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Re: Cost per Gigabyte? Yes.
> Wait until the average user's anti-virus or backup kicks in and see how responsive their laptop is. Try searching for a file at the same time and tabbing between windows. This is hardly "power-user proposition"
Sure it is. You're just out of touch with the vast bulk of PC users out there.
Although the two batch jobs there should not be interfering with user responsiveness. That's just poor systems software engineering. A lot of the hyped benefits of SSDs come down to certain operating systems doing poorly at what is basically 70s style multi-user concurrency.
Re: Nice @AC 12:21
> It took half a decade of coding for Windows to convince me that it's actually a plucky little platform and even its quirks are quite endearing when you've seen it soldier on, day in and day out, for years, doing useful work with respectable consistency.
Soldier on? Consistency?
You've got to be kidding.
Microsoft lowering the bar with Windows is a very big part of why ARM devices are so trendy right now.
Cub Scout projects
Like the other guy said. The problem is that this is a project not for adults but for novices and children. It's a proof of concept system at best. In that regard, it's very much like any other cluster built out of ancient or woefully underpowered hardware. It's the butt of every joke about building a Beowulf cluster of something.
Re: Monopoly based mental block.... I think not
Before the rise of the tablets, I would have had a problem just plain GIVING a Mac to a stubborn low impact WinDOS user. The brand fixation with Microsoft was a near impenetrable barrier. Now dumping Microsoft products seems a lot easier for them. I suspect that's due to tablets successfully displacing PCs.
Suddenly it's not all Microsoft products anymore.
The times, they are a changing...
> Your lying , your missus dumped off 500 pounds worth of iPad for a smaller Tab 2.
Like I said. Not everyone wants the same black Model-T.
Contrary to the opinion of the fascists-in-denial, one size does not fit all.
Apple is not "inevitable". We don't have to turn the iPad into the next MS-DOS.
Grave to cradle.
> Of all people, I didn't expect you to sing along to what M$ wants to make us believe. Tablet with monitor, keyboard, and mouse? Like the Surface perhaps?
I could see some future more open tablet device docking to my KVM switch and being the equal of any of my older conventional PCs. That's not the direction were vendors are trying to direct things now but there's no reason it can't happen.
Most of the problem with tablets is bad policy imposed by short sighted platform megalomaniacs.
Re: Isn't this a bad thing for the industry?
> , it will not simply be replaced by what is essentially a computing periferal.
The "terminal" will not die. People will still need to compute on devices with "old fashioned" inputs. They may go back to being "business machines" but they won't go away entirely.
Monopoly based mental block.
> You absolutely hit the nail on the head, there... whether they go to Apple or an Android, these folk radiate a "wow, this is what I always wanted my PC to be like" glow.
This has more to do with the fact that it isn't Windows than anything else. People have had this long established mental block encouraged by Lemming FUD. Everyone was conned into believing that PC equals DOS and Windows. Most users would have been better off served with something NOT from Microsoft. Yet the monopoly feedback loop and constant propaganda made everyone feel trapped.
Tablets offered a fresh start with a product that superficially seems different than everything else.
It allows people to get past the idea they can use only one brand of OS.
Re: Erosion of PC market could be a death spiral
> Quicken? !
> Last time you used any form of PC or saw what "professionals" or businesses actually use was...?
Quickbooks is very much entrenched in the small business sector. Accountants use it and you need to be compatible with your accountant. It's the corporate equivalent of Quicken. The claim was poorly stated but essentially true.
If not Quickbooks then some similar alternative will be used and likely require something other than a Tivo user interface.
The missus was an iFan early adopter. She had her iPad1 probably before a lot of the fanboys here even ever saw one. Once she saw my 7" Tab2 she was immediately hooked and dumped all of her Apple products. While it was true that it was an impulse buy because of it's price, the price tag had nothing to do with the larger device with the fruity logo being immediately DUMPED.
Apple (and fanboys) showed open contempt for end users with a shred of independent thought or creativity and was soundly proven wrong.
> People get the 7" BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER! , The bigger screen gives a better experience,
No. The 7" screen gives you a better experience depending on your use case.
Contrary to popular fascist opinion, people are different. One size really does not fit all. There is room (nay desire) for more than one option in the market. Not everyone wants the same black Model-T.
