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Re: Not quite.
> Its not a harddisk in the internet, more like a sync service between different devices.
No. It's more like a local NAS that doesn't use the fast local network but instead uses the slow expensive internet. There should be a beefier version of the AppleTV that manages this sort of thing for you and avoids using the most expensive storage and transport options available.
The cry of the fanboy
> IT'S NOT AIMED AT YOU! It's for the casual user
A 2 hour high res video in a modern format is 25G. That is a short vacation video.
Are you trying to tell us that "only geeks" take vacation videos?
"Normal people" have been making their own videos since the 60s.
Can't work yet but...
I agree with your general point but not necessarily the details. Network access of storage works fine on a nice fast wired local network. Once you get beyond that it falls apart. A NAS transfer can easily outrun a USB transfer. However, a WAN transfer is going to be far worse than either of those.
The network is the problem but networking in general is not the problem.
The world is not flat enough for the Cloud to work yet. If it were, then you could just have your own Cloud at home.
Not really... not really.
You're numbers are bizarre.
Consumer wired networking is 1000mb/s. Even cheap crappy systems have GigE now and the associated switch gear is cheap.
A wired NAS can easily do 80MB/sec or more.
Wireless in general is a big problem. It's a mess in general. Slow. Insecure. Difficult to deal with.
Once you get into this "Cloud" thing forget about it. Minutes quickly turn into hours or even days.
If it's my DVD then it's my personal property, period.
That said. It's plenty easy to fill up hard drives with your own still photos and high res video.
They sell consumer cameras that record in the same format that BluRay uses. So the idea that an individual can't "legally" have hundreds of Gigs or even Terabytes of storage is simply bogus.
Even my "small personal media files" will choke a cablemodem or 3G connection. Cloud storage is just not cost effective and the network is crap. There's a middle man everywhere trying to extract money from you like some sort of bridge troll.
iCloud is a solution for lame devices that should be less lame.
Racing the turtles...
> Most ADSL connections, 8Mbits/second download, 1MBit/s upload. Sometimes.
> Anyone fancy syncing their photo collection at those sorts of speeds?
I was playing around with Amazon's service. I have a cable modem service that's very assymetrical and I spend a little more than a day pushing my personal music files up to Amazon. My collection is not that big, only about 16G.
In the same amount of time, I can push about 1.5TB around my local network.
Thriving tape industry?
When was there ever really a thriving desktop tape industry?
Tape has always been somewhat like SCSI on the desktop. It's a technology that tends to be inherently expensive for the really robust gear. Being cheap with tape really doesn't work out well in the long run. Cheap tape tends to fail and is not really re-usable. Cheap tape also tends to be low capacity, too low capacity to be really useful. Tape in general is kind of awkward and always has been. It's always been better if you had some sort of jukebox or robot.
In short, it's a technology not well suited to consumer use. Short of needing to use it for a Vic-20, it has always been kind of awkward in the consumer space.
Tape continues to do what it has always does, kind of like mainframes.
This sounds like something that might make sense someday but doesn't really make that much sense now that insufficient infastructure is present now. We still have a lot of people that have poor Internet connectivity and/or draconian data caps.
Any solution that fixates on some remote server somewhere is fundementally out of step with current technological limitations. The cloud needs to be coralled in for now. Some day, it might work to have all of your eggs in Apple's basket on the other side of the world (or not). However, for now stuff needs to be close at hand because data's too big and network pipes are too small and expensive.
The "cloud" needs to be an appliance that sits in your own home.
Spam better controlled by proprietary protocols? Spam is a proprietary beast. It is likely to be aggravated by proprietary protocols. At least open protocols allow for a diverse ecosystem of tools that can be employed to address particular user requirements.
I dumped the iPhone specifically because of it's closed SMS client. It wasn't up to snuff and they weren't willing to allow 3rd party addons to help make it up to snuff. It was open data but their approach to the problem was very proprietary.
A case of wishful thinking...
I think it's just a case of wishful thinking. There are seeming a large and diverse group of people that want netbooks to fail and for them to be wiped away by the iPad or other tablets. It seems like they keep on repeating this idea in the hope that if they repeat it enough that it will actually come true.
It's all about the app....
