1783 posts • joined Monday 26th January 2009 18:23 GMT
Re: Because it's better
> Sure you can hook up a PC to a telly, but unless you like buying
> and then trailing extra long video cables across your lounge you
> have to get up out of your comfy chair to change channels*
Are you sure you aren't lost?
This hasn't reflected the state of the art in computing for a VERY long time.
...except they aren't "unsightly".
Current television enclosures already solve this problem. This is an issue that you are exposed to ONCE when you buy your TV. After that, it's completely invisible.
Non-problem already solved.
Re: AMD has improved ATI
> You mean "make sure it does not have NVidea graphics"?
Why would I do that?
Nvidia gives me unrivaled 3D performance and full video playback acceleration through VDPAU. Nvidia also has superior base support for things like oddball monitors that send gibberish through EDID.
Nvidia "just works" and works well. ATI and Intel do not.
All of this other nonsense distracts from the movie. The movie is still the main point of the entire enterprise. If the movie itself is not executed well then the other distractions are pretty meaningless.
Did they do a righteous transfer? If not then it's game over. The BD doesn't deserve anything better than 50%.
Re: What social sites ...
So? Do you really thing they are going to waste resources enforcing this? They are a lazy and greedy corporation like any other.
Re: Lost credibility here for me:
You are trying to confuse "open" with "open source" here. They aren't quite the same thing.
DOS and Android represent platforms that can be implemented by multiple vendors. So do DVD and BluRay. Either of those give rise to a more diverse market that is capable of addressing a wider range of user requirements including price and features.
Apple is a one trick poiny. They are the proverbial Model-T. That Model-T might be great for one user but suck for the next. Apple has no interest to adapting to different types of customers and are in fact actively hostile to what you might describe as "heretics".
Re: True enough.
iTunes is over hyped proprietary nonsense. It's an 80s approach to something that can be made redundant by a website like Amazon or Netflix. As a media manager, it's also outdated since mobile devices now have the power to do that themselves.
The role of iTunes as a gatekeeper is simply unnecessary.
My phone is now more powerful than the first machines that ran iTunes.
Windows centric nonsense
Driver download safari?
This is generally not the Linux problem. Completely unsupported devices included in the machine by a Windows vendor that couldn't give a rat's *ss about desktop Linux is the problem. So are borked quasi-custom Linux versions.
You solve the actual Linux problems by catering the hardware to what Linux supports and supports well.
Dell? Don't make me laugh. Find a proper Linux vendor instead.
Re: No Ethernet or USB 3 ???
On an enclosure this size, they could have included a USB port of some kind for legacy Mac users.
This sort of thing was quite commonplace with Firewire drives back in the day. It was very handy because you could take advantage of the better FW performance while still being widely compatible.
Although it's hard to mass the bus power of USB for convenience.
Re: No Ethernet or USB 3 ???
It's worse than that and most Apple pushers won't even acknowledge it.
This isn't just Apple only but it's "New Apple Only". If you have even a slightly older Mac, this thing is of absolutely no use to you. So if you've got any older machines at all, this thing won't connect to them.
This thing is only useful if you have "this years" Mac.
You're better off getting the cheap pocket USB drive from Walmart/Tesco.
Have you seen the kinds of sites that host multimedia components for Windows and MCE?
That kind of crap right there is reason enough to dump Windows for a Mac at least.
It's mind boggling what DOS Lemmings will put up with. It never ceases to amaze me. I know it shouldn't since I remember the old nonsense with memory management. Still does though.
Re: I can take your GPL code
Your nonsense is EXACTLY why this whole nonsense about the h264 monopoly cartel is such a problem. Our culture and personal information is held hostage to these corporate interests that want to take advantage of everyone.
These kinds of patent cartels are a threat to everyone and should be taken more seriously.
Re: I can take your GPL code
I am "stealing" nothing by playing my own paid-for copy of some DVD with whatever program I choose. The only reason there is even any sort of "ownership" associated with playback is as a backhanded non-cricket extension to copyright law that shouldn't be tolerated anyways.
The physical copy is legitimately acquired and it's my personal property. I should have the legal right to decode it . Period.
> THe problem exists with some Nvidia drivers - the company does not provide them
Just use the ones supplied from the vendor. Chances are that there's a nice "download vendor graphics drivers" here button on your desktop. Very easy. Even a Mac user can manage.
Stuttering on a "recent nvidia card" ?
An Atom can playback BD rips with a recent nvidia card. Never mind DVD.
Even the relatively ancient 6x00 generation of nvidia cards had partial HW acceleration for MPEG2.
Re: "rely on the many quality solutions on the market"
> So, Microsoft is simply removing
Being unable to play DVDs while the MPEG2 decode support is BUILT INTO THE GPU?
That's pretty counter-intuitive.
What I care about is being able to play my DVDs, home movies, and HD-PVR recordings. Don't care about dodgey marketing rhetoric about "improving efficency". Stuff either works or it doesn't. It either works out of the box or not.
If it's not included, then are you left on your own to sort out things yourself without a proper package manager?
