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I am always amused about how a certain variety of tablet user like to drone on about "apps" but never actually mention any.
I take the opposing philiosophical position. If apps can't scale up and scale down on the same basic form factor then they are fundementally broken.
Size matters but not how you think...
Small tablets have the benefit of being extremely portable. Meanwhile, the larger ones have limited ways to distinguish themselves. You are still using the same awkward interface. Sure the screen is bigger but the UI on the smaller device is specially geared to help get around that. Besides, you still need to use the same zoom-in/zoom-out stuff on the bigger tablets too.
Some big tablets could be enlarged carbon copies of their smaller counterparts.
A few aren't. They are still in the minority though. Hopefully that will change... '-)
Of course stuff should "port" just fine. The real issue is whether or not the relevant software vendors will bother with that process. It's really not an issue of how feasable it is but whether or not the vast majority of publishers will ever bother.
Now for the zillionth time...
Emulation of x86 binaries work on something like Alpha only because at the time the Alpha architecture was MUCH BETTER than what it was emulating. Typically, there is always a huge performance hit for emulation. If you have enough extra capacity/performance then this is not a problem.
This is why Alpha emulation of x86 binaries worked and why stuff like vmware works somewhat.
ARM is on the other side of the equation. So "emulation" will likely be painful and unpleasant.
> These have been designed _WITHOUT_ a common software
> architecture in mind. There is no way in hell to abstract them
> to a common API which high level programs designed for
> Windows can use. It is a throughly
You mean no stuff like OpenGL, OpenCL, and VDPAU?
The fact that such "common software architecture" exists is why cheap PCs can run circles around ARM gear. PCs use the same tricks that ARM does. Everyone has been using the same tricks as ARM does for not just years but decades. It's pretty standard industry practice across the board.
> I strikes me that you in the Open Politburo have an "our
> way or the highway" approach to freedom that Stalin would
> be proud of.
This is just stupid nonsense.
There is no "politburo" mentality at work here.
What there is here is a predefined legal framework created by those developers who originally created the works that Google is deriving from. Someone created code. That same someone released it under a particular license. That license is the only thing relevant here. It is the only thing that determines what is or is not "correct".
Some people with an obvious agenda are trying to muddle the issue here.
There is nothing about the GPL that requires the development process be open.
Google can hide their development process as much as they like. The GPL and similar licenses only come into play when they choose to ship product. At that point, and only at that point, do they have a legal requirement to disclose source code along with their product.
This is just mindless FUD with a well known blogger-instigator getting in on the fun.
Of course a librarian "put everything into the library". That is what they do. The key difference between you and a librarian is that they have a system. Not only do they have a system but it's a standardized system that any other librarian or even a civilian can get a handle on.
"Desktop Search" is simply a response to people in general refusing to be organized or refusing to understand what technology can do.
It also leads to silliness where people dump their iPhoto libraries to CD because they became too large to manage (in iPhoto).
What are the actual costs?
What are the actual marginal costs of hosting a 2M download? Really?
Can't be much. Probably not nearly worth ANY mafia style skimming of subscription revenues.
Except with some "browser plugin" you still have a common script language running on multiple platforms. It's not limited to PhoneOS, or MacOS, or Windows.
Amazon Prime streaming is very handy due to that.
You still have a platform agnostic development environment.
Nice Self Nuke...
> I would be really dumb to rely solely on simple streaming for an obvious reason
This is the reason to shun the cloud in general.
Bring stuff with you. Ditch the network entirely. Buy a bigger device if necessary.
I'm surprised that soybeans didn't end up on this list. In the absence of beans & rice or some dairy cows they need to have some good source of protein. You can only live off of a diet of potatoes, cabbage and cottage cheese only if you have the dairy cows.
Stuff to stick with...
It seems like you would be far better off with something that easily migrates your Elgato recordings to our iDevice and just leave it at that. Then you don't have to worry about any absurd looking dongle or signal quality issues.
Portable TVs are so 80s.
Just record your stuff with a nice solid signal and watch it later.
You could even automate it and have it run overnight and be ready for you in the morning.
Forking? So what?
Forking? So what?