Inherently cheaper devices only serve as a "gateway drug" to clue people in that they don't need to be a slave to one particular brand.
Re: Colour me shocked
The real problem is that a 5 year old PC is still respectable.
A 5 year old tablet or video streamer is a joke. Plus, the market isn't saturated yet.
The ARM device market is about where PCs were 20 years ago. In a world fixated on the newest thing and only the current quarter, a lot of ink gets dedicated to the flavor of the moment. Meanwhile, even mainframes happily chug along doing pretty much what they've always done.
The problem with the iTunes mentality is that if you don't like iTunes you're screwed.
A closed system is hell for a discriminating consumer. You're stuck eating nothing but Taco Bell.
Make the stamp, sign the book.
A Notary exists to verify that you are you when you are signing a legal document.
Why Apple would send scanned copies of documents received throuh email to a Notary is anyone's guess. Perhaps someone thinks it sounds impressive and official.
Re: Private companies DO do this
The real problem here is that a consumer was sent something that looked like a phishing email that then directed them to transfer highly sensitive personal data over an insecure channel. Apple was engaging in something that looks like a scam. They are encouraging people to lower their resistance to some very dangerous data practices.
Landlords and and car rental shops usually ask for these things on paper and/or face to face.
Plus there's the whole CAR or HOUSE versus a cheap gadget thing...
Being put through the wringer makes a bit more sense when $250K or $500K could be on the line.
Re: Best in class?
> But really, get out into the wider world where people spend money: you many be surprised.
It really depends on your assumptions.
It seems like YOU are the one likely to be surprised.
Linux has been displacing commercial Unix going on DECADES now. This displacement even includes Fortune 100 companies which are your last bastions of overpriced commercial Unix.
The truth is that EVERYONE is stingy. If you were up to your rhetoric then you would know that.
Shocking lack of perspective
This is something like the 2nd attempt at this EVER. It's new technology. This is real life, as opposed to a Star Trek episode. Stuff like this isn't instantaneous. Other types of firearms represent centuries of technological development. The author probably wouldn't like some of the original firearms either. He probably wouldn't like any of the first several generations.
Version 0.02 isn't "magical"? Imagine that.
Re: This is why they are losing
> Randomly trying different form factors in the hope of hitting one which is a success is not the way to succeed.
You mean like the 7" tablet?
Failed experiments are merely an artifact of a free market where anyone is at liberty to try their hand.
Apple has a few of those too. They just tend to be ignored.
Re: I went the other way.
> If your wintel boxes crash, they're built or used wrong.
The end user is generally not responsible for building a PC.
Otherwise, it should not crash period. "Using it wrong" is no excuse for a modern OS.
The fact that the vendor may have screwed up ultimately doesn't matter. I doesn't matter who you get to point the finger at if the end result is a big fat steaming turd.
Disraeli, Clemens, and other d*mn liars...
> "Dell dominate the list"
That is the really interesting point about these numbers. The fact that Apple placed in this list or even had one item on the top of it is really far less impressive. Dell had a better showing because they had more top 10 models. That means that it's really Dell that's on top.
If Apple were as good as the masters of spin want you to think, then there would be more Apple on the list.
Re: Flawed but...
> It's a surprise that decent quality hardware is more reliable?
There isn't anything that Apple sells that is significantly different in this regard.
If anything, the "design" centric approach that Apple takes will compromise the engineering of the device.
Re: In news just in
> Boy you have no clue do you. OSX is far from locked,
It's not exactly locked down but it is a much more "curated" mindset. Windows users expect to do things with their tools that Mac users would try to look down on you for.
Just the gaming aspect of Windows is bound to lead to more crashes because there's a wider variety of them and they are prone to use the system harder.
Re: More Suggestion than Paul McKenna
> There is always someone who wants to knock the facts when Apple turns up trumps.
...and Acer comes in 2nd and Dell comes in 3rd.
Both of these brands are whipping boys for Apple Fanboys that like to confuse being overpriced with product quality. Those brands are not liked very much among WinDOS users either.
There's just way too much Dell on that chart for me to take it at face value. Never mind the Apple.
Re: Interesting that some still prefer inferior hardware
It's the "ecosystem". An iPad user can easily dump Apple for a smaller Android tablet. My local iFan did just that. Dumped her Apple phone in the process too.
