1901 posts • joined 26 Jan 2009
Blast from the past...
This dock concept goes back to the 80s. You remember that company that Steve founded after he left Apple?
This stuff is old enough that any relevant patents should be expired by now.
I used a dock on my Linux desktop in the 90s.
Re: Market stratification makes me sad
Nonsense. Even 30 and 40 years ago Lego sets were still kits intended to build a particular thing like a space ship or police station. The only thing that has really changed over the years is that major movies are now being licensed by Lego and it's competitors.
The whole "bucket of bricks" versus a kit is as it has always been: up to the person.
Besides, Legos have always been too expensive for a "bucket of bricks" approach.
Even now your "bucket of bricks" is likely heavily augmented by competitors that can now finally make compatible bricks. Talk about the long reach of patents...
Re: "The company itself got its start from copying the GUI system developed at Xerox PARC."
It doesn't matter if they "stole it" or they "paid for it".
They took someone else's work and used it as the basis as their own. It's exactly what they are accusing Samsung of. They just had the benefit of a less well developed legal framework around computing technology.
Otherwise Apple might not even exist today.
You might be luck to get to use MS-DOS.
> That's not long after they produced the first GUI based computers outside of a research lab.
So? That research lab is prior art.
The fact that something is hidden from you laymen doens't mean it hasn't been invented yet.
Also, anything from 1987 should be well expired by now patent-wise.
Re: Kudos to the author
It's all about stock valuation.
That's the new yardstick: How absurd is your PE ratio?
Re: Apple do innovate
> You're not doing yourself any favours using terms like "iFans". It makes you come across as a teenage kid.
Don't get your pretensious tight ass panties in a buch. It's certainly not the worse thing people could come up with. It's no worse than net.this and net.that and is very much in line with Apple's own naming conventions.
If anyone has some growing up to do, it's you.
Re: A friend of mine works for Samsung
New IOS on an older iPhone might be a big part of why my local iFan defected to Android. New PhoneOS on an old phone was definitely bogging down and making her pine for a newer device. The delay on iPhone 5 just helped things along.
Re: I think that I should....
Many of these commentards are THOSE PEOPLE that "do a job for a living". They are the relevant experts. This is the site that "bites the hand that feeds IT". You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting someone that can probably replicate a lot of these nonsense patents with a couple lines of Perl.
It's the "legal experts" that have run off the rails and are ignoring the relevant technical details.
Patent examiners leave it up to the courts. Courts assume that the patent examiners "know what they're doing" and the whole mess blows up in everyones faces.
Re: The Fanbois
It is very likely that NEITHER side should have "won".
The American patent office has been running amok for quite some time now. Chances are that out of 100 patents, only one of them is anywhere near reasonable.
Re: @ turtle
In short: "Apple is entitled to abuse the system".
This has nothing to do with Android. Some of us have been ranting about the broken patent system for a long time. This is just the latest episode. Calling us "competing fanboys" won't alter the fact that we're arguing based on principle and you're just a corporate shill.
Re: Well what do you know!
My local former iFan now uses (Samsung) Android devices for how they are NOT like Apple products.
The same goes for me.
It's nice to have choices. Not everyone agrees with your fascist vision for technology.
Resistance is futile.
The local iFan that was seduced by the 7 inch Galaxy Tab 2 was so impressed by it that she broke down and go herself a G3. She was tired of waiting for an iPhone 5 and didn't see the 4s as enough of an upgrade.
Now she's been fully assimilated.
Early to arrive. Early to leave...
Re: Is it really though?
> Really? Did you not think that Android phones are much cheapers than the iPhone's?
I have never thought of this. On the other hand, I actually have an informed opinion that has come from actually looking at the facts and not just being content to spread someone else's propaganda talking points.
Android phones are no more or less subsidized than any Apple product.
"Cheap" simply isn't the issue.
Re: Is it really though?
My local iFan is very close to ditching the iPhone for a Galaxy and is already quite impressed with the Galaxy Tab to the point of moving away from the iPad too.
It turns out that 7 inches isn't such a pointless form factor after all.
Get medieval on his arse...
He's just lucky that there wasn't anything in the statute about boiling in oil.
Clearly this judge is asleep at the switch and is just rubber stamping any crazy penalty that they come up with.
"It could be worse" is not a suitable response to the question of "is it just" or "is it even legal"?
Just so long as it isn't 8088 assembler, they should be fine.
Inherently sillly article.
It's an inherently silly article based on a flawed premise and confused terminology.
It's FREE SOFTWARE. The moment you start talking about this "open source" stuff you've already compromised your ideals and have started pandering to guys with money and expensive suits. That's kind of the whole point of the thing.
if you are just realizing this now then you haven't really been paying attention.
"open source" is watered down for corporate consumption by it's very nature.