I now have a smart phone that doesn't encourage me to keep a copy of Windows. The fact that it has "deviated" from the kernel I run on that desktop machine doesn't really bother me. As others have said, it was put out there to be used and "forks" are just a part of the scenery.
Devices that are more open than "that other Unix" are always welcome and generally useful.
So is meaningful choice in the marketplace.
It's all just silly....
Samsung doesn't need to buy any part of HP. They can just take up the slack left over by the exit of HP on their own already. Buying an albatros is not really required.
Buying HP's PC business would not give Samsung anything that they don't already have.
It's just silly.
The problem solver's dilemma.
They sell cheap gear that's more durable than Apple kit. A guy can only buy so many net tops. The market gets saturated after awhile. If gear is reliable, it just makes it that much longer until your customers have to buy something else again.
If I could print a TV...
If I could print a TV, there's no good reason that I shouldn't be able to.
Stealing != Copying.
Can't do the math...
> Actually I do use a different car for long distance journeys because it is more economical.
Unless your car is sitting in your garage and slowly dying of rust, the vast majority of your operating cost is going to be day to day use. Adding another couple of thousand miles is not that significant overall. If your car isn't suitable for long trips than it isn't suitable for "general purpose" use either.
PADD vs. 2001
The PADD looks more like a conventional notion of a terminal from it's day or even more like an older tablet device from the current era. However, the tablets from the Discovery look like they could have been planted by a time traveling Apple fanboy.
Thought as much when I recently watched that movie.
Oddly enough just after that I heard a radio personality (who used to be a pop musician) complain about tablets and movies like 2001. Said that they "ruin the experience". Felt like a glitch in the Matrix.
Plenty of room for improvement.
A local cloud appliance would make a lot of sense for Apple. Although it is the sort of thing that almost "makes too much sense" as it is the sort of thing that acknowledges current practical limits rather than just pretending that we all live 10 years in the future.
A consumer Mac with PCI-E cards is long overdue. Won't hold my breath on that one though.
Alien interest in Apple products...
> And I see little point in complaining about a product none of us would ever want, even if the price was cut in half.
The whole "lets make this thing an HTPC now" hype is part of this. It's the sort of thing that's going to draw in the crowd of people who already do the HTPC thing. So they are going to "kick the tires" and put in their 2 pence.
I got over that idea with the i945 Minis. ION buried the idea.
Now a half price Mini would actually be something interesting (as an HTPC).
...and something else.
...and something else that just occurred to me.
Now that they have "ditched removable media" they should have put more thought into it. Sure the obvious retort is "use a thumb drive" but think about it for a moment. The USB ports on a Mini aren't terribly convenient to get to.
This thing needs a front facing USB port (or 3).
Extenders and hubs are imperfect solutions. The thing needs a properly accessable USB port.
It should be better thought out than a Revo.
Cloning the mini...
Cloning the Mini is a lot easier now. It was a more interesting product than before. Dropping the nvidia GPU changes things quite a bit. Both Intel and AMD GPUs are common in motherboard chipsets and even on the actual CPU die (as is the case here).
Building a low profile machine with an nv330 or nv430 or nv540 is a lot trickier because stuff isn't built onto motherboards. A separate card is going to be nearly as large as the whole Mini.
Are you kidding? (yet again)
Bluetooth and wireless keyboard? Are you kidding? Those are hardly show stoppers.
Bluetooth is a $20 part. So is a wireless keyboard and mouse. Not that the Mini even comes with the latter anyways.
If anything, Bluetooth is a much better candidate for "just add it on later". Same even goes for whatever the current wifi standard happens to be. Although that's not even necessary.
No. What's hard is putting a decent GPU in the thing. That gets tricky real quick.
...and you don't need a noisy PSU or a big case.
Just quit swimming in the cool-aid.
Are you kidding?
> overpriced? can you build or buy the same
> form factor computer with similar or same
> components for less? last time i checked
> it was impossible.
This is a terribly generic configuration. The whole "CPU/GPU" thing pretty much seals it. All you need to replicate this is to get yourself a comparable Sandy Bridge motherboard. They even come in mini-ITX.
I was contemplating this very sort of thing myself MONTHS ago as potential replacement for ION machines.