That's why Apple finally relented on the smaller tablets. They realized that Android was alone in a segment of the market that they could no longer dismiss.
What keeps people stuck is purchases they can't transfer to another platform. This used to be software but that doesn't seem to be the big problem anymore. The real problem seems to be media content formats that used to be non-proprietary.
My 3TB Seagates seem to be fine. The era of their drives being total crap was like 3 or 4 years ago. They aren't nearly so bad now.
Perhaps the fact that Seagate's name continues to be mud has something to do with their problems.
Re: No more worrying about Graphic card memory
A co-processor is a co-processor. If it can act in place of the CPU with less nonsense then that's useful regardless of whether or not the co-processor is on the same die. This is just turning a GPU into a fancier math co-processor.
Surprised it hasn't been done yet actually.
Re: This is why he's mister "I hate everything."
Like what exactly? Buy a farm in Lancaster county? Bludgeon webmasters that gratuitously use Flash?
In an avalanche, the pebbles don't get a vote.
You can't copy a TV just by looking at it.
On the other hand, my TV is limited in time and space. To get to it, you have to commit a common law crime of violence. In the process you will have to likely destroy more property and set off a nice alarm that will let the well armed neighbors know that some shenanigan is afoot.
I can copy "your precious intellectual property" just by browsing the website where you posted it for the entire world to see.
It's more like you dragged your most precious possessions to the local flea market and posted a sign saying "free stuff, take all you want". Then you get you kickers in a twist when stuff is actually taken.
Re: I'm just waiting
> I've never really seen the point in criticising a configurable OS for it's GUI
Ubuntu isn't sold as being a kit. It's not Gentoo. If you want a kit, then you run that.
The whole selling point of Ubuntu is supposed to be that it is ready to use. It falls down somewhat in this area. That's why there are different variants and Mint. These alternatives exist because Linux users aren't just passive consumers that will take whatever crap you want to give them.
If Ubuntu isn't doing it for you then you can (and should) dump them for someone that's doing a better job.
That's how the free market works.
...late to the party.
> Presumably also allowing you to buy things from Amazon through your TV as well?
That's already covered.
Don't swim in the Kool-aid
> Because selling more smartphones and tablets...
Is an argument that only plays well to the rest of the cult. Everyone else realizes that ARM devices are quickly becoming a replay of MS-DOS and the original Mac. The platform with 10 cutthroat vendors trying to sell you variations on the same thing are finding more success catering to more people than a one hit wonder.
The iPad Mini is a great illustration of that.
Apple finally came around and decided to supply what the rest of the market was offering.
It turns out that there are a lot more "irrelevant geeks" out there than Apple or it's fanboys realize.
Re: i was a mactard
This is the flip side of "converting" people. They can "un-convert" as soon as the trendy thing no longer becomes trendy or something better comes along.
Re: Android permissions design
> - Instead of allowing apps to send messages,
You cripple the device so it can't do much of anything.
That's the real problem with modern security issues. Everything is about trojans placed in software that's supposed to be legitimate but really isn't. A lot of this is driven by various forms of the cheapskate mentality that prevents both Free Software and Shareware from flourishing.
You might want to send messages.
Although ultimately end users should be able to revoke any permission after installation. We should never be in a position to be held hostage to developers that want the moon and the stars in terms of system permissions.
I should be able to do something like I do with noscript. ANY app is banned from sending text messages unless I say otherwise. Doesn't matter what it asked for during installation.
Re: What sort of cretin buys a Amazon Swindle anyway?
>>> How do they discover this?
> When they want to lend a book to someone with a non-Amazon e-reader, or their Kindle breaks and they decide to replace it with a Kobo.
That sounds like a Kobo problem.
I can read the books "trapped in DRM hell" on any of our multiple iOS or Android devices. It's just like how I have 4 different brands of streamer device that can handle Amazon Video (or Netflix).
Some vendors like being a single device walled garden. Amazon isn't one of them.
Re: What sort of cretin buys a Amazon Swindle anyway?
Not even epub. Just the Kindle app.
The Kindle uses content that can be read on any other brand of device. Amazon is very open in this respect. They are anything but a single vendor solution (like Apple). There is simply nothing forcing you to use an Amazon branded device.
Re: Re "famous Neil Gaiman"
> If only there was some sort of "engine for searching" out there.