It's all about the Apps, and this is where I think the original rant was totally off base. He seemed to be thinking that dressing up the Debian package manager would magically attract developers as if he were drawing the wrong lessons from Apple's recent successes. Apps require developers and courting developers and supporting developers. Dressing up your package manager isn't going to make much difference. You've got to court the developers or otherwise encourage them to build for your platform.
Apple has some very well established developer networks. So does Microsoft. It's not clear that Canonical has ever tried to replicate this in any meaningful way.
...as far as elgato goes.
EyeTV? Are you kidding?
This is the best example of trying to shoehorn something onto a tablet that clearly doesn't belong there. This is something that really belongs on a proper TV. Attempting to do this on a tablet actually leads to an inferior experience in all respects.
The fact that Elgato has to go out of it's way to accomodate the iPad also handily demonstrates the inherent limitations of the iPad itself. It simply doesn't have the mojo to cope with real Elgato recordings. Elgato has had to implement a bit of a hack just to make EyeTV on the iPad even work.
Cart before the horse.
> 4Gb and no cd/dvd? WTF.
You mention the "dark and mysterious path" of Linux.
If I were taking a Debian approach to this problem I might create a local package repository on one machine and point the rest of them to that "cache" rather than having each of them suck down 4G in network bandwidth.
I've always found it somewhat bogus that MacOS can't do online updates like pretty much any other Unix.
I recently bought that disk. Ripped it too. Plays quite well on my Linux boxes. Now I have this little digital copy certificate so I decided "what the h*ll, lets try this out". So I went rummaging around for these things. Turns out I have 3 of them. I redeemed the first 2 and got stuck with the last one.
So much for that "digital copy" thing. Gotta wonder if Ultra-Violent will have the same issues.
...wonder how that 1.75G digital copy will stack up to the real thing weighing in at 27G.
Disney an "enlightened" DVD distributor. They are they reason I started ripping all of my DVDs. Their alleged no-ad approach to DVD menus was anything but. Just about any generic non-blockbuster movie is a lot more "enlightened" in this respect.
Disney is not "enlightened". They practice artificial scarcity with their whole "vaulting" thing and are always screwing around with the formats on their DVDs and adding out-of-spec forms of copy protection.
An iTunes download is just more DRM forcing me to deal with a vendor I don't want any part of.
No BD on Linux.
...so who uses physical media any more anyways?
I haven't played physical media directly in years.
It started with CDs and then moved to DVDs and later to BDs.
BDs play great on ANY platform once you get rid of the DRM.
Although you are correct. Most people "simply won't bother" and they will get their PC-ready copy from The Pirate Bay rather than going to the trouble of making their own.
ANY use of digital media requires multiple copies.
That's just the way it is.
Trying to criminalize incidental copies in such an environment is absurd.
As long as I am not a publisher, Disney should have no ability to interfere with my rights with respect to my own personal property (including copies of something from Disney).
Media is useful for as long as it is functional. Even after that, it's a useful token of ownership that does not depend on any overly centralized service that may suddenly go offline.
Physical media also eclipses e-media in terms of what's available for purchase. Some stuff just isn't available in any e-format anywhere. It's hard to buy something that doesn't exist.
I can liberate stuff now or later and strip any DRM off of it and have no limitations or be under the watchful eye of some digital Big Brother gatekeeper.
Taking off the training wheels...
A soft reset would be very much like the soft reset I did to adjust my iPhone any time I ran my shell script to clear out all of the SMS messages.
Something that flushes apps and app triggered services would be a hand thing. Probably already even exists in the market.
Taking off the training wheels...
> The multi-user systems of the 70s and 80s had less powerful hardware than the average smartphone of today.
Yes and they also had things like top and ps and KILL.
Where's option C?
> Team A - you get excel
> Team B - you get to start the tendering process with CapGemini, Lockheed,
Where's option C?
Use some ready made application fit for your requirements. Are you trying
to tell me that in 30+ years of personal and business computing that no one
else has never had this problem and that no one else has ever built a product
to address this need?
What happened to all of that MS-DOS monopoly mojo?
Where's my ready made Win32 app?
Why does it have to be created from scratch? Don't need the monopoly for that.
