1955 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Garage band and iMovie? Are you on crack.
No. The "flagship apps" for an alternate tablet don't have to be anything like that.
Their lock on smaller tablets (the ones called phones) are slipping. It's only a matter of time before that erodes their mindshare for larger tablets.
> He is not saying the PC is dead, he says that
> "while PCs will continue to be much-used
> devices, they’re no longer at the leading edge
> of computing"
That's even funnier and more pathetic.
Someone who does or has worked for IBM should really know better.
Looking good while completely missing the point.
> Dean's spot on. Hardware is essentially a solved
> problem compared to UI. That so many geeks think
> otherwise is the reason UI is so crap still.
The main reason I find myself pulling out the bash shell is the fact that most people who fancy themselves HID acolytes managed to drop the ball when making their GUIs.
People think that a few pretty pictures and an appearance that doesn't scare away people is good enough. It isn't. It's thoughtless in a subtle sort of way. You may have to be a "geek" to understand what's broken.
...a tad premature
Anything that can fully replace the PC will look an awful lot like one.
Although the really bit problem with this declaration is the fact that most Post PC devices are still entirely dependent on conventional old school PCs. Either they are tethered to a real PC or they need the computing power of a real PC to help deal with certain limitations.
It doesn't look like the PC is going anywhere any time soon. It still needs to linger in order to make things like Apple and Android tablets useful.
It's not all point and click...
This "argument" all boils down to one important question. Is everything you do all just "point and click". If so then you might be suitably serviced by a tablet. Otherwise not. That is what a tablet is. It's essentially a device limited to a mouse only. It's not something that looks like a mouse so it it doesn't get recognized as such. However, that's what it really is.
If all you need is a mouse, that's fine. A lot of people need more flexibility and efficiency in their input devices.
This even includes people interfacing with databases.
It's almost like a reprise of the GUI vs. CLI argument.
Who doesn't like slabs?
People responding in the web forums. That's who.
No. The PC isn't outdated. The Turing Machine has just found a few new input methods that are allowing them to slither better into some new niches. Although they have been actually doing this for awhile already. You probably just didn't notice. You needed Apple to make it obvious for you.
It's like saying birds are going to wipe out all animals that still wander around on legs.
Problems with reality.
> seems to be a disconnect between real life and
> sci-fi. Dr Who, Minority Report and Avatar did not
> actually happen - they are fiction.
So Apple has a device like this today?
I think it's you that doesn't quite grasp the reality of the situation here.
In truth, Apple's patent is no less of a fantasy than my childhood daydreams. The difference is that Apple will get to shake down the guys that actually make this product real.
OS centric drives...
OS centric drives simply are not future proof. Anything that forgoes the obvious standard USB driver for something more bothersome is not only locking out current alternatives. It's also going to create extra support headaches in the here and now as well as a whole bunch in the future as tech moves on.
If you have to load a driver to use the disk then it's a big fat FAIL.
...missing the point.
This is not supposed to be a single box solution.
> The software was clunky
This is something that you use together with suitable 3rd party software just like you would any other video device or card. Whining that this thing doesn't come with it's own software is much like whining that a GPU doesn't come with it's own games.
The software that comes with this thing is really just to let you make sure the card is working before you try and integrate it with something else.
Get a better reviewer.
This is a device for building your own PVR using software like Sage, or MCE, or MythTV.
It seems to be pretty much a card version of the Hauppage 1212 which has been very handy for HD cable recording on this side of the pond. Due to practical limitations, it needs to exploit the "analog hole".
Anything that works with an HDMI input is going to be an entirely different kettle of fish.
HDMI has the tandem problems of being encrypted and uncompressed. You would probably not want the raw output from HDMI. Although there are such cards target to the video professional.
3rd party software will do most of the interesting stuff. What you get with the card is just enough to make sure it's working.
So an article of this kind should include how the card works with some bit of PVR software of the reviewer's choosing. MCE would be an obvious choice. I favor MythTV of course.
Struggling for content?
> If Google are struggling with Android 3 for content
As far as "content" goes, an Android device is very accomodating. I might not be able to buy some DRM laden movie with extra vendor lock included from Google but then I don't really need to. Android devices will more easily accomodate whatever I might have.