Sticking with the onboard GPU makes it TRIVIAL to replicate this even at the same size as a Mini. Ditching the optical drive just makes it all that easier. At least with an nvidia GPU, it made things a little tricky (also something else I was already contemplating).
The revenge of "geeky specs"
> Who in the hell #
> installs Windows from an optical disc?
Consider this an example of how you ignore the "finer points" at your peril. "specs" may be "geeky", but they are how stuff gets done. If you go out of your way to ignore them, you may find yourself SOL.
Myself, I am really curious how that HD3000 turns out. This box represents a very generic configuration in PC terms. Since there's no discrete GPU, it's pretty easy to slap the PC motherboard equivalent of this into the low profile case of your choosing.
Not all it's cracked up to be.
> I haven't read the article, but: I'd guess that
> the drive doesn't need anything like the
> bandwidth of a thunderbolt link and the
> thunderbolt cables are outrageously expensive.
That kind of flies in the face of a lot of rhetoric that has been spouted about Thunderbolt.
USB has it's own problems even if you compare it to current tech. Something like a bus powered firewire DVD drive would be a cool thing. The same goes for an equivalent with a newer interconnect.
Of course the 50 cables kind of spoil the party.
Based on speed and system overhead, I would still be inclined to favor firewire. I only use USB for the convenience factor (bus power & no wall wart).
>> Only, people who still need to do actual *work* will continue to buy PCs, not tablets.
> Given the economy, we may see the end of the PC sooner than you think.
The economy will end sooner than the PC does.
Yes they're evil.
> There's nothing evil about protecting your work
> and designs. If it was some little outfit claiming
> the patent against Apple you'd be praising
> them as the new messiah.
No we wouldn't.
Not everyone likes being a hypocrite.
Engineering nice soft bumpers.
To their credit, Apple has done much to make their DRM seem transparent.
If you are a good little cult member and don't stray out of the pre-defined boundaries, then the DRM in iTunes is not such a big deal. DRM seems to become much more of a problem when it is a vendor neutral standard or it's bolted on top of something that isn't designed to accomodate DRM.
Then things "break".
You see this happen with CDs, DVDs, and BDs all to a varying degree.
When problems do happen with those optical media, a lot of people might not recognize it as a DRM failure. Saying that the industry has successfully snookered consumers is hardly a compelling reason to suggest they should just continue.
So. The summary for this guy and his book starts out with the Bible?
That's a bit stupid. There's any number of other issues that might be getting muddled here. The fact that this centers potentially around some other "sacred cow" makes it a very poor choice for a starting point.
...ignoring specs again.
You might be solely fixated on the monitor. However, this machine seems to have enough muscle to do some serious number crunching and video. It may not be as nice as some 28" monitor, but then again it is a laptop and not a monstrous workstation.
When desktop monitors were that small, 1024x768 was about as much as made sense on them.
That screen format...
I suppose if they took an industrial saw to that machine and cut off the numeric keypad, they might get the aspect ratio you're after. Although I don't see the point really. So you've got a little unused space? Bit deal. Would you rather have a bunch of bezel instead.
At least you can use the extra space if you have a little imagination.
Devil's in the details...
> You cant say for sure if you buy an Android handset
> today that it will run an updated release next year
Actually, I have better chances with the Android phone because I am
far less interested in "rooting" it or "jailbreaking" it. In order to run the
latest version of PhoneOS, you have to de-jailbreak it.
Did that with my iPhone right before I got my current Android.
The experience was rather jarring. I wouldn't want to go back to a non-jailbroken iDevice.
> That's why Audi/ Mercedes/ BMW Porsche/ Ferrari/ Aston have disappeared...
Apple is comparable to none of these.
They are a Ford with a slightly dressed up outer body and lawn furniture for seats.
That's why they need to sue the competition.
If only... as if.
> ...INNOVATE don't COPY.
When I buy an Android device, I don't buy it because it is some Apple clone.
I buy it specifically because of how it is NOT an Apple clone.
I buy non-Apple devices for the things that Apple refuses to do.
Fanboys are just sticking their heads in the sand here.
What's really nonsense...
> Well, that's one way of making Android look
> better. I don't think it makes sense to join
> together all the different handset makers
>because these companies are competitors.
...kind of like Dell, HP, Lenovo, and Acer.
Been there, done that.
Been there, done that.