Re: Ultimatly true but premature
All of these "innovations" were available to PC users no sooner than they were to Mac users.
The key difference has always been that you don't get stuff crammed down your throat with no recourse. You don't find suddenly that all of your SCSI devices are doorstops and that you need to replace any of your ADB devices.
Apple simply gives you no choice.
You can put what you want on a PC. I could still use a PS2 port if I wanted to. Got USB3 too.
No you are just a clueless n00b that wouldn't know his machine were having any sort of difficulty unless it completely failed to boot.
Macs are just PCs. Typically, they are trailing edge PCs with no good means for upgrade or maintenance. They use the same random spare parts as any other PC. Some models of Dell and whatnot are actually very good for Hackintoshes because of this.
That's funny because the first generation of Mac I purchased had insufficient memory to deal well with the version of MacOS that shipped with it and graphics apps threw up warnings about Quartz clearly indicating that the video chip was not up to snuff.
The missus ditched the Mac I gave her because of how Apple likes to do things that seem gratuitiously different. That and lack of support for legacy Win32 software. Fancies her iPad though.
I don't recall MacOS being terribly optimized in this way. While "startup time" seems to be a great fixation for Windows users and Microsoft.
Sometime when I'm really bored I will have to horse race one of my Macs and my Win7 machine just for laughs.
Re: Apple's Success
Apple has simply ceased to be a computer company.
They are a consumer electronics company. They're like the 80s division of Sony responsible for the Walkman.
What computers they do still sell are PCs pretending to be appliances. Although they are only PCs when it suits Apple marketing. Otherwise they're not PCs. Fanboys go happily go along with all of this.
Their actual PC numbers are miniscule both compared to Apple's own numbers as well as the rest of the PC industry.
Re: Apple's Success
> pay a premium to do away with all the rough edges, half-arsed feature implementations and confusing inconsistent interfaces.
Apple's advantage here is grossly over hyped.
Re: I'll miss it
No one ever tries to pretend that the toaster can replace your PC.
Apple and the fanboys love to advocate that kind of thing.
Now if I have a video appliance of some sort, I expect it to play my home movies or shows I've recorded off of cable. That's a fundemental use case relevant failure. It's hardly comparable to running gcc on my VCR.
Fanboys seek to lower expectations and berate and misrepresent anyone who isn't drinking the kool-aid.
Fanboy Ferrari Delusions
Beyond the fact that no Apple product is really a Ferarri or BMW, you have the very real problem that these are ultimately computing platforms that depend on 3rd party support. The "compatibility" issues that plague computing devices can allow products to become entrenched even when they are completely unworthy.
Many have said that the Mac vs PC thing is repeating itself again.
Apple is living high off the hog for now. That will likely not last.
Unfortunately, computing devices aren't nearly as interchangeable as cars.
In truth, no Apple product is a Ferarri. Although your attempt to claim such just demonstrates the other poster's comments about annoying conspicous consumers.
An OS in a box.
Running Windows in a VM is no escape.
You're still running Windows. You're still managing Windows. You still have to deal with all of the usual BS (especially as a large corporation).
If you're just going to run Windows in a box, you could do that with Linux.
The "it sells, therefore it's good" fallacy.
> Only a fool with their head in the sand thinks Apple are selling hand over fist because people are dumb rather than the products are good.
Re: Being able to push content
It makes some sense to use a tablet as a UI but that is the extent of it.
Pushing the actual content is just stupid.
The moment you talk about transcoding or remuxing, you've just lost the argument.
That is the opposite of the sort of "just works" experience that Apple is supposed to be famous for.
Re: but only iTunes fans need apply.
> iTunes will play DRM-free content you buy elsewhere, no problem. It's drag and drop.
No it isn't. Not even close.
It's easy to "hate Apple" when fanboys make up rediculously fraudulent claims.
iTunes does NOTHING for video management of alien video formats and has very limited support for anything.
This is why people jailbreak this device.
Re: Top nerdery sir!
Back when my bedroom was also my computer room, I hacked my Atari ST to have a separate keyboard with an extra long cable and used to compute from the comfort of the bed.
No projector though. Just a 19" TV.
These days any PC and standard wireless keyboard will do. No challenge in that at all.
Re: He really wouldn't need to transcode them
Remuxing doesn't do you any good if the format inside the container is not supported or it uses features that are beyond the ability of the appliance to deal with.
Needing to remux is no less stupid. Really is just shows MORE contempt for the end user because it demonstrates that the appliance already has the ability to deal with the content in question. It simply chooses not to.
The vendor has made a conscious choice to ignore the wider world and to make the device more inconvenient to use than it really needs to be.
Remuxing n+1 files is still n+1 worth of bother.
Re: Hmm, I wonder what the fundamental particle of rabid control-freakery is called?
> Do you actually know what the Stalinist USSR was like?
You never knew if you, your friends, or your family members might suddenly disappear in the night.
Plus lines to get toilet paper.
Re: Great idea
Any similar TV cabinet will achieve exactly the same thing.
If you're not worried about sound quality, you could just get yourself a smart tv and mount it on the wall. This is a solution for a problem that doesn't really exist.
