1990 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Re: Re: There is only one thing to understand
...except DRM never separated any non-paying customer from content.
Although DRM does tend to make things more difficult for those that actually bother to pay.
Re: Re: Re: @Metavisor
MacPorts isn't another repository. It's an entirely different framework.
It's not comparable at all. You don't have a single management interface or a single tracking and dependency database.
Half a dozen disjoint products is not comparable to a Linux package manager. Neither is the Apple app store really. However, it's a lot closer to apt-get than MacPorts is.
None of the Apple Corp or 3rd party options allow a 3rd party vendor like Adobe to tie into the package management system directly like Linux tools can.
Tools vs Product.
Re: Think the KISS principle.
The KISS principle is simply unnecessary. The n00b consumer won't pay attention to the stickers anyway. They will just buy something that's sitting in Best Buy. They may or may not even care if it has the current version of Windows. They won't check the pedigree of the box. They simply don't care.
People choose to remain blissfully unaware. That includes these silly little stickers.
Proprietary vendor nonsense.
"innovation" is fine so long as it's not forced down everyone's throats. That is the Microsoft way. That's also how Apple does things. Bold experiments are fine so long as they don't trash the status quo. The fact that this is easy to do in Linux is why un-loved aspects of X11 are so handy.
Defaults should be sane, useful, usable, and represent the widest use case.
Unix does have some notion of UI guidelines.
> where you need to know details of the terminal line to install / remove certain applications.
Like what? Stuff that's bleeding edge and hasn't been fully released to the public yet?
That's an artifact of an open development process. It doesn't mean what you are trying to claim it does.
Time for a Jeffersonian slapdown!
> The requirement is only that it never have been done THAT WAY before.
This is precisely the sort of crap that Thomas Jefferson rejected as far too obvious and trivial when he was serving as America's first patent clerk.
You don't get a patent for a mousetrap made out of oak rather than pine.
it's time to get Jeffersonian on these people.
How 2012 is like 1984
The fanboys need to create their own reality regardless of what they actual facts are.
As others have said, this kind of approach would not cut it in any other area. Who cares if Apple leads in overpriced PCs. The bulk of the market does not belong to them.
The same is true of phones.
There is simply no need for this mindless "Apple is unstoppable" propaganda. What kind of future are these people pining for really? Are they hoping at a 2nd chance to out-Microsoft Microsoft?
Yes you need to.
If you don't actually call it out by name then the rest of us have no reason to believe it exists at all.
Otherwise, we have no reason to believe that you have a single favorite app. Never mind dozens.
Stuff that's just littering the app store that you have no really knowledge of really doesn't count though.
Liberal media bias.
This is the problem with leaving gun discussions to people that refuse to know anything about guns. It's like having Apple users design electronics. If you are willfully ignorant, perhaps you should just STFU. I don't have a clue. You don't even want one.
One important characteristic of hollow point rounds is that they don't ricochet.
That whole "exploding bullet" thing ensures that you don't have stray rounds flying off and hitting something or someone that was not intended.
Some might view the lack of stray bullets bouncing around as a safety feature.
Plenty of other farm tools available.
> If you're against such things as home protection, I would suggest a sledgehammer instead.
A common kitchen knife or a pitchfork also does nicely.
Although I heard that the Brits also want to do away with proper kitchen knives too...
Strange combination of crippling and pandering
This new variant of Ubuntu actually reminds me of Mint in some ways. In some respects you could describe it as a less uptight set of packaging rules. They could just make regular desktop Ubuntu a little more "mint-y" and have pretty much the same effect. No separate version needed. No need to remove things that a corporate user might find use for (productive or otherwise).
The real hurdle on the corporate desktop is accommodating MIcrosoft-centric standards and otherwise being a drop in replacement for the machines you' are trying to displace. Adding a JDK and Flash really doesn't address that.
Strange nvidia problems...
I have used multiple nvidia based machines for years in a variety of situations in some pretty demanding situations and never had the desktop freeze once. This includes a lot of use of 10.04.
There are things that I would fault Canonical for. Lack of solid nvidia support is not one of them.
The origin of boi
I think it is supposed to be some sort of homosexual reference.
Just call it .riaa
No. It's a joke.
No. It's a joke. Its' a joke because even it's biggest fans admit that you must violate the DMCA before the thing is actually useful.
A proper video appliance should not need that. Certainly, such a device should be able to play your own user generated stuff without a lot of fuss or bother or special conversions.