Big bother? Not really.
A college kid could knockout a basic SQL based solution over a weekend.
When you are talking about people "adult" enough to be managing databases, the 'horrible complexity' of real database solutions is really not that much of a problem. Like anything else in tech, you need to understand things on a deeper level than just the GUI.
Someone else mentioned disaster recovery. This is a fine example of the "deeper understanding" problem.
Competent people really should not be afraid of something that doesn't come from Microsoft.
How do you get the horse into town?
> switching from one account to another is too much to bother.
There is your Trojan attack vector right there... the "can't be bothered" sort of user.
Yeah. Hitting that logout button and entering your own password is such a bother.
With that kind of attitude it's little wonder that so many problems happen in computing and even in other areas. Just apply that mindset to driving. I am sure all of you can think of suitable examples.
Morality is irrelevant given sufficient law.
Morality is irrelevant given sufficient law. The Law exists specifically because you can't trust individuals to live together in peace with each other. SOME ONE will try to take advantage of everyone else. This is where governments and laws come in. They arbitrate conflicting individual interests.
For lack of a better term, people are evil. This evil is mitigated by law, order and contracts.
Free Software is nothing more than a framework to assure that everyone "plays nice" with one another. It imposes it's own "sufficient law" through contract and license law. A good license ensures that everyone plays by the ground rules that the original talent specify. If someone thinks that they can take advantage of everyone else, then the apparatus of the state can come into play.
As far as "morality" goes. The same "morality" applies to all authors regardless of how they choose to license their work.
> How many of the non-Apple kit will be still usable in 4 or 5 years time?
Been there. Done that.
Been on both sides.
My Apple kit was the stuff that didn't stand the test of time, not my PCs.
I don't fancy myself a bazaar merchant. I don't expect my machine to be obsolete quickly. So resale doesn't really mean diddly-do to me. The whole "longevity/resale" argument is an obvious contradiction. Either you want stuff to last or not.
Try finding yourself a Linux vendor like System 76 or ZaReason.
Either one of those has some very respectable desktop replacement laptops.
Quack! What's for dinner....
> It all comes down to can you look the nice fluffy lamb in that face and takes it's life,
Not sure about Mary's lamb but I have no problem with poultry or rabbits. I see ducks and rabbit and I think "dinner" not "pet". If the meat yield on the yard rabbits weren't so small, I might be inclined to have one of them for dinner.
> Why restrict it to meet? Why not let him forage & cut all his veg too?
Actually, from a general awareness perspective it is a very good idea to make and plant your own things even if you don't intend to do it all the time. You get to understand what stuff is supposed to look like and taste like. You become aware of what food is actually supposed to be like versus the cost-cut overly-industrialized long-shelf-life versions of stuff.
Sara Lee? Puleeeze. I make much better myself.
Farmville: Not just for web browsers anymore.
> Exactly. #
>> We're not designed.
A goat or a cow or even a pig can live off of things we cannot.
If your back garden is big enough, it's more than enough to sustain a cow. You can't say the same for yourself.
If you engage in clueless vegetarianism, you will hurt yourself.
The Flanders Effect
> How about avoiding going to iffy websites and clicking on banners without thinking?!
How about actually enforcing the bright line between data and applications.
No user should ever need to fear data. However, in the modern "the user is too stupid to be bothered" culture, things are automated in a foolish way that leads to all of the virus shenanigans you see on Windows.
If Apple has followed Microsoft's lead in this regard then shame on them.
Being like a MacBook Air
Being like a MacBook Air is basically taking the original netbooks and dressing them up a little bit and putting a decent GPU in them. Most of what makes the Apple product "distinctive" is entirely superficial.
...seems to work well enough for them both.
Being reactionary and derivative is how Microsoft and Dell have always been. It has served them well in the past and there's no reason it can't continue to serve them well. Microsoft has an entrenched monopoly that will take a long time to counteract. As long as that dominance remains, then Dell will always have a big part in it. Apple certainly isn't an immediate threat to either.
Neither company has ever been particularly good. That didn't interfere with their success in the past.
Apple is no BMW
Apple is no BMW.
It's more like Mercury. That's a Ford with some extra superficial bits.