Allegedly poor Android phones...
I find the interfaces and build quality of my Android phone to be quite acceptable and a nice change of pace from my previous Apple device. It's a device that I can actually use for work without fear that it will be overwhelmed by it's maker actually considering that someone might do something strange and actually USE IT.
As long as Apple doesn't forcibly take my choices away, their users can engage in as much mental masturbation as they like.
What happened to the BMW?
> Can you please also list the hardware issues
> that are plaguing your users that are not the
> same hardware issues that would affect any
> make of computer.
What happened to all of the "Macs are BMWs" nonsense?
So suddenly because people come out of the woodwork with their Mac horror stories, you're going to pretend that this somehow hasn't been a standard Apple marketing point for the last 20 years? If a Mac is little more than a Chevy with a prettier exterior (as some of us say) then what's the point really?
In my own personal experience, Apple rates at the bottom for reliability of brand name ready made PCs. The way they build their boxes probably doesn't help. They're probably very prone to cooking themselves.
RFID cards run amok...
....it sounds like wallets need to be turned into Farraday cages.
Come on Think Geek.
Next by next April you should have one as a gag, and have it as a shipping product by next June.
MacOS and Unix collide
The windowing model on MacOS collides with the concept of virtual desktops and makes them less useful. You can't split windows across multiple desktops.
There is nothing "pure unix" about MacOS.
The only reason for anyone to bother with MacOS is where it deviates quite distinctly from every other Unix out there in a highly proprietary manner. Otherwise, you could just run a real BSD.
It's much like calling Windows "a real Unix" just because you can run cygwin on it.
> Basic rule is, there is an actual job/profession that is called user interface/interaction design
...and these people get it wrong so consistently then it would be insane to keep on holding them up as people to pay any attention to.
The problem here is when "professionals" try second guess the users rather than actually listen to them.
It sounds like the real issue here is accepting end user feedback and acting on it. That's more of a Quality Assurance thing then any sort of "design" thing.
You don't have to be Physics chair at Oxford to realize that apples fall out of trees.
You've got things backwards. "Designers" don't tell users what to do. Users tell "designers" what to do.
Your brand of nonsense is why corporations can spend a King's ransom on a new project and it will be perfectly useless as no one bothered to actually ever listen to the users.
Yeah. Normal people...
Like fashionistas such as yourself have any idea about what "normal people" want or need.
Apple fanboys and HID posers are no closer to the average user than "geeks".
Android has shortcuts too...
The problem with pegging these new UIs as "phone interfaces" is the fact that not even all phone interfaces are the same. Android allows for "shortcuts". So it's not just a "phone UI", it's an Apple infatuated one.
Non-Apple users have bought into all of the hype and nonsense and have started blindly following Apple's lead without actually using this stuff first to see if any of it really makes any sense.
A lot of it doesn't.
The blind accolades for Apple need to end.
Lemmings all jumping the shark...
Yeah, but what happens when everyone is jumping off the same cliff?
What do you do then?
You are left with few choices anymore except old versions that have been abandoned in favor of the new insanity.
Of course that leaves the new users in a bit of a pickle then because they aren't familiar with all of the old standbys like dfm or windowmaker and have to start sorting out this crap from scratch.
Macs? Yeah, I have a couple.
> What's more, it is trivial to configure each application
> to start in a different virtual screen to reduce the
> overlapping clutter of all applications on one desktop.
No. We've been there and done that and we're not impressed.
It's not enough to make it easy to merely jail your apps onto one desktop. You also need to be able to easily move them around. You also need to be able to have windows from the same app spread out across different desktops. Don't need to "configure" anything.
That's the 1994 level of X functionality.
MacOS still isn't there yet and has a really crappy switcher.
No backstabbing at Buzzards Nest
No. What Apple is pulling is a bit different. CD and DVD stores may be struggling these days but they still can buy product wholesale. They don't have to buy product at the same price that Apple gets to sell it on the iTunes store.
That's a considerable difference and not something to be casually glossed over.
Amazon does well as a web vendor either way. Spinny disks aren't really out of style quite yet.