Apple also needs to discover this whole daemon/service concept. Using a desktop app as a "media server" is such an 80s sort of single user mentality nonsense.
Yet another reason why you want to break the law and put Plex on your ATV.
The Newspeak definition of geek.
> Except it doesn't work like that in most modern TV sets. There is no "AV" on the remote; there is probably an "Input" button that takes you to some menu where you select from a list of arcane options like "Video 1" or "HDMI 3."
And how are you going to get rid of that exactly? If you have 4 or more inputs, what magical thing are you going to call them so that the willfully ignorant don't need to burn out brain cells?
You are simply trying to pretend that no arcane details exist in the world. They do and sometimes you have to manage them head on rather than trying to pretend they don't exist.
Although you could simply move through the options until you find the right one. This is the kind of discoverability that GUIs are supposed to enable. This is something that Apple fanboys believed in once. They believed in the user once too. Not any more though.
For the Apple fanboy, everyone is too stupid and helpless to simply go through a list until they find that they need.
> Have you used a TV lately? Have you seen the hideous and convoluted set of menus to configure the darn thing?
...which you do exactly how often? Those menus are there for initial setup and represent things that would simply be missing on an Apple interface. The usual TV controls are very basic things that are well recognized and also missing from Apple interfaces (like volume control).
The fanboys are simply trying to wag the dog here.
> Configuring any external input is also a hassle
As compared to what? Simply not bothering? A popup menu and some arrow keys is really not as horrible as all that.
> features like Internet access and photo albums. Most people don't use any of that crap because it's such a pain to figure out.
...and Apple is going to save us all by giving us an interface that takes whatever organization you have imposed on your photos and removing it? Hardly. That kind of nonsense is why people already jailbreak their ATVs.
> Imagine being able to hook up your DVD player by just plugging in the cable and clicking a button.
You mean like now?
> But most importantly, imagine navigating the entire set of options, channels, and other features with a simple little remote with a handful of buttons.
No. The "handfull" is simply going to castrate the user experience. Anything that's deemed "too geeky" will simply be removed from the experience. Orwellian rhetoric will follow.
I think it's you that hasn't used a TV lately.
"Glowing square"? Do you people even read the nonsense you post? What kind of normal person is going to to find that distinctive enough. It's a little too subtle even for those of us prone to aspbergers. It's a braindead approach when Apple does it and it's no less brain dead when Microsoft tries to clone it (poorly).
The squeaky wheel...
The squeaky wheel is likely to be the one with the problem. The bulk of your customers that are more or less satisfied are simply not going to bother. Any self-selected forum is going to bias towards the more motivated respondents. Of course this is going to include those that are the most p*ssed off.
I agree with the idea that some doctors can't handle honest feedback and want to somehow silence or mute the complaints by discrediting them all.
Religious fervor about the government seizing people's property and then destroying it?
You might think that we were the types to get uptight about our rights being violated. You might think us "religious types" might have even started an armed revolt over this sort of nonsense.
Get some tar, some feathers, and a keg of Sam Adams.
Not just fizzy drinks...
It's not just the fizzy drinks. The sports drinks have started doing this too. There's a whole line of Gatorade that includes artificial sweeteners.
...ah, the memories.
> A faster processor, you say. Well, that's a shocker.
I remember when I anxiously awaitied the new models of PC and microprocessor anticipating a signficant and useful speed improvement.
...about 10+ years ago. I think ARM might be creeping up on that level of performance finally [snicker].
> Samsung seem to be behaving very oddly.
Not really. They were attacked by Apple and counterattacked.
The legitimacy of that defensive action is now under question.
This is open corporate warfare and someone is trying to tie Samsung's hands.
It was like the internet but analog.
> Who are the acts which we wouldn't know exist if they hadn't been pirated, because the majors didn't make them publicly available?
The entire New Wave of British Heavy Metal.
Same goes for the entire Thrash genre too. Lars was a filthy pirate back in the day.
Some consumers are smart enough to ask for what they want. Quite often they have to handle the distribution end of it too, at least initially. Or some club owner might be the pirate.
It was not Tivo that enabled commercial skip. It was Replay TV and they got slapped down hard for it.
> I find your attitude simplistic and child like and far removed from the society
> and technical systems behind it, just like my 13 yr old nephew’s friend who
> told me how he was the Foo Fighters greatest fan then proceeded to offer me
> a DVD with all their albums on it...woo some fan.
Entire genres have been established with that kind of behavior. Some rather crass musical acts owe their fame and success and riches to that kind of behavior.
