expected to search every nook and cranny
If only "nooks and crannies" were involved here. A lot of the stuff that the US PTO lets through baffles undergrads and hobbyists. This isn't about obscure arcana but about having nothing resembling a clue and no interest in doing a proper job.
Re: Waste of Space (Don Jefe)
> I suspect most US citizens are convinced anyway that Samsung is ripping off Apple
You're just kidding yourself.
In all likelihood, most probably don't care about such "finer points" and just want their cheap doo-dad. They are not aware of the insanity with patents and aren't even aware of your silly propaganda (never mind actually buying into it).
Re: Waste of Space
It would still be an example of crony politics and protectionism even if it were declared acceptable under the law.
The fact that something is legal hardly makes it right.
Re: 235 patents & laches
> why has Foxconn, the biggest hardware manufacturer in the world, just signed a licensing agreement to pay Microsoft?
Appeasement usually seems like the easier, lest costly option.
Re: SOFTWARE SOFTWARE SOFTWARE
> Name one alternative
Why? You will just find some weak excuse to discount them all just as idiots like you have always done.
It doesn't matter if the license is open or not or what the platform.
You can't get over your brand fixation. Quality actually has nothing to do with it. Never has.
Anything that is not the herd choice will get shouted down. It's like you're a pod person.
That's one of the reasons I dumped Windows. I didn't need pod people screeching at me for daring to use an alternative to the herd selected brand.
Re: This is nonsense
> If you consider the differences between Windows 3 and 95 to be minor, then you do not understand the sort of software design changes that are patentable
The fact that trivial nonsense can be patented does not alter the fact that it is trivial nonsense.
> Why do you need to compare when for the majority of users MS comes pre-installed.
Sooner or later the bit rot will set in and they will need to reinstall.
The beauty of Unix (and this Linux) is that you can set it up and forget it about and leave it in a closet until you forget how you ever managed to install it to begin with.
It's Windows that needs constant maintenance just to remain safe to use.
> How do you know my "aging" [sic] mother is not a fucking computer scientist?
I know a 90 year old retired accountant that doesn't even speak very good English that does well enough adapting to new tech. It's more about the personality than the skill set.
The whole GUI concept allows for exploration and discovery. You just have to be willing to use it. If you aren't willing to bother at all then no amount of shiny shiny is going to help.
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