...I am surprised that the silly fanboy didn't try to frame the act of subsidizing the sale of an Android phone as some sort of grave patent infringement. It would go better with the rest of the days nonsense.
Android phones are sold the way any other phones are including Apple and Nokia.
City Slickers and whatnot.
> When people on that benighted continent can display real guns,
You know, we have not yet quite eradicated all of the non-human animal species from the rest of this planet. You clueless city folk should contemplate that before you start whining about how well armed other parts of the planet are.
Boats straight to London.
This isn't much different than the situation you must have now. Electronics have to get off the boat sometime. Chances are that they are unloaded on the coast and take the rest of their journey by rail or by truck.
Certainly they've solved this problem by now as there are plenty of stores that aren't near the ocean.
Hardly a better mousetrap.
A Roku is cheap but remarkably limited.
Of course many people will flock to the cheapest option available regardless of quality or suitability.
The real problem with building a better mousetrap is that most people won't want to pay for it. It doesn't matter how good it is.
I dunno. Stores that sell PCs in general seem to have a bit less focus. The old school computer store is nowhere to be seen anymore. Mom and Pop speciality shops are getting harder to find. Most stores that do sell PCs anymore are more general purpose stores where PCs can kind of get lost in the corner somewhere.
A more specialized setup might not be such a bad idea actually. Hard to say if it would work out for PCs though with a similar setup to the Apple store since PCs have thinner margins.
The margins on Apple kit can absorb the absurd rents you pay in some malls.
Although such a concept might already be past it's time...
Silly, outdated, font fixations.
> I think you need your eyes checked, IE9 is crisp and clear on all my machines...
No. IE is simply not all that. It never was.
Steps back in amazement...
...as some poster makes a bunch of grand pronouncements without actually backing them up with any meaningful amount of detail.
...actually I wasn't really that amazed.
Microsoft is the great sand bagger.
> support for SSDs, better multi-threading support
Are you kidding? I was using both of these in 2001.
Why is Microsoft so g*d d*mned primitive that basic features that have been in other operating systems since the 90s are treated like some great new ephiphany?
Microsoft loves to hold back features so that you have to buy the next OS in order to get them.
Get "portable apps"
> Dear IT guys won't let me install a better viewer
Find a suitable app that doesn't require "installation". There are apps that have been specifically modified to get around this exact problem here.
Why not Win 3.1 then?
Windows 3.1 is a DOS shell.
XP is a version of NT.
Windows 7 is like BluRay. It's a product that represents a much smaller relative improvement than it's predecessor does. XP was the first consumer version of NT. The difference between it and it's predecessor was much more meaningful. (much like DVD)
It's not about naievely whining about age. It's about actually bothering to consider the characteristics of the products in question.
Plus, XP is really only as old as it's last service pack.
No less irrational than science in general
> Plain irrational - so if sometime in the future Apple came out with the device that best met your needs, was the right price and did exactly what you wanted you would NOT buy it 'just' because it was sold by Apple.
If you are a power user, there is really little chance of that ever happening.
Apple is Apple. They have been this way for over 20 years and if anything they are only getting WORSE rather than better. They're not very open. They don't play well with other people's data. They don't pay much attention to less casual users of any kind.
That is why I dumped my iPhone. It was a poor choice for non-trivial use of basic phone features. Trivial phone use cases were ignored and suitable mods were explicitly forbidden.
I have had apps mysteriously disappear from iDevices.
If you aren't in full control of the device, you aren't in full control of it. That's all there is to it. It doesn't matter who the Robber Baron in question is. It's a problem across the board.
It's a shame that most people are more like the audience from the 1984 commercial rather than the girl with the hammer.
The uber system
Considering that a lot of this problem stems from trying to take a problem that might have in other days been created as a more distributed system, sharding as a general approach may not be such a bad idea. You are trying to store the entire world in a relational database when degrees of separation limit relationships.
On the other hand, you have Zynga silliness that drives random connections between people across the planet. If the likes of Farmville didn't encourage everyone to have 10x the number of random "game friends" as real friends, the problem might be more manageable.
USB was in the dulldrums for a very long time.