It's your attitude that's simplistic. All you see is one transaction rather than the entire market in aggregate including other more profitable transactions that occur only because of some initial loss leader.
The nonsense of mindless branding
The idea that the unwashed masses that accumulate pirated software have any business touching Photoshop is highly amusing. It's simply overkill. So is the GIMP really. However, people tend to focus on big recognizable names because they don't really have any clue or anything meaningful to say.
If you are willing to pirate stuff, you can simply pirate a better targeted tool.
Games have been pirated for decades yet the industry continues. If a game is any good at all, expect it to be pirated. Even blockbusters get pirated. It doesn't really matter in the end.
You will succeed or fail based on the quality of your work and whether or not you can convince anyone to buy.
People that are successful in the industry realize that they aren't just competing with the rest of the industry but anything that can distract the customer.
If you are trying to blame piracy for your troubles then you are a loser trying to blame someone else for the fact that you can't make it in a tough market.
Crap SMS.app, no good replacment possible.
> antennagate I dont remember much complaint about iPhone as a voice phone
I always found the inability to quickly clear my SMS messages to be terribly annoying.
That was my main reason for dumping my iPhone for an Android. Although there are other advantages to having a more open platform.
You didn't really refute anything.
> Aside from the gazillion or so assemblers which configure any PC according to your specs, most big brand names like Dell, HP, Lenovo etc do sell computers without Windows, because that is what a big part of their business customer base buys.
Nonsense. They do no such thing. At best they may have one or two options that are not terribly appealing. Dell is great at this approach. Now claiming that the market isn't effectively dominated by one player because you can "build your own" is just absurd. That represents a vanishingly small part of the market and isn't even valid for certain classes of hardware (like laptops).
Besides Linux, having the option of a CLEAN windows install would also be helpful.
I just fixed up a Mini 9 that way. It's MUCH better without the crudded up Dell Windows install on there.
Microsoft won the last platform war by being ruthless and promising a product they didn't actually have in order to create a relationship with the reigning monopoly of the time.
IBM was never terribly cheap. They just aren't that kind of vendor.
That came later with attempts to clone IBM's product. Neither IBM nor Microsoft are responsible for that. Although Microsoft was in a good position to take advantage of the situation.
There is no 800lb gorilla for them to cozy up to this time. You might be able to describe Apple in those terms but they aren't sharing. They don't have to. They aren't under a consent decree like IBM was in the early 80s.
Monopoly smack downs (IBM/AT&T) are responsible for a good deal of the current computing landscape.
The value of direct acccess.
> and what exactly is it people are doing to their Androids that demand unfettered access?
I can manipulate pretty much all of the data on the phone without a special app. I don't have to worry about that special app being some sort of gatekeeper that just gets in the way of what would otherwise be a simple interface (the Finder).
This allows simple tweaks like custom ringtones to be nothing more than putting an appropriate file in the right place.
I can use a 3rd party market like Amazon.
I also never have to worry about getting stuff back off the device.
Some people have a strange definition of simplicity.
This years slightly better crap.
There is so much in the PC market to muddle issues. So it's hard to know who or what to blame when you find something that is a bit of a disaster. Is it the crufty old XP? Is it the crap that the PC vendor added? Is it the fact that the old XP driver is crap. Perhaps the whole thing could be sorted out by dumping the bundleware copy of XP for an OEM version.
PCs are a saturated market. People probably already have as many as they are interested in having. If the crapulence of the OS is what is encouraging them to buy new kit, they may decide to not bother. Consumer packaged versions of Windows may be too expensive (or limited) for most people to consider.
Microsoft is in a perfect storm. Only part of it is it's own making but a good part of it nonetheless.
The zen of cheapness
...so you are basically saying that you think a cheap but craptacular product would still be good enough to prevent you from buying a much more expensive alternative.
That seems to flatly contradict the spin and damage control coming from Apple.
The Amish of California
Flash is used for content. There's just no denying that. You might as well try to claim that the world is flat.
When I am browsing the web, I expect to be able to browse any website and not just ones that the cult leader has declared acceptable. It may suck that Flash is a pig. It sucks even more not to have the right to choose.
As a photo viewer, an iPad is nothing special. It might even be a bit overpriced. As someone trying to sell your services in an environment of heavy conspicuous consumption (newlyweds) you might want to show off the Apple product just to keep up appearances.
An Android is actually the easier device to deal with if you are moving things around. There's nothing like iTunes to get in the way. Just plug it in and drag and drop.
This is about making an impression on the kind of people willing to spend 6 figures on a wedding.