Not terribly impressed with what Apple has done. Certainly their GUI shell for Unix is nothing to write home about. A lot of this comes down to just cultural mythology and a lot of noisy fans. Apple kit becomes sort of a hazy unknown because of the stiff entry price.
So few people are in any position to say better. So the accounts get more and more skewed towards those with blinders.
The Windows 7 UI is also a bit of a step back. It's nothing to brag about really.
Although Apple does deserve kudos for knowing most times what information hide. Although this can also backfire horribly if you are the least bit creative with how you use their gear.
I am looking at the camera connection kit right now.
Really, it just looks like an unecessary bit of nonsense that's just bound to get lost or forgotten about. It makes a lot more sense to build a better device to begin with. Doesn't matter if it's an Apple device or an Android.
If you need that "great ecosystem" then the design has failed.
It's far better just to have a proper USB port to begin with. Even "mom" can appreciate that.
> No one can compete with Apple on price.
Of course they can.
That's why Apple no longer owns the smart phone space and lost the PC space to the IBM 5150.
History and tech ignorance...
> Keep telling yourself that, while we all use iCloud,
> beam to Apple TV, and integrate totally with all our
> other iDevices.
Why should you need some 3rd party on the Internet to deal with basic file sharing duties that 68K based Macs were doing quite effectively before Microsoft even had a suitable version of Windows built?
Apple sells cages.
> Since I bought an iPad my netbook has been
> sitting in a cupboard gathering dust. Have not
> turned it on once since.
Since we bought an iPad, we've still needed to lug around the netbook to do those occasional tasks that an iPad intentionally refuses to do. It's not that it can't do those things. It's just not allowed.
It's terribly silly really.
Oddly enough, I've seen the household iPad fan do more and more iPad-y things on her desktop or netbook lately. Perhaps the initial glamor is starting to wear thin.
> the hardware is now so ephemeral that as to matter only to truly monomaniacal fetishists.
...yeah, the fetish of actually being able to do something useful.
That's what tech is for. To do something useful. If it doesn't do that,then you need to try something else that does.
Android devices are that something else.
Garage band and iMovie? Are you on crack.
No. The "flagship apps" for an alternate tablet don't have to be anything like that.
Their lock on smaller tablets (the ones called phones) are slipping. It's only a matter of time before that erodes their mindshare for larger tablets.
Apple running scared.
> If you want something better... → #
> In Galaxy Tab still legal in the Netherlands
> then just go and buy a netbook/laptop already.
...except I don't need to.
That is the key point about these new non-Apple tablets. They address many of the crticisms and limitations of Apple products. These new Android tablets are much more capable of displacing a netbook.
It doesn't matter if a particular product is something that you happen to like. The fact that the local thug can bully it out of the market is still a problem. That same thug might be able to bully your favorite product out of the market.
A Yankee in East Texas...
Being a Yankee in the podunk parts of Texas is not necessarily a strength.
Such a company might be viewed as equivalent to any other foreign company.
This is just sad.
Google finally decides to play along with all of the other crass corporations and the fanboys still try to find some way to denigrate those that dare to play in Apple's playground.
> He is not saying the PC is dead, he says that
> "while PCs will continue to be much-used
> devices, they’re no longer at the leading edge
> of computing"
That's even funnier and more pathetic.
Someone who does or has worked for IBM should really know better.
Looking good while completely missing the point.
> Dean's spot on. Hardware is essentially a solved
> problem compared to UI. That so many geeks think
> otherwise is the reason UI is so crap still.
The main reason I find myself pulling out the bash shell is the fact that most people who fancy themselves HID acolytes managed to drop the ball when making their GUIs.
People think that a few pretty pictures and an appearance that doesn't scare away people is good enough. It isn't. It's thoughtless in a subtle sort of way. You may have to be a "geek" to understand what's broken.
...a tad premature
Anything that can fully replace the PC will look an awful lot like one.
Although the really bit problem with this declaration is the fact that most Post PC devices are still entirely dependent on conventional old school PCs. Either they are tethered to a real PC or they need the computing power of a real PC to help deal with certain limitations.
It doesn't look like the PC is going anywhere any time soon. It still needs to linger in order to make things like Apple and Android tablets useful.
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