Sooner or later the likes of Apple will stop supporting you and you will be unable to run latest version of doo-dad. Trapping your OS in the past means that you have to trap your apps and drivers in the past too. Not everyone is cool with that.
There's also security fixes to consider.
Silly narcissistic whiners...
Meanwhile, those with any sense realize that your average n00b sees NONE of this stuff and is thus very unlikely to be influenced by any of it.
Re: "“Did you use open source code to save time, and the virus was hidden in it?”"
When many "must have" apps will willingly execute any random script or executable they are given, you don't really need to put trojans in the code. While it is certainly possible, it is entirely uncessary.
If the code is open, all you need is one kid who wants to make a name for himself.
If the code is closed, you just have to depend on the good intentions of the likes of Apple or Microsoft.
Re: I would care...
Does the machine have the Cajones to run Flash?
If so then you have access to enough games to keep the kids distracted indefinitely.
Re: As freetard...
Quite. My use of Free Software is mainly an artifact of being ignored by those making decent software.
You had your chance Sun and you blew it quite spectacularly.
No. "Freetard" has always been an aphorism to insult Free Software.
It's only occasionally used to refer to pirates who already have a term of derision custom crafted for them.
Re: It isn't a zero sum game
THE CLOUD IS BAD.
The cloud can be useful in certain limited situations despite it's handicaps.
This gets overblown into a lot of hype and nonsense as pundits ignore the limitations in current technology and gloss over the requirements of end users. It is not the idyllic Federation network from the 24th century that some people like to pretend it is.
Even if it were, one might be more inclined to store stuff with friends and family with appliances built for the purpose and made easy peasy for even the biggest n00b among us.
Given the prices of ALL OTHER tablets on the market, it is pretty obvious that Microsoft will be engaging in some very egregious dumping here.
You're clearly ignoring some important details here.
Re: obligatory question....
"Nobody wants to do it" yet there is such a vibrant modding scene even for Apple products.
You are preaching an obvious contradiction here. Reality does not agree with your rhetoric.
So newer versions of Android run like a dog on older kit? Big deal. So does pretty much anything. This even includes the magical PhoneOS. This is why my local iFan is eyeballing an upgrade to a Galaxy S3.
> What the fuck do you think Office is?
Tired old legacy software. That's what it is.
People buy tablets to get away from legacy cruft like that and purveyors of it such as yourself.
Re: The hipster's of tech, never mind your data backups...
Regardless. You never trust just one piece of backup media.
That's why media that's cheap enough to be disposable has an advantage. You make 5 or 10 copies and mitigate the potential for a media failure. This is the problem of expecting n00bs to fend for themselves like "geeks". Not only are they not familiar with the "tech" they also aren't familiar with the policies, management, and best practices associated with the "tech".
Re: The hipster's of tech, never mind your data backups...
> Surely the responsibility for the customer's personal data storage and backup rests with the customer?
These aren't "geeks".
Throwing n00bs in the deep end of the pool and making them fend for themselves? That's like Gentoo territory.
Once again: Apple is the computing equivalent of BMW until they do something that is obviously un-BMW like then suddenly they're a Hyundai again.
Re: @Mr C Hill - What does author mean by 'upcoming' MBP not having optical drives...
Sounds a bit Pythonesque.
Of course the problem with USB DVD drives is that they take more power and require a second USB port and if your hardware doesn't put 2 USB ports together then you are kind of boned. You end up needing an extension cord just to power up your DVD drive.
The setup quickly becomes more bothersome and less portable.
People were pining for a replacement to floppy drives for a good long while while any number of non-standardized wannabe's try to displace them. They all turned out to be worse than "obsolete tech" in some way or another, sometimes horribly so.
Older tech will disappear when people no longer find them useful and they are replaced by something else. This happens on it's own and has nothing to do with Apple's attempts to force the issue.
Re: Just use an external one.
eSATA? It's the same connection on the motherboard.
Just an anti-green pile on in here...
I am rather disappointed with you lot that you are so eager to gloss over the obvious likely risks of taking a chemical cocktail and pumping it into the ground under high pressure. Anyone with half a brain and the ability to think critically should be giving fracking a great deal of scrutiny.
You seem willing to over look the obvious just because you don't like the messenger.
If the Greens declared the sky was blue, would you deny that too?
Re: A horrible experience
Nonsense. Windows would fare well simply because people are used to it. Gnome would also fare well because it is close enough. MacOS would cause some frustration to people too used to Windows/Gnome.
In general most people aren't going to be doing much to stress any desktop. So most of the differences won't really matter.
Younger users won't even be aware that the three represent distinct products. They will view our platform partisanship as something quaint and old fashioned.
Re: Durham Uni
Even on Solaris, Gnome replaced CDE a long time ago.