It's just another Turing Machine. Really...
> The Personal Computer was never meant to be a business computer, it was designed to be
You're kidding right?
The PC was specifically designed as a business machine. It was designed as a business machine to keep the up and coming home computer company at the time from invading IBM's turf.
The PC was designed by IBM to sell to businesses so they wouldn't be tempted by the likes of Apple.
Don't try to BS those of us that were actually there.
> I think you need to go back and use some of the old alternatives to IE.
I did at the time.
I had absolutely no desire to flee to the allegedly "superior" IE.
Opera was fast and stable by comparison. IE was not.
No. It was DOS vs. MacOS.
> Windows success in the home is the primary reason it is a success at the office.
What? Were you just born yesterday?
DOS was a success in the office before Windows even existed.
The dominance of Windows is an extension of the dominance of MS-DOS in the workplace, not the other way around.
All about cats... with a little fiber.
You have to keep in mind that a lot of your total cost is going to be driven by labor and possibly repairs to walls that have to be destroyed rather than the cost of the cable itself. I opted for a bundled cable myself when I had my house wired during construction. The cable bundle was mainly an accounting gimmick so that I could get multiple cables dropped for one price rather than 2x or 5x.
At the time when I was shopping for cable, the bundle with the fiber was nearly the same as the one without. So now I have a fiber wired house. Not really sure yet what to do with it though.
Cat6 might have been an improvement but I'm not sold on the idea.
Another thing about the "structured cabling" is that it kind of serves as a bit of mass protection (like a motorcycle group on the highway) that resists bad handling. It simply won't bend easily in ways that are contrary to how fiber and network cat5 should be handled.
Handy too... I still get shivers any time I recall what they do to the poor cat5 they put in for phones. Ugly. Scary. Ugly. Ugly.
The "whatever" mentality.
The problem with conflating a Trojan with a self perpetuating virus is the whole "permission" thing. This brings up a separate issue. It's an issue of trust. The problem with any program that runs with your UID is the fact that it can DESTROY ALL OF YOUR DATA. It does not have to be a virus to be dangerous.
The coder could be merely incompetent.
This is why real operating systems don't give you free run of the entire system.
You don't have to be malicious. You could just be stupid.
You could execute "rm -rf $HOME" manually or run some app that does the same thing.
To be fair...
The car audio connection should be a standard input and you should be able to connect the iPod to your computer in a standard way too.
Real standards versus the Apple version of that idea.
He didn't seem to be saying that he "can't" use iTunes but rather than he would rather not.
I can't say I disagree with him.
MacOS is about as much Unix as Windows is.
Nothing significant that the user actually comes into contact is Unix. No Unix ideas or approaches are exposed to the end user. Anything that the common novice sees, will likely ever be exposed to,
or view as a valuable aspect of the platform is strictly proprietary Apple stuff.
Trying to call MacOS a Unix is a classic case of Apple fanboys badly misunderstanding technical details.
I have a radical suggestion.
How about you allow the advancing technology to make your product more useful?
I buy more DVDs because my iTunes-esque personally hacked setup makes the content more useful because I can do interesting things with it. Most people won't bother because the industry likes to put up roadblocks against this sort of thing. They are worried about the thieves that they are forgetting about the customer.
Of course I am a vulture though. Amazon allows me to very easily and brutally price shop the stuff I do buy. I can exploit Amazon to show me when stuff is on deep discount and bide my time. Or I can just wait for the long tail to inevitably deposit things into the Walmart/Tesco bargain bin. For most stuff I am patient.
The glut of content available for purchase suppresses prices and makes it easier to be a cheap b*stard.
Only BBC stuff seems to be immune to this... '-p
Well, if you can't give the public something other than the MP3 then you've got a basic business problem regardless of what your particular philosophy on music is. Even before the idea of selling copies of the music became passe, the biggest cash cow for a musician was actually playing in front of an audience.
If you can't offer that, then you are immediately at a disadvantage regardless of what era of the music business you happen to find yourself in.
Yes such "musicians" are pale imitations. They get to suffer for it like any other mediocre player in the market.
> 1. Found exceptional new talent.
Yes. Like Warrant, Cindrella, Nitro and Pretty Boy Floyd.