> Is this not akin to taking your child to the supermarket.
No. It's akin to given them a Nintendo DS.
If it is any more dangerous than that then perhaps the "curator" isn't doing their job properly.
Apple has displaced Microsoft as innovator of harmless things being made dangerous in new and interesting ways.
Re: When will parents learn
Consider this a fundemental design problem with iTunes. You're forced to provide payment information even if you have no intention of buying anything. Free content is muddled with adware and these micropayments. Any system where such micropayments can't be disabled across the board is just asking for this kind of trouble.
It doesn't even have to be "misbehaving children". I personally don't want to end up "buying" something I didn't intend.
You force people to be "in for a penny, if in for a pound" and you will create this kind of problem.
It's entirely unnecessary.
Re: Missing the point entirely
Carriers are simply the seaborne extension of air superiority. This is something that is relevant to any conflict. A carrier means that your air power can have greater effective range and can be projected anywhere where British interests or citizens are at risk.
If nothing else, England has an interest in ensuring freedom of navigation on the high seas.
It's not just about misguided American adventures. It's also about hunting down pirates and dealing with natural disasters.
You need a Churchill or Nelson icon.
Cruel and Unusual.
He doesn't need to be paid to be a shill for his masters. Just watch and episode of the Tudors and see how enthusiastic the peasants are about the King.
Your rhetoric about piracy is ultimately irrelevant as current punishments are grossly inappropriate.
Punishment is fine. Just make sure that it fits the crime. Something like piracy should be along the lines of a speeding ticket or a jaywalking ticket. A single infraction or "set of facts" should get you no more than actual shoplifting would.
Re: Solution for self-inflicted problem.
If these devices were allowed to be treated as the PCs that certain people like to pretend they are when it suits them, then all of these "appliance" protocols would be moot. All you really need is a rudimentary file sharing protocol and the freedom to use it.
Of course you have the problem of limited format support. That's a key "feature" of most of these devices. AirPlay doesn't help that. It just adds another layer of indirection.
A total luddite spouse can control any HTPC running XBMC. The only advantage the ATV2 has is price.
The ATV2 still has decoder limitations if you are using XBMC or player limitations if you are using Plex. You don't need AirPlay for music or photos.
An ATV2 is still limited ARM hardware that isn't fully functional unless you burgle the device so you can install better software on it.
iTunes is not unique any more and is very replaceable.
Solution for self-inflicted problem.
Streaming from your phone is just a stupid parlour trick. It's something to impress the clueless. It's a very limited feature that mainly exists to cover up the limitations Apple artificially imposes on the ATV2. If the ATV2 were allowed to have it's own apps, the idea of using a $500 device to hack around the limitations of a $99 one would be moot.
First your streaming to one device and then to the other on wireless networks that aren't great to begin with. You're doing all of this despite the fact that the overpriced tablet isn't actually any more capable than the cheap little puck by the TV.
Just let the iPad without a monitor do it's own decoding and run it's own apps.
Not allowing the user community to improve the user experience is major fail.
The Usability Paradox
Transcoding everything by hand is really an absurd suggestion. At least something like Plex offers the illusion that the ATV can play everything and doesn't require you do go through a lot of upfront fuss and bother. Plex (and XBMC) also offer superior media management.
This is one part of the process that some people like to gloss over. This is where XBMC shines and most other solutions (iTunes, MCE) tend to fall down badly.
Re: big screen laptops and airplanes...
If you are in tight quarters on an airplane, nothing beats a tablet. Been using my Archos for years for this very use case. Sure you can get a bigger screen with a conventional laptop but then you have no place to put it really.
12" tablet with a proper USB port might be nice. Plug in the hard drive, pick a movie, copy it, continue on my merry way without the power drain of the hard drive.
Can't just wish away those faults...
...in particular, the ergonomics of laptops are crap. That's one of the reasons that tablets have been welcomed by casual users. You no longer have to hunch over a tiny screen, typing on a crap keyboard while giving yourself a permanent spinal injury.
Compared to a crap laptop keyboard, an onscreen GUI keyboard is not so bad.
If you aren't being productive, you want the controls to be somewhere else. If you are being productive, you still want the controls somewhere else an the monitor at a proper height. Achieving the latter will necessarily require ditching the keyboard.
Sure you can use some sort of "docking station" but that kind of defies the whole point.
Re: Near SSD performance?
In general, speeds of this range are going to be "peak" or sequential. Even then, the alleged performance advantages of SSD may or may not help you. It's simply not something that you can assume as an article of faith.
ANY decent sized SSD is going to be costly. Doesn't matter if it is "decent" or not.
Peak burst rates for a spinny disk is going to be very much like SSD because you're going to be reading from memory just like an SSD does.
Re: Headed Commodore and Atari yet forgotten
Bringing computing to the masses is a non-trivial accomplishment. Offering things that no one can afford to buy is not really that meangingful. It took the PC industry 20 more years to reach the level of price acessability that Commodore created. Commodore didn't stand the test of time but it did help prime the market and create a generation of computing professionals.
The PC market is built on the bones of Commodore, Atari and the rest.
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