CDE is more like "partying like it's 1989".
By 1999, the two main efforts to replace and forget CDE were already under way.
Re: There is NO BACKUP in the CLOUD, ONLY VAPOR
Sure. That's why enterprise grade backup procedures call for multiple backups and multiple copies and rotation of backups to offsite locations. This has been standard practice since long before the current crop of buzzwords.
Low level replication of storage between multiple data centers is also pretty mundane.
Any company that has a good enough network pipe to make backing up directly to "the cloud" even feasable likely already has such accomodations in place already.
In other words: IBM can make a great server.
Just don't ask them to create a user interface for you. What you end up with scare you more than the enemy.
> So basically what you saying is that Apple should spend millions on R'n'D designing a phone and everyone else should just be allowed to wait, copy the **** out of it and as long as they put their own companies logo on the sides that's ok?
That's the way a free market works if you don't actually invent something worth creating a 20 year long patent on.
Apple makes mad money. No one should feel special sympathy for them. Your argument is stupid because clearly Apple has made back their investment several times over. They still have a first mover advantage that will likely yield them more mad money regardless of whether or not they get to treat the phone market like they own it.
As a computing device they are likely taking good advantage of what the rest of the industry has done over the last 30 years. That includes the spiffy multi-touch stuff too.
Re: I accidentially bought an S2 instead of an 4S as they looked so a like.
Then it should be fun getting my stuff onto and off of an iPhone then.
With an Android I can just plug it in and use it like a hard drive or run sshDroid and do the same thing but wirelessly.
Only ever treating your smartphone like a feature phone does not count here.
Re: Fundroid commentards are funny
> That's the joke of all this, the Samsung fandroids would be typing away on their Android blackberry clones if Apple hadn't showed how to do smartphones properly.
Yet, the knackered SMS app on my iPhone 3GS had me pining for an old Nokia flip phone.
It gets even better.
> Is it legal to pay witnesses in the USA?
In the US there's really no way to get around it. You want someone to speak on your behalf, you have to pay them for the opportunity cost involved. This can get quite painful sometimes and may make some types of litigation infeasible for all but the largest "mills".
$1000 an hour for an expert in a US trial is pretty standard.
Re: This is where it gets ridiculous...
The only thing 'revolutionary" about Apple's current crop of devices is that they fit in your pocket.
They are all highly derivative based on the work of others in the industry and necessary improvements in technology. These things are impressive to laymen because they don't have any background in tech.
It's just like Tivo.
Things look a lot less "original" in both tech and art if you don't have any background in the subject.
Re: This is where it gets ridiculous...
Nonsense. Apple has made big piles of cash from their product. To try to claim otherwise would be to put it mildly DISHONEST.
Apple doesn't need to own the industry in order to get a good return on it's investment.
Re: You miss the point of this forum
I dumped Tivo for the same reason I criticize Apple today.
Some patents are just wrong. They are destructive and anti-social.
Despite all of the fanboy blathering, Apple likes to drop the ball. It's that someone is around to pick up the slack for them. The courts should not be a crutch for Apple to avoid rivals.
Apple should not get to force me to use their crap. It's just as evil when Apple does it (versus Microsoft).
I liked Apple much better when it was on perpetual deathwatch.
Re: Shameful Trolling
> I guess it depends on how you read whether you have "Must hate Apple" glasses
This kind of mindless pointless over-hyping by the media is where that "must hate Apple" attitude comes from.
This situation had exactly SQUAT to do with Apple but some fanboy had to associate them with a project they really had nothing to do with.
...once you get past the blithering fanboy headline.
I am certainly not going to encourage the next generation to get into IT. It's a thankless job that you're better off avoiding unless you've got a yen for it. With offshore outsourcing, people should be surprised that anyone is still going into IT. Never mind the gender balance.
Re: I must of missed
In Pakistan, being an engineer is well respected and on par with being a Doctor.
It's nothing like that in the US.
The US has a quite anti-intellectual culture and we have the elevation of athletes and things like "Revenge of the Nerds". It's little wonder that only dedicated geeks enter ANY sort of engineering or tech field. It doesn't help that most Engineering programs don't try to retain people but try to actively discourage them.
A 6th generation female engineer from the eastern bloc might be successfully put off by the entry level CIS course.
Certs are nonsense. They are time consuming and don't really mean much. They do allow you to get familiar with industry jargon but that's about it. If you are interested in a particular feature then you need to ask about a particular feature. Oracle version numbers are less than meaningless. Having been exposed to the latest version doesn't mean squat if your experience is shallow or if it is lacking whatever new shiny shiny that you happen to have a fixation on.
Even beyond tall of that, the quality of the professional in question is the most important thing of all.
This is something that corporations have lost sight of.
A professional doesn't need to be custom crafted like some unskilled laborer.
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