With gatekeepers like that, we're probably better off the the Vandals.
> Resolution Magazine (pro-audio and studio tech) recently ran a feature that illustrated how sales of prime industry production software *died* as soon as it was ripped off and torrented.
You make it sound like piracy is a new thing or something. It isn't even "apps" have been pirated for as long as there have been personal computers (longer probably). The idea that any form of piracy caused the "death" of some app is just lame whiners trying to make excuses for some other failure of their own.
"production" software is pirated a whole lot less for the simple reason that the people who would be doing the pirating are very visible and have something to lose. The UK edition of the SBA could come knocking.
Things like market saturation and cheaper competitors are a more likely culprit.
...don't have to pirate Beatles files from iTunes if you already own CDs or tapes or the original vinyl.
Apple's approach is pre-industrial.
> Seriously, how many of you know what components are inside a microwave and how they interact
That's great. You could call the microwave the Macintosh of the cooking world. It is a device that seems to offer greater ease and efficiency but it's really much more of a bother because of a near total lack of standardization. Every microwave is different. You can't just shove something in and forget about it like a proper oven. You have to keep futzing with it and baby sit it much like a poorly designed GUI.
This willful ignorance approach actually makes a microwave more bother to deal with than a stove, oven, grill or even an open fire. Even for foods specifically designed to be cooked in a microwave, you can't trust in a standard simple recipe. You have to baby sit the thing to make sure you don't end up with bits still frozen and other bits carmelized.
Industrial standardization doesn't just benefit the tinkerer. It benefits everyone. Everyone uses stuff that's been put together and sooner or later people might need something serviced. Making the front or back end of things more difficult really doesn't help anything.
No. An Atari 800 is not "stylish".
> The iMac has a thunderbolt port and firewire
Been there. Done that. Tried that for a dying Mini that violated the cultural mythology that surrounds Apple and the quality level of it's products.
NOT having something that is not spread across the whole table in a bunch of discrete little boxes with a bunch of cables and possibly walwarts to match is actually one of the nice things about the whole IBM Clone approach. Being able to change my own hard drive or RAM on a PC laptop is not something that really requires any compromises for the extra maintainability or cost effectiveness I get out of it.
Apple fanboys have low expecations. Really they do. Then they make excuses when people with more taste state the obvious and inevitable.
The nice thing about PCs is they are flexible enough that you can create something better. (even better than what's typical for WinDOS or Macs)
Queue the usual fanboy excuses...
You don't have to give the end user the big middle finger in order to make it pretty or quiet.
PC laptop makers have been doing this for years. It simply requires acknowledging the fact that a user might have misjudged what they initially needed and don't want to toss an entire rather expensive machine into a landfill just because it is a little bit out of spec.
Of course the cult of willful ignorance will lead to people not having enough taste to realize they are eating dirt and can have something better.
Creating a machine that can't be maintained is just greed and engineering laziness on Apple's part. If they were really all that the fanboys claim, then they could create upgradeable gear without compromising any of the "finer points".
Storage and memory are 2 things that are constantly getting bigger and cheaper and are designed specifically to be easy to change.
Longevity increases the likelihood for a needed upgrade.
> With a PC you will have to upgrade the hard drive.
No you don't. You can use any number of external options including the same sort of "Time Capsule" approach. PCs have been able to do this since the pre-Next days.
Although for a single machine n00b household, all of that stuff is kind of stupid and ultimately sub-optimal for the class of user that Apple is supposed to cater to.
If you bought a machine 8x more than it needs to be, then it better last a long time.
If you are expecting to keep the thing longer than a PC is supposed to be able to last, then of course it should be upgradeable so that you can accommodate future needs. This should be obvious even if you don't consider the fact that Macs have always been more anemic in what they actually include in this regard (RAM & disk).
Right direction, really bad execution...
I think the ad had a useful point. However, it kind of ran off the rails. The whole "store in your house" concept is just wrongful and entirely misses the point. They should have integrated "interesting new products" into her existing life rather than hijacking it. The ad should have been about how the market is more interesting these days and how new products could have some place in the jaded consumer's home.
The whole touch screen HTPC thing had a great deal of potential but was mostly squandered.
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