Isn't there a Thatcher quote about having power and being a lady? If you have to say you so, then it isn't true.
Well, you can apply that same logic to Google.
If you need Google, then he's probably a nobody or a has-been.
Re: It has been the default kernel for a decade now
If Photoshop and Office are really the best you can come up with than you have just proved the other guys' point.
Both are certainly generic for anything you use them for.
That's even assuming that you are willing to spring for a copy of Photoshop.
Re: And yet, and yet ...
> One that needs to run ERP and payroll, often integrated with Excel.
There's nothing about that that requires Windows or Excel.
...and if anything, ERP would favor large Unix boxes.
That's what the E in ERP stands for. It means "something more than a secretary's terminal".
The whole "Hotel California" aspect of Apple devices is always something that has annoyed me. You've got this device that potentially has an gi-normous amount of storage capacity in your pocket and you can't really take advantage of it because Apple tells you what you can put on and take off of your device.
A dumb storage device is so much more useful and much easier to recover from.
Bragging about how well Apple did with your broken hardware is hardly doing the job without a fuss.
Doing the job without a fuss, is well... doing the job. That means not going anywhere near support. If you are starting based on the idea that you expect the device to break then you've already lost the plot.
Bragging about better support just highlights how bad the product is.
I dumped my iPhone because it failed to do simple things I would expect out of a 1999 Nokia flip phone.
Re: Atom, saviour of Intel.
Wasn't there just another article a couple days ago about how Win8 is killing PC sales and how everyone's sales are in the crapper?
Vendors pushing stuff and vendors selling stuff are two entirely different things.
Of course the industry doesn't want netbooks or nettops. Why let you buy suitable kit for $300 when they can sell you something for $600 or $1200?
Stupid design, different logo.
I wouldn't buy the Dell branded version of this thing for the same reason that I wouldn't buy the Apple branded version of this thing. A Unix box without a wired ethernet port? Really?
This was never a Unix developer's mobile workstation.
A half-hearted and lackluster attempt all around from the beginning.
How about just marking the penguin friendly configurations? Better yet, just build a website with decent search features so we can sort this stuff out for ourselves.
> Did you not read the list of normal things that just do not work on this Linux box? That is why people don't buy Linux. Instead they buy Windows because it works better.
No. That's why people shouldn't buy Dell.
It's their job to set this stuff up right. It's their job to make sure that their choices actually work.
This nonsense makes me glad that I didn't buy a Dell X51 for my last HTPC despite the fact that I was seriously considering it. It's far better to support a real Linux vendor.
> Nvidia? The worst and least reliable crap ever.
...a weak attempt at disparaging the best kit and drivers out there.
Nvidia is what you install when you don't want to suffer with the onboard shovelware anymore.
A cheap trailing edge nv card can turn a relic into a proper game machine. Works well for Linux or Windows.
The benefits to streaming
Considering how much of a gap there is between streaming and BluRay, a mere 50% improvement in bandwidth may not be good enough. If you are the sort to opt for the spinny disk instead, it's probably not going to be a worthwhile improvement.
(too dang long)/2 is probably still (too dang long).
Re: Math problems
> Who outside of a movie theater even WANTS 2k or 4k video
I have my own.
The requirements aren't really even that cumbersome. Get yourself a decent sized room with squared off walls and you're half way there. It doesn't even need to be a dedicated space.
The necessary gear is cheap and getting cheaper.
Google doesn't prevent you from removing apps, your phone carrier does. If you got some crappy bundle ware on your phone, chances are that it's not Google's fault at all.
The whole "app store" thing makes it an entirely different world between now and the 90s. So does pervasive and easy networking. Replacing default apps on any OS with a modern package manager is not quite the same thing anymore.
Things that are intolerable from anyone but the monopoly.
> 10000K is the sum required to pay off all of your workers because you couldn't get things running correctly.
If you're workers are that stupid, they are already costing you that kind of money.
It's like the "Linux migration problem". Just wait and Microsoft will create one of it's own for you. (Win8/Vista/Ribbon)
Re: Are these the same people...
Sure. It's a toy.
Toys don't necessarily displace tools. They're certainly not going to displace tools for those that actually need something more than a toy.
Jobs even made his little truck analogy. Except plenty of people drive trucks and find them indispensable.
PCs have become durable goods.
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