It all depends on what you need...
It all depends on what you want and need.
If your big thing is books, then something that is primarily targeted as book reader could very well displace sales of a more expensive device. Amazon is not the late entrant here. Apple is.
That's something that "certain people" tend to gloss over.
Daft or Dangerous?
Finding that option you want in a byzantine set of menus is nice and all but this is hardly something that should be the primary means for a n00b to interact with applications.
Mark Shuttleworth: Is he daft or is he dangerous?
Consider it a bug with a lot of eyeballs...
> @Ken Hagan #
>A textbook isn't just a list of what's true. It is a way to present information in a useful way with examples and so on.
> Or maybe you'd like everyone to create all this material for free? I think publishers and authors deserve to be paid for creating educational resources
Sure. There are probably millions of educators out there that each is in a position to contribute to this sort of work. There's really no compelling reason that anyone has to actually pay for it. There is something to be said for paying for content delivery. However, the content itself should be easy enough to create if the entire world is collaborating.
You simply don't need to create a bunch of petty robber barons.
It was never the point. The actual talent probably thinks so too.
The test of time...
I have text books that 20 years old and other books that are older than that. I have seen 60 year old books that were still pretty useful. Plenty of people seem content to ignore things like total cost of ownership, longevity and other issues.
The real problem with textbooks is not that they are heavy or expensive but that they are largely redundant. What demand there is is kept artificially high by the same sort of proprietary interests that Apple itself represents.
Amazon vs Apple
Amazon is a bad example to try to use to justfiy the nonsense that Apple does.
You need their proprietary device or app just to browse their stuff. You can't fully evaluate the total experience until you actually buy into it.
That's in stark contrast to Amazon where anyone with a web browser can see what they have to offer. You might even find that you can get what you want without the DRM. Amazon will happily sell it to you.
Amazon sells the DRM locked books and video but also bog standard CDs, DVDs, and books.
Running off the rails again.
This author is running off the rails again trying to conflate iTunes with the likes of Google search. It's a highly disingenuous sort of argument that ignore some key details. Namely, using something other than Google search does not require you to ABANDON anything.
This is what separates any vendor-locked platform from the likes of Google Search.
Even the Amazon version of this is less restrictive since Amazon supports more devices including those of their biggest market rival.
I can think of plenty of uses for this thing once it becomes a complete system and not just a non-standard component to make a complete system out of.
Ultrabooks are the Apple approach to the netbook concept.
They're basically a thinner prettier netbook. They tend to be light and have great battery life but otherwise have really crappy specs.
The MP from California...
California is a big place with lots of content creators and lots of high tech companies.
Of course he should seek to protect the interests of his constituents in either case. Anything else would be fundementally undemocratic.
What I find peculiar is when congressmen that have no apparent link to content creation try to subject us to further attempts to distort copyright law in Hollywood's favor.
The guy from Cali should not be the one schooling the guy from Texas about the proper ideological focus of a member of the GOP. That's just sad.
Moving the goalposts
> "Linux is obviously more secure" is exactly the sort of thinking that allows someone to hack a linux box.
...see there. That's a great example of "moving the goalposts".
Linux and Unix in general is more secure. Changing the subject from unintentional malware infections to a manual attack by a highly motivated intruder does not alter that fact. It's an entirely different sort of threat.
You can use Unix and be vigilant or you could depend on wishful thinking.
I just typed in "apt-get install xbmc" and I was done.
It helps to have a sincere interest in succeeding.
The pitfalls of Step 1
I gave up on Step 1 shortly after the 4th season of Babylon 5. The last few episodes of that season were thrown all over the place on the schedule. Although looking back at it now, I am not sure that even an excellent PVR would have kept up with that particular shenanigan.
The main thing is watching TV on your own terms on your own schedule.
Resolving conflicts is also nice. A good PVR scheduler means that you aren't forced into an artificial choice imposed by hostile TV networks.
Then there's how the device can go out and find things for you that you might not have considered or been able to find. A suitably complete copy of TV would be no trivial thing to deal with.
The bogeyman du jour...Here's a novel idea. Just don't be a pig. Practice boring old world food habits and follow simple time tested heuristics. Moderation and balance. Unfortunately there's a lot of politics rather than science in modern nutrition.
No purity in industrial food> And a glass of pure orange juice ...which you're only going to get if you juiced it yourself. Any factory made juice is going to have the life boiled out of it. It has to. Otherwise you will end up killing people from food poisoning. Seriously. Odwalla killed people this way.
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