USB was "dead" for a very long time even after Apple's alleged "intervention".
It was "dead" because it was new technology and it was trying to displace a lot of old technology.
It took awhile for USB vendors to figure out what to do with it and it also took a long time for related technologies to progress. In a lot of ways, many people haven't even gotten past those original basics. This is especially true of blithering Apple fanboys that try to give Apple Corp too much credit for USB.
USB didn't really take off until it was well supported by Windows.
All Apple's forcing the matter did was to make USB like ADB which is not saying much really.
If nothing succeeds like success, then Apple shouldn't need to bother with litigation.
They should just allow their product and their marketing team compete in the free market and let the customer decide what is really "superior".
The fact that they want to take choice away from us only shows us a fundemental lack of confidence in their own product.
> Regardless of who 'helped design' USB can you name a mainstream manufacturer who was installing USB as standard on their shipping products before Apple launched the iMac? Go on - name one.
Intel was bundling USB ports on motherboards before fanboys thanked St. Steve for giving them no option except for a technology that had not fully matured yet. SCSI and ADB were perfectly fine. There was really no reason to discard them and force the issue.
Fanboys love to conflate "strip everything else out" with "being the first to offer".
The AIX admin from the alternate universe.
I wish AIX was like this. Really I do. That would mean that the AIX machines that I have been forced to use in the past would have been much more robust than they turned out in practice. Your description of AIX sounds like something out of an IBM ad rather than actual field experience.
The problem with "UNIX" is primarily that it is expensive and largely uneccessary.
The added expense of the hardware you're describing (above and beyond the mere garden variety Unix RISC servers) is why clustering has become popular in certain applications in recent years.
Linux, Sun & Oracle
Sun was the reference platform for Oracle for the longest time. Then it became Linux. The idea that you can't run your "mission critical" database on Linux is silly. So is the idea that corporations generally don't do this. It's the top Oracle platform for crying out loud.
Linux isn't just for appliances and hasn't been for quite a long time now.
Although companies are adverse to change. This is especially true of large companies. Although even these are and have been moving to Linux for "real work". The whole shenanigan with Sun and Oracle has probably even accelerated this. Then there's this whole nonsense with Itanium.
Silly fanboy excuses.
Yes. For many things I can and do notice the difference in network speed.
It's really easy to do if you bother to push the technology and try to get the most out of it.
Wireless is slow, unreliable, and insecure. With the exception of a marginal bit of convenience, it is clearly inferior to wired networking in every way.
Not everyone has a 80s approach to computing.
When would you not take advantage of the better option?
> How often do people even use Ethernet these days anyway?
When ever it's available.
If your device is not lame and intentionally crippled, why not take advantage of a Gigabit connection? You would have to be some sort of stupid fundie type person not to.
Using the best technology available and the highest quality components. Imagine that?
Gold plated latinum cables
Yeah, thunderbolt sounds impressive and all except for the $50 cables.
The right price...
At least as far as movies go, the prices continue to decline. BluRay disks can now be found in the same $5 bargain bins that have been full of DVDs for years.
> Yes, DRM is evil and I avoid it like the plague. The alternative
...is the last physical media format. It is both digital while being DRM free.
It also includes a physical token to establish and transfer ownership rights.
Vast majority of developers...
There is nvidia specific kit in the highend desktop computation market. These are expensive machines with multiple special purpose GPU cards. They utilize a proprietary nvidia API. However they are by no means general purpose machines. They are very specialized, much like a computing cluster.
This is a small niche. Seems to do well for particular problems. Not at all general purpose.
AMD seems to be trying to take that approach onto the desktop. Dunno if will really matter there though. Between Doom and XBMC, most people seem to be pretty well set with the current kit.
As long as it decodes blurays and flash video, I couldn't give a toss.
Just get out the lab goggles, some cleaning gloves, and a meat cleaver.
As someone else said... go "lord of the flies" on these things.
It's as if the authorities don't realize that there are plenty of household chemicals that can irritate your skin or blind you if you're not careful.
Playing the race card
> Would it be ok to charge black people more for car insurance because they were statistically a higher risk?
Using your postal code against you will cover